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post Dec 2 2016, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 2 2016, 12:33 PM)
woah bro. take it easy. i feel you might need to take a few steps back and look at the picture first before rushing into everything. past 24 to 48 hours i see you rushing into funds and transferring them quite fast.

hope you know what you are doing and not spurred on by 'winds of change'
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Technically lump sum beats DCA long term. But you should be willing to hold for a long time.. also you have to consume a lot of carbs (comfort food for the huge drawdowns that you have with lump sum smile.gif )

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post Dec 2 2016, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 2 2016, 11:54 AM)
Guys, Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund can be purchased again.
dasecret here's your chance to buy without 3% service charge.
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Select Income is also back on offer. They didn't beat FD this year.
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post Dec 2 2016, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 2 2016, 06:15 PM)
OIC
thanks

wa-lao leh....way to long to get back the money.....
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That is a lot of units smile.gif but it's normal, stock market takes around that time too.
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post Dec 2 2016, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 2 2016, 02:10 PM)
Somebody already shared that yesterday. 1 % SC.

If you invest >5k, you could get 0% SC from eUT.  innocent.gif
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EUT's platform kind of sucks though.
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post Dec 2 2016, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 2 2016, 06:35 PM)
If u look at average 5 yrs n 10 yrs, it delivered decent return of 7+%
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Risk-adjusted quite good I guess.
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post Dec 2 2016, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 2 2016, 09:11 PM)
I dont care about that.
Analyze at FSM buy at eUT
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Troublesome..they dont absorb FPX charges, DCA will cost a lot.
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post Dec 3 2016, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 2 2016, 12:15 PM)
As u all know there's staff from FSM monitoring this thread..
So what can u do is post multiple times for a certain duration..
Somehow the info will reach them..
Or u could direct email them..
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You don't need a branch, you can open an account online, fund it online. Less branches means less cost means lower commissions smile.gif
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post Dec 3 2016, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 1 2016, 09:48 PM)
This makes all that I have said a week back right. stay away from US and Europe and concentrate on Asia ex Japan and EM. If you have time to underweight it and take your profits December January is the time. Trump just elected Wall street as finance advisors eventho he promised that he will kill Wall Street which is already a promise he broken.

adopt an aggressive approach with

40% in Asia ex Japan
-10% to 15% in fixed income fund (short term 1yr to 2 yrs)
20% in emerging markets
10% in India
10% in REIT
10% in Global
10% in China

Now who made a big hoo ha that reading news and micromanaging your portfolio is pointless?
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That is not micromanaging.. micromanaging is holding funds back trying to aim for a good price (ie. trying to time every fund entrance and exit.) Waste of time and money since you don't even know today's price and commissions are quite high.
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post Dec 3 2016, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Dec 3 2016, 06:20 PM)
exam done.. got this strong feeling i have to repeat my CFA exam LOLOLOL

USD expensive tho sobsob (CFA fees have to pay in USD)
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Maybe you can hedge that by investing in a US-focused equity fund smile.gif after all it is denominated in USD, if the exchange rate goes up, you will spend more for tuition, but the value of your holdings will increase smile.gif
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post Dec 4 2016, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 3 2016, 06:43 PM)
So your prediction is usd will continue to go up against other asian currencies particularly ringgit ?
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No, that's not how a hedge works.
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post Dec 4 2016, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Dec 3 2016, 06:34 PM)
Haha, even if dollar stays constant at this level, it's still expensive..  tongue.gif
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It's expensive at any reasonable level smile.gif but at least you can prevent it from getting any more expensive than it is smile.gif
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post Dec 5 2016, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 5 2016, 05:46 PM)
Again you made the right move !  I should have jumped in too.
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It's not too late, this isn't the share market smile.gif
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post Dec 5 2016, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 5 2016, 06:06 PM)
btw I am perplexed as to how most counters and indexes around the globe are red today mostly with Asian markets. what changed?
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Who knows.. whatever it is, it won't matter much in ten or twenty years smile.gif

