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post Jan 29 2016, 04:46 PM, updated 10y ago

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Praise God, All Glory and Honour to our Lord Jesus Christ, Saviour of the World, Prince of Peace and Mighty Counsellor, EVERLASTING GOD!

We have arrived in V11, thumbup.gif

Guys

We are here to fellowship, to reach out, to encourage, to strengthen one another and to be a Witness unto this lost world of the goodness and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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FAQ
Few simple RULES to follow in our fellowship thread.

1. No flaming/troll post please. Let's keep this fellowship thread clean, positive and encouraging, as the purpose is more for believers of Christ.
2. Do not argue about other religions please. People of other Faith are welcome to ask and enquire genuine questions or out of curiosity about Christianity.
3. What's discussed in here, stays in here.

Previous Threads
v10
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3599570
V09
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3485130
V08
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3393815
V07
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3197598
V06
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...&t=2621686&st=0
V05
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1758395

Good links to share:
http://www.opensong.org/

Opensong!!! It uses your WinXP's extended screen on the projector. So you have your controls in your laptop, and the screen on the projector. It also supports Chinese, and has songs packs and bible verses too, so you can project those verses on screen.

http://www.guitar4christ.com
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
a database of chords and lyrics for christian songs.

GodTV

http://www.god.tv/

Good TV

http://www.goodtv.tv/


Online Bibles!
English Bible (with multi lingual): http://www.biblegateway.com/

Indonesian/Malay Bible: http://alkitab.otak.info/

Arabic Bible: http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm
Dear Christians, please do let us know about u, like denominations, which church u r from and where is ur church located. Oh, beside that, do let us know what position are u holding in ur church, as in.. hmm pianist ? choral singer ? or even Pastor. tongue.gif

LYN Christ Followers List:
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(Please type in this template [so its easier for me to edit the list]: Username - Denomination | Church | Area Serve-in)
Either PM me or post to notify. But if after u've posted in this thread and I havent add u in the list, please PM me to notify me. Thanks. smile.gif

Christian Bookshops:
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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 05:33 PM)
Praise the Lord!
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I know bananajoe is Christian, now only you revealed. Welcome bro.

QUOTE(Nianiputput @ Jan 29 2016, 06:11 PM)
Why do muslims gets their mosques built on the country's taxes, whilst all other religion are to be privatized/self-funded?
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That's just the way the govt runs. But it's alright. God can prosper his people, so that they can give their tithes. There are many Christians who can testify how God has been consistent in complying the faith of his believers.

Are you a Christian btw?
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post Jan 29 2016, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Nianiputput @ Jan 29 2016, 07:29 PM)
Yes, I've been listening to pastor prince's sermons, and it has changed my life entirely, looking at Christianity in a whole new light. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWOzDZ0cRzw
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Welcome Bro.

It's good to see new people in here.
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I was about to open my pre downloaded tv series, the come across my mind about certain gospel hymn but can't really remember still try to refresh my memory about that certain hymn but can't find and ended up with this hymn called How Great Thou Art

A very powerful reminder How Great God Is



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Hi Everyone

If any of you wants to add in your name to the list follow this template


Your Name | Church | Area Serving / None



You can share your testimony of what God has done in your life
You can share your journey experience with God
You can share what you have learn about God's word

Or

We can just all Chit Chat n Fellowship.

Have Fun guys.
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QUOTE(friedmihun @ Jan 30 2016, 07:49 AM)
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Hallooooooo

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Hallo, we have move to V11, just fyi.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jan 25 2016, 02:02 PM)
Yes thanks for your understanding. This is what De Luffy has been missing my point.

Yesterday I was at church, and Pastor Chris delivered yet another sermon, which makes my eyes roll. He said serving would heal us from our pains. As what you've said, if serving takes our eyes from the problem, then what's differentiate serving from going to the gym and work your body out until you can't lift your hand? Many people go for under distractions, like I know a school friend who is suicidal but he goes to the gym and works very hard to forget his problems, he work so hard, one day, he accidentaly tore his muscle, when he could not go to the gym, his hands were trembling for him to cut his own wrist.

So in the same sense, a dude relying on gym to distract him from his problems, is no different from those guys I know who serve 110% at church to forget about their own problems. The problem is still there, they are just not taking it head on. Not figuring why is there the problem in the first place. As I know one dude at church, he is a socially awkward guy, he speaks openly about jumping down from a high rise building or other means of suicide. But you know what? When the members all hear, nobody took action, just sat there during gathering and ignored him. I reported this to the leadership, they just tell me to not take him seriously. Instead, they think by putting him into serving ministries, will heal him from his problems. Apa ini man? What happen to us lately?

Have we turned into a community of uncaring and uncountable brothers and sisters towards each others?

Then there's that borderline between forgivesness and having a big disagreement with the church?

Does forgiveness mean, being a YES MAN? Become one of them? Just drop all my assertions and believes and values for the sake of being submissive to the leadership of the church? Even though its eating up my soul? Agree with them and shut my mouth?

I had an interesting discussion during bible study 2 years ago, when a long serving christian at a prominent church in Damansara Heights, was part of the treasury committee in charge of funding the new building (apparently in bukit jalil). He told us that he had a big fight with the church, because he felt the church funds wasn't able to fund the new building and the funds could be use better for other ministries such as helping the poor. But everyone at the committee was a YES MAN. They approves the project. And you've read the papers, that church in many years struggled to build that new facility, and put the church into debt. Many years it was delayed. The dude who disagreed with them, left the church. Even today, people question the waste of money use to build this white elephant because they only use the building once a month.

And I haven't even bring up City Harvest.

Somehow at yesterdays sermon, the pastor missed the mark by 1000 miles. Yes I agree with him, the great commission, he wants to expand the church to 15000 people, wants to do church planting and want the church to be a blessing to the unbelievers, want to be a community light house, salt and light of the earth !

But what about looking inward? He talks about church planting and expansion but this cannot be achieve if he keeps on stretching the cell groups. Do you know what he calls the cell group? SMALL GROUP ! Now he's like making our cg size 3 to 7 people. I heard of the saying, WORK HARD and PLAY HARD. What's wrong with having a 20 person cg? Where's the diversity? Where's the comaderie? Instead I having to go to cg meeting every friday night, and only meet up with 3 people sitting at a sofa. It feels more like shrink therapy than a cg session. And you know how the cgs r instructed to conduct the cg session? Every friday, my cg leader would come up with very thought provoking questions aftern the sermon, end up heated debate among the few of us. Then I feel like I am being indoctrinated, 3 vs 1, to come back to the "good" side. I can only say without love, the church won't win the hearts and minds of its congregation. We may just say yes to them, but we all be like a robot and just take instructions, things are not going to be implemented right.

The cg groups have already been stretched thin, and the pastor still want to multiply. Is he dreaming or what?

When I mean stretch thin, I mean not the work nor the commitments we are all taking. In fact, we would be glad to take up more and more serving at the church. But please don't take away the fellowship of the cg, for goodness sake. Why multiply the cg every 2 years? Before I even have the chance to blend and connect with others, they are already in the other cg. Shouldn't we deserve to have some fun at church, some laughter, some friendship?

Instead of having to come to cg lonely? No chinese new year dinner or celebration, we just come every friday are debate.

Forgiveness doesn't mean agree everything with the church. And how far do we submit, before the damage is done? The kind of damage that City Harvest have done. If anyone were to question the church policies, that person is regarded as a rebel, an argumentative and divisive persona and a distruptor who doesn't understand the bible.
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Serving in ministry is not a distraction. It is to keep our eyes on our Lord Jesus. Because we're serving God not man. And we cannot serve with the strength of the Flesh because we live by the Spirit of God and that will involve you spending time with God. It take relationship to be close to God not just coming to Church and getting involved in ministry.

How long since you've actually spend time with God?

Because if you don't do that, your focus in life is inevitably in this world and that will translate in your character.

Kron, I think you have to deal with this issue that you have, with God. Spend some time and talk to Him until you do that, you'll never get out of this cycle.

Forgiveness would involve humility as well, it is not a Yes Man but it is working within the framework of Church authority.

I believe DUMC being part Methodist, they do have nurturing class for inward development. Bro just stop complaining and start thinking how you can be a blessing to others.

Jesus did say threat others as how you want to be treated. Think and Meditate is what Christ is trying to say here. Go and pray about it don't retaliate reply to this so fast.

