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post Mar 17 2023, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(ChipZ @ Mar 9 2023, 04:16 PM)
Anyone bought from Al-ikhsan before? Just noticed their running shoes (even latest models) are cheaper than the others
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It's seems legit. A friend bought it on the physicals shop.
Online never tried. if want to get online, I'd rathe use ecom platform ie: LZD via their official store.
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post Mar 18 2023, 11:56 PM

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Just went to try out both the nike pengasus 39 and asics novablast 3 and both are almost the same price. The novablast 3 feels so much bouncier and has so much more cushioning compared to the pengasus 39 but dumb fk am I still went to purchase the pengasus 39 instead. Immediately regretted my decision hoping I can get an exchange with a novablast 3...........
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post Mar 20 2023, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(ricardomilos96 @ Mar 18 2023, 11:56 PM)
Just went to try out both the nike pengasus 39 and asics novablast 3 and both are almost the same price. The novablast 3 feels so much bouncier and has so much more cushioning compared to the pengasus 39 but dumb fk am I still went to purchase the pengasus 39 instead. Immediately regretted my decision hoping I can get an exchange with a novablast 3...........
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Been there bro, I bought Nike before because of their hyped and in my opinion is the best looking running shoes in the market.

Peg 39 is actually pretty versatile daily trainer.
It's just that now competition is so good in running shoes. There are better one for the price like NVB 3 like you experienced. Although very different character. So some may prefer the peg 39.

My problem with Nike current line up is that it fits really narrow. Might risk having bunion; specifically when you're having wide feet.

To share how narrow Nike shoes nowadays, normally I wear US 8, with other brand I can do lacing or half or half size up. But in Nike generally have to upsize to 11 or even 12 if I follow the width of my feet. it feels like wearing flippers lol So I can't wear it without risking . Your millage may vary.

Nike has peg 39 with extra wide option online, I never able to find on the shop, so I skip, not worth the risk.

Another reason Nike isn't my current choice: it is also not known for the durability, Though they have the better if not best return policy. I heard some able to claim the alphafly that air zoom having "pecah" prematurely.
Not sure if also applied to everyone, or lower tier item.


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QUOTE(hairy_porker @ Mar 20 2023, 04:56 PM)
Been there bro, I bought Nike before because of their hyped and in my opinion is the best looking running shoes in the market.

Peg 39 is actually pretty versatile daily trainer.
It's just that now competition is so good in running shoes. There are better one for the price like NVB 3 like you experienced. Although very different character. So some may prefer the peg 39.

My problem with Nike current line up is that it fits really narrow. Might risk having bunion; specifically when you're having wide feet.

To share how narrow Nike shoes nowadays, normally I wear US 8, with other brand I can do lacing or half or half size up. But in Nike generally have to upsize to 11 or even 12 if I follow the width of my feet. it feels like wearing flippers lol  So I can't wear it without risking . Your millage may vary.

Nike has peg 39 with extra wide option online, I never able to find on the shop, so I skip, not worth the risk.

Another reason Nike isn't my current choice: it is also not known for the durability, Though they have the better if not best return policy. I heard some able to claim the alphafly that air zoom having "pecah" prematurely.
Not sure if also applied to everyone, or lower tier item.
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Just managed to get an exchange with the Novablast 3 and couldn't be happier before. It feels so much better than the Pegasus 39 just like how bouncy it feels and even managed to break my personal best on a 5km today. biggrin.gif

Overall satisfied and no regrets. Won't return to Nike anytime soon for now
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post Mar 21 2023, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(hairy_porker @ Mar 20 2023, 04:56 PM)
Been there bro, I bought Nike before because of their hyped and in my opinion is the best looking running shoes in the market.

Peg 39 is actually pretty versatile daily trainer.
It's just that now competition is so good in running shoes. There are better one for the price like NVB 3 like you experienced. Although very different character. So some may prefer the peg 39.

My problem with Nike current line up is that it fits really narrow. Might risk having bunion; specifically when you're having wide feet.

To share how narrow Nike shoes nowadays, normally I wear US 8, with other brand I can do lacing or half or half size up. But in Nike generally have to upsize to 11 or even 12 if I follow the width of my feet. it feels like wearing flippers lol  So I can't wear it without risking . Your millage may vary.

Nike has peg 39 with extra wide option online, I never able to find on the shop, so I skip, not worth the risk.

