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The Red Giant Warrior
post Apr 19 2020, 05:42 AM

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Guys, IIRC, the 2015 and above Suprima model got some minor improvement? What was the improvement again?
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post Apr 19 2020, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(The Red Giant Warrior @ Apr 19 2020, 05:42 AM)
Guys, IIRC, the 2015 and above Suprima model got some minor improvement? What was the improvement again?
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Some Suprima S comes with the same 5 double spoke alloy wheels as on the 2018 Preve MC. However not sure if these batches also came with the same refinements as on Preve MC (3-point engine mounting, pillar fillings, etc)
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post Apr 19 2020, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(dylan_chng @ Apr 19 2020, 11:35 AM)
Some Suprima S comes with the same 5 double spoke alloy wheels as on the 2018 Preve MC. However not sure if these batches also came with the same refinements as on Preve MC (3-point engine mounting, pillar fillings, etc)
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I see. No wonder I saw Suprima with Preve's new rim. But I don't think they give refinement like Preve MC..If not there would be a Suprima MC already biggrin.gif
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post Apr 22 2020, 02:03 AM

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So I'm thinking of getting 2nd hand Suprima (2015 or above) to replace my Satria Neo after the MCO.

Been a fan of this car for quite a while already.

Advise please, which option is better once I bought the car

1. Send to Proton SC for major service + change whatever necessary
2. Send to outside workshop (Zordaq, G Car, other expert in Proton cars)
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post Apr 22 2020, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(The Red Giant Warrior @ Apr 22 2020, 02:03 AM)
So I'm thinking of getting 2nd hand Suprima (2015 or above) to replace my Satria Neo after the MCO.

Been a fan of this car for quite a while already.

Advise please, which option is better once I bought the car

1. Send to Proton SC for major service + change whatever necessary
2. Send to outside workshop (Zordaq, G Car, other expert in Proton cars)
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Send to 3rd party workshop better la...so long as they are expert in CFE engine....My brother get his Preve fix at Auto Marques at Taman Mayang area....apparently the outlet manager is Prevoc member
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post Apr 22 2020, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Apr 22 2020, 09:14 AM)
Send to 3rd party workshop better la...so long as they are expert in CFE engine....My brother get his Preve fix at Auto Marques at Taman Mayang area....apparently the outlet manager is Prevoc member
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Ok noted

So I have listed parts / things that need to be changed / serviced based from Owner's comments here.


1. Replace Oil Cooler Hose (OCH)
2. Replace engine and transmission mounting
3. Throttle body, turbo, intercooler service / cleaning
4. Install Oil Catch Tank
5. Replace CVT Damper
6. Software updates / remap (ECU, TCU, HU firmware)

Do I missed anything else?
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post Apr 22 2020, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(The Red Giant Warrior @ Apr 22 2020, 05:46 PM)
Ok noted

So I have listed parts / things that need to be changed / serviced based from Owner's comments here.
1. Replace Oil Cooler Hose (OCH)
2. Replace engine and transmission mounting
3. Throttle body, turbo, intercooler service / cleaning
4. Install Oil Catch Tank
5. Replace CVT Damper
6. Software updates / remap (ECU, TCU, HU firmware)

Do I missed anything else?
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1., 5., and 6. should be done at official/authorised service centres

The rest can be done elsewhere, preferably by people who have been dealing a lot with the specific task like servicing the turbo. Search facebook for people like Zainuddin Jasman, Tam turbo, etc in the cfe/cvt group.

For the oil catch tank, you've got a choice of buying one online for a much cheaper price and either installing it yourself (which is really easy to follow), or getting someone to install it for you (and buying if you don't want the hassle of sourcing for the part)

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And sorry, but if someone is running a business or are related to the person, there's no need to act like they don't know them. I find their labour cost to be over the higher side compared to other more popular shops, so unless distance is a problem, look for those people mentioned via facebook



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post Apr 22 2020, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Apr 22 2020, 08:53 PM)
1., 5., and 6. should be done at official/authorised service centres

The rest can be done elsewhere, preferably by people who have been dealing a lot with the specific task like servicing the turbo. Search facebook for people like Zainuddin Jasman, Tam turbo, etc in the cfe/cvt group.

For the oil catch tank, you've got a choice of buying one online for a much cheaper price and either installing it yourself (which is really easy to follow), or getting someone to install it for you (and buying if you don't want the hassle of sourcing for the part)

Side note:
And sorry, but if someone is running a business or are related to the person, there's no need to act like they don't know them. I find their labour cost to be over the higher side compared to other more popular shops, so unless distance is a problem, look for those people mentioned via facebook
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Thank you for your advise smile.gif

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post Apr 23 2020, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(The Red Giant Warrior @ Apr 22 2020, 05:46 PM)
Ok noted

So I have listed parts / things that need to be changed / serviced based from Owner's comments here.
1. Replace Oil Cooler Hose (OCH)
2. Replace engine and transmission mounting
3. Throttle body, turbo, intercooler service / cleaning
4. Install Oil Catch Tank
5. Replace CVT Damper
6. Software updates / remap (ECU, TCU, HU firmware)

Do I missed anything else?
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If I not mistaken, there is a recall for Item 5
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post Jun 23 2020, 08:33 PM

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Hi guys,
Anyone replaced their bulb with those h7 led bulb? Thinking of getting some from aliexpress.