Just meditate on this verse.

Matthew 7:12 (NIV) - So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.


You want people to embrace you in friendship then you START and do that first and do it FIRST consistently.

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This hymn suits someone who is so stubbornly refused to work with other or respect other especially those older than them
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This hymn suits someone who is so stubbornly refused to work with other or respect other especially those older than them
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Would you trust in Jesus wholeheartedly? I found this hymn and the inner meaning that we should trust and obey His command trust and obey
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Would you trust in Jesus wholeheartedly? I found this hymn and the inner meaning that we should trust and obey His command trust and obey
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Would you trust in Jesus wholeheartedly? I found this hymn and the inner meaning that we should trust and obey His command trust and obey
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Let say I'm suspecting some cult division is trying to mislead the public.
Who should I report to?
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:04 PM)
Let say I'm suspecting some cult division is trying to mislead the public.
Who should I report to?
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how sure are you? if you are not sure pray ask God for guidance
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:04 PM)
Let say I'm suspecting some cult division is trying to mislead the public.
Who should I report to?
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how sure are you? if you are not sure pray ask God for guidance
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:04 PM)
Let say I'm suspecting some cult division is trying to mislead the public.
Who should I report to?
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how sure are you? if you are not sure pray ask God for guidance,

If it was in the church you can talk to the pastor in charge or church leader

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jan 30 2016, 01:09 PM)
how sure are you? if you are not sure pray ask God for guidance
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Are there anyone or christian association that I can contact?
I'm not christian but I have few years experience in a church so I have the basic knowledge of christian
How sure am I? I should let the professional be the judge.
I just want to inform them and I will let them handle the rest
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It's not in a church but rather those house to house preacher which preach something out of the context.
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:13 PM)
Are there anyone or christian association that I can contact?
I'm not christian but I have few years experience in a church so I have the basic knowledge of christian
How sure am I? I should let the professional be the judge.
I just want to inform them and I will let them handle the rest
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Misleading the public, it's very normal many cults church today luring the public with their theology.........I have a friend whose mother was part of cult church as well.

if you think that this cult division is doing a very dangerous thing that endanger the public, go make a police report.........other than that as i stated above it's pretty normal as christian organisations can't really do anything
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:13 PM)
Are there anyone or christian association that I can contact?
I'm not christian but I have few years experience in a church so I have the basic knowledge of christian
How sure am I? I should let the professional be the judge.
I just want to inform them and I will let them handle the rest
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Misleading the public, it's very normal many cults church today luring the public with their theology.........I have a friend whose mother was part of cult church as well.

if you think that this cult division is doing a very dangerous thing that endanger the public, go make a police report.........other than that as i stated above it's pretty normal as christian organisations can't really do anything
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:13 PM)
Are there anyone or christian association that I can contact?
I'm not christian but I have few years experience in a church so I have the basic knowledge of christian
How sure am I? I should let the professional be the judge.
I just want to inform them and I will let them handle the rest
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Misleading the public, it's very normal many cults church today luring the public with their theology.........I have a friend whose mother was part of cult church as well.

if you think that this cult division is doing a very dangerous thing that endanger the public, go make a police report.........other than that as i stated above it's pretty normal as christian organisations can't really do anything
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:14 PM)
It's not in a church but rather those house to house preacher which preach something out of the context.
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Ok, does they carry umbrella all the time? it yes, i know which group was it, they are from Jehovah Witness cult church or more known as JW. You can't really do anything about it
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jan 30 2016, 01:22 PM)
Ok, does they carry umbrella all the time? it yes, i know which group was it, they are from Jehovah Witness cult church or more known as JW. You can't really do anything about it
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No, they are from the Church of God which preaches about Mother of God

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They seems to be very active in my township which knock on the doors and also standing by the roadside everyday to spread their ideology
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One of the reason I want to report to the relevant authority is that my township consist of 75% of student that is easily manipulated by the cult followers where they even held a so called Korean Heritage Day in a hotel to lure youngsters into the events. Although I did not attend the event, many who have been there have told me that it is held by the Church of God to preach about their ideology.
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:30 PM)
One of the reason I want to report to the relevant authority is that my township consist of 75% of student that is easily manipulated by the cult followers where they even held a so called Korean Heritage Day in a hotel to lure youngsters into the events. Although I did not attend the event, many who have been there have told me that it is held by the Church of God to preach about their ideology.
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Well, the church organisations can't do anything about it, what you can do is report a police or tell the college management
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:30 PM)
One of the reason I want to report to the relevant authority is that my township consist of 75% of student that is easily manipulated by the cult followers where they even held a so called Korean Heritage Day in a hotel to lure youngsters into the events. Although I did not attend the event, many who have been there have told me that it is held by the Church of God to preach about their ideology.
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Well, the church organisations can't do anything about it, what you can do is report a police or tell the college management
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:30 PM)
One of the reason I want to report to the relevant authority is that my township consist of 75% of student that is easily manipulated by the cult followers where they even held a so called Korean Heritage Day in a hotel to lure youngsters into the events. Although I did not attend the event, many who have been there have told me that it is held by the Church of God to preach about their ideology.
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Well, the church organisations can't do anything about it, what you can do is report a police or tell the college management
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 01:30 PM)
One of the reason I want to report to the relevant authority is that my township consist of 75% of student that is easily manipulated by the cult followers where they even held a so called Korean Heritage Day in a hotel to lure youngsters into the events. Although I did not attend the event, many who have been there have told me that it is held by the Church of God to preach about their ideology.
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Well, the church organisations can't do anything about it, what you can do is report a police or tell the college management
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jan 30 2016, 02:15 PM)
Well, the church organisations can't do anything about it, what you can do is report a police or tell the college management
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Are there any major church organizations in Malaysia that I can contact?
Whether they can do anything, its up to them to decide. Not you or me.
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 02:30 PM)
Are there any major church organizations in Malaysia that I can contact?
Whether they can do anything, its up to them to decide. Not you or me.
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http://ccmalaysia.org/

http://www.cfmmsia.org/


Luffy is right, we're not like Islam using Legal Law in religion, there's a reason for it and it's wisdom not to.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 30 2016, 02:42 PM)
http://ccmalaysia.org/

http://www.cfmmsia.org/
Luffy is right, we're not like Islam using Legal Law in religion, there's a reason for it and it's wisdom not to.
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Are those two the same organisation?
because i see the address is the same
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QUOTE(Kendall @ Jan 30 2016, 02:48 PM)
Are those two the same organisation?
because i see the address is the same
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Different CCM under CFM.

U can try contact CFM.

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u better scan ur pc with malware bytes and u can try Avast A.Virus.

Do a complete full scan. May take hours but should solve ur pc lag issues that may have caused 3-4 same postings
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 30 2016, 03:09 PM)
De_Luffy

u better scan ur pc with malware bytes and u can try Avast A.Virus.

Do a complete full scan. May take hours but should solve ur pc lag issues that may have caused 3-4 same postings
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i;m using avast internet security, it's not the pc problem but rather my mouse, it has clicking problem
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jan 30 2016, 03:10 PM)
i;m using avast internet security, it's not the pc problem but rather my mouse, it has clicking problem
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Now we know why we need a new thread i think 90 percent is your post tongue.gif .

Anyways congrats on the new thread. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jan 30 2016, 05:53 PM)
Now we know why we need a new thread i think 90 percent is your post  tongue.gif .

Anyways congrats on the new thread.  rclxms.gif
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He's at No. 4 in post contributed.

partly tinarhian fault for posting so much after me. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 30 2016, 07:42 PM)
He's at No. 4 in post contributed.

partly tinarhian fault for posting so much after me.  laugh.gif
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and we know how he cheated his way up to number 4 eh brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif tongue.gif
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De_Luffy you can get good mouse at about RM25, brand is AVF in lowyat or Lazada.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 30 2016, 07:52 PM)
De_Luffy you can get good mouse at about RM25, brand is AVF in lowyat or Lazada.
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the facts is i just bought this mouse almost 1 or 2 years ago quite expensive too Razer brand.........i think gonna switch to normal mouse already maybe switch back to logitech, i already prepared 1 normal logitech mouse last month
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jan 30 2016, 11:14 PM)
the facts is i just bought this mouse almost 1 or 2 years ago quite expensive too Razer brand.........i think gonna switch to normal mouse already maybe switch back to logitech, i already prepared 1 normal logitech mouse last month
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Don't have to buy so expensive bro.

