yup, you're definitely right! there's no perfect company and other companies might have their own problems. but seriously, there are better companies out there too!! think about it. i agree that those who are not happy with exact, resign!! cabut man.. what are you guys waiting for?

eerr.. are you related to Shrek3 ah? yup, what he says has truth in it but you like managers who talk about "balls" and threaten people right? good, then come join us then.. by the way, how much do you know Shrek3 if you're not working here?

hahaha.. dun worry CityManiac, just join in the "fun". By the way, i dislike and ashamed by the way "whoarewe?" speaks. even if you dislike or unhappy about something, please do it right. so think before you write or you'll just be like Shrek3. and i suggest you quit also since you're so unhappy there!

there's a reason why this forum came about like I said. the management is not as open as before. and if you complain to express your displeasure too much, you'll be blacklisted. many had experienced this before. by the way, have you read the entire forum and see what's all this about? what are the problems we face etc etc? i invite you to join exact if you can. do come and see for yourself.

hey, u think we can get a new job in an instant ah? if you're a nasi lemak tychoon's son then go ahead. moreover, we are bounded by 1.5 years contract... like i said .. have you been following the forum??? i can't be repeating the same points over and over again!

as for the person who blogs about the company, too bad for him. you're not too smart after all!!

CityManiac, garytong, zggyzgg & 6699 y u guys so offended when we talk about Exact? In fact, some of us did talk to Management, end up being blacklisted or asked to leave (as mentioned by spiderman3). And now we cant even talk in the forum izit?!?!??! For those who wants to join pls read this forum and see how the management acts.

We have freedom to write whatever we want to, i dont see any problem with Lawrence's blog. You management just scared the shit out of it when ppl are trying to disclose the true picture.

spiderman3, sorry, i will control my temper abit inorder not to become Shrek3.

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This post has been edited by garytong: Jun 12 2010, 05:12 PM

Indeed, we tot the 4 monkey era was bad. Was hoping to change a new Management. When we got to know some one new was gonna take over, we were happy. But we didnt expect it changed from bad to worse. Very disappointed. My personal opinion, the German and HR are not up to the standard to manage Exact.

The problem is the current management doesnt know what is their problems. I think they DO listen to us BUT do nothing. It affects the whole Exact in terms of morale, and reputation.

whoarewe?, dont be frustrated, we all the same, if we manage to find a job just leave in peace like everybody else.


This post has been edited by lcly: Jun 8 2007, 11:39 AM

this is what I call EDLC... an Exact Development Life Cycle

1. Old Exact - management by fear and other points
2. "mind map" ( or problem) identified by patel big boss & geng
3. communications task force in place (where are they now?)
4. "silver era"? (not golden yet since got production problem)
5. new boss - change processes
6. more new bosses - do they know about the "mind map" anyway?
7. Old Exact style (back to square one) - management by fear and other points created

Interesting forum... since u guys not satisfy with current management, why dun list out all ur unsatisfied thing at here. A least v can know how badly with the current management, and how they treat all the staff in the company. "whoarewe" and "spiderman3" can u guys list out all the bad thing? Let all the lowyat supporter and the HQ people know what is going on in Exact here?

Walaoeh!!!!

This is good man !!! This is the first time i read a forum that give so bad comment about a company, Exact.

I'm not working in this company but i know this company, i have few good friends working there, and, i'm working in the same building where Exact is.

All the comments made here are just bad things about the company, management and staff/managers.

Let's face it, this kind of issues exists in all the company, if not all, most of it. There are few hundres employees in the company, for sure there will be some politics, shoe polishers, etc, etc. Which company doesn't have this kind of issues ?

Most of you are right, especially "whoarewe", u have the right to hate the company, the management and the employees working in Exact; but let's face it, these kind of things exists everywhere, not only in a working place, it migt exists in your family that maybe you don't like your sister or your brother; it also exists among your friends where u might hate some of your friends.

