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 APPLE PAY IN MALAYSIA, Official arrives in Malaysia! Aug 2022!

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The1stHumanBeing
post Jul 31 2024, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(PoisonSoul @ Jul 31 2024, 10:13 AM)
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Anyone saw this in their TnG homepage app? Not sure what can I do as everything I press also leads me back to individual service apps.
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TNG is "accepting" payment of their services using Apple Pay, not that they are "supporting" Apple Pay with their Visa prepaid card. Hopefully the rumours with Hong Leong are true but we will see.
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if i receive a new card (due to renewal) do i have to remove the old one and add back the new one ?
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Aug 3 2024, 04:47 PM)
if i receive a new card (due to renewal) do i have to remove the old one and add back the new one ?
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post Aug 15 2024, 10:08 AM

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Anyone has any updates if any other banks will be jumping onboard Apple Pay? Silently, I am waiting for UOB....
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post Aug 15 2024, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Agent001 @ Aug 15 2024, 10:08 AM)
Anyone has any updates if any other banks will be jumping onboard Apple Pay?  Silently, I am waiting for UOB....
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I think at this point banks will just wait for Apple to open up the NFC chip for 3rd party developers, coming up in iOS 18.1. Then from here they'll incorporate it into their native apps instead, rather than via Apple Pay. However, to use this, they "need to enter into a commercial agreement with Apple, request the NFC and SE entitlement, and pay the associated fees"

Developers can soon offer in‑app NFC transactions using the Secure Element
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post Aug 15 2024, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(BetterCallSaul @ Aug 15 2024, 10:55 AM)
I think at this point banks will just wait for Apple to open up the NFC chip for 3rd party developers, coming up in iOS 18.1. Then from here they'll incorporate it into their native apps instead, rather than via Apple Pay. However, to use this, they "need to enter into a commercial agreement with Apple, request the NFC and SE entitlement, and pay the associated fees"

Developers can soon offer in‑app NFC transactions using the Secure Element
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this feature only opened to EU and north American due to antitrust laws. Apple was forced to open it.

unless Asian countries all impose same law to Apple, this greedy apple still want your money from your pocket.
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post Aug 15 2024, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 15 2024, 12:44 PM)
this feature only opened to EU and north American due to antitrust laws. Apple was forced to open it.

unless Asian countries all impose same law to Apple, this greedy apple still want your money from your pocket.
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Not really, Apple isn't taking money out of our pockets, their portion comes from the bank.

Data also reveals that Apple Pay strengthens card payment security and improves the payment process, which helps banks minimize fraud losses, bringing benefits to both banks and users.
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post Aug 16 2024, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(Steve78 @ Aug 15 2024, 07:23 PM)
Not really, Apple isn't taking money out of our pockets, their portion comes from the bank.

Data also reveals that Apple Pay strengthens card payment security and improves the payment process, which helps banks minimize fraud losses, bringing benefits to both banks and users.
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Bank will transfer cost to us! if cannot transfer by other means, they don’t allow their customer to use apple pay.

who you don't see many local bank got apple pay?
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post Aug 16 2024, 04:10 AM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 16 2024, 01:13 AM)
Bank will transfer cost to us! if cannot transfer by other means, they don’t allow their customer to use apple pay.

who you don't see many local bank got apple pay?
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Has anyone who uses Apple Pay ever paid more than someone who doesn't use Apple Pay?

You're contradicting yourself. You claimed that the bank transfers the cost to us, but if that were true, why wouldn't they just enable Apple Pay, knowing they could pass on the cost?

The reality is that they can't transfer the cost to customers, which is why some banks choose not to enable Apple Pay.

This post has been edited by Steve78: Aug 16 2024, 04:14 AM
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QUOTE(liberty0480 @ Aug 15 2022, 09:28 PM)
Further to what @KaiHD has mentioned, in Australia, merchants are LEGALLY ALLOWED to pass card payment-related charges (MDR, terminal rental etc) to consumers if they choose to (normally between 1.0%-2.0%).