Those Rm25-30 nowadays good enough, even for gaming.


Serious.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 30 2016, 11:19 PM)
Don't have to buy so expensive bro.

Those Rm25-30 nowadays good enough, even for gaming.
Serious.

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i used logitech before until it failed me once in just less than a year
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 30 2016, 11:19 PM)
Don't have to buy so expensive bro.

Those Rm25-30 nowadays good enough, even for gaming.
Serious.

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i used logitech before until it failed me once in just less than a year
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jan 31 2016, 12:42 AM)
i used logitech before until it failed me once in just less than a year
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That's AVG brand not logitech.

That's why IMO mouse don't have to be expensive.
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seen previously all they give was ointment for your feet, it pointless
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Shouldn't you see a foot doctor or something?

You need to change your food diet and try to do simple exercise first.
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AVF? What brand is that? hmm.gif

I only used wireless Logitech and Microsoft mouse. hehe...
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De_Luffy

u better scan ur pc with malware bytes and u can try Avast A.Virus.

Do a complete full scan. May take hours but should solve ur pc lag issues that may have caused 3-4 same postings
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Is Avast any good? I'm using Eset and Malwarebytes. Paid version.
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AVF? What brand is that?  hmm.gif

I only used wireless Logitech and Microsoft mouse. hehe...
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Malaysian Brand.
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Is Avast any good? I'm using Eset and Malwarebytes. Paid version.
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I'm trying to get Malwarebytes Paid version in malaysia, can't find it.

Yeah Avast is okay for me.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 31 2016, 02:19 AM)
Malaysian Brand.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 31 2016, 02:21 AM)
I'm trying to get Malwarebytes Paid version in malaysia, can't find it.

Yeah Avast is okay for me.
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I bought it online dude. They got 2 years subscription.
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Wow! This is cheap!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/149...9391488&sr=8-17
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Wow! This is cheap!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/149...9391488&sr=8-17
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If you earn in Deutsche mark of course.

If you earn in RM.....gg.
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Misleading the public, it's very normal many cults church today luring the public with their theology.........I have a friend whose mother was part of cult church as well.

if you think that this cult division is doing a very dangerous thing that endanger the public, go make a police report.........other than that as i stated above it's pretty normal as christian organisations can't really do anything
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Cult are pretty scary if you think of it... sweat.gif

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-s...eligious-cults/
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If you earn in Deutsche mark of course.

If you earn in RM.....gg.
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Well I earn in Euros. hehe...

Ah ringgit...When will it recover?
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Well I earn in Euros. hehe...

Ah ringgit...When will it recover?
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So you guys celebrating Chinese New Year? According to my relatives, this year they are spending less compared to last year.

This year will be my last year to receive angpow. cry.gif
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So you guys celebrating Chinese New Year? According to my relatives, this year they are spending less compared to last year.

This year will be my last year to receive angpow.  cry.gif
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First year, give double portion.

Chinese custom.

hue hue hue hue.

Thank God that was ages ago for me.

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kay gtg. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 31 2016, 02:43 AM)
First year, give double portion.

Chinese custom.

hue hue hue hue.

Thank God that was ages ago for me.

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kay gtg. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Huh? Who give double portion?

But I'm not Chinese.
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Yay new thread!

and I slowpoke sweat.gif
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i used logitech before until it failed me once in just less than a year
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1 year for basic mouse quite average I think? Regular mouse users really can't expect a long lifespan.

Also Razer mouse are rather crappy in general. Don't buy them.

UW is right 30 ringgit can get a reasonably good gaming mouse. Even if it lasts for 1 year, it's just 30 ringgit divided by 12 months. That's about 6 ringgit a month. Drink water also cost more than that laugh.gif

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Huh? Who give double portion?

But I'm not Chinese.
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You're gonna get married to a Chinese so him being the head of the household would mean to follow Chinese tradition.

Oh anyway, it's just 1 time to show the grand transition from single to married. Makes you the one who is in the position more blessed to give.

Horizontally among Man/Women, it's more blessed to Give.

Vertically with God, it's more blessed to receive. (important principal)
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jan 31 2016, 07:29 AM)
1 year for basic mouse quite average I think? Regular mouse users really can't expect a long lifespan.

Also Razer mouse are rather crappy in general. Don't buy them.

UW is right 30 ringgit can get a reasonably good gaming mouse. Even if it lasts for 1 year, it's just 30 ringgit divided by 12 months. That's about 6 ringgit a month. Drink water also cost more than that laugh.gif
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Yeah I know that, just that hard to get a good mouse nowadays coz when i buy thing i expect the shelf life to be at least 1 year not half year which is annoying........i'm not really a hardcore gamer just that i watch tv series alot and movies downloaded online
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jan 31 2016, 10:18 AM)
Yeah I know that, just that hard to get a good mouse nowadays coz when i buy thing i expect the shelf life to be at least 1 year not half year which is annoying........i'm not really a hardcore gamer just that i watch tv series alot and movies downloaded online
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So far so good bro.

Mine not pricey but still working by god's grace.

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You're gonna get married to a Chinese so him being the head of the household would mean to follow Chinese tradition.

Oh anyway, it's just 1 time to show the grand transition from single to married. Makes you the one who is in the position more blessed to give.

Horizontally among Man/Women, it's more blessed to Give.

Vertically with God, it's more blessed to receive. (important principal)
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He's ABC. He's more Westerner than a Chinese. hehe...

I'm fine with tradition. Yeah, giving angpow like Santa Claus. rclxm9.gif

Didn't the Bible mentioned that its better to give?
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He's ABC. He's more Westerner than a Chinese. hehe...

I'm fine with tradition. Yeah, giving angpow like Santa Claus.  rclxm9.gif

Didn't the Bible mentioned that its better to give?
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Give God or Man?
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Give God or Man?
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Acts 20:35 NIV

In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'
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Finally changed to a normal mouse, then only better clicking and hope this new regular mouse no give any problem like the previous
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jan 31 2016, 11:12 PM)
Acts 20:35 NIV

In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'
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Notice the word weak? Since when God is weak?

More Bless to Give Man.

More Bless to receive from God.
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Finally changed to a normal mouse, then only better clicking and hope this new regular mouse no give any problem like the previous
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AVF?
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Notice the word weak? Since when God is weak?

More Bless to Give Man.

More Bless to receive from God.
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Uhm, it didn't mention that God is weak.

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AVF?
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nah, just a normal regular logitech mouse.....after years been used to multiple buttons now back to basic mouse once again fingers just not used to it yet
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Uhm, it didn't mention that God is weak.

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So exactly, therefore More Bless to Give is towards Man, not God.


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Happy blessed Monday friends
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Happy blessed Monday friends
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Who here enjoy Monday Holiday? wave.gif rclxm9.gif
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Jeremiah 17:7 (NIV) - But blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him.

Faith as small as mustard seed is enough for God to act on your behalf.
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Who here enjoy Monday Holiday?  wave.gif  rclxm9.gif
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just discharge from hospital yesterday morning....today im working...SELANGOR....
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just discharge from hospital yesterday morning....today im working...SELANGOR....
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What happened?
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What happened?
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since 3 weeks ago, start to have fever, from 38c to 42c (hike as fast as our inflation rate).

then admitted to hospital for few blood tesst.

not h1n1, not influenza, not dengue (and definitely not HIV/AIDs - i dont cheong).

then later went to x-ray, and dr diagnosed its Pneumonia.

Pneumonia is a lung infection that can make you very sick. You may cough, run a fever, and have a hard time breathing.

You can get pneumonia in your daily life, such as at school or work. It may be more severe because you already are ill. This topic focuses on pneumonia you get in your daily life.

Germs called bacteria or viruses usually cause pneumonia.

last friday went for the final x-ray, and my lungs are cleared.


just feel bad luck, cz in 6mths, hospitalized 2 times. Last year end issue, was the worst. i cant even remember any1 except for my fiance and mum. totally empty in my brain. dr need to tied my hands, legs, body, and cover my mouth with mask, cz i am just too violent in the hospital.
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Feb 1 2016, 01:01 PM)
since 3 weeks ago, start to have fever, from 38c to 42c (hike as fast as our inflation rate).

then admitted to hospital for few blood tesst.

not h1n1, not influenza, not dengue (and definitely not HIV/AIDs - i dont cheong).

then later went to x-ray, and dr diagnosed its Pneumonia.

