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 Fundsupermart.com v15, 基金超市第十五章 - Rise the Dragon

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post Sep 26 2016, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(vseries @ Sep 26 2016, 04:41 PM)
If you look at historical distribution for past 5 years, not so bad >10% every year but NAV deep diving. Looks like I'm the only one here keep for long-term investment... hope won't trigger exit plan.
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Read Post #1 and get it into your head. shakehead.gif
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post Sep 26 2016, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 26 2016, 03:32 PM)
indeed  this explains why there are so many differences and arguments here, people from different pockets arguing all at the same time.

You suggest how many % should be in 1st, 2nd 3rd pockets?
Seeing many in here are also anti FDs (and the like for its "poor returns"), i guess may be 10%,80%,10%?
interesting.............
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There is no one right answer. It depends on the age of the investor, his income level, whether he is self employed or an employer, whether he is servicing a lot of loans, is he married or single, with children, etc?

As a very general principle, IMHO, it should be:-

1st Pocket - 3 to 6 months of living expenses. If you are working in an unstable working environment (e.g. oil & gas) or self employed, it could go up to 12 months of living expenses. So a person who needs RM5K a month for food, traveling and servicing loan would need to have at least RM15K to RM30K in savings before even THINKING of other pockets.

2nd Pocket - This could be 80% to 90%.

3rd Pocket - This would be 10% to 20%.

I always believe in the same way we preach DIVERSIFICATION for unit trust investment, unit trust by itself should be an asset class in a basket of investment. The basket of investment could contain EPF, endowment policy, property investment, stocks, PNB funds, etc.

Of course when we are young, it is impossible to do everything. So we start with the basic principle, to save at least 10% of our gross monthly salary and increase the saving every year.

This post has been edited by Vanguard 2015: Sep 26 2016, 05:13 PM
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post Sep 26 2016, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 26 2016, 04:53 PM)
But but but must talk about it wan, or else, guy3288 will butthurt complain we only talk about winners and not the losers. We must average it lar, this lar, that lar...

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 26 2016, 04:56 PM)
Dis your Head Tri Bution doh.gif

Read Post #1 and get it into your head. shakehead.gif
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hmm.gif OkOk don't talk about this fund. Now we know why no one talking about this one since it is so underperformed. I'll just let this portion of investment sits on a broke-down ship (still repairable?). Hope it can weather 7 years of storm and give some surprises when it anchors at the shore later on. Don't think it will sink smile.gif
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QUOTE(vseries @ Sep 26 2016, 05:27 PM)
hmm.gif OkOk don't talk about this fund. Now we know why no one talking about this one since it is so underperformed. I'll just let this portion of investment sits on a broke-down ship (still repairable?). Hope it can weather 7 years of storm and give some surprises when it anchors at the shore later on. Don't think it will sink smile.gif
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Learn.

Distribution in the context of UTs is meaningless.

Go read Post #1. I sumbat $$$ in your poket now.
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post Sep 26 2016, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 26 2016, 05:31 PM)
Learn.

Distribution in the context of UTs is meaningless.

Go read Post #1. I sumbat $$$ in your poket now.
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Thanks! Yes, I know distribution is meaningless.. I shouldn't mention distribution in the first place but just now I glance through latest fund factsheet and see they put a nice distribution history... When I asked I already say this fund is 'not so performing'

"Anyone still holding the not so performing RHB Equity Trust?"

... only later from 'not so performing' become 'lousiest performing' by xuzen smile.gif

thanks anyway at least I know what other think about this 'RHB Equity Trust'.

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post Sep 26 2016, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(vseries @ Sep 26 2016, 05:41 PM)
Thanks! Yes, I know distribution is meaningless.. I shouldn't mention distribution in the first place but just now I glance through latest fund factsheet and see they put a nice NAV history... When I asked I already say this fund is 'not so performing'

"Anyone still holding the not so performing RHB Equity Trust?"