Oh and if anyone had their gear stuck, and even the keyhole trick don't work. Try asking your favorite mechanic to bring along the obd thing that can reset error code.
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post Jun 24 2020, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(The Red Giant Warrior @ Apr 22 2020, 11:15 PM)
Thank you for your advise  smile.gif
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hey bro, did you proceed with your purchase? I'm handing down my new jazz hybrid over to my sis and now i'm in the midst of planning to get the suprima cause it's cheap. If you have gotten yours how much it cost you and what year?

PS:
I'm looking into improvements like:
1) iridium plugs
2) open pod
3) oil catch tank - most likely will install it by myself
4) racing seats

anyone else has any comments on improvement?
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post Jun 24 2020, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jun 24 2020, 01:27 PM)
hey bro, did you proceed with your purchase? I'm handing down my new jazz hybrid over to my sis and now i'm in the midst of planning to get the suprima cause it's cheap. If you have gotten yours how much it cost you and what year?

PS:
I'm looking into improvements like:
1) iridium plugs
2) open pod
3) oil catch tank - most likely will install it by myself
4) racing seats

anyone else has any comments on improvement?
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Original plugs are already Iridium, need to change every 50k to 60k km

Other things no comment except for the oct, which is a good choice. Do MBOxCFE and some other preventive maintenance after collecting the vehicle like engine oil and gearbox oil change at a reputable shop. Do note that the gearbox oil change is very critical and requires a shop that knows what needs to be done, otherwise it can cause premature failure instead. Perhaps you can consider doing both at EA Autoworks since they are the ones that do the remap
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post Jun 24 2020, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Jun 24 2020, 03:54 PM)
Original plugs are already Iridium, need to change every 50k to 60k km

Other things no comment except for the oct, which is a good choice. Do MBOxCFE and some other preventive maintenance after collecting the vehicle like engine oil and gearbox oil change at a reputable shop. Do note that the gearbox oil change is very critical and requires a shop that knows what needs to be done, otherwise it can cause premature failure instead. Perhaps you can consider doing both at EA Autoworks since they are the ones that do the remap
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Thanks bro! Yes those is a must do will most likely do a mojor service before adding any other stuff to the car..

The remap mentioned how much of a boost will it add?
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post Jun 24 2020, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jun 24 2020, 06:34 PM)
Thanks bro! Yes those is a must do will most likely do a mojor service before adding any other stuff to the car..

The remap mentioned how much of a boost will it add?
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I think up to 1.0 bar, or an increase from 138 BHP up to 150 BHP, 13x WHP, 205NM to a more linear 225NM, both depending on vehicle's health.

I'd set aside a budget of 2k to 3k to recondition the car. No offense, but many can't actually afford to maintain the car properly and therefore dispose it when they can't take it anymore or when it just gets to a really bad state. There are a few parts that would probably require a replacement soon:

1. Engine, Transmission and Cross member mounts - RM4xx to 5xx including labour, original protons
2. Front and Rear Dampers - RM5xx to 6xx including labour (They're usually good for 60k to 80k km for Proton). Maybe add the top mounts and bearing if needed
3. Rear Upper Arms/ "dog-bone" - check with shop about their condition and if there's a need to replace them. These two parts have a tendency to fail early. Expect it to reach over 7xx in total, or 5xx for the rear upper arms only including labour
4. Front lower arms -> Check with shop and get a quote
5. FEAD belt + tensioner -> 4xx including labour
6. Some others I can't think of right now. Perhaps check the last timing belt kit/waterpump change, fan motor's health, and the fan relays
7. Edit -> CVT Damper recall. Check with the service centre on whether it has been done or not

I guess you're probably gonna buy some aftermarket suspension parts at some point since you plan to put in some racing seats. Item 2 to 4 assumes that you're replacing with original Proton parts, which I would suggest doing at a reputable shop that does a lot of Protons (please refer to CFE/CVT group or Suprima owner's group).

There are a few in particular that are highly recommended when it comes to getting replacement proton original parts and labour like Zordaq Motorsport, Zainuddin Jasman (person) with shop, Tam Turbo Motorsports, Haruddin Hamid (person) with shop. I've only ever done some jobs at Zordaq Motorsport from the list and they're good as expected, just perhaps a bit disorganised. Feel free to buy the parts yourself and bring it to your trusted workshop if you have one


As for further improvements, I would suggest maybe getting some sound deadening done for reducing engine and road noise. I did mine at EA Autoworks and it makes driving the car a lot more comfortable, unless of course you're just into driving this car fast and for fun

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post Jun 24 2020, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Jun 24 2020, 07:20 PM)
I think up to 1.0 bar, or an increase from 138 BHP up to 150 BHP, 13x WHP, 205NM to a more linear 225NM, both depending on vehicle's health.