Pneumonia is a lung infection that can make you very sick. You may cough, run a fever, and have a hard time breathing. 

You can get pneumonia in your daily life, such as at school or work.  It may be more severe because you already are ill. This topic focuses on pneumonia you get in your daily life.

Germs called bacteria or viruses usually cause pneumonia.

last friday went for the final x-ray, and my lungs are cleared.
just feel bad luck, cz in 6mths, hospitalized 2 times. Last year end issue, was the worst. i cant even remember any1 except for my fiance and mum. totally empty in my brain. dr need to tied my hands, legs, body, and cover my mouth with mask, cz i am just too violent in the hospital.
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Ouch, need to take care, Pneumonia is very dangerous if untreated icon_rolleyes.gif

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So exactly, therefore More Bless to Give is towards Man, not God.
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Well yeah. Why are repeating yourself?
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Well yeah. Why are repeating yourself?
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Pls pray for me.
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Ok I will. Take heart that God will take care of us.
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My body so tired after 2 weeks of military diet. I only lost 2kg. What the heck?!


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My body so tired after 2 weeks of military diet. I only lost 2kg. What the heck?!
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When I fast

I find that I lost weight faster than whatever those slimming beauty center can offer.

You might want to try fasting. Works wonder.
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When I fast

I find that I lost weight faster than whatever those slimming beauty center can offer.

You might want to try fasting. Works wonder.
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I tried that. I get stomach cramps. It hurts like menstruation. ohmy.gif

Well my weight yo-yo from 60kg to 65kg, to 60kg again, then Xmas, its up to 65kg.

Few weeks back it was 75kg. Then now its 72kg.

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I tried that. I get stomach cramps. It hurts like menstruation.  ohmy.gif

Well my weight yo-yo from 60kg to 65kg, to 60kg again, then Xmas, its up to 65kg.

Few weeks back it was 75kg. Then now its 72kg.

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Can try to Fast from eating but drink plenty of water.
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Can try to Fast from eating but drink plenty of water.
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I think I need to cut down on my beer and wine too.

But I got lots of work. How am I going to fast? Between meals, I snacked on peanuts. tongue.gif

When I start to fast, my body feels weak dude.
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Feb 1 2016, 01:01 PM)

last friday went for the final x-ray, and my lungs are cleared.
just feel bad luck, cz in 6mths, hospitalized 2 times. Last year end issue, was the worst. i cant even remember any1 except for my fiance and mum. totally empty in my brain. dr need to tied my hands, legs, body, and cover my mouth with mask, cz i am just too violent in the hospital.
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What the heck?! Kinda like the movie Exorcist? shocking.gif


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I tried that. I get stomach cramps. It hurts like menstruation.  ohmy.gif

Well my weight yo-yo from 60kg to 65kg, to 60kg again, then Xmas, its up to 65kg.

Few weeks back it was 75kg. Then now its 72kg.

vmad.gif
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It's all because of your greed brows.gif
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Hey guys, a repeat of what I have posted in V10. Kindly advise me if this is not a thread.

I attended Hillsong Conference 2015 in Sydney and was really blessed so I decided to buy the 2016 ticket by faith, not knowing if I am able to take off.

However this year I got transferred to a new hospital so we are lack of staff. Therefore I am not able to take leave for Hillsong Conference 2016 (Their 30th conference anniversary) as it falls on Hari Raya week.

So here I am letting go my ticket at a discounted rate.

Purchase price: AUD239.00
Current price: AUD319.00

Willing to let go for: AUD200.00

Venue: Allphones Arena, Sydney
Dates: July 5th - July 8th 2016

For more info regarding the guests and speakers, kindly visit
http://hillsong.com/conference/sydney/

PM me if anyone is interested. Would appreciate it if you could spread the words to your church members or cell group friends!

Thank you!

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Gluttony is a sin.

I can't resist my mum home cooked meals and my grandma German dessert. brows.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 1 2016, 10:29 PM)
Gluttony is a sin.

I can't resist my mum home cooked meals and my grandma German dessert.  brows.gif
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In facts we all do when come to home cooked foods shocking.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(voyage23 @ Feb 1 2016, 08:48 PM)
Hey guys, a repeat of what I have posted in V10. Kindly advise me if this is not a thread.

I attended Hillsong Conference 2015 in Sydney and was really blessed so I decided to buy the 2016 ticket by faith, not knowing if I am able to take off.

However this year I got transferred to a new hospital so we are lack of staff. Therefore I am not able to take leave for Hillsong Conference 2016 (Their 30th conference anniversary) as it falls on Hari Raya week.

So here I am letting go my ticket at a discounted rate.

Purchase price: AUD239.00
Current price: AUD319.00

Willing to let go for: AUD200.00

Venue: Allphones Arena, Sydney
Dates: July 5th - July 8th 2016

For more info regarding the guests and speakers, kindly visit
http://hillsong.com/conference/sydney/

PM me if anyone is interested. Would appreciate it if you could spread the words to your church members or cell group friends!

Thank you!
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Dear Bro, I know someone who might be able to join. Will ask my Uncle who stayed in Australia if he is interested to get it........

One more thing to to take note of is your ticket are free seating or numbered seating?
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In facts we all do when come to home cooked foods shocking.gif  drool.gif
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My mum cooked all my favourite Malaysian dishes, ie, pork curry, rendang, chinese fried rice, bak kut teh, etc. shocking.gif brows.gif

vmad.gif I hate you mum. You made me fat.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 2 2016, 12:12 AM)
Dear Bro, I know someone who might be able to join. Will ask my Uncle who stayed in Australia if he is interested to get it........

One more thing to to take note of is your ticket are free seating or numbered seating?
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All the seats are free seating and will be rotated throughout the conference so that everyone gets a chance to have the best view at least once. Thanks a lot!
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All the seats are free seating and will be rotated throughout the conference so that everyone gets a chance to have the best view at least once. Thanks a lot!
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ah I see, ok noted....will ask my uncle next day biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 2 2016, 12:13 AM)
My mum cooked all my favourite Malaysian dishes, ie, pork curry, rendang, chinese fried rice, bak kut teh, etc.  shocking.gif  brows.gif

vmad.gif I hate you mum. You made me fat.
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malaysian foods are irrestible, you know when I went to australia for vacation few years back how i craved for rice and malaysian foods cry.gif
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Hi guys, just wondering, most of you from KL, or other places? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(3388 @ Feb 2 2016, 09:54 AM)
Hi guys, just wondering, most of you from KL, or other places?  rolleyes.gif
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Mostly Klang Valley, some KL, Some PJ, One from Klang, One from Oversea.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 1 2016, 11:57 AM)
But the church is making it into a distraction. They are saying Serving in Ministries, is the antidote to your problems. The worse part of it, they are making all the congregation feel guilty for not serving. They are always repeating in their message, "when you serve you are blessed, don't always expect to receive". Are we to go to church each day, thinking that we have a Bank account with God? If I don't serve enough then I have a bank account deficit with God. If I overserve, then I can feel comfortable because my Bank account with God is in surplus, I can rest on my laurels?

This is exactly what the church is preaching : " You are not serving enough, you are always coming here to receive, you must give give and give, and not expect to receive. You have no right to receive". I have heard some members left DUMC because the repeated message of guilt. We are people free of SIN, why keep on pestering this "guilt" message to us????

And who is heck says, we don't deserve to receive? We are entitled to receive God's redemptive message, the release from sin that Jesus gave us, when he sacrificed himself on the cross.

We serve out of the generate sense of love for God and kindness for the people around us. Not because we want to increase our account in HEAVEN. Its no wonder, the people serving, are so lack of genuineness, so lack of self belief, burn out and only interested to do it for their own self interest.

Bro, its very hard to be a blessing to others, when others, are so selfish because of the guilt message portrayed by the church. This is what most churches are relaying to its members, they are using the DUMC formula.

