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 PlayStation 4™ Community Official Thread | V15, PlayStation 4™ Pro AVAILABLE NOW

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post Jan 5 2017, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(NixiN-7hieN @ Jan 5 2017, 02:04 PM)
From what I understand, it depends on how good that 4K HDR TV is at upscaling the output from the old PS4. There is some HDR on the old PS4 but it's not the same HDR that is on the PS4 Pro. So it depends on what TV you are using that can answer this question, without knowing the TV, you cannot tell if it will support the HDR function that the older PS4 has. It might upscale the output, but everything else depends.
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thx for your input bro. does hdr feature work on the game that does not have hdr supported.

QUOTE(starz92 @ Jan 5 2017, 02:04 PM)
what do you meant by work well?
so far, I've only played FFXV with the HDR function and works fine.
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bro since you are using 4k hdr tv, can you shere your exp of using the new tv compare to the previous one?
does the tv upscale the game to 4k quite well? and does the hdr give any impact to the old game that does not have hdr support
owh ya if you dont mind can you share the tv model that you are using now?
thinking to upgrade but worried about the values im getting from the tv not worth the money spend
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QUOTE(antwar @ Jan 5 2017, 02:48 PM)
thx for your input bro. does hdr feature work on the game that does not have hdr supported.
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Games that have not been patched with HDR support won't have HDR support if you use it on a HDR TV.

Here's a short list of games confirmed to have HDR or are coming soon.

Locoroco
NBA 2K17
Parappa The Rapper
Patapon
The Elder Scrolls Online
The Last of Us Remastered
The Witness
Final Fantasy XV
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Fifa 17
Hustle Kings
infamous: First Light
infamous: Second Son
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
Mantis Burn Racing
Ratchet and Clank
World of Tanks
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post Jan 5 2017, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(antwar @ Jan 5 2017, 02:48 PM)
thx for your input bro. does hdr feature work on the game that does not have hdr supported.
bro since you are using 4k hdr tv, can you shere your exp of using the new tv compare to the previous one?
does the tv upscale the game to 4k quite well? and does the hdr give any impact to the old game that does not have hdr support
owh ya if you dont mind can you share the tv model that you are using now?
thinking to upgrade but worried about the values im getting from the tv  not worth the money spend
Thx smile.gif
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I don't have a pro yet. I am using old ps4 with a hdr compatible TV so I can't answer you on the upscale to 4k part. My old tv is a Sony 1080p TV while my new TV is Samsung 4k tv, the HDR effect does make the game looks better (i.e brighter color) . Overall display does look better in my Samsung TV compared to my old Sony TV even without HDR support on the game. As for the model, I am using KS7000
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Meh HDR is old news. I'd rather the Pro get Dolby Vision and meta HDR10 support.
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post Jan 5 2017, 05:19 PM

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Have anyone tried to plug their ps4 onto laptop as screen?
Any monitor can be recommended by any such out here to enjoy playing ps4 as I am staying in renting house.. would not want to buy a large TV
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QUOTE(hctang @ Jan 5 2017, 05:19 PM)
Have anyone tried to plug their ps4 onto laptop as screen?
laptop hdmi port only for output
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post Jan 5 2017, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(hctang @ Jan 5 2017, 05:19 PM)
Have anyone tried to plug their ps4 onto laptop as screen?
Any monitor can be recommended by any such out here to enjoy playing ps4 as I am staying in renting house.. would not want to buy a large TV
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What you could try is to use the "Remote Play" function, it's not the best way of playing... sometimes got lag. But if you have a good enough router and put the laptop and system near each other will feel seamless enough unless you play fighting games.
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post Jan 5 2017, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(hctang @ Jan 4 2017, 04:51 PM)
Hello.. wanna ask is it worth to get ps4 slim instead of ps4 pro? Am surveying but couldn't decide which to buy
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one big reason why ps4 stock is so hard to find

(except low number of unit produce in 1st batch)

ps4 pro vs ps4 slim is no brainer.