Another reason Nike isn't my current choice: it is also not known for the durability, Though they have the better if not best return policy. I heard some able to claim the alphafly that air zoom having "pecah" prematurely.
Not sure if also applied to everyone, or lower tier item.
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What models (doesn't have to be Nike) are a little wider? I normally wear wide sizes but sometimes a half size up on M is fine.
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post Mar 21 2023, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(ricardomilos96 @ Mar 20 2023, 09:48 PM)
Just managed to get an exchange with the Novablast 3 and couldn't be happier before. It feels so much better than the Pegasus 39 just like how bouncy it feels and even managed to break my personal best on a 5km today. biggrin.gif

Overall satisfied and no regrets. Won't return to Nike anytime soon for now
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Good to hear you are able to get the shoes you like!
Where did you get it? any tips how you managed to exchange hahaha
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post Mar 21 2023, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Mar 21 2023, 05:40 PM)
What models (doesn't have to be Nike) are a little wider? I normally wear wide sizes but sometimes a half size up on M is fine.
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What do you mean by up on M is fine? do you mean D, not 2E or 4E?

what type of shoes are you looking for? Daily trainer, tempo, recovery, stability, race day?
I am not expert but recently got bitten by running bug again, so keep researching and ended up buying too many shoes.

All I can say is that always better to go to shop and try. One tips is to take out the insole and put your feet on the top of it; of course asked politely first biggrin.gif
Because all of us have different part that have widest; mine so happen on the mid section. Some manufacturer even using same size of insole until certain sizing and the wide or extra offering still using the same insole; which can cause rubbing problem / discomfort on the longer run.

Even the 2E or even 4E sometimes does not work; while sometimes upsizing works depending on the model.

With that said; here is the shoes that currently works for me and do enjoy them:
1. Daily trainers: Reebok Floatride Energy 3; need to upsize 1/2 and lace with skipping the first row.
This shoes really deserves more love. The midsole is really good. very versatile. Can be use for tempo shoes as well if you want to. Good grip and ground contact feel so still can be used for non technical tracking.
It's really durable as well, 200km an it's still as good; if not better than first day.
Best of all it's also very affordable. Rebook is always offers good value for money.
Though longer run (10+km) my feet starting to ask for better cushioning; likely that I am not strong enough not necessary the shoes.

2. Tempo: Adidas Zero 5 Tokyo; need to upsize 1/2 and lace with skipping the first row.
the midfoot is so tiny and rubs my midfoot; so I can only wear it for max 5km

3. Recovery: Bondi X: true to size the upper is stretchy and the base is big
though have issue on heel lock and the prize is pretty high. And no carbon fiber "flick" sensation.
Despite all the drawbacks it helped me recovering from plantar fasciitis though.

4. Race day: Puma Deviate Nitro 2; true to size but still need to lace with skipping the first row.
I am surprised that Nitro series of Puma has widish midfoot; I never able to try previously because it was really narrow.
and when trying the velocity nitro I have to up 1/2 size. Strange as the deviate nitro is carbon fiber and the velocity is daily trainers.

Honorable mention:
GT2000 v3 4E my favorite shoes all the time
It flexible, despite stability shoes, which helps me transition from heel striker to fore-midfoot strike smile.gif
Build like a tank; I clocked 1000km+ and time to time I still wear it for walking or running at treadmill.
The newer version runs narrow and cannot find the extra wide (4E)

Would like to try but still having too many shoes lol and wait for discount XD
1. Asics Novablast 3 Wide 2E
2. Puma Foreverun yet to try the sizing

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post Mar 21 2023, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(hairy_porker @ Mar 21 2023, 07:59 PM)
What do you mean by up on M is fine? do you mean D, not 2E or 4E?

what type of shoes are you looking for? Daily trainer, tempo, recovery, stability, race day?
I am not expert but recently got bitten by running bug again, so keep researching and ended up buying too many shoes.
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Yes I mean D. I'm not an advanced runner so I just have several training and lighter shoes for faster and race day runs. I'll look into your picks.
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post Mar 27 2023, 04:19 PM

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I went for some intense hike 1 week ago (i rarely hike), and 2 days later i start to run and i felt my left ankle, left and right shin started to pain. Didn't even manage to complete aa 5k, just 2.5km and i stop due to the pain.

After a week which is yesterday, i try to run again and i feel the pain on the same parts again after running 10minutes and i stop. I run half marathon myself very often and i have never have this issue before.

Tried to google search but there are too many similar symptoms, I can do all my normal activities without pain, i can walk long distance without pain, but when i start to run, just after 10, my shin and ankle start to feel it and i continue, it'll be very pain.

Does anyone experienced this or could give it a guess what's going on here.


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post Apr 1 2023, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(OrangCacat @ Mar 27 2023, 04:19 PM)
I went for some intense hike 1 week ago (i rarely hike), and 2 days later i start to run and i felt my left ankle, left and right shin started to pain. Didn't even manage to complete aa 5k, just 2.5km and i stop due to the pain.

