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wodenus
post Dec 9 2016, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 9 2016, 10:45 AM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4142101
just quoting from a post in kopitiam. will this affect any of you guys' sentiment in the long run? the thought of their trigger in january still spooks me about entering the dragon country.
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I don't see that it matters much. I also don't see any other country manufacturing most of the world's stuff. China port has stabilized around -1%. People should be aware that these things capture a moment in time. By the time you read this, it's already history smile.gif

BTW post-election euphoria in the US is over, US port dumped 2% smile.gif


This post has been edited by wodenus: Dec 9 2016, 10:57 AM
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post Dec 9 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 9 2016, 10:45 AM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4142101
just quoting from a post in kopitiam. will this affect any of you guys' sentiment in the long run? the thought of their trigger in january still spooks me about entering the dragon country.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 9 2016, 10:51 AM)
I don't see that it matters much. I also don't see any other country manufacturing most of the world's stuff. China port has stabilized around -1%. People should be aware that these things capture a moment in time. By the time you read this, it's already history smile.gif
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Remember the great short circuit of dragon back in early 2016? China went from a industrial monster to a lizard. Soon after June it roared back to life.

China is too big too fail. Malaysia on the other hand
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post Dec 9 2016, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 9 2016, 10:54 AM)
Remember the great short circuit of dragon back in early 2016? China went from a industrial monster to a lizard. Soon after June it roared back to life.

China is too big too fail. Malaysia on the other hand
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.. is dependent on foreign investors, who are mostly capitalists that don't like socialists and fundamentalists. China does though. Countries usually don't "fail", they just get cheap for many, many years until they get a good government and a leader with a clue smile.gif

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post Dec 9 2016, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 9 2016, 11:01 AM)
.. is dependent on foreign investors, who are mostly capitalists that don't like socialists and fundamentalists. China does though. Countries usually don't "fail", they just get cheap for many, many years until they get a good government and a leader with a clue smile.gif
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I can reject your statement by bringing Venezuela and Greece. Those failed spectacularly with bad governance and widespread corruption. that is what we are heading to if there is no check and balance.
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post Dec 9 2016, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 9 2016, 11:04 AM)
I can reject your statement by bringing Venezuela and Greece. Those failed spectacularly with bad governance and widespread corruption. that is what we are heading to if there is no check and balance.
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Yet again you are looking at a moment in time. Look up the funds that invest in these countries, you might be surprised smile.gif


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post Dec 9 2016, 11:20 AM

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i think no country is too big to fail or too small to succeed. just my on the fence thoughts.
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post Dec 9 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 9 2016, 11:16 AM)
They aren't doing very well at the current time.. but you are being very short term by thinking that. Remember Iceland? it failed so bad during 2008 people were saying it would go bankrupt. Now look at this chart :

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/iceland/stock-market

Doesn't it look like 1996 all over again? 10y bonds at 4.46-5.10, they are growing faster than many emerging economies  smile.gif
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No harm done I can come back later on while Bank rolling my money with other funds and countries.

There isn't any reason to keep on failing funds other than emotional attachment or patriotism. Since my sc has already been paid upfront I can just switch back EM to small cap after it recovers in a year or two or pump in more of my CMF inside kapchai.

when investing I always apply this teaching on everything I do.

“You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.”
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 9 2016, 11:20 AM)
i think no country is too big to fail or too small to succeed. just my on the fence thoughts.
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I don't think these guys would like to agree with you.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4012206/Pirates-preying-Venezuelan-fishermen-industry-unravels.html

www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/06/in-venezuela-women-selling-hair-to-make-ends-meet.html

Hence why I always make sure to prepare for the worst when shit happens.

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post Dec 9 2016, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 9 2016, 07:54 AM)
Haven't you read the case of people posted here that they tried to use the ninja switching and ended up losing more money ? You are pretty much deluded to use the words "switching for free".

The credit system should only be use "by-the-way", ie if one is indeed wanting to switching from small cap to eastspring bond, then go ahead and earn some credit. But to "purposely" exploit it, hmmm, the result isn't always predictable due to the moving Nav prices during the various transaction dates.