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post Dec 5 2016, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 5 2016, 06:12 PM)
Yeap you got that right but I'm just curious how global economy works when one branch can affect the other branch. Makes up for a good conversation starter with patients.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Yea well, I'm not a doctor lol. Stuff happens, but in the very long term it pretty much goes up. As for the how and why, so many things happen in so many ways in so many days, who's to know how and why. So many counters in the fund smile.gif
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post Dec 5 2016, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 5 2016, 06:18 PM)
If everything we look at it this way, then there is no need for us to build a portfolio. Just buy and forget. LOL.
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Exactly.. think about it, look at the chart. Even if you bought just one fund.. smile.gif you'd have to be really unlucky not to make money after ten years smile.gif pick the usual suspects and run with them through good and bad.. there's no real need for a portfolio actually smile.gif
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post Dec 5 2016, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 5 2016, 06:22 PM)
Yeah but it helps to be knowledgeable in what goes around your and how it affects you right life even though you are half the world away. Just found out the Italian referendum did spook Asian markets which is bizarre.

Also it helps me have topics to talk to my aging father who is practically alone most of the time when I bring him out for dinner every night so I tell him what goes on around the world when I am in my office reading or researching.

So it doesn't hurt to know more even though it doesn't help knowing in 20 years down the road.
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It doesn't help profitability is what I mean.. usually analysts look for possible reasons after the fact, so it becomes like a sic hoc kind of thing smile.gif I could say for instance that Trump's promise to bring all production back to the US has spooked Asian markets, because they will lose a lot of profit if that happens smile.gif

I think that's more plausible than the Italian referendum, but it doesn't matter what I think, or anyone thinks, what we think or say won't affect global markets smile.gif
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post Dec 5 2016, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 5 2016, 06:32 PM)
That's why we small fish have no power in this life of ours but I rather be a slightly bigger fish than the rest so when shit happens. I'm well prepared for it. Also through all this reading I roughly can gauge the next move or event and it does help me make decisions on how much to top up and next year I'll wade my feet into stocks which is my ultimate goal once I leave my portfolio alone after I complete building it.
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Well good luck to you then, I think news just gives us an illusion of control. I tried stocks but that didn't give me the breadth and depth of investments I needed.. plus it's hell dealing with multiple brokers and brokerages. Also you can't effectively mitigate many risks when you trade alone smile.gif

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post Dec 5 2016, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 5 2016, 06:41 PM)
I wish it is so simple.

Let me just show you this chart, even if you buy and forget, the end result is very different for different funds.

And i am not talking about small difference. I am talking about huge difference.

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If you have a choice you want to buy which fund ?

(Not promoting KGF here. Just to illustrate the point that simply buy and forget is not the best option. )
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So if you bought all three? you wouldn't have done too badly. Of course in hindsight you can say that, but then how would you know what would be good and bad? so you diversify as much as you can. Eventually good or bad, the results should be quite acceptable (unless you can forecast the future smile.gif )

It's obviously not the best, but do you know what the best will be ten or twenty years from now? if not your only option is to diversify and try to do pretty good with whatever info you have.

Let's look at the chart again. It seems like your worst options made over 12% a year smile.gif that's not a bad result and pretty much proves my point smile.gif it's not "the best" but you see what I mean, randomly pick one fund and you end up making 12% a year smile.gif

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post Dec 5 2016, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 5 2016, 07:03 PM)
you got that right. I see investing like the belt system in tae Kwon do as you rank up the belt by learning each technique and the higher you go the more understanding you have on your capabilites and reflect what your strengths and weaknesses are.

I made a few mistakes in building my portfolio back in early 2016 and from there I know not to repeat them. Better I make this mistake here in UT and not in stocks.
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The only mistakes you can make in UT are not managing risk well, not holding for the long term, and selecting one of the few UTs that deal in speculative investments smile.gif

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post Dec 5 2016, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 5 2016, 07:14 PM)
number 2. that was my problem. back then I though UT was like shares or stocks. not gonna make that mistake again. once I'm done building it in March or April I'll wash my hands off of it and leave it till December 2017 and check it out again. from March I'll divert my attention to my ebroking cds account.
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Yea if you enjoy doing the stock thing.. it seemed like a lot of work to me smile.gif there's a lot of research to be conducted, and the liquidity is never as good as with funds smile.gif

No. 2 is a lot of people's problem including mine.

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