After a week which is yesterday, i try to run again and i feel the pain on the same parts again after running 10minutes and i stop. I run half marathon myself very often and i have never have this issue before.

Tried to google search but there are too many similar symptoms, I can do all my normal activities without pain, i can walk long distance without pain, but when i start to run, just after 10, my shin and ankle start to feel it and i continue, it'll be very pain.

Does anyone experienced this or could give it a guess what's going on here.
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ain't expert but when you said rarely hike; I first guess would be that underdeveloped muscle + ligament that used for hike. as hike would utilize some different muscle than running.
few days recovery usually should be fine, I personally requires longer recovery as the age increased sad.gif now cannot be lazy to do flexibility and strength training anymore hahaha

another guess would be running shoes this days are very forgiving; high stack; nice comfy foam and extreme rockers with virtually no ground contact feeling;
It's good that it enable us to run longer without feeling beaten up but in my opinion this will make some muscle underdeveloped. some even said increased injury as more and more plated shoes.
though can't proof it as nor an expert or run as much; but I do feel that after using high stack, bouncy foam whether plated or not; when I am back to "normal" shoes I tend to "stomp" as looking for those bounce affect; which I do think aligned with higher chance of getting injury.
Fortunately for me I prefer "normal" running shoes that have ground contact feeling; less pronounce rockers / toe spring.

Hence, might worth checking a "normal" running / hiking shoes and make it part of rotation.

Hope you have speedy recovery.

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Edit. Im dumb. Got my answer.

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QUOTE(hairy_porker @ Mar 21 2023, 07:59 PM)


4. Race day: Puma Deviate Nitro 2; true to size but still need to lace with skipping the first row.
I am surprised that Nitro series of Puma has widish midfoot; I never able to try previously because it was really narrow.
and when trying the velocity nitro I have to up 1/2 size. Strange as the deviate nitro is carbon fiber and the velocity is daily trainers.
I got "black toes" from wearing Puma Deviate Nitro 2 on both feet, which I think could be due to the narrow toebox and the upper material that is quite abrasive and less flexible compared to my other shoes. Strangely, did not see anyone highlighting this problem before. I normally wear D width (standard width) running shoes without any problem and the size that I used had always been consistently the same, without any serious issue.

Had I known this problem, I would have opted for the NB3 for sure, but the allure of carbon plate performance and outsole with better grip convinced me to go with the Puma. Being a heal striker, just worry that NB3 outsole would not last.

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QUOTE(Kennchew @ Mar 6 2023, 09:26 PM)
Just finished my first half marathon yesterday was able to maintain a steady pace till that last 6km bukit tunku route wrecked me real hard. Legs just gave up. No choice but to walk all the way till the finish line but still managed to finish before the cutoff time. Feel kinda disappointed with myself as I have been training really hard during these past 3 months not the result I was expecting for sad.gif
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May I ask, prior to this, have you completed 21Km in a single run before? Am going for an HM event myself this weekend, have never done this distance before, the most I have completed is 15 km, which people say is the minimum requirement before you should attempt a HM. Hope I can complete the race within my targeted time and don't suffer burnt out or injury.

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Been suffering knee pains whenver I go out for runs, especially longer ones. Almost put me out of this running thing, as the pain is not something I enjoyed getting. What could be the cause ?

I did stretch, am not overweight. Tried using 12mm, and now switch to 8mm, but problem remains. Thoughts ?
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ May 7 2023, 12:14 AM)
Been suffering knee pains whenver I go out for runs, especially longer ones. Almost put me out of this running thing, as the pain is not something I enjoyed getting. What could be the cause ?

I did stretch, am not overweight. Tried using 12mm, and now switch to 8mm, but problem remains. Thoughts ?
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info isn't clear enough, & not quite understand what you're trying to tell 12mm/8mm

which part of your knee? commonly happened is outer knee, which is ITBS. you have use foam roller to release the pain


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post May 13 2023, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(lightworks @ May 12 2023, 06:23 PM)
info isn't clear enough, & not quite understand what you're trying to tell 12mm/8mm

which part of your knee? commonly happened is outer knee, which is ITBS. you have use foam roller to release the pain
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The 12mm / 8mm I mentioned was the heel drop, sorry for mentioning it earlier. Feels like a burning sensation at the knee cap area (worse on the left knee than on the right) whenever my feet lands on the ground.
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post May 17 2023, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Buydirect @ May 4 2023, 05:12 PM)
I got "black toes" from wearing Puma Deviate Nitro 2 on both feet, which I think could be due to the narrow toebox and the upper material that is quite abrasive and less flexible compared to my other shoes. Strangely, did not see anyone highlighting this problem before. I normally wear D width (standard width) running shoes without any problem and the size that I used had always been consistently the same, without any serious issue.