On the otherhand, have you tried to look at how you could use the 0% SC of eUT to perform switching ?

You can practically move out your entire portfolio to totally different portfolio in 3 or 4 days without incurring any SC, across different fund managers and across bond and equity.

For example, you can switch your entire investment in RHB AIF to Manulife India  or eastspring smallcap to ponzi 2.0, all in one move, 0 % SC !

Think about it, how about that ?
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yes, you're correct in saying we should not exploit the credit system , I dunno about it previously and didn't earn any credit points when selling off my epf equity funds, now i switch them to bond fund instead of selling, and when times are better, I switch back from bond to equity monthly (DCA), leceh also because need to send in physical switching form for EPF funds.

yes, u can use the eunittrust promo period to switch for free, but the thing is you dunno when will they have promo (which is like one year 2-3 times), they control the date of the promo not you, but for the credit system you can use it anytime you switch

you loose some days while switching but we're in it for the long haul right. I'm using both eunittrust and FSM, and usually I only buy during their promo period.
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post Dec 9 2016, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 9 2016, 11:21 AM)
No harm done I can come back later on while Bank rolling my money with other funds and countries.

There isn't any reason to keep on failing funds other than emotional attachment or patriotism. Since my sc has already been paid upfront I can just switch back EM to small cap after it recovers in a year or two or pump in more of my CMF inside kapchai.


You get free switching?

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post Dec 9 2016, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 9 2016, 11:24 AM)
I don't think these guys would like to agree with you.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4012206/Pirates-preying-Venezuelan-fishermen-industry-unravels.html

www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/06/in-venezuela-women-selling-hair-to-make-ends-meet.html

Hence why I always make sure to prepare for the worst when shit happens.
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ever since i watch an interview from fox news tv on chinese thoughts on elections, i kinda boycott them so not too sure if their news are credible. however, i get what you mean.
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post Dec 9 2016, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 9 2016, 09:58 AM)
If I switch from Eastspring smallcap > Eastspring emerging market, kena charge 2% some more?

Btw, if I want to buy those "sophisticated investment" by FSM do they really ask for RM3m proof (don't have RM3m) but interested in one of the fund.
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if you want to use your credit points, you need to switch from eastspring small cap > eastspring bond (earn point),

then switch from eastspring bond > emerging market (use point) . if you have enough points , you do not need to pay for the sales charge . --> wrong, intra switching is free , so can switch directly except for rhb (see below).

**correction intra fund house switching does not incur sales charge , only inter switching incur sales charges, which is where the ninja switching using credit point comes in.

if you switch direct eg, Eastspring smallcap > Eastspring emerging market , you'll be charge 2% or based on your tier discount, silver 1.75, gold 1.5 , platinum 1.25

for rhb funds you need to switch from rhb equity > rhb money market , rhb money market > other rhb equity funds , if you switch to other rhb funds other the rhb money market fund , you'll be charge rm25 switching fee

i think for rhb smart series, you can switch for free also, rhb smart treassure > rhb smart income (earn point) , rhb smart income > rhb smart treassure (earn point).

do note , each fund house has different minimum switching amount.


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post Dec 9 2016, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 9 2016, 11:28 AM)
You get free switching?
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not without a wrap account I don't. I just do intra fund house switch. most my funds are in fund managers who have a wide range of funds to switch from one geographical region to another which is one way to switch without paying a "penalty"

I think that's one thing good about having a diversified portfolio. you can move funds at ease to another once you understand where to place your funds to which fund houses
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 8 2016, 07:16 PM)
full list of funds "nickname".. biggrin.gif  laugh.gif  innocent.gif  thumbsup.gif  rclxs0.gif
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Thanks. Which funds have you invested in ?
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KUCHING: Investors are urged to be more cautious with their investment portfolios in light of a volatile ringgit and uncertain global environment.

With the ringgit plunging down 5.9 per cent last month to a record low of 4.3100 since January 1998, investors have been left skittish about their onshore investments and cash assets.

They worry that the current uncertain global environment will only further depreciate their assets, leaving them unsure about what steps to take next.