Any company we work in, i'm pretty sure that there will be something that we do not like, there will be some policies that we do not like, there will be some processes that we do not like, and there will be some colleagues that we do not like. But then what the heck ? Everytime you have these kind of feeling, you will come to a forum and complaint about it ?

Don't forget, when u hate somebody, somebody might hate you too; and by saying bad things about a company in a public forum, using company resources to do so, it's not a wise way, and indeed you are not a wise person.

And one thing i want to mention, which is, things/processes/policy/collegues that are bad in your point of view, doesn't mean it is bad for everybody. For example, maybe you don't like the movie Pirates of the carribean, doesn't mean everyone doesn't like it too. You see that girl is not pretty, doesn't mean that everyone will think the same way too.

It is not fair to say bad things to a company, it is not fair for the company and not fair to other people that think this is a good company. Some people might think this is a bad company with bad management and managers, but some people think this is a good company with good management and good managers which cares about their staff. How about if there are few people saying a lot of good things about this company in this forum, then what other people will think ?

For people that hate this company, for sure you have your reasons. For those whole like this company, for sure there are reasons why they like it too. But i'm not saying that people that like this company are the one who got the most attention or the one who gets the most benefits, they might be some normal staffs (not management level) who are comfortable working in this company which they think this is a great company.

I knew that this company went through a restructuring process, and normally what people think about restructuring is a bad thing, most people will have the same equation : restructuring = bad.

Think about it, nobody plan for a failure, but only fail to plan. Restructuring or whatever you call it, it's not a bad thing, do you think that the management or the board will simply do a restructuring for fun ? Do you think that the management/board sit in a meeting and said "Hey guys, let's do something fun, let's restructure the company, that will be fun."

Management/board will always want a better environment for the staff, a better process to have more efficiency, increase profit, increase productivity, and restructuring is just one of the way to do it. Restructuring is not an easy task to do, i'm sure the management has put lots of effort to plan and try to make things happen to the better for everyone, don't forget the management/board are employee of the company too, if what they planned fails, they are responsible for it, and they might loose their job if bad things really happen.

Most of the people do not like changes, mostly for staff who works long enough in the company, because there have already used to the way they are doing things, and changes means they have to change their way of working they are so familiar with. And the one who doesn't like changes will eventually hate it.

But, bear in mind that a plan, or a well plan, doesn't mean it be successful at the end. No, this is not the case. A plan is just a road map or a guideline what to do next. Maybe at the middle of the plan, something went wrong and bad things happen (well, plan do fails), at this point of time, people who are affected by this will be the one who have lots of complaints (such as whoarewe). But let's face it, who can tell me whatever plan they do, sure will succeed !!!

Changes made (in this case, restructuring) to the company is not a 1 or 2 day task, it will take time, sometimes it might take years to see the effect; there will be some modifications to the plan wherever it fails, obstacles do happen, things that are planned might fail sometimes, this is normal; this even happen in our normal life. We are all adults, not fair to say that when plan fails, that means the management is bad.

I've also read somewhere here that saying there are shoe polishers, you are right, these kind of people do exists, not only in Exact, it exists everywhere. Some people want to climb up the ladder faster than anyone else, well, this is the easier way to do it. If the person who have his/her shoes polished and they like it, then what can you say?

Whichever company we work in, i'm pretty sure that there are things that we do not like, and don't forget, there are things that we like too. And i know that in Exact, there is a game room with foosball and xbox. Wow !!! How nice !!! I hope there is one in my company too. This is very good, this is the first time i've heard that a company set up a game room for their staffs, most of the company will want their staffs to work non-stop (if can), i've never heard a company would set up a game room for their staff to play and to have fun, this is surely a plus plus point. And the company is giving RM20 for their staff to do whatever event they want to do, this is also a great benefits; and recently i was told that there are FREE yoga class, FREE badminton, FREE futsal too. WOW !!!!!! Which company will really spend so much money for their staffs ? Well, at least not my company.