You know what's the worse part? Yesterday the Pastor was talking about being a blessing to the unbelievers, help them, serve them as a community. Yes this part I agree, but what the heck happen to being a blessing among us brothers and sisters in Christ? Are we to neglect that? Its no surprise to me, that they are always playing politics at church because of the unkindness among the brethren that goes around.
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Then just ignore whichever part of the message that doesn't edify you. But that doesn't mean you cannot be a blessings to others. People look up to guys like that. Despite whatever "injustice", you can be calm, cool, collected and Christ centred.

No, stop talking negativity and start living instead of complaining. Learn the principal to properly divide in your life. To separate and divide what is weed and what is chaf and yet remaining humble and loving others as well as forgiving. Always walk in this virtues. That's a Bible principle btw.

If you refuse to do that, you only creates more gongs and resounding cymbals. 1 Corinthians 13:1

How long you want to live in bitterness? Being bitter on the Church, the people indirectly means that you are saying you can handle the situation yourself and put God aside.

That is not the Christian life.

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 2 2016, 01:10 AM)
ah I see, ok noted....will ask my uncle next day biggrin.gif
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It's sold. Thanks a lot ya.
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It's sold. Thanks a lot ya.
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post Feb 3 2016, 01:59 PM

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Gong Xi Gong Xi
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 3 2016, 01:59 PM)
Gong Xi Gong Xi


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So what Chinese Zodiac are you?
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So what Chinese Zodiac are you?
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Human.
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post Feb 3 2016, 09:48 PM

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Human.
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No trolling in Serious Kopitiam. vmad.gif
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No trolling in Serious Kopitiam.  vmad.gif
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did you see the music video? it's nice.
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did you see the music video? it's nice.
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Yeah I did.

You know I tried fasting yesterday and today. After 6 hours, I hallucinated. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 3 2016, 10:09 PM)
Yeah I did.

You know I tried fasting yesterday and today. After 6 hours, I hallucinated.  laugh.gif
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The bacon must have come alive.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 3 2016, 10:12 PM)
The bacon must have come alive.
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Oh yeah, I was hallucinating on food. I imagined that my cats were roasted piglets and my brother was eating pizza in front of me.

Fasting is no fun dude.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 3 2016, 10:17 PM)
Oh yeah, I was hallucinating on food. I imagined that my cats were roasted piglets and my brother was eating pizza in front of me.

Fasting is no fun dude.
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but powerful if you fast for prayer.

Takes discipline, yeah it's hard if you've never done it before but after 2-3, on the 4th attempt it gets easier.

Fasting involve a lot of humility. It's an extra bonus to slim down too.
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talking about bacon, today I tried to cook rice on my own. I do know how to cook rice just that the amount of water I'm abit poor on it......so i washed the rice until no more white liquid then come the water part not sure about how the water should be so just agak agak lar failed become half rice half porrigde gobled up all of it
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oh forget to add, i see it look like porridge so i added few slice of bacons on top of the half rice and half porridge........very filling
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 4 2016, 12:24 AM)
oh forget to add, i see it look like porridge so i added few slice of bacons on top of the half rice and half porridge........very filling
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Hahaha sometimes I prefer that kind of softness if my perut sakit tongue.gif

Guarenteed no indigestion.
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Amazing Harmony.

1 Peter 3:8 (NIV) - Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 4 2016, 02:07 AM)
Hahaha sometimes I prefer that kind of softness if my perut sakit tongue.gif

Guarenteed no indigestion.
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Well, i think i cooked about 1 cup of rice.......got some dishes eat most of it, not really filling but just enough to cover my tummy hunger
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 4 2016, 09:58 AM)
Well, i think i cooked about 1 cup of rice.......got some dishes eat most of it, not really filling but just enough to cover my tummy hunger
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Isn't 1 cup of rice a lot? @_@

Then again I really small eater so always below average of malaysians.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 4 2016, 08:03 PM)
Isn't 1 cup of rice a lot? @_@

Then again I really small eater so always below average of malaysians.
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not your regular cup size but more like quarter cup in regular term
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 4 2016, 11:56 PM)
not your regular cup size but more like quarter cup in regular term
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Did you know that rice is high in carbohydrate? Doesn't even matter if its white or brown.

Rice also has a high glycemic index, which in turn increase your blood sugar levels.

I stopped eating rice since last year. But if my mum cooked Chinese fried rice, then I give in. cry.gif
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Amazing Harmony.

1 Peter 3:8 (NIV) - Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble.

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rclxms.gif Wow! Even the Banglas know how to speak Mandarin.


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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 4 2016, 11:56 PM)
not your regular cup size but more like quarter cup in regular term
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Oh that's normal portion, correct.

QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 5 2016, 12:15 AM)
Did you know that rice is high in carbohydrate? Doesn't even matter if its white or brown.

Rice also has a high glycemic index, which in turn increase your blood sugar levels.

I stopped eating rice since last year. But if my mum cooked Chinese fried rice, then I give in.  cry.gif
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Hey don't forget rice fed the entire continent of Asia for thousands and thousands of years biggrin.gif. Our population beat the rest of the world.

In all seriousness, it's all about portioning. Starch is important for energy and rice is one of those cheap starch sources. A lot of hard labourers eat tons of rice to get through the day.

Speaking of rice, there's actually a poll of rice-per-capita consumption around the world. You should check it out.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 5 2016, 12:17 AM)
rclxms.gif Wow! Even the Banglas know how to speak Mandarin.
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Correction not bangla but malay
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 5 2016, 01:46 AM)
Oh that's normal portion, correct.
Hey don't forget rice fed the entire continent of Asia for thousands and thousands of years biggrin.gif. Our population beat the rest of the world.

In all seriousness, it's all about portioning. Starch is important for energy and rice is one of those cheap starch sources. A lot of hard labourers eat tons of rice to get through the day.

Speaking of rice, there's actually a poll of rice-per-capita consumption around the world. You should check it out.
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yeap correct, no matter how i still like my rice
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 5 2016, 12:17 AM)
rclxms.gif Wow! Even the Banglas know how to speak Mandarin.
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kek, ha ha ha bangla. rolleyes.gif they're malays..

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Very Powerful Testimony of a Heart condition doctors says incurable.

Incurable according to Man but curable according to God Almighty. flex.gif



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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 5 2016, 01:46 AM)
Oh that's normal portion, correct.
Hey don't forget rice fed the entire continent of Asia for thousands and thousands of years biggrin.gif. Our population beat the rest of the world.

In all seriousness, it's all about portioning. Starch is important for energy and rice is one of those cheap starch sources. A lot of hard labourers eat tons of rice to get through the day.

Speaking of rice, there's actually a poll of rice-per-capita consumption around the world. You should check it out.
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I understand hard labourers consumed lots of rice because its cheap and a great energy source. That's ok because they will burn off the calories.

On the other hand, common people consumed lots of rice but do not burn off the calories. whistling.gif

http://irri.org/rice-today/trends-in-global-rice-consumption

QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 5 2016, 08:47 AM)
Correction not bangla but malay
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shocking.gif What the duck?! Seriously I thought he's a Bangla.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 5 2016, 09:14 AM)
kek, ha ha ha bangla.  rolleyes.gif they're malays..
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blush.gif Are you sure he's not Bangla?
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 5 2016, 08:48 AM)
yeap correct, no matter how i still like my rice
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In moderation. Don't gobble it up like a mad men.

Say, have you tried fasting? I heard fasting is great for the body. Plus, coupled it with a powerful prayer you can achieve weight loss effectively.

hehehe...
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Very Powerful Testimony of a Heart condition doctors says incurable.

Incurable according to Man but curable according to God Almighty.  flex.gif


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Heart valve defect?! sweat.gif

Wow! Show this to Simpledude and Spike. brows.gif
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Heart valve defect?!  sweat.gif

Wow! Show this to Simpledude and Spike.  brows.gif
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Bible says even if the dead appear to them to share the gospel, they will not believe.

We just shake the dusts off our feet as a testimony against them.

Jesus did the same thing and does not force if people refuse to believe in Him. Move on to save others who are willing.

Interestingly I was thinking about what Christ said, It is not the healthy who needs the doctors, but the sick.

A Parable talking about people in need are given Grace. People who are self righteous and self made, full of themselves cannot see and receive from God.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 5 2016, 12:23 PM)
In moderation. Don't gobble it up like a mad men.

Say, have you tried fasting? I heard fasting is great for the body. Plus, coupled it with a powerful prayer you can achieve weight loss effectively.

hehehe...
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I did tried fast before but come to the end of the day, I consume more than usual amount of meals as i have gastric before
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Bible says even if the dead appear to them to share the gospel, they will not believe.

