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post Sep 26 2016, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 26 2016, 09:30 PM)
That's why I like to hear from sifus' experience to improve judgement on evaluating funds  notworthy.gif
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I was afraid you might ask biggrin.gif , but since you did, here are what I look at in no particular order:
- the FSM list of recommended funds
- look at the performance charts. FSM allows you to overlap up to seven funds on the same chart. Include the funds you are interested in and see what you see. Look for funds that under/over-perform in comparison.
- look at performance rankings for the different timeframes, and compare them
- look at the ratios
- google search "economic outlook" and do some reading. I'm not saying I know, or agree, what it all means, but if you don't, find another one that you do.
- give preference to funds where the manager has greater flexibility to adjust between equities/fixed-income ratios.

Sorry, there are a few more "ifs" involved, and I can't give you a spreadsheet where you can just do one click and out comes the answer.

What I can say is I don't believe in DCA-only approach because if you DCA into a shit-fund, the returns will be shit.
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 26 2016, 09:06 PM)
My indicators told me to top up KGF in early July'16, Ponzi 1.0 at early Feb'16 and Titan in late Feb'16 brows.gif
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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 26 2016, 09:59 PM)
I was afraid you might ask biggrin.gif , but since you did, here are what I look at in no particular order:
- the FSM list of recommended funds
- look at the performance charts. FSM allows you to overlap up to seven funds on the same chart. Include the funds you are interested in and see what you see. Look for funds that under/over-perform in comparison.
- look at performance rankings for the different timeframes, and compare them
- look at the ratios
- google search "economic outlook" and do some reading. I'm not saying I know, or agree, what it all means, but if you don't, find another one that you do.
- give preference to funds where the manager has greater flexibility to adjust between equities/fixed-income ratios.

Sorry, there are a few more "ifs" involved, and I can't give you a spreadsheet where you can just do one click and out comes the answer.

What I can say is I don't believe in DCA-only approach because if you DCA into a shit-fund, the returns will be shit.
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101% agree on the DCA thing...If you DCA at wrong timing, Ponzi 1 & 2 return might also taking long time to catch up.
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 26 2016, 09:59 PM)
I was afraid you might ask biggrin.gif , but since you did, here are what I look at in no particular order:
- the FSM list of recommended funds
- look at the performance charts. FSM allows you to overlap up to seven funds on the same chart. Include the funds you are interested in and see what you see. Look for funds that under/over-perform in comparison.
- look at performance rankings for the different timeframes, and compare them
- look at the ratios
- google search "economic outlook" and do some reading. I'm not saying I know, or agree, what it all means, but if you don't, find another one that you do.
- give preference to funds where the manager has greater flexibility to adjust between equities/fixed-income ratios.

Sorry, there are a few more "ifs" involved, and I can't give you a spreadsheet where you can just do one click and out comes the answer.

What I can say is I don't believe in DCA-only approach because if you DCA into a shit-fund, the returns will be shit.
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I do compare with peers for a given region/sector to see return performance, stability and diversification.

Some are quite obvious when they are similar but some require to read fact sheet to understand the underlying difference and always comes to personal portfolio diversification and personal taste. tongue.gif

News might be hard to follow as may be due to short term noise, but not sure how these events will affect in terms on long term investing, need to learn more about this insight smile.gif

QUOTE(wayne84 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:12 PM)
101% agree on the DCA thing...If you DCA at wrong timing, Ponzi 1 & 2 return might also taking long time to  catch up.
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I can only rely on RSP at the moment due to limited budget, fix the periodic investment timing and see how they perform only decide to rebalance/switch pull out flex.gif

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post Sep 26 2016, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 26 2016, 10:14 AM)
That's a big IF Trump goes into the white house.
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I was wondering about this. Clinton and Trump are basically even in the polls right now. Do you guys think that a Trump presidency would cause a huge global financial crisis?

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post Sep 26 2016, 10:31 PM

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done top up for September , before promo ends:D
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:31 PM)
done top up for September , before promo ends:D
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Mind sharing which fund??
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:42 PM)
Mind sharing which fund??
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some of it biggrin.gif

hwang japan growth fund
Manulife India Equity Fund
CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund
Kenanga Growth Fund
ponzi 1 and 2
amasia reits
rhb asian income fund
rhb balanced fund
rhb global fortune

u dun wan top up ke?
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:53 PM)
some of it  biggrin.gif

hwang japan growth fund
Manulife India Equity Fund
CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund
Kenanga Growth Fund
ponzi 1 and 2
amasia reits
rhb asian income fund
rhb balanced fund
rhb global fortune

u dun wan top up ke?
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Wah so many funds rclxms.gif
Add titan..
Still thinking which one to add later.. Awaiting feedback from advisers blush.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:56 PM)
Wah so many funds rclxms.gif
Add titan..
Still thinking which one to add later.. Awaiting feedback from advisers blush.gif
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hahah yes.. thats why when i press top up will take some time , then need decide on the amount to top up for it too biggrin.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:06 PM

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Which one is Ponzi 1 and 2 ?
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 26 2016, 11:06 PM)
Which one is Ponzi 1 and 2 ?
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Ponzi 1: Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund
Ponzi 2: CIMB Principal Asia Dynamic Income Fund aka Dynamite Fund
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:13 PM

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please refer page 1.
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 24 2016, 10:10 AM)
some would prefer/suggest to do this during the period of this trump uncertainty.... biggrin.gif  tongue.gif
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That's what I am thinking to do. Keep calm and wait after 8 Nov.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 26 2016, 09:43 PM)
Give lar some canggih name: KimYee High Frequency Trading Algorithm (KimyEE High Frequency Trading Algorithm: KEHFTA™ system)
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Xuzen's Algozen Ball
KimYees' KY JellEe? tongue.gif

sorry - late in the day, uncaffeinated, weird(er) thoughts than usual .. tongue.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:39 PM

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Wow u guys hantam fund like a dozen if it...😵

Must be high nett worth guys...

