That's because, garytong is not Exact ADC's staff.

He's a double nicker psycho from Johor.

He doesn't even have any job. (jobless)

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then .Net is OOP, there is a P behind... wahahahahaha... anyway, on what reason he/she think that VB6 is OO?!

I would like to give comment about fresh graduate who thinking of applying for Exact.

First:
- I am not an Exact employee
- I apply once few years ago but reject it because I feel it will not help me expand my career

Ok. Some tips to give to fresh ppl:
- Personally, I do not encourage fresh graduate to apply MNC or large company in the early stage of their career. Reason is due to you do not get enough learning experience to help you in your later career. Large company or MNC tends to be more job role specific and rarely will expose you to handle more kind of challenge. If you are thinking to learn more and do not care about salary. go local company or much smaller scale company to get some tough experience. They will provide you more challenge and you will learn a lot. You will learn to appreciate your next job once you go thru a challenging, high pressuare and heavy workload job. But again, for fresh graduate, go for gaining experience first then only think abt salary. Oh, by the way, even if you want to get high pay, staying in one MNC or large company for many years will not help you get high salary. Unless you have a really good academic and you are genius.

- work smart. not just work hard for your work, also learn how to make your work visible to your boss. Many people tend to work hard like hell, but their boss not even see that. You have to understand the boss got no time to look at you working everyday. You going to waste your energy working like that. It only need to take 1 second to impress your boss. Learn about your boss. You will see a lot of people in this thread talking abt shoe polish but I will say this is one of the smart way to work. You cannot say unfair. You have to work clever, your boss got so many staff to evaluate and he/she cannot watch how you do all the time... he/she got his own work as well... So, learn what your boss do and what your boss need, and think what you can give your boss which can help him/her in their job.

- salary. do market survey, like reading information in this thread. Know what market salary you deserve. If you think you can get RM4k, go apply for it. Do not hesitate. Because that is the salary you comfortable with and which you want. You do not want to feel regret later when you join the company. Most of the time, people will feel they asking too much and when come to interview, they step back. This is the time you need to be confident, and learn how to negotiate.

- interview. always... always be confident. Do not fear what they throw at you. Answer all the question in positive way and do not let them feel that you have doubt on any question. You might feel you are being fake to yourself but who care if you can get the job. You are here for the job and not for making friend.

Finally, I just wanna say, all companies got bad management. Bear in mind Exact has a bond for 1.5 year. Think about whether it fit your career planning. Think what you want to be in the next 5 years. Peace.

This post has been edited by hocksoo: Jul 24 2007, 09:21 AM

All bond is cancelled, no more bonds, employees are free to leave if they dont feel happy.

Dress code also = casual now...

This post has been edited by harsher: Jul 24 2007, 09:04 AM

so ... do you guys feel happier now? since MLM king has left and no more 18 months bonding and you can wear casual everyday.

seems the turnover still as great.

It would be better if they could replace HR bit**es cos they rather give you empty promises or not doing anything at all... staffs are transparent to them.... wondering what do they do everyday by sitting down there looking at the screen (well, i m waiting for garytong to shoot me again )

Anyway, i will be leaving soon... so good luck to you all.

Just to tell the management team that you all are giving such a bad impression to outsiders. Imagine the damage hundreds of ex-exact staff have done to Exact. I m sure i will be one of them.

Seem like it's getting worst.

Last friday, five staffs left the company. And more already tender their letter and leaving soon, including managers. Remember there's a say like this, if few staffs leave the company, may be they're problematic staff. But when lots staffs leave the company, sure it's a problematic company.

It's seem like we having lots of nonsense people in the company, like the HR manager that do nothing but just making fool of the staff. And of cause cannot forget to mention the payroll manager that know nothing about how's the payroll of NL run. Especially our main market is NL. Can you imagine our sales person go to the customer ask them to buy our product by saying. "Sir, please buy our payroll, although we not sure how the payroll run, but you will have a great product" haha, what a joke. Please hire me as the CEO then, cause I don't know how to run a company

We are getting the so call "adjustment" sometimes ago. Manager fool us by explaining that's it's because some of our salary not on par with the market. But is this the truth? It's definately not, because you see those that already with high salary get "adjustment" because they're in the high profile module (module that lots people leaving), and for those that the mangement think you not leaving or not even care if you leave, you will not even get a cent. So, for those that not getting "adjustment", you are no value to the company, please leave and empty your space for new comer, the management say.

I must say that there's no career path in the company, for SE, QA, Designer, you can only remain as it is until your manger leave. Because, I crack my brain and still cannot figure out where can you go. With no career path, we work for $$, but because management see that we are over paid, so that's no $$ either.

What's our salary range ? the management told us that, your salary is measure against the average of the local company ! oh my god, please tell me this's not true, because we are international company that making multi million EUR profit a year ! are we overpay ? those that left are getting 20%-30% pay rise, what about that ? even our international collegue are pay much better then us, tell use the truth, don't lie to us. Tell us that you want us because we are cheap !

May be, they're slowing transferring out the development and closing ADC. not even our CEO bother to meet us even he visit ADC. Good bye ADC, may you go in peace.

I strongly agree u mick. If the staff already get the high pay salary, how about those staff already resigned, why they can get 20% -30% high pay rise?

I did hear about this from my friend who works in this company also. They had out source their QA and some developments to their partner, some more got manager resign also. Since it is a good company, why still have many staff leaving, and manager too.

Will this company move thier ADC to other country?
Is it thier business strategy?
Just like what happen in Delf last time.

