Do you incorporate strength and flexibility training?

Honestly, I also lazy to spend time on rest day, but I learned in hard way;
Only after having plantar facia due to tight hamstring and calf muscle I started incorporate it, better late than never lol

Had same issue don the adidas with plastic cage that reinforced lacing, but on different shoes. I tot it was due to that I have wide and high volume foot. But seems you also have issue despite having normal foot as you are able to wear Nike; which usually have narrow fitting.

This post has been edited by hairy_porker: Feb 24 2023, 09:25 PM

It's seems legit. A friend bought it on the physicals shop.
Online never tried. if want to get online, I'd rathe use ecom platform ie: LZD via their official store.

Been there bro, I bought Nike before because of their hyped and in my opinion is the best looking running shoes in the market.

Peg 39 is actually pretty versatile daily trainer.
It's just that now competition is so good in running shoes. There are better one for the price like NVB 3 like you experienced. Although very different character. So some may prefer the peg 39.

My problem with Nike current line up is that it fits really narrow. Might risk having bunion; specifically when you're having wide feet.

To share how narrow Nike shoes nowadays, normally I wear US 8, with other brand I can do lacing or half or half size up. But in Nike generally have to upsize to 11 or even 12 if I follow the width of my feet. it feels like wearing flippers lol So I can't wear it without risking . Your millage may vary.

Nike has peg 39 with extra wide option online, I never able to find on the shop, so I skip, not worth the risk.

Another reason Nike isn't my current choice: it is also not known for the durability, Though they have the better if not best return policy. I heard some able to claim the alphafly that air zoom having "pecah" prematurely.
Not sure if also applied to everyone, or lower tier item.

Good to hear you are able to get the shoes you like!
Where did you get it? any tips how you managed to exchange hahaha

What do you mean by up on M is fine? do you mean D, not 2E or 4E?

what type of shoes are you looking for? Daily trainer, tempo, recovery, stability, race day?
I am not expert but recently got bitten by running bug again, so keep researching and ended up buying too many shoes.

All I can say is that always better to go to shop and try. One tips is to take out the insole and put your feet on the top of it; of course asked politely first
Because all of us have different part that have widest; mine so happen on the mid section. Some manufacturer even using same size of insole until certain sizing and the wide or extra offering still using the same insole; which can cause rubbing problem / discomfort on the longer run.

Even the 2E or even 4E sometimes does not work; while sometimes upsizing works depending on the model.

With that said; here is the shoes that currently works for me and do enjoy them:
1. Daily trainers: Reebok Floatride Energy 3; need to upsize 1/2 and lace with skipping the first row.
This shoes really deserves more love. The midsole is really good. very versatile. Can be use for tempo shoes as well if you want to. Good grip and ground contact feel so still can be used for non technical tracking.
It's really durable as well, 200km an it's still as good; if not better than first day.
Best of all it's also very affordable. Rebook is always offers good value for money.
Though longer run (10+km) my feet starting to ask for better cushioning; likely that I am not strong enough not necessary the shoes.

2. Tempo: Adidas Zero 5 Tokyo; need to upsize 1/2 and lace with skipping the first row.
the midfoot is so tiny and rubs my midfoot; so I can only wear it for max 5km

3. Recovery: Bondi X: true to size the upper is stretchy and the base is big
though have issue on heel lock and the prize is pretty high. And no carbon fiber "flick" sensation.
Despite all the drawbacks it helped me recovering from plantar fasciitis though.

4. Race day: Puma Deviate Nitro 2; true to size but still need to lace with skipping the first row.
I am surprised that Nitro series of Puma has widish midfoot; I never able to try previously because it was really narrow.
and when trying the velocity nitro I have to up 1/2 size. Strange as the deviate nitro is carbon fiber and the velocity is daily trainers.

Honorable mention:
GT2000 v3 4E my favorite shoes all the time
It flexible, despite stability shoes, which helps me transition from heel striker to fore-midfoot strike
Build like a tank; I clocked 1000km+ and time to time I still wear it for walking or running at treadmill.
The newer version runs narrow and cannot find the extra wide (4E)

Would like to try but still having too many shoes lol and wait for discount XD
1. Asics Novablast 3 Wide 2E
2. Puma Foreverun yet to try the sizing

ain't expert but when you said rarely hike; I first guess would be that underdeveloped muscle + ligament that used for hike. as hike would utilize some different muscle than running.
few days recovery usually should be fine, I personally requires longer recovery as the age increased now cannot be lazy to do flexibility and strength training anymore hahaha

another guess would be running shoes this days are very forgiving; high stack; nice comfy foam and extreme rockers with virtually no ground contact feeling;
It's good that it enable us to run longer without feeling beaten up but in my opinion this will make some muscle underdeveloped. some even said increased injury as more and more plated shoes.
though can't proof it as nor an expert or run as much; but I do feel that after using high stack, bouncy foam whether plated or not; when I am back to "normal" shoes I tend to "stomp" as looking for those bounce affect; which I do think aligned with higher chance of getting injury.
Fortunately for me I prefer "normal" running shoes that have ground contact feeling; less pronounce rockers / toe spring.