“From a financial and investment planning point of view, the first thing I would advise my clients would be to review the present unit trust portfolio they have and take profit on funds that they have invested in view of the heightened volatility,” said Lee Khee Chuan, director of Practice & Advisory Management, StandardFA for East Malaysia.

Lee, who is also a licensed financial adviser representative, said it was equally important for investors to devise a strategic investing plan to manage the downside of investing risks involved.

“Instead of lump sum investing, one would be wiser to look at averaging strategy to handle the downside risks such as dollar cost averaging and value averaging,” he advised the public.

Dollar cost averaging and value averaging, he added, are investing practices that seek to counter the natural inclination toward market timing by cancelling out some of the risk involved. Dollar cost averaging involves set intervals of small investments while value averaging makes investments that match calculated predetermined amounts for the total value of investment in future periods.

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/165389

a good read for those wanting to buy in Malaysian funds.
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post Dec 9 2016, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(repusez @ Dec 9 2016, 11:32 AM)
if you want to use your credit points, you need to switch from eastspring small cap > eastspring bond (earn point),

then switch from eastspring bond > emerging market (use point) . if you have enough points , you do not need to pay for the sales charge

if you switch direct eg, Eastspring smallcap > Eastspring emerging market , you'll be charge 2% or based on your tier discount, silver 1.75, gold 1.5 , platinum 1.25

for rhb funds you need to switch from rhb equity > rhb money market , rhb money market > other rhb equity funds , if you switch to other rhb funds other the rhb money market fund , you'll be charge rm25 switching fee

i think for rhb smart series, you can switch for free also, rhb smart treassure > rhb smart income (earn point) , rhb smart income > rhb smart treassure (earn point).

do note , each fund house has different minimum switching amount.
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Really? dasecret siad direct switching won't incur charges. rclxub.gif No credit points to play with. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 9 2016, 11:59 AM)
Really? dasecret siad direct switching won't incur charges.  rclxub.gif No credit points to play with. sad.gif
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some houses charge switching fee bro. stated in the faq sheets regardless if within same houses. correct me if I'm wrong. driving now so I can't double confirm my statement
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 9 2016, 11:50 AM)
KUCHING: Investors are urged to be more cautious with their investment portfolios in light of a volatile ringgit and uncertain global environment.

With the ringgit plunging down 5.9 per cent last month to a record low of 4.3100 since January 1998, investors have been left skittish about their onshore investments and cash assets.

They worry that the current uncertain global environment will only further depreciate their assets, leaving them unsure about what steps to take next.

“From a financial and investment planning point of view, the first thing I would advise my clients would be to review the present unit trust portfolio they have and take profit on funds that they have invested in view of the heightened volatility,” said Lee Khee Chuan, director of Practice & Advisory Management, StandardFA for East Malaysia.

Lee, who is also a licensed financial adviser representative, said it was equally important for investors to devise a strategic investing plan to manage the downside of investing risks involved.

“Instead of lump sum investing, one would be wiser to look at averaging strategy to handle the downside risks such as dollar cost averaging and value averaging,” he advised the public.

Dollar cost averaging and value averaging, he added, are investing practices that seek to counter the natural inclination toward market timing by cancelling out some of the risk involved. Dollar cost averaging involves set intervals of small investments while value averaging makes investments that match calculated predetermined amounts for the total value of investment in future periods.

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/165389

a good read for those wanting to buy in Malaysian funds.
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From what I read, it is still not saying it's all doom and gloom for Malaysia and it's only short term volatility. Will be entering when everyone is selling since I am planning to hold it for longer term.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 9 2016, 11:59 AM)
Really? dasecret siad direct switching won't incur charges.  rclxub.gif No credit points to play with. sad.gif
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Your question is intra fundhouse la, EI equity fund to another EI equity fund

If you want to switch from kapchai to ponzi 2.0 without incurring additional sales charge, have to use credit ninja lor
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 9 2016, 12:13 PM)
Your question is intra fundhouse la, EI equity fund to another EI equity fund

If you want to switch from kapchai to ponzi 2.0 without incurring additional sales charge, have to use credit ninja lor
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Yup that's what I want. Eastspring to another eastspring.

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