Not alot money usually only focus 1 or 2 funds to keep pumping money
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:46 PM

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AmAsia Pacific REITs Plus
Kenanga Growth Fund
Manulife India Equity Fund
RHB Asian Income Fund
RHB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund
TA Global Technology Fund
Libra AsnitaBond Fund
topped up
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post Sep 26 2016, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Sep 26 2016, 10:21 PM)
I was wondering about this. Clinton and Trump are basically even in the polls right now. Do you guys think that a Trump presidency would cause a huge global financial crisis?
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His policies are very extremist in nature and investors do not like unstable governments. They are like opportunistic rats and will run at the first sign of uncertainty.

Look at malaysia and bersih. It coincides with the fall of the klse

Then there's Brexit. Investors started pulling out for God knows what reason but I am thinking it's more to do with the English pound losing its worth vs euro

Then there's Thailand civil war

Everytime you see a sneeze. The investors pull out.
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post Sep 27 2016, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 26 2016, 03:28 PM)

I think, it is being rather impractical to just talk (and nothing more than just empty talk) about the merits and cons of any particular investment vehicle as if when it is not suitable for one ownself, then it is not suitable for others.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 26 2016, 04:50 PM)
No, I made a lost of around 8% in 9 mths of holding this fund (CIMB-GTF). I participated starting in Sep 2015 and completely exited the position by Jun 2016.

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this is quite surprising to me.. despite having the advantage of algozen ball?.


QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 26 2016, 04:53 PM)
But but but must talk about it wan, or else, guy3288 will butthurt complain we only talk about winners and not the losers. We must average it lar, this lar, that lar...
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just show winners only to become daddy mana boleh.

QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 23 2016, 11:47 PM)
Since we on the ASX FP topic, I just google it and check its ROI, and found that they are around 6.XX% never touching 7%. The Bumiputera only is slightly higher by 100 basis pts.

I took the liberty and checked out FSM list and found that there are 10 Balanced UTF that have above 10% CAGR.

Who's your daddy now!

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QUOTE(dexk @ Sep 24 2016, 03:54 AM)
I have been following this topic actually. 10 > 10% but how many < 7.XX? To compare apple with apple we should use the median or average isn't it?
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 26 2016, 05:11 PM)

I always believe in the same way we preach DIVERSIFICATION  for unit trust investment, unit trust by itself should be an asset class in a basket of investment. The basket of investment could contain EPF, endowment policy, property investment, stocks, PNB funds, etc.

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trouble is many are also "allergic" hearing epf, endowment and pnb funds.........


QUOTE(vseries @ Sep 26 2016, 05:41 PM)
Thanks! Yes, I know distribution is meaningless..
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dude, dont take that literally.

Distribution is meaningless only if after distribution your UT drops and never pick up again. If it gives 2% ( NAV drops 2%) and never gain back its NAV again, of course no use la the distribution.

However if it gives out 10%, and later on the NAV picks up back that 10% , then the distribution is meaningful.
That is 10% return even if your UT stays stagnant from beginning to end of year.

Talk no use, example is here.

I bought Am Asia Pac Equity Income 3 yrs ago at RM1.10++ and it has gone down and down, and i keep buying and selling down and down , now only RM0.94.
Price keep going down, No distribution sure i lose money already

Guess what? i earned RM8000+, it give me an IRR of 9% .

All because of distributions!
So distributions are not meaningless as you would like to listen.







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post Sep 27 2016, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 26 2016, 12:38 AM)
when u buy ASX you follow their rules, fair or not, ASX never forces u to buy,
infact you dont wanna buy they are more than happy.
I belip the rate so high is mainly to help the bumis.. as nonbumis if u dont wanna benefit there they are more happy.

when you buy FSM UTs, u follow FSM rules, where got such thing fair or not fair.
Make money or lose money we cannot cry not fair
but to highlight only top performers from FSM to challenge ASX's 6.5% return is rather misleading.
investors must be warned many more FSM UTs are giving very poor or negative returns.
Worse still i dont see those 6 top performers  in most of u guys's portfolio.
i wonder why that is so.

Yeah liquidity is key if we worry ASx reserves down, one day will pay poor rate, just liquidate and cash out.
actually  not that difficult to buy. considering many are so allergic to it treat it like kucing kurap...
Actually i dont understand why u guys are so against those ASX people like Ram.
People wanna play safe ma, not everyone can take risk in lose money and no sweat also.

No one investment is 100% safe, to worry about the ASX reserves drying up is same
like  FSM UT buyers worry FSM one day cant pay when people wanna sell.
How to compare stocks to Fixed income vehicle?. Stocks can kill u and stocks can also bring people to heaven
ASX are all fully grounded on earth, rather safe and steady.

Best is to invest in all and then enjoy the bests of both worlds.
giving facts cannot be reported la.
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Very well said. This is not MU vs Liverpool or whatever. Both can co-exist and both can win.

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