The bottom line is, bad things do happen in our life, not only in our working place. Do something and try to face it like a man, talk to somebody who has the power to make decision, if no action taken, talk to people with higher position, i've told by my friends that the new boss (andy if i'm not mistaken), is quite a nice guy who is open to any comment, and he take actions very fast. Hey, talking about this, i remember i've read in this forum saying that people are force to sing. But my friends told me that, nobody is forced to do so. You will not be fired if you don't sing. And recently there is no more singing, but a new thing came up, which is "FU-YOH". I think this is great, well, some people might think, am I working in MLM company ? Hahaha. Actually this is a way of raising our spirit, more motivation, not only MLM company do this, lots of company out there do this kind of things too.
If you don't like it, well, you no need to follow, and i think this will not affect your work, right ? If it is not affecting your work, then why complaint ? Maybe at some point in time during your work, when you accomplish something that you've worked on for some time, and you did it, you might say something to yourself such as "YES, YES, I DID IT". It's just that you say it to yourself, but not really shout it out, right ?

Wow, i've written so much, hahaha.. and i'm not even part of this company. But what i'm trying to say here is just my opinion.

I'm just glad I didn't join the company in the first place. Not to say the company is bad, but seeing there are problems and ppl like this in this company really gives a good impression that I made a right decision.

But I feel sorry for the other Exactians who has no problem with the management or the company culture- now ppl will have a bad perception about this company. And what's good left when u're can't be proud with what u doing for living?

well guys.. play nice nice..

I think you are a very young person, or a not so mature person, in terms of thinking. You think you've made a right decision for not joining the company because people saying bad things about the company. Mean if people saying good things about the company, then you will like to join ?

If you want to watch a movie, and you go ask people who had watched it whether its a good movie or not, some told you that it is a lowsy movie, and some says it is a great movie, then what do you do ? Watch or not watch ?

Bad for 1 person doesn't mean bad for other people. And good for 1 person doesn't mean good for others too. It is difficult to judge a company, even to judge some little thing, just from only a few people. There will be no perfect company which is perfect for everyone.

Again, I still prefer those who are not new here (see your post, not just registered new ID with 1 or 2 posts (all posts from the same topic: Exact software: is this a good company?)) to reply and give your/the sincere and fair opinion towards this company.

I hope all those from management of this company can accept this sincere and fair opinion, although I still doubt on them of having the capabilities to understand what is good management (because I don't think them (most of them) to have it) ... I can only see Fu Yoh management or management skill on selling/giving own-company nasi lemak/kuih to staff (don't you see this as conflict of interest here, direct or indirectly, especially those from high management? - don't ask me why I said it is conflict of interest for you, you must ask yourself sincerely, and no need to reply here for arguement because it is groundless for me to debate with you on the thing only you can answer by your sincere heart).

In on my opinion, Nasi lemak seller you are wrong here! Don't ever try to use your power to manipulate company resources in order to gain some benefit directly or indirectly. As Google said, you can do anything, but Don't be evil.

I hope you, besides learning the Microsoft stuffs, learn Google's as well, unless you are not willing to help Exactsoftware, but just come here for years and cheat pension of retirement. Don't be evil:



References:
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Be_Evil
2) Google founders' letter prior to their initial public offering

This post has been edited by wfwong: Jun 11 2007, 06:51 AM

Well, since the management don't find conflicts of interest is not a problem, we better don't bring it up otherwise ppl like garytong and 6699 will start asking us to leave.

2 cents worth of opinion, each of every one of us knows how much we love this country, for those who don't like, they can definitely choose to stay or to migrate. But how many of us can afford to migrate?! Question, if you are not happy about something in this country and someone starts asking u to migrate to other country if you don't like the way it is here, what would you feel. Pls think twice before you tell ppl to leave without knowing what the real story is behind. And the Best Part is you don't even work in Exact.

garytong, I don't think you are that smart either when you start calling ppl a dumber. And you purposely registered yourself under the name of "garytong" just to post something to prented like God. I really doubt it when you claimed yourself never used company resources to do you personal thing or even express you unhappiness towards your company during office hours.