Locally in Australia, there is a locally operated Card Network like MyDebit called "eftpos". Generally, there are 3 types of merchants that I have met:
1. Don't charge surcharge at all (typically larger companies who can stomach the fees).
2. Discriminate between Visa/MC and eftpos, with the latter not being charged a fee (like Aldi and some restaurants).
3. Charge surcharge when you use *whichever* card for payment.

Initially when Apple Pay launched in Australia many years back, only Visa/MC/AmEx is supported. eftpos was a relatively new addition to Apple Pay (Google: "Apple Pay Australia eftpos support").

Since the merchant can legally pass card charges to consumers so long that they indicate upfront, consumers can choose which payment method to use (Cash, eftpos or Visa/MC).

Hopefully one day MyDebit would be supported in Apple Pay; could be a very long shot. However the good news is that PayNet (operator of MyDebit) has gotten approval for Token Service Provider from the EMVCo.

*It surprised me that Aussies don't mind the 1-2% charge for convenience even if the merchant offer 0% charge for eftpos. All it takes is for the user to pick eftpos and reauthenticate with Face ID*

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we are working hard to meet the deadline next year. knowing apple abit "kerek", missing the deadline means we will be moved to the end of the queue.
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post Aug 16 2024, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Steve78 @ Aug 16 2024, 04:10 AM)
Has anyone who uses Apple Pay ever paid more than someone who doesn't use Apple Pay?

You're contradicting yourself. You claimed that the bank transfers the cost to us, but if that were true, why wouldn't they just enable Apple Pay, knowing they could pass on the cost?

The reality is that they can't transfer the cost to customers, which is why some banks choose not to enable Apple Pay.
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BNM doesn’t allow banks to transfer any transaction fee to consumer.

if bank couldn't find a way to transfer cost to consumer or merchant, or they cannot make profit by just enabling apple pay, they wont enable it.

That is the reason why many banks don't offer apple pay because it has additional cost.

Some banks willing to absorb the additional costs simply they want you to spend more with apple pay, if you don't make enough transaction, they charge you annual fee.

remember, business always seeking profit, no one want to give free things.

Taobao is a good example, if you use apple pay, transaction fee is higher than using normal credit card. Taobao is in China and not under BNM governance, hence they can transfer cost to consumer.


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post Aug 16 2024, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 16 2024, 08:16 PM)
BNM doesn’t allow banks to transfer any transaction fee to consumer.

if bank couldn't find a way to transfer cost to consumer or merchant, or they cannot make profit by just enabling apple pay, they wont enable it.

That is the reason why many banks don't offer apple pay because it has additional cost.

Some banks willing to absorb the additional costs simply they want you to spend more with apple pay, if you don't make enough transaction, they charge you annual fee.

remember, business always seeking profit, no one want to give free things.

Taobao is a good example, if you use apple pay, transaction fee is higher than using normal credit card. Taobao is in China and not under BNM governance, hence they can transfer cost to consumer.
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Are you aware of how conflicting your argument is?

First, you said Apple is taking money from us, I countered that claim.

Then you shouted, "Bank will transfer the cost to us!" But when I pointed out the contradiction, you suddenly switched to discussing why banks won’t enable Apple Pay.

Each of your points might looks ok on its own, but together they don’t form a coherent argument.
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QUOTE(Steve78 @ Aug 16 2024, 08:38 PM)
Are you aware of how conflicting your argument is?

First, you said Apple is taking money from us, I countered that claim.

Then you shouted, "Bank will transfer the cost to us!" But when I pointed out the contradiction, you suddenly switched to discussing why banks won’t enable Apple Pay.