We just shake the dusts off our feet as a testimony against them.

Jesus did the same thing and does not force if people refuse to believe in Him. Move on to save others who are willing.

Interestingly I was thinking about what Christ said, It is not the healthy who needs the doctors, but the sick.

A Parable talking about people in need are given Grace. People who are self righteous and self made, full of themselves cannot see and receive from God.
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yawn.gif Sorry, its early morning here.

But there are pastors and preachers who are like that too, and the worse is they try to brainwash the congregation with their law based rules.
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I did tried fast before but come to the end of the day, I consume more than usual amount of meals as i have gastric before
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Ah, I have stomach upsets too when I tried to fast. But after couple of days now, I feel a bit better because I drink water and eat nuts while fasting.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 5 2016, 12:44 PM)
yawn.gif Sorry, its early morning here.

But there are pastors and preachers who are like that too, and the worse is they try to brainwash the congregation with their law based rules.
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The way to handle this,


Grace must then come from our side. Don't be bitter with them but exhibit Christ, still loving and reaching out to help others in the Church.

Just that we stand firm knowing the word of God.

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The way to handle this,
Grace must then come from our side. Don't be bitter with them but exhibit Christ, still loving and reaching out to help others in the Church.

Just that we stand firm knowing the word of God.
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Well that's easier said than done. I think that's the same issue with kron ka as well. Its all about being bitter.

I'm bitter too when my church pastor always bring up my past sins. doh.gif

Some people like to live in the past. Hello?! I don't behaved like when I was still 16.
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Well that's easier said than done. I think that's the same issue with kron ka as well. Its all about being bitter.

I'm bitter too when my church pastor always bring up my past sins.  doh.gif

Some people like to live in the past. Hello?! I don't behaved like when I was still 16.
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The problem with kron, is that basically He refuse to forgive.

That is what causes the cycle of bitterness to repeat for so many years.

That is why our Lord insist that we MUST forgive as christians because it can cripple our spirit.
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Today is last working day for us and 1 shipment rushing yet this customer is giving us a hard time.........asking them to liaise with the fwding agents to provide us custom form but refused saying this is not their duty but our instead.

Really headache with this kind of customer
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The problem with kron, is that basically He refuse to forgive.

That is what causes the cycle of bitterness to repeat for so many years.

That is why our Lord insist that we MUST forgive as christians because it can cripple our spirit.
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Well there are people whom I choose not to forgive too. ohmy.gif

Call it selective forgiveness, IDK. It's just unbearable sometimes. Eventually I did forgive them but it took me years!

I'm going to continue to sleep now. yawn.gif


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Today is last working day for us and 1 shipment rushing yet this customer is giving us a hard time.........asking them to liaise with the fwding agents to provide us custom form but refused saying this is not their duty but our instead.

Really headache with this kind of customer
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Well, you know the motto. Customer is always king. brows.gif


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Well there are people whom I choose not to forgive too.  ohmy.gif

Call it selective forgiveness, IDK. It's just unbearable sometimes. Eventually I did forgive them but it took me years!

I'm going to continue to sleep now.  yawn.gif
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Get soaked into the magnificent GRACE of God, it can help you to.

Okay Good day.
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Get soaked into the magnificent GRACE of God, it can help you to.

Okay Good day.
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Thinking of bitterness...It reminds me of this hymn. It is well with my soul .

Any normal men would become insane or lose hope with their lives....but not Horatio Spafford.
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The problem is they wanted to ship out by this weekend yet refused to provide related document to us
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The problem with kron, is that basically He refuse to forgive.

That is what causes the cycle of bitterness to repeat for so many years.

That is why our Lord insist that we MUST forgive as christians because it can cripple our spirit.
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I plus one on this.

One of my revelation from God from recent devotion was the Lord's prayer:

To ask Lord to forgive us as we have forgiven others; If we do not forgive others, the Lord will not forgive us too. (Matthew 6: 14-15)

For me, it is something that needs to be learned and practiced over long period and reminding self constantly.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 7 2016, 10:40 PM)
Staying in DUMC is not christian life. It has little to do with the people. Its the leadership propagating wrong doctrine. What's the difference? Already the congregation can't act as a blessing to others, because we can't even bless each other. People there are indoctrinated to think that serving is balancing your current account with God, to accumulate your richess in heaven. If that is true, then what Christ did on the cross for us is in vain. We still have to pay our "sin tax" by serving???? to reduce our balance sin account with God? Is that what the pastor is trying to say? No wonder nobody is feeling blessed at the church.

The church is so calculative, day by day, telling people you have to boost your "give" currency because you have been collecting to much "receive" currency.

Its a church with no love. I go to my gf's church, there's more caring, fellowship and more effort to tell the congregation to be better disciples. Not because of serving, but because the pastor cares about his congregation.

I am not going to my gf church, because of my personal reasons I cannot disclose here. But I am thinking of going to another church. Not a small one. A church that is not influence by the DUMC doctrine. I do want to serve, but I do not want to be exploited. I want to serve because I love Jesus and what he stands for. Not because I want to pay my sin tax. How can I go on serving at DUMC, if they keep on trying to guilt trip their congregation?? I don't feel the love there. I already have a few of my friends from DUMC left the church for New Creation Church. Some of them tell me that everytime they go to DUMC, they go back home, feeling guilty, remorse and low self esteem. Its because the pastor keep beating their brow, about how not enough they are doing.

I know of one guy, who serve the church, gave his all resources to the church. He serve every weekend at the church and its ministries. He gave away 50% of what he earned. And when he retired, he found out that he was close to bankrupt. He was desperate for job. He went to the pastor, and ask for help. And then the pastor did what? Come, come to altar call and pray. THen after that, forgot about him. WOW

Desperate he came to my friend to beg him for a job. My friend who is also attending DUMC became disgusted. He provided the old man a job, but when he heard this, he left the church for another.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 7 2016, 10:40 PM)
Staying in DUMC is not christian life. It has little to do with the people. Its the leadership propagating wrong doctrine. What's the difference? Already the congregation can't act as a blessing to others, because we can't even bless each other. People there are indoctrinated to think that serving is balancing your current account with God, to accumulate your richess in heaven. If that is true, then what Christ did on the cross for us is in vain. We still have to pay our "sin tax" by serving???? to reduce our balance sin account with God? Is that what the pastor is trying to say? No wonder nobody is feeling blessed at the church.

The church is so calculative, day by day, telling people you have to boost your "give" currency because you have been collecting to much "receive" currency.

Its a church with no love. I go to my gf's church, there's more caring, fellowship and more effort to tell the congregation to be better disciples. Not because of serving, but because the pastor cares about his congregation.

I am not going to my gf church, because of my personal reasons I cannot disclose here. But I am thinking of going to another church. Not a small one. A church that is not influence by the DUMC doctrine. I do want to serve, but I do not want to be exploited. I want to serve because I love Jesus and what he stands for. Not because I want to pay my sin tax. How can I go on serving at DUMC, if they keep on trying to guilt trip their congregation?? I don't feel the love there. I already have a few of my friends from DUMC left the church for New Creation Church. Some of them tell me that everytime they go to DUMC, they go back home, feeling guilty, remorse and low self esteem. Its because the pastor keep beating their brow, about how not enough they are doing.

I know of one guy, who serve the church, gave his all resources to the church. He serve every weekend at the church and its ministries. He gave away 50% of what he earned. And when he retired, he found out that he was close to bankrupt. He was desperate for job. He went to the pastor, and ask for help. And then the pastor did what? Come, come to altar call and pray. THen after that, forgot about him. WOW

Desperate he came to my friend to beg him for a job. My friend who is also attending DUMC became disgusted. He provided the old man a job, but when he heard this, he left the church for another.
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Anyway Blessed CNY.
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Blessed CNY.

But as I said, I am stuck. I can't go to my gf church, because of some personal reason with some of the members there who are suspicious of me. Its something I did at her church 10 years ago. Its nothing big though.

So if I choose to leave DUMC, the members at her church will accuse me of being a church hopper. I am kind of tired and dragged at DUMC. CNY is already here, and my cg leader hasn't even bothered to organize a CNY fellowship dinner !!! To me, we just a group of strangers, that come on Friday meeting, to debate or argue about church policy during cg discussions.
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Nothing big and yet you avoid them?