I also pity your boy/girl friend or family who have you such a PERFECT guy. You are too perfect for a normal human being.

6699, How true your statement is? Are you the one being harassed?

garytong and 6699 should also apologise to Lawrence too because what you heard and what is really going on might be 2 different things.

I'm not working in this company but i know this company, i have few good friends working there, and, i'm working in the same building where Exact is.

walaoeh, you are welcome to join us if you think you are old and mature enough.

Join you ? You mean join Exact ?
Well, honestly speaking, i love to join Exact if i have the chance, but too bad i'm not working in IT line, means I am not an IT guy.

Yes sir, indeed, I consider myself as green most the time. But please make no mistake from my statement, I'm not saying I'm glad I didn't joined the company because people were talking bad about it. but as I said, there are problem between the management and their ppl going on in Exact. which I don't wish to be a part of it.

And if there are friends who are giving very good recommendation about one particular company, I wish to work with that company, reputation is one thing. - I wish to see myself stay long with one company.

I do depends on some friends recommendation or review from the net when try to choose for my job or even for my movie sometimes... - those who used to seat on the same room should known better.

And yes Sir, you're precisely right- if it's bad for 1 person doesn't mean it bad for others too. If I feel it doesn't suits me, doesn't mean it doesn't suit the others too.
my bad.

In this case, I don't think Exact is a bad company to work with, except MAYBE they just hired the wrong person- either the management or the ppl who express their feeling here. who knows..

Good luck to Exact, I hope they can sort this problem out.

haha.. good point msnice, i fully support you. but may be, we should join a company that most people saying bad things about, so to show that we are mature as base on the theory by walaoeh.

who is the most mature person here, that qualifed to tag others as not mature ? would you like the government to block you from access whatever information to make your own judgement saying that you are not mature enough to understand it ?

actually, at one hand, i hoping the management to share their thought here (which we already seen some here, although they pretend they are not from Exact/ management). but on the other hand, i think is better for the management to just keep quiet, or at least, think twice before speak up, so to avoid offend the public or show their narrow minded.

we join Exact and committed to put our full effort to make Exact a good company, but Exact dissapoint us by hiring some not qualified people to become the mangement. no, we have not lose all our hope for Exact yet, we still hoping it can sort this out, and we still waiting, but then, the mangement already starting to ask us to leave.

so, we share our thought here, voice our concern and disatisfaction. we belief, every public have the rights to know what is happening, to base on whatever information they can get, make their own judgement, because everyone here is mature enough to do so.

most interesting, sounds all too familiar
i'd like to throw in my 2 cents


2 parties can look at the same thing and come up with 2 different conclusions both true, they can both stand firm on their ground, nobody is wrong, it is just a matter of different "perception" - you might wanna read 7 habits of highly effective people

some other random thoughts, the same thing happens everywhere but of different degree, nothing is "fair" accept this reality

opportunities are most abundant in a chaotic/harsh environment than in a stable and organized environment, if you know what i'm saying

lcly, you are lawrence's friend ah ?

Lawrence is one biggest sxhai, blog about his eyes washing fantasy in LRT?
Bra shots in his blog? Shares it out to his colleagues? Everyone read his blog. All female colleagues freaked out after reading the blog. Use your brain a bit la ... and he removed the entry liao...

penggaram ? ham sap loh ? Imagine a hamsap loh in the office.

and again http://penggaram.0163286699.com/



This post has been edited by optimus_primee: Jun 14 2007, 12:01 AM

There's a manger that making people life miserable. I wonder you guys know this tranining manager? Last time when I came to training, he always always you when can finish this assignment that assignment. He thought this company is like his college.
Almost 1 week, three times he ask you. Now in his document team also the same issue. Always harras you by asking when you can finish the task. Every few day will ask you. That's why I said making peopl life miserable. Last time he got a small office now took over by HR.

He feel demoted. I heard he looking for job, maybe go back to college.