2xGPU power @ only rm300 more. (1tb vs 1tb)

pointless to have pro even u DO NOT HAVE 4K TV

see the last guardian tragedy

only playable on 1080p + ps4 pro.
other setting got constant fps drop
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QUOTE(NixiN-7hieN @ Jan 5 2017, 11:38 AM)
I'm ok with paying for the Pro as well and it's noticeable to me how fps will affect gameplay. But I think my fears was realized just a week or two before the launch (and after deposit), that games that are not patched will play the same as before when Mark Cerny told reporters that the system will turn off half of the system if the games were not patched to take advantage of the extra hardware. So it was not like a PC with more GPU or CPU where more specs meant better performance, it still required developers to patch games to use them.

So having a PS4 earlier, I had hoped games like Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 and The Witcher 3 would run better with better specs but because of how the system works. They will never be patched and they will play the same on the old PS4s. And because Pro support is optional and not mandatory, many developers choose not to support games that have already been released except for a few of the bigger companies because they have the manpower like Square Enix. Even then like how I mentioned above, their improvements are not always clear. One could just be higher resolution UI like Overwatch and nothing else was improved or it could be wide sweeping options like Rise of the Tomb Raider where you get to choose from higher resolution, higher fps or mix of both. But coming from PC background, I wished that Sony mandated every developer to give options like these instead of weird crap like The Last Guardian needing to set your PS4 resolution to 1080P to get the best frame rate.

Now I'm not saying that these issues won't be improved as developers get feedback and adjust. But for now, unless you had a 4K TV that works with the PS4 Pro, with 10bit HDR support AND had a GAME MODE that reduces latency, to get the "best" performance is just a hassle and I find it super disappointing that 1080p has more or less similar experience to before unless developers choose to update the game and you don't have a choice to choose the "improvements" that you want.

Again, like I mentioned before. I was burnt many times. And maybe if I had it in my hands I wouldn't make as much noise. But having the free time, since I can't game. Going though all the games that have gotten updates late last year felt minimal or some do it downright atrociously (see: The Last of Us Remastered and Battlefield 1) where the developers can't decide on giving better graphics at the cost of frame rate or frame rate with slightly better graphics due to Sony's dumb arbitrary PS4 Pro improvements list.
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ps4 pro best scenario is play under 1080p hdr.

4k, 1080p difference can be diminish with distance of view.

frame rate, extra effect, aa, loading speed.

but as a tech staff, i dont find any trouble setting up my pro with any tv
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jan 5 2017, 07:01 PM)
ps4 pro best scenario is play under 1080p hdr.

4k, 1080p difference can be diminish with distance of view.

frame rate, extra effect, aa, loading speed.

but as a tech staff, i dont find any trouble setting up my pro with any tv
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While I don't disagree with anything you said here. But I can't assume that everyone knows enough to make an informed purchase and setup. I do game capture and video editing part time so I deal with HDMI cables and settings everyday. But to someone else who is going to buy one without research buys a UHD TV from a few years ago might not know using 4:4:4 color scheme will cause lag and should use YUV instead. It's just a messy jargon-filled world of TV/monitors that all the advertisement tell you to get a PS4 Pro and you are playing in 4K. But is it native 4K? Upscaled 4K? All PS4s have HDR but HDR on the OG PS4 and Pro uses different standards and different HDMI cables. 1.4a vs 2.0 for 4K + HDR, etc. Just messy and not clearly communicated. Just buy the most expensive item.
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post Jan 5 2017, 08:17 PM

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Bought the PRO to improve my VR experience. It did improve a lot! Less jaggies, shadowing and aliasing have improved on mostly all titles. As compared to my old PS4, played on my 4k TV and it seems that the OG PS4 graphics is washed up. Maybe because the system can't run on the TV's native resolution. PRO is better in game. Didn't get to game on older titles but the newer ones and the upcoming games will capitalize on the PROs hardware which could mean better graphics and framerates. Happy so far biggrin.gif
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post Jan 5 2017, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(NixiN-7hieN @ Jan 5 2017, 05:33 PM)
What you could try is to use the "Remote Play" function, it's not the best way of playing... sometimes got lag. But if you have a good enough router and put the laptop and system near each other will feel seamless enough unless you play fighting games.
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Is there any decent monitor I can buy for gaming? Am looking for 24 inch one
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post Jan 5 2017, 10:07 PM