You sure have some skeletons in the closet. hmm.gif

What If the next Church you go to and you're still complaining like in DUMC?

Maybe you have to come to terms, the problem is not the Church but could be just you?

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no DUMC, no NCC, no bukit jalil church... did you try luffy chuch in klang ?
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kron_ka Blessed CNY to you, if you think DUMC is not suitable for you I strongly advise you to join a small church first.

Yesterday when i called my former mentor who now reside in Australia, he told me about a church he and family is worshiping right now Baptist church associated but small church with regular membership about 50+ only but one thing amazing about this church, they just celebrated their 100th year anniversary 2 weeks ago. So thin about it small church doesn't means it's not suitable for you
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No it has nothing to do with church policy.

Its because some girl I used to go out with is also attending the church my gf is attending. So apparently that girl confronted my gf about me, not sure what she said to my gf. The girl has some connections at the church, she knows some people there.

But my gf is not bucking, because I explained everything to her. I got the feeling that the girl is trying to say bad things about me to my gf. Come on, back then, was 10 years ago when I dated her, she told me that we weren't suitable, so I backed off. After 10 years, she still got bad wibes at me. Unbelievable.

So I want to have a spine, not want to go to another church, because I don't want to be accused as a church hopper.

Anyways, have a blessed CNY to you and hope u enjoy your holidays.
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More WWJD thread on different sites..

http://charismaticcentral.com/forum/thread...-replies.21237/

Have a visit and get exposure to different church / different forum.
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Zzzzzzzzz came back from CNY so tired
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Can father chase away evil spirit?
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Any normal Christian filled with the Holy Spirit can chase away evil spirit.
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Happy and blessed CNY to you.

I think DUMC is not suitable for a lot of people. Its causing a lot of damage to people's lives. They are teaching people that you get blessed by serving. I believe Paul meant by blessing is that you get the self satisfaction of helping people, the happiness of being there for people. But DUMC teach its congregation, if you serve, you will become successful in your career, find relationships, marriage, have children you so long to, etc etc. Its just to exploit people because DUMC needs the manpower to run its ministries. Seriously, its too stretch thin.

That's why at DUMC, nobody cares about each other because everybody is working hard serving to increase their "treasures in heaven". I see no difference from the chinese praying to those Gods and ask them to be bless with monetary goods. This is just the same, because everybody is hunting for currency...everybody here step on each other, because they believe they have the right to, because they serve more than you. Nobody want to serve because the goodness of God, because they genuinely care for each other and people out there.

Every Sunday I hear the pastor say, be a blessing to everybody. Hey ! What about to each other???? So we just put on a fake face and be blessing to non christian but once they are saved, then we not bother about them? So fake.

That's why so many poor disillusion people there are single. I saw one guy who used to work full time for DUMC, he decided one day to resign and move to another church, although he never say anything about DUMC, but he look so relax and in his own skin, when he is with this other church.
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Actually the word of God that inspired Paul to penned down the word Blessing in the context of serving or giving, it is not the blessing of self satisfaction or happiness. No where does the Bible says that. I am zealous for the truth of God's word. If there is something that will help you and set you free, I will painstakingly explain with endeavour so that you can also taste the goodness of God and believe and receive the blessings yourself.

DUMC is right when they say you'll be blessed by serving. That is according to Hebrews 6:10. And as a church we should serve one another. This is according to Romans 12:6-8 with whatever gifting that God has imparted to you. Every Child of God has a gift.

Romans 12:6-8 (NIV)
. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then each; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

If you look at how God has bless his people in reality and in the past and even in the recorded passages of the Bible, you'll understand that we have a Big Hearted God who does not just give for you to scrape by or to make you miserable. You have a very poor opinion of God's dealing with his people.

When Jesus multiply the 5 loaves and 2 fishes, was it not enough or more than enough? If you can answer that, you will know what you think of God is not true.

The following verses does not denote internal satisfaction or just happiness; they are tangible blessings.

Jeremiah 29:11 (NIV) - For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Proverbs 19:17 (NIV) - Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward them for what they have done.

Luke 6:38 (NIV) - Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

2 Corinthians 9:6 (NIV) - Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

Hebrews 6:10 (NIV) - God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.


The problem right now is just your bitterness against DUMC. You gotta let it go and free yourself from this. if you want to move on to another Church, move on but have a right perspective of God's blessing. Don't downsize or downplay what God can or cannot do with the blessings stated clearly in the Bible.

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Actually the word of God that inspired Paul to penned down the word Blessing in the context of serving or giving, it is not the blessing of self satisfaction or happiness.  No where does the Bible says that. I am zealous for the truth of God's word. If there is something that will help you and set you free, I will painstakingly explain with endeavour so that you can also taste the goodness of God and believe and receive the blessings yourself.

DUMC is right when they say you'll be blessed by serving. That is according to Hebrews 6:10. And as a church we should serve one another. This is according to Romans 12:6-8 with whatever gifting that God has imparted to you. Every Child of God has a gift.

Romans 12:6-8 (NIV)
. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then  each; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

If you look at how God has bless his people in reality and in the past and even in the recorded passages of the Bible, you'll understand that we have a Big Hearted God who does not just give for you to scrape by or to make you miserable. You have a very poor opinion of God's dealing with his people.

When Jesus multiply the 5 loaves and 2 fishes, was it not enough or more than enough? If you can answer that, you will know what you think of God is not true.

The following verses does not denote internal satisfaction or just happiness; they are tangible blessings.

Jeremiah 29:11 (NIV) - For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Proverbs 19:17 (NIV) - Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward them for what they have done.

Luke 6:38 (NIV) - Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

2 Corinthians 9:6 (NIV) - Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

Hebrews 6:10 (NIV) - God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.
The problem right now is just your bitterness against DUMC. You gotta let it go and free yourself  from this. if you want to move on to another Church, move on but have a right perspective of God's blessing. Don't downsize or downplay what God can or cannot do with the blessings stated clearly in the Bible.
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May I ask, how are you so sure that the verses you pointed out only refer to "tangible blessings" ?


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Hi sorry to interrupt.

May I ask, how are you so sure that the verses you pointed out only refer to "tangible blessings" ?
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All encompassing blessing that would include spiritual and tangible blessings. VERY Very Sure.

In verse 1-5 of 2 Corinthians 9 talks about Gifts given to the apostles by the Church, that is tangible.

And in this verses for example:

2 Corinthians 9:6-11

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
9 As it is written: “They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor;
their righteousness endures forever.”a
10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.
11You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.

Verse 7 is talking about tangible giving. if it's intangible there is no stress of "compulsion". God inserted the word Bread tangible.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 12 2016, 01:46 PM)
All encompassing blessing that would include spiritual and tangible blessings. VERY Very Sure.

In verse 1-5 of 2 Corinthians 9 talks about Gifts given to the apostles by the Church, that is tangible.

And in this verses for example:

2 Corinthians 9:6-11

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
9 As it is written: “They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor;
their righteousness endures forever.”a
10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.
11You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.

Verse 7 is talking about tangible giving. if it's intangible there is no stress of "compulsion". God inserted the word Bread  tangible.
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Interesting. I never really had deep thought on "tangible blessings", which is something I will want to find out more in the future from scripture.

But is there absolutely no "spiritual/intangible" blessing (ie: happiness and satisfaction) at all for serving people?
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 9 2016, 11:56 AM)
Happy and blessed CNY to you.

I think DUMC is not suitable for a lot of people. Its causing a lot of damage to people's lives. They are teaching people that you get blessed by serving. I believe Paul meant by blessing is that you get the self satisfaction of helping people, the happiness of being there for people. But DUMC teach its congregation, if you serve, you will become successful in your career, find relationships, marriage, have children you so long to, etc etc. Its just to exploit people because DUMC needs the manpower to run its ministries. Seriously, its too stretch thin.

That's why at DUMC, nobody cares about each other because everybody is working hard serving to increase their "treasures in heaven". I see no difference from the chinese praying to those Gods and ask them to be bless with monetary goods. This is just the same, because everybody is hunting for currency...everybody here step on each other, because they believe they have the right to, because they serve more than you. Nobody want to serve because the goodness of God, because they genuinely care for each other and people out there.