I'd set aside a budget of 2k to 3k to recondition the car. No offense, but many can't actually afford to maintain the car properly and therefore dispose it when they can't take it anymore or when it just gets to a really bad state. There are a few parts that would probably require a replacement soon:

1. Engine, Transmission and Cross member mounts - RM4xx to 5xx including labour, original protons
2. Front and Rear Dampers - RM5xx to 6xx including labour (They're usually good for 60k to 80k km for Proton). Maybe add the top mounts and bearing if needed
3. Rear Upper Arms/ "dog-bone" - check with shop about their condition and if there's a need to replace them. These two parts have a tendency to fail early. Expect it to reach over 7xx in total, or 5xx for the rear upper arms only including labour
4. Front lower arms -> Check with shop and get a quote
5. FEAD belt + tensioner -> 4xx including labour
6. Some others I can't think of right now. Perhaps check the last timing belt kit/waterpump change, fan motor's health, and the fan relays
7. Edit -> CVT Damper recall. Check with the service centre on whether it has been done or not

I guess you're probably gonna buy some aftermarket suspension parts at some point since you plan to put in some racing seats. Item 2 to 4 assumes that you're replacing with original Proton parts, which I would suggest doing at a reputable shop that does a lot of Protons (please refer to CFE/CVT group or Suprima owner's group).

There are a few in particular that are highly recommended when it comes to getting replacement proton original parts and labour like Zordaq Motorsport, Zainuddin Jasman (person) with shop, Tam Turbo Motorsports, Haruddin Hamid (person) with shop. I've only ever done some jobs at Zordaq Motorsport from the list and they're good as expected, just perhaps a bit disorganised. Feel free to buy the parts yourself and bring it to your trusted workshop if you have one
As for further improvements, I would suggest maybe getting some sound deadening done for reducing engine and road noise. I did mine at EA Autoworks and it makes driving the car a lot more comfortable, unless of course you're just into driving this car fast and for fun
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Thumbs.. regarding the cost it's not a concern for me. Already planning to buy the car cash anyway, too old to get a loan lol. Yeah most likely will bring back to proton and just tell them to change what's required, thanks for the part regarding cvt recall will definitely check with them.

Not thinking of changing suspension though but do want to change lighter rims and thicker rubber. advanti with some hankook rubbers, I just love it that way. Will definite sound proof the 4 doors but I'm not going to do anything major when it comes to sound proofing cause I know it's pretty much useless. those rattle noises from dashboard will just try to diy if any.

Yeah regarding the seats, at home already on gaming chair so for my car why not right.

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post Jun 27 2020, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jun 24 2020, 01:27 PM)
hey bro, did you proceed with your purchase? I'm handing down my new jazz hybrid over to my sis and now i'm in the midst of planning to get the suprima cause it's cheap. If you have gotten yours how much it cost you and what year?

PS:
I'm looking into improvements like:
1) iridium plugs
2) open pod
3) oil catch tank - most likely will install it by myself
4) racing seats

anyone else has any comments on improvement?
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Yes I finally decided to buy Suprima and will collect it this wednesday. I had test drive it before buying and I was impressed with the throttle response. It respond much better than my 2.0 Inspira

I bought a 2015 model @ RM33K (Car price alone is RM29K)

This post has been edited by The Red Giant Warrior: Jun 27 2020, 06:52 PM
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post Jun 28 2020, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(The Red Giant Warrior @ Jun 27 2020, 06:50 PM)
Yes I finally decided to buy Suprima and will collect it this wednesday. I had test drive it before buying and I was impressed with the throttle response. It respond much better than my 2.0 Inspira

I bought a 2015 model @ RM33K (Car price alone is RM29K)
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thanks! base on your study should we be getting > 2015? or could get the older gen as well? i not sure with suprima S having how many variant.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jun 28 2020, 10:06 AM)
thanks! base on your study should we be getting > 2015? or could get the older gen as well? i not sure with suprima S having how many variant.
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2013-2014 model use CFE on engine cover. 2015 and above, the engine cover use TURBO instead. Other than that, I think there are some minor improvement from 2015 model onward. Sifu2 Suprima please correct me if I'm wrong.

Other than Premium > Executive > Standard variants, I don't think Suprima actually came out with any facelift / refinement / upgrade model. There was a very minor upgrade on 2019 model where it got a new 17 rim design (like Preve refinement) and new logo, but thats it.

In my case, I always search for 2nd hand car with 5 years or less. And I prefers the TURBO cover over CFE tongue.gif
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Hi everyone, any recommendations for tyres?
Nak performance sikit and can tackle wet road.
Potenza RE003 boleh pakai?
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jul 8 2020, 02:43 PM)
Hi everyone, any recommendations for tyres?
Nak performance sikit and can tackle wet road.
Potenza RE003 boleh pakai?
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RE003 are decent tires on the dry.. wet is so so. you may be better off looking for an all rounder like ps4, yokohama fleva and etc. im on fleva and the traction on wet road is pretty impressive. However do note that the tires are not the quiet type and are directional. ps4 would be a better all rounder, but of course comes at a price:)

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