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Variable refresh rates becoming a standard with the implementation of HDMI 2.1 is several folds more important than all the kerfuckle over HDR. Those of you who has gsync or freesync monitors will understand why variable refresh rates is the most important thing to happen to games since HD resolutions.

While HDMI 2.1 can be firmware upgraded onto existing HDMI 2.0 ports, whether that's possible or not is down to the implantation of the HDMI spec on various hardware. I have not look at the design schematics for the PS4 pro, but it seems very likely that HDMI 2.1 can be patched into the system.

For TVs though, many TVs from 2015 and 2016 will be shit out of luck however. Yes, your displays are already outdated and is in no way future proof. Same goes for the home theater receiver owners. sweat.gif
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i missed a couple of games from previous holiday sale. anyone know will there be any cny sale later on ps store?
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QUOTE(figure8 @ Jan 6 2017, 12:37 PM)
i missed a couple of games from previous holiday sale. anyone know will there be any cny sale later on ps store?
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Will there be a sale? If you're using US store? Nope. If you're on the Asia store, most likely. Will it have the game you want? Depends on the game you want, some games go on sale more often than others. I think every month there's a Telltale game on sale. Every quarter Square Enix or Bethesda will have sale. If it's an Activision game then you are S.O.L.
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QUOTE(NixiN-7hieN @ Jan 6 2017, 12:50 PM)
Will there be a sale? If you're using US store? Nope. If you're on the Asia store, most likely. Will it have the game you want?  Depends on the game you want, some games go on sale more often than others. I think every month there's a Telltale game on sale. Every quarter Square Enix or Bethesda will have sale. If it's an Activision game then you are S.O.L.
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yea, im using psn asia. im selling all my physical games and collecting digital instead. im waiting for ff xv sale. 10/20% less is ok i guess.

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QUOTE(NixiN-7hieN @ Jan 5 2017, 11:38 AM)
I'm ok with paying for the Pro as well and it's noticeable to me how fps will affect gameplay. But I think my fears was realized just a week or two before the launch (and after deposit), that games that are not patched will play the same as before when Mark Cerny told reporters that the system will turn off half of the system if the games were not patched to take advantage of the extra hardware. So it was not like a PC with more GPU or CPU where more specs meant better performance, it still required developers to patch games to use them.

So having a PS4 earlier, I had hoped games like Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 and The Witcher 3 would run better with better specs but because of how the system works. They will never be patched and they will play the same on the old PS4s. And because Pro support is optional and not mandatory, many developers choose not to support games that have already been released except for a few of the bigger companies because they have the manpower like Square Enix. Even then like how I mentioned above, their improvements are not always clear. One could just be higher resolution UI like Overwatch and nothing else was improved or it could be wide sweeping options like Rise of the Tomb Raider where you get to choose from higher resolution, higher fps or mix of both. But coming from PC background, I wished that Sony mandated every developer to give options like these instead of weird crap like The Last Guardian needing to set your PS4 resolution to 1080P to get the best frame rate.

Now I'm not saying that these issues won't be improved as developers get feedback and adjust. But for now, unless you had a 4K TV that works with the PS4 Pro, with 10bit HDR support AND had a GAME MODE that reduces latency, to get the "best" performance is just a hassle and I find it super disappointing that 1080p has more or less similar experience to before unless developers choose to update the game and you don't have a choice to choose the "improvements" that you want.