Hence, might worth checking a "normal" running / hiking shoes and make it part of rotation.

Hope you have speedy recovery.

Sorry to hear that.

Out of curiously, what deviate nitro 2 color do you have? Mine is Black and White
I realized different color might have different cutting. Not just in PUMA. this applies to other brand as well. Likely different batch of the shoes. this make me very reluctant to buying online.

I had hot spot on 3rd toes, and occasional blister, with the Hokka Bondi X, but only when I do long run(more than 1hour which for me already considered long run), if I continue pretty sure will have a black toes.
Also recently got Cumulus 25 (4E), having similar issue but milder than the Hokka.
My theory is is likely my way of running is not compatible with high stack and rocker type of shoes.
Since Mizuno Rebellion Sonic (3E) has no issue at all despite putting more pace during long run with it. My current favorite shoes. Enerzy foam does not seems need to be compressed to get the responsiveness; though noticeably firmer compared to other "super" foam.
Great for me who don't have strong leg. So I don't need to "stomp". Even with Deviate nitro 2, with the soft nitro elite foam; I still have to intentionally put effort on stomping during stride to get those "flick" goodness of the carbon fiber plate;
The Mizuno Rebellion Sonic is very underrated for shoes in my opinion. Great for speed training and encourage good running form; "proper" fore-midfoot stride to feel the real performance.

That said Mizuno is the widest shoes I currently have despite only 3E.


Since you also mention NB3, recently tried NB3 2E but the insole seem using the same width the D. Taking out the insole and put the feet on the top of it; the lateral side of my feet is coming out, so didn't get.
Lucky to did this test otherwise will be wasted, because pretty sure my feet won't appreciate it.

I wish I knew this method earlier, to avoid unnecessary purchase, blister or even injury.

YMMV

Ain't expert but could be multiple possibility, or combination, some that I can think of:

1. Over stride
heel strike is "okay" as long as is moderate but not overstride

2. Muscle imbalance

3. Lack of strength and flexibility

4. Running too much or too fast
build millage slowly and let the muscle and ligament to build up
quick recommendation is to use MAF training --> I wish I know this method when I start running

5. Worn out shoes
less likely, but when you said both knee; could be the case

hopefully can identify and find a solution, or at least can give some clue to further investigate. Good luck

The color usually can be indicative of the batch.
Each batch usually have some differences.

For what it's worth I have attached the soles which I shoes that I have access in my house lol
Arranged it by how the width fit into my widest part of my foot; I have blob like footshape which widest part is in the middle; so YMMV.

Asics GT2000 3 4E > Puma Deviate Nitro2 > Rebook Floadride 3 > New balance 880v11 4E > Saucony Guide 15 Woman Wide (should be D; same like male) > Asics GT 1000 9 GS Kids version > Hoka Bondi X > Weinbrenner (free from bata) > Adios 5 > online insole

Surprisingly the width of deviate nitro 2 was almost as wide as my personal all time favorite shoes: Asics GT 2000 4E which also the widest shoes I had access that time.
Maybe I am just lucky to get the wide version of the Deviate Nitro 2?

Adidas adios 5 have very strange shape; which no wonder rubs the bottom of my feet.
The last one was trying to get insole online, intentionally getting oversized but it just longer not wider, unfortunately.


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As you mentioned could be slipping, whether on the heel or on the midfoot.

For Deviate Nitro 2 I always use runners knot and have to skip the first lace hole, because that's the part where my foot is the widest. Same goes with most normal D sized shoes.

Out of curiosity. when getting black toes, did you run on slope / downhill?

I shared the sentiment as currently most running are high stacked.
For the minimalist shoes now I am using cheap Chinese water sport shoes bough online from Lazada.

For the price for new shoes, only can think of Decathlon, and still need to top up 9RM for the most basic one: which likely does not last long and might provide good protection.
https://www.decathlon.my/men-s-jogging-shoe...shoes-grey.html

recommend at least this one 89RM:
https://www.decathlon.my/running-shoes-new-...black-grey.html

They have great return policy also; just don't abuse lah

Note: I never tried decathlon shoes as it usually European style fitting which runs longish and narrow; I have peasant wide feet.