Had I known this problem, I would have opted for the NB3 for sure, but the allure of carbon plate performance and outsole with better grip convinced me to go with the Puma. Being a heal striker, just worry that NB3 outsole would not last.
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Sorry to hear that.

Out of curiously, what deviate nitro 2 color do you have? Mine is Black and White
I realized different color might have different cutting. Not just in PUMA. this applies to other brand as well. Likely different batch of the shoes. this make me very reluctant to buying online.

I had hot spot on 3rd toes, and occasional blister, with the Hokka Bondi X, but only when I do long run(more than 1hour which for me already considered long run), if I continue pretty sure will have a black toes.
Also recently got Cumulus 25 (4E), having similar issue but milder than the Hokka.
My theory is is likely my way of running is not compatible with high stack and rocker type of shoes.
Since Mizuno Rebellion Sonic (3E) has no issue at all despite putting more pace during long run with it. My current favorite shoes. Enerzy foam does not seems need to be compressed to get the responsiveness; though noticeably firmer compared to other "super" foam.
Great for me who don't have strong leg. So I don't need to "stomp". Even with Deviate nitro 2, with the soft nitro elite foam; I still have to intentionally put effort on stomping during stride to get those "flick" goodness of the carbon fiber plate;
The Mizuno Rebellion Sonic is very underrated for shoes in my opinion. Great for speed training and encourage good running form; "proper" fore-midfoot stride to feel the real performance.

That said Mizuno is the widest shoes I currently have despite only 3E.


Since you also mention NB3, recently tried NB3 2E but the insole seem using the same width the D. Taking out the insole and put the feet on the top of it; the lateral side of my feet is coming out, so didn't get.
Lucky to did this test otherwise will be wasted, because pretty sure my feet won't appreciate it.

I wish I knew this method earlier, to avoid unnecessary purchase, blister or even injury.

YMMV



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QUOTE(watabakiu @ May 13 2023, 03:27 PM)
The 12mm / 8mm I mentioned was the heel drop, sorry for mentioning it earlier. Feels like a burning sensation at the knee cap area (worse on the left knee than on the right) whenever my feet lands on the ground.
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Ain't expert but could be multiple possibility, or combination, some that I can think of:

1. Over stride
heel strike is "okay" as long as is moderate but not overstride

2. Muscle imbalance

3. Lack of strength and flexibility

4. Running too much or too fast
build millage slowly and let the muscle and ligament to build up
quick recommendation is to use MAF training --> I wish I know this method when I start running

5. Worn out shoes
less likely, but when you said both knee; could be the case

hopefully can identify and find a solution, or at least can give some clue to further investigate. Good luck
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QUOTE(hairy_porker @ May 17 2023, 06:37 PM)
Sorry to hear that.

Out of curiously, what deviate nitro 2 color do you have? Mine is Black and White
I realized different color might have different cutting. Not just in PUMA. this applies to other brand as well. Likely different batch of the shoes. this make me very reluctant to buying online.


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Yes, it's Black and White color. Not sure if the color has anything to do with the cutting tho.

From what I read on the internet, black toes could be due to how the shoe laces are tied. In theory, if your foot is not properly "locked" by the shoelaces, it will slip and move forward within the void, and the toes ended up banging against the tip of the shoes at every stride.

So, I have tried to do a version of runner's knot to lock my feet inside the shoes, but not exactly sure if it is effective as I only dare to use my Deviate Nitro on my shorter 5-7 km runs for now. In addition, I bought some gel like toe protector, put them on before I put on my socks and shoes, and it seems to work, although it is a bit uncomfortable as my toes feel cramped up and not being able to breathe !
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ May 7 2023, 12:14 AM)
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Been suffering knee pains whenver I go out for runs, especially longer ones. Almost put me out of this running thing, as the pain is not something I enjoyed getting. What could be the cause ?

I did stretch, am not overweight. Tried using 12mm, and now switch to 8mm, but problem remains. Thoughts ?
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You did not mention your age, are you a veteran like me, where cartilage breakdown is a source of concern for runners. A condition called osteoarthritis, where the soft part of the knee joint is no longer in its prime state . I was told, even young people can experience this problem, tho it usually affects the elderly more. Is so, you may have to consider take supplements like glucosamine & condroitin , type 2 collagen , MSM etc... to prevent inflamation and further breakdown of the joint and possibly its repair too.

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