Currently they are going to change all the staff's PC. Duo core processor, 4gb ram. 160 hard drive. They are what a great company invests on their asset in stead of staff. Because once invest on the staff salary, in future will increase the company's expenses, staffs leave the company, they will loss on their investment. If invest on the assets, staff leaving, the asset still there.

CEO from Delf come to Malaysia visit ADC also didn't meet up with his employee!!!
A bit weird is it?


This post has been edited by richson: Jul 30 2007, 03:39 PM

hr suckssssssssssssssss......... just leave exact for god's sake will you?

u guys are damn right, those with higher pay going higher and higher, those low paid staffs still remain unseen and unnoticed. Dont ever try talking to your manager or HR, they will make ur life 10x more miserable.

married woman non stop flirting with different guys and yet company still counter offer her.... wtf?!??! seems exact cant survive without her. Regardless, i think exact is in the midst of going down to drain.

why some 30 years old SE earning 7k but others same age SE earning 3.5k?

What's the point of getting new pc?

GIVE ME INCREMENT IDIOTSSSS!

Wow... so many people resigned from this company. I did hear about the manager resign also. I know her, she is CY, last time she was in vb team and same team with me, both of us also work as QA. After I left, I heard she get promoted as assistant manager. After restructure, she was joined the .net team. But I heard after she joined the new team, people can't see her performance also, just help up the manager manage the bugs count. Some more she did the functional design also not so complete. Maybe in this company, there have no much improvement for her, so she decided to leave.

After CY left, don't know who will be the next manager? If the company appreciate their staff, they sure will know how to make thier staff to stay. Of cause company can not satify everyone, but at least they will do something to make them happy.

Staff leaving is HR fault?
Is management fault?

Don't justice a book base on the cover.

This post has been edited by God Father: Jul 30 2007, 05:27 PM

Disclaimer : I'm not ex-exact staff nor exact staff

If all of the above you guys said is true then it is not the HR fault nor management department. It is the company's system fail.(I'm not talking about the product, I'm refering to the way the company run)

Change the system, change the procedures, structures, change the rules. No system will work forever.

cool...this topic damn cool i still haven't sleep although need to go to work tomorrow(insomnia actually)..haha

Used to work for Exact before, and it was a good place to learn (but not earn well). This was about 5+ years ago. Then they started promoting idiots to run the company, and that's when it all started to get bad. Yeah, you can fire the HR or the CEO or whomever - but unless the new people come in with idea and strategy, they also doomed for failure.

Want to join Exact? Well, go ahead ... after all, many companies also have problems.

It takes years for a company to establish a good mgmt system. It also require dedicated and commited employee to improve the company mgmt system. Exact is only here in Malaysia for less than 7 years (am I right? ). And it has the employee size of MNC / large company. So I think it will takes a few more years to actually make the mgmt system mature.

I think what Exact done in such a short time has been quite good,
- they got their number to fill in the vacancy they need to hire. they need to establish the base here in Malaysia. I think they have done that.
- they manage to come out with competitve salary package for all new hire (not to mix with their increment plan).
- they manage to migrate their development team to Malaysia

Overall, they have accomplish their objective to establish development center in Malaysia.

What they still lack of are:
- a proper career planning / benefit planning for all employee
- an establish core team of top mgmt to lead the company

They start the company in large number and manage to run it for many years... so there is nothing much to complaint about...

Manage a company with around 10-20 employees is different compare to manage companny with hundred of employees.

For those who started the company, their method might not please some party, but I think they are trying the best to establish the company as one... after all, trying to find a way that please hundred of employee is not going to be easy... Peace

Actually they have been around longer than that ... if not mistaken, ADC has been around since 1997 or 1998. Having worked there before, I have come to observe one thing about their "management system" - they don't trust the local managers, and the (ex)Dutch managers were running the place like kings.

The employees that they had are pretty good actually. Many of my ex-colleagues from Exact days are now doing great - many have risen to management posts in less than 3 years after leaving Exact. Like I said, Exact is a great place to learn - because it is run like a Chinaman company, so that means you do all the work and clean up all the shit (plus learn about politics along the way).

Are you sure Exact employee do all the work? From what I heard, their job is quite specific to their work function. Previously, I have been working in chinaman-like company but I do not think Exact is anywhere near that...

I heard that from 3 of my friends too. It is quite specific. Fresh grad might be good for stepping stone but it is not a good idea to stay long, he said.

I also used to work in Chinaman company - and when I was in Exact many years back, they used to run like a Chinaman company. They may have changed, but my friends in there tell me its still the same. They may have QA and programmer functions, but I do not think that it's so specific that the programmer just codes. I may be outdated, but this I just checked with my friends less than 1 week ago ...

At least we can agree that the management team there stinks ....

Yap... you are totally right... i resign few months ago.... when i read this post.... indeed and i totally agree with what u write here. the payroll manager really do nothing in the office... always walk here n there, hold coffee cup and peep female staff bra.... the victim is my best friend in ADC, the reception india girl and admin staff.... all 34th + 47th floor female....

So girl, just beware this guy who bring small caffee cup, run few round at pantry to take chance see girl bra. Just beware of this hamsapl00n.

i don't understand why company promote this useless guy to become manager. he just a shoe polisher and not good at functional. Know nothing about how's the payroll of NL run can be manager. Good bye and good luck ADC female staff...

Thanks alison619 for your support.
Actually this payroll manager very low profile and smart. He just sit quietly doing nothing so that no one notice him or complaint about him, and safely he pocket in lots of money just by doing nothing. I'm not sure he hamsap or not, but the way he smile you can tell it's so fake. I totally don't understand why the management don't want to give increament to their stuffs, instead they more willing to give to this kind of manager that do nothing.

then how did he make it to the top?
i'm very curious about this lar... maybe some manager likes him ler?