Each of your points might looks ok on its own, but together they don’t form a coherent argument.
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I didn't make it clear enough, bank will transfer cost to us “indirectly”, consumer pay the apple tax at the end.
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Aug 16 2024, 11:07 AM)
we are working hard to meet the deadline next year. knowing apple abit "kerek", missing the deadline means we will be moved to the end of the queue.
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Can I ask who “we” is and what deadline are they trying to meet? Are you saying MyDebit will be supported on Apple Pay just like eftpos in Australia?
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post Aug 17 2024, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(BYJK @ Aug 17 2024, 01:33 AM)
Can I ask who “we” is and what deadline are they trying to meet? Are you saying MyDebit will be supported on Apple Pay just like eftpos in Australia?
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Aug 17 2024, 09:43 AM)
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Thanks for the reply. Person of few words I see hahaha. I’m gonna guess you work for PayNet, so your cryptic response is justified.
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post Aug 20 2024, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 16 2024, 09:51 PM)
I didn't make it clear enough, bank will transfer cost to us “indirectly”, consumer pay the apple tax at the end.
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You’re contradicting yourself with a series of inconsistent statements, one after another. You haven't addressed the questions that were raised but instead keep introducing new conflicting arguments, which lack consistent reasoning.

If you insist on calling this a "tax", despite there being no difference when someone pays with or without Apple Pay, then every mobile payment, card payment, e-wallet, and other non-cash transactions would also be subject to this "tax".

Do you think that payment solution providers are non-profit organizations? They all offer these solutions to generate profit ultimately.

This post has been edited by Steve78: Aug 20 2024, 07:32 PM
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post Aug 20 2024, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Steve78 @ Aug 20 2024, 07:30 PM)
You’re contradicting yourself with a series of inconsistent statements, one after another. You haven't addressed the questions that were raised but instead keep introducing new conflicting arguments, which lack consistent reasoning.

If you insist on calling this a "tax", despite there being no difference when someone pays with or without Apple Pay, then every mobile payment, card payment, e-wallet, and other non-cash transactions would also be subject to this "tax".

Do you think that payment solution providers are non-profit organizations? They all offer these solutions to generate profit ultimately.
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agree with no difference consumer pay with or without apple pay (except taobao)

but bank would give 0.15% cut of transaction fee to apple, since bank get less profit, they will find way to make it up, who is the target bank going to make money, you guess.

HSBC and SCB credit cards charge me hefty annual fee if I don't spend enough in a year.

I can see those banks don't offer apple pay because they cant make it up by charging consumer hefty annual fee or cover their lost from consumer.

at the end, the wool comes from the sheep, thats what i want to say.

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post Aug 20 2024, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Aug 20 2024, 08:54 PM)
agree with no difference consumer pay with or without apple pay (except taobao)

but bank would give 0.15% cut of transaction fee to apple, since bank get less profit, they will find way to make it up, who is the target bank going to make money, you guess.

HSBC and SCB credit cards charge me hefty annual fee if I don't spend enough in a year.

I can see those banks don't offer apple pay because they cant make it up by charging consumer hefty annual fee or cover their lost from consumer.

at the end, the wool comes from the sheep, thats what i want to say.
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Again, you shifted the discussion to why banks might not enable Apple Pay, which isn't directly related to the "Apple tax" or your assertion that "Banks will pass the cost to us!". All digital payment methods, whether it's Android Pay, Samsung Pay, TouchnGo, GrabPay or else, involve fees since none of these payment solution providers operate as non-profit entities, they all have a financial motive behind offering these services.

If we are talking about bank acceptance, nearly all banks and credit unions in the US, about 80% in the UK and Australia, and over half in most developed countries support Apple Pay. This shows that most banks are willing to give up a small cut to Apple in exchange for enhanced security and a better payment experience for their customers. In return, Apple Pay users use more of the bank's services, creating a win-win scenario.

Your HSBC and SCB credit cards impose fees regardless of whether you use Apple Pay, so it's amusing that you'd come to such a conclusion.
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post Aug 27 2024, 01:43 AM

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we are working hard to meet the deadline next year. knowing apple abit "kerek", missing the deadline means we will be moved to the end of the queue.
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Thanks for the hint rclxms.gif

Interesting to such vibrant representation of domestic card networks on Apple Pay with the likes of Interac (CA), mada (SA) and elo (BR) among others. The pace which such networks have popped up on Apple Pay is rather encouraging in recent years.

It is always great to have an option outside of the typical duopoly and hopefully the launch of MyDebit on Apple Pay will make our domestic network stronger!

This post has been edited by liberty0480: Aug 27 2024, 01:43 AM

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