... only later from 'not so performing' become 'lousiest performing' by Xuzen smile.gif
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From what I see inside the fact sheet, RHB Equity Trust only have less than 1% in cash liquidity. 96% in Malaysia equity.

Whereas Kenanga Growth Fund has 1/4 in cash and 3/4 in Malaysia Equity.

Their performance difference is HUGE in 3 years at least.





BTW, how do we measure the risk adjusted return from the info given in FSM?

I only rely information like Sharpe Ratio to differentiate between funds.


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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 26 2016, 05:49 PM)
From what I see inside the fact sheet, RHB Equity Trust only have less than 1% in cash liquidity. 96% in Malaysia equity.

Whereas Kenanga Growth Fund has 1/4 in cash and 3/4 in Malaysia Equity.

Their performance difference is HUGE in 3 years at least.
BTW, how do we measure the risk adjusted return from the info given in FSM?

I only rely information like Sharpe Ratio to differentiate between funds.
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I baca ni je dah rasa something wrong...this fund used to have quite high Asia ex Japan allocation. Why now so bullish on Bolehland when there are better opportunities elsewhere? doh.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 26 2016, 04:50 PM)
No, I made a lost of around 8% in 9 mths of holding this fund (CIMB-GTF). I participated starting in Sep 2015 and completely exited the position by Jun 2016.

RHB equity trust is the lousiest risk-adjusted performing UTF in the RHB offering.

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Stil considering to top up GTF or not.. been overweighting KGF and Ponzi 2 ..all Asia & emerging market fund as per advise by fsm for the 5 star rating. GTF needed to balance the portfolio needed if Fed start to increase interest ?
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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Sep 26 2016, 06:54 PM)
Stil considering to top up GTF or not.. been overweighting KGF and Ponzi 2 ..all Asia & emerging market fund as per advise by fsm for the 5 star rating. GTF needed to balance the portfolio needed if Fed start to increase interest ?
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this is what FSM said last year.....

Rate Hike To Doom Equities? Not Necessarily!
The three words "Fed rate hikes" strike fear into even the most seasoned of equity investors, as a hawkish Fed may pave the way for the bear to crash the party. However, if history is of any guidance, there is no need for investors to bail out of the equity market. In the last rate hike cycle dating back to June 2004, when the Fed added 425 basis points to the Fed funds rate, the S&P 500 Index delivered an annualised return of about 4.5% over a period of two years (see Chart 1). While equity markets could see some near-term volatility (code word for wild market swings) in the lead up to the first rate hike, it could open up attractive entry points for investors who have been on the side-lines.

Don't Put All Your Eggs In One Basket - Diversify!
To prepare for the rate hike, investors should also continue to maintain a diversified portfolio of investments across a wide array of asset classes and geographies, because it is extremely difficult to predict how various market segments will move in response to a Fed rate hike. Historically, various market segments move differently in various Fed rate hike cycles! As asset classes move in different directions and magnitude in a rising interest rate environment, the profits earned on the investments that perform well could help to cushion potential losses incurred on those that underperform.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...27-Nov-15--6556

Affin hwang did said....invest with the EXPECTAION of rate hike this year and next.....amid slowly....

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 25 2016, 08:28 PM)
V dun have a crystal ball to predict the movement  cry.gif
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My indicators told me to top up KGF in early July'16, Ponzi 1.0 at early Feb'16 and Titan in late Feb'16 brows.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 26 2016, 09:06 PM)
My indicators told me to top up KGF in early July'16, Ponzi 1.0 at early Feb'16 and Titan in late Feb'16 brows.gif
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Any indicators for coming near future?
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 26 2016, 05:49 PM)
I only rely information like Sharpe Ratio to differentiate between funds.
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I would like to recommend that one should never, ever rely on a single criteria.

What else one should look at, it depends. But definitely never "only rely" on one criteria.



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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 26 2016, 09:25 PM)
I would like to recommend that one should never, ever rely on a single criteria.