Again, like I mentioned before. I was burnt many times. And maybe if I had it in my hands I wouldn't make as much noise. But having the free time, since I can't game. Going though all the games that have gotten updates late last year felt minimal or some do it downright atrociously (see: The Last of Us Remastered and Battlefield 1) where the developers can't decide on giving better graphics at the cost of frame rate or frame rate with slightly better graphics due to Sony's dumb arbitrary PS4 Pro improvements list.
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So in summary, it's better to get PS4 slim?

i thought if buy PS4 Pro with all the improved specs will definitely improve ALL PS4 games old and new in terms of FPS and stuff?
i've been waiting for almost 3 years now to get my hands on a PS4. I want to get the best from my purchase obviously.

Right now i'm still playing my 5 year old PS3 slim(9 years if counting from my old YLOD PS3 phat) PS3. Almost all PS3 games i have played, well almost all. Now i just spend infinite times playing battlefield 3 online while waiting for the right moment to get a PS4.

Looks like i will need to spend another gazillion hours into BF3 again until Sony made it right with the PS4 pro. whistling.gif laugh.gif


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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jan 6 2017, 02:56 PM)
So in summary, it's better to get PS4 slim?

i thought if buy PS4 Pro with all the improved specs will definitely improve ALL PS4 games old and new in terms of FPS and stuff?
i've been waiting for almost 3 years now to get my hands on a PS4. I want to get the best from my purchase obviously.

Right now i'm still playing my 5 year old PS3 slim(9 years if counting from my old YLOD PS3 phat) PS3. Almost all PS3 games i have played, well almost all. Now i just spend infinite times playing battlefield 3 online while waiting for the right moment to get a PS4.

Looks like i will need to spend another gazillion hours into BF3 again until Sony made it right with the PS4 pro.  whistling.gif  laugh.gif
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No one from Sony ever said that the PS4 pro will improve ALL games old and new. Their requirement is that games from 2017 on wards must have some sort of Pro support. Games before that is up to the devs discretion to get Pro patches or not.
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jan 6 2017, 02:56 PM)
So in summary, it's better to get PS4 slim?

i thought if buy PS4 Pro with all the improved specs will definitely improve ALL PS4 games old and new in terms of FPS and stuff?
i've been waiting for almost 3 years now to get my hands on a PS4. I want to get the best from my purchase obviously.

Right now i'm still playing my 5 year old PS3 slim(9 years if counting from my old YLOD PS3 phat) PS3. Almost all PS3 games i have played, well almost all. Now i just spend infinite times playing battlefield 3 online while waiting for the right moment to get a PS4.

Looks like i will need to spend another gazillion hours into BF3 again until Sony made it right with the PS4 pro.  whistling.gif  laugh.gif
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I think that's the misconception a lot of people had about the Pro. Even I did until near the launch when Mark Cerny outlined in an interview how the Pro would turn off half of it's processing and GPU to be compatible with games that have not been patched to support the Pro. I feel that a lot of us looked at the Xbox One S with it's minor upgrades and ran games slightly better and thought, the PS4 with double the hardware should be able to do much more then. Sadly the reality is that unless the games are patched to support the Pro, then you might, not will, see an improvement.

I will add though, that all games if you play on a 4K HDR TV. If the 4K upscaler is good on the TV, and with the PS4 Pro set to 4K mode (or 2160p whatever), you will get a 4K image. But that's like how you played 720p games on a PS3 gets upscaled to 1080p on a 1080p TV. You have the details of a 1080p game on a 4K screen. Some will tell you that that's an improvement, others will say they can see missing details.

For you, if you are interested in FPS games, then you are in luck with the Pro. Many of the fps games, Battlefield 1, Infinite Warfare, Modern Warfare Remastered and even Black Ops 3 got Pro patches. Do they work the best that they should? Many will argue that Battlefield 1 Pro improvements had it's up and down. But if you can afford a Pro, I wouldn't say don't get it. Just know what you are looking for and if it's worth your money.
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hey guys, any idea why its really hard to get a copy of r1 games?
or am i not looking hard enough? looking for a physical copy of R1 ffxv is difficult...

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