What else one should look at, it depends. But definitely never "only rely" on one criteria.
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That's why I like to hear from sifus' experience to improve judgement on evaluating funds notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 26 2016, 09:06 PM)
My indicators told me to top up KGF in early July'16, Ponzi 1.0 at early Feb'16 and Titan in late Feb'16 brows.gif
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KimYee™ indicators rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 26 2016, 07:46 PM)
this is what FSM said last year.....

Rate Hike To Doom Equities? Not Necessarily!
The three words "Fed rate hikes" strike fear into even the most seasoned of equity investors, as a hawkish Fed may pave the way for the bear to crash the party. However, if history is of any guidance, there is no need for investors to bail out of the equity market. In the last rate hike cycle dating back to June 2004, when the Fed added 425 basis points to the Fed funds rate, the S&P 500 Index delivered an annualised return of about 4.5% over a period of two years (see Chart 1). While equity markets could see some near-term volatility (code word for wild market swings) in the lead up to the first rate hike, it could open up attractive entry points for investors who have been on the side-lines.

Don't Put All Your Eggs In One Basket - Diversify!
To prepare for the rate hike, investors should also continue to maintain a diversified portfolio of investments across a wide array of asset classes and geographies, because it is extremely difficult to predict how various market segments will move in response to a Fed rate hike. Historically, various market segments move differently in various Fed rate hike cycles! As asset classes move in different directions and magnitude in a rising interest rate environment, the profits earned on the investments that perform well could help to cushion potential losses incurred on those that underperform.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...27-Nov-15--6556

Affin hwang did said....invest with the EXPECTAION of rate hike this year and next.....amid slowly....
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Hmmm... better topping up GTF, TA Europe and Libra anista then. Diversify, diversify bruce.gif bruce.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 26 2016, 09:31 PM)
KimYee™ indicators  rclxms.gif
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Give lar some canggih name: KimYee High Frequency Trading Algorithm (KimyEE High Frequency Trading Algorithm: KEHFTA™ system)
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Sep 26 2016, 09:16 PM)
Any indicators for coming near future?
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Unfortunately I tracks only about 40 funds and the signal only come after falling fund/market. Right now market is going up, so no new signals for quite some time except for those small cap funds. Signal only appears 1-2 times a year, sometime none. And it is not crystal ball. In fact I usually add funds suggested by Xuzen into my list biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 26 2016, 09:43 PM)
Give lar some canggih name: KimYee High Frequency Trading Algorithm (KimyEE High Frequency Trading Algorithm: KEHFTA™ system)
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Wei.. it is ultra low freq la
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 26 2016, 09:48 PM)
Unfortunately I tracks only about 40 funds and the signal only come after falling fund/market. Right now market is going up, so no new signals for quite some time except for those small cap funds. Signal only appears 1-2 times a year, sometime none. And it is not crystal ball. In fact I usually add funds suggested by Xuzen into my list  biggrin.gif
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Boss

I also add funda according to Sifu Xuzen. Thank god we have him ard. Without him, I m still dilemma what to buy. TQ to him and his crystal ball.

Now I can wait for his indicators again.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 26 2016, 12:27 PM)
I read a finance book recently. It talks about 3 different pockets for financial security.

1st Pocket : Saving pocket.
2nd Pocket : Investment pocket.
3rd Pocket  : Trading pocket.

1st pocket would be fire proof and earthquake proof. I assume this means FD or its equivalent. Once this is filled, then we have the 2nd pocket. This is meant for long term investment like unit trusts in FSM.

Then we have the 3rd pocket. This would be the gambling portfolio or where you allocate a certain amount of money for your "best bet". I assume this is the sector fund, gold fund, etc. I assume this would involve short term investment and active trading.
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Mine like this la
1st pocket - Flexi home loan, EPF
2nd pocket - UT
3rd pocket - US stocks and options

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