Every Sunday I hear the pastor say, be a blessing to everybody. Hey ! What about to each other???? So we just put on a fake face and be blessing to non christian but once they are saved, then we not bother about them? So fake.

That's why so many poor disillusion people there are single. I saw one guy who used to work full time for DUMC, he decided one day to resign and move to another church, although he never say anything about DUMC, but he look so relax and in his own skin, when he is with this other church.
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Come on la.. at the end of the day u r only accountable to Jesus...
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QUOTE(3388 @ Feb 12 2016, 02:29 PM)
Interesting. I never really had deep thought on "tangible blessings", which is something I will want to find out more in the future from scripture.

But is there absolutely no "spiritual/intangible" blessing (ie: happiness and satisfaction) at all for serving people?
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There is. God's Blessing is complete and Holistic to include tangible and intangible.

Truth is, we already have been given everything in Christ. But why some of us don't see it or get it? Because we worry about it. Some of us are afraid to believe. Some conclude because it took so long and nothing happens, it must not be God's will. All these wrong perceptions and the way we rationalize hinders God's blessings.

Thing is, Jesus has made it quite simple which is to seek God's Kingdom and His righteousness first and as a result, the providence come and the blessings happen without us even being conscious about it.

See understand that God definitely wants to bless us but he doesn't want us to get uptight over it.

It's a principle of letting go and trusting God for everything. We are to live free of worry and let God fight our battles.

Happiness and Satisfaction comes from us being content. In fact if we understand what it means to be saved, we would be very very content. The word Salvation in the Hebrew is a mouthful, it is not

just referring to Eternal Life but whole encompassing blessings of God as in the garden of Eden where God walks with us daily and everything is provide for.

And That takes Faith.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 12 2016, 02:32 PM)
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But when God says you will be rewarded. does he say you are rewarded on earth or your inheritance in heaven?

You see, what DUMC is trying to portray wrongly is, you will be rewarded in terms of your goals and dreams you want on this earth. If you want a wife, you serve, God will reward you. If you want a good career, you serve, God will reward you. If you want to be a doctor (your dream job aspiration), you serve, God will reward you. If you want to peace in your fighting family, serve (God will reward you), if you want peace in your office, solve all your problems, serve (God will reward you).

Sounds like DUMC is trying to exploit its followers. Its into so many ministries, it needs all the man power possible, so they are trying to mobilise everyone. To them serving is actually participating into ministries ! As you said, serving is also serving one another. What about when a cg member parent is sick, we go pray and visit his/her parent ! But I don't see any of that??? When my father was terminally ill (my cg was no where near to be seen). My brother and I prayed for my father, he was miraclely healed through the surgeon hands. When I went for my water baptism, non of my cg members turn up !

And serving is only limited to participating in ministries??? huh? Not true. What about starting and managing your family. Isn't being a husband and father is a ministry in itself as well? Isn't that serving as well? DUMC seem to conveniently neglect this.

DUMC is right to say you are blessed when you serve, but they do not explicitly say you will be blessed with what you want, right? You be blessed in terms of maturity in christ, the self satisfaction, the internal spiritual growth, probably other material means which you may not request.

But DUMC tricks us into believing that God will give us what we want if you serve them 110%. If this is true, as i said, then why my auntie been serving so long, then she got "blessed" with stroke at the age of 50? And what about my cg member who serve, until he left his accounting profession to go into charity org for years, only to realize recently all the time he serve, did not reward him with a christian wife whom he yearn and pray for all along? He is 45 years old now.

Then there is another friend, he quit his full time job to work full time at church for 5 years. But did he come out matured? Nope. I found him a very offensive prima donna analistic friend to be with. Everytime I am out with him, I may accidentaly hit his "hot keys", he gets angry so easily. Then his gf left him because he was too dogmatic. Everytime they had an argument, he would quote the bible, to try to justify he was right, but he was neglecting his gf's feelings as he was acting like a bully. He is like that to everyone....at first he may resemble a good nice guy when you first meet him, but as you get to know him, he is like an analistic annoying guy that you don't want to get to know. So serving has reinforced his anal behaviour....so how ca that be a blessing?

He serve in nepali ministry, he serve in camp org, speeches, church admin work, etc etc...but non of that serving specifically bless him with improving his behaviour in handling people. DUMC lack bible study, lack courses for improving one's behaviour. How is  he blessed?
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Here on Earth. What Blessings do you need in Heaven when it's already Heaven?

Stop worrying and wondering about other Christians. It is not in your place to conclude any matters with regards to their life.

God is dealing with them but what is that to you? You're not accountable to what God is already doing or had done in their life.

You are accountable to your own life. So don't judge other people's circumstance and try and equate it with your life.

With that being said, Believe that God can bless you but let go DUMC, forgive and start to LIVE friend! smile.gif






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ALL ACTIVITIES NOT OF GOD AND VOID OF GOD BEING RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES

The difference between believing into Christ and believing in religion is that in believing into Christ it is God who seeks man, whereas religion requires man to seek God. What is religion? Religion is man’s belief in and reverence for God; it is man’s consciousness that there is a God and his consequent desire to worship Him. Man believes in a religion because in his consideration there is a God, and he is thus determined to serve Him, worship Him, probe into Him, study Him, survey Him, and be zealous for Him. However, believing into Christ is not like this. Believing into Christ is God’s coming to seek man, desiring to enter into man and desiring man to serve Him.

According to the common concept, people often ask, “What is the difference between Christianity and religion?” Or they may ask, “Is Christianity a religion?” To answer this question cautiously, we must say that Christianity is not a religion. The Lord Jesus never used the word religion during His ministry on the earth. Likewise, the apostles never used the word religion in their preaching of the gospel. Although Christianity is considered to be one of the five major religions in the world, the fact is that believing into Christ is not believing in a religion. We also can explain this by saying that those who truly believe into Christ are Christians, not followers of the Christian religion.

What does it mean to believe in a religion? People believe in a religion because they feel that there is a God and that they need to revere and serve God. However, those who believe into Christ are not like this; they are not like those who worship God out of their own initiation because they sense that there is a God and feel that they should worship Him. Every instance of man’s believing into Christ is initiated by God. It was God who came to seek Moses while he was shepherding the flock (Exo. 3:1-6); it was God who came to seek Saul while he was kicking against the goads (Acts 26:13-15); and it was God who said to Peter and Andrew while they were fishing, “Come after Me” (Matt. 4:18-20). It is wonderful that in the entire Bible, whenever a person has contact with God, it is always because God has contacted him first. God first came to find Job, and then Job served Him (Job 38:1—42:6); God first came to find Moses, and then Moses served Him (Exo. 3). There is no case in the Bible where a person served God because he first had the thought of serving God.

The entire Bible speaks only of God coming to find man. One day Isaiah saw a vision and heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send? Who will go for Us?” Therefore, he answered, “Here am I; send me” (Isa. 6:1-8). After seeing a vision, Jeremiah rose up to prophesy to the Israelites the words that Jehovah had commanded him (Jer. 1:4-19). Daniel also saw a vision before he rose up to fast and pray, beseeching Jehovah to restore Jerusalem (Dan. 7—9). The entire Bible shows that God first comes to find man before man serves God. Those who believe in a religion take the initiative to serve God; those who believe into Christ serve God after they have been prompted and touched by God.

For this reason we say that one should not rush forward to serve God. We should serve God only when He touches us to do so. If we serve God without God first touching us, we are in a religion. Figuratively speaking, many people today hang the sign “Christian” outside, but they are engaging in a religious enterprise inside. They are Christians in name but religious people in reality. What is it to be a Christian? A Christian is one who has Christ stirring within him through the Spirit and who thus becomes restless and has no choice but to serve God. A religious person, on the other hand, is one who initiates his service to God, desiring to do many things for God. This is the situation of many Christians today. They do not wait for the Lord to move in them and then follow Him accordingly. Instead, they themselves are the initiators, and the Lord is merely a spectator. However, in the experience of genuine Christians, the Lord is the One who initiates, and they simply say Amen. The Lord is the Initiator, and they are the followers. This is completely different from the way of religious people.

The principle here is to not move until the Lord moves in us. However, most Christians are not this way. In the past, when pursuing fame and position in the world, they were accustomed to rushing ahead. Now that they have been saved, the moment the Lord touches them a little, their old habit is manifested again. They rush ahead to organize a Christian fellowship to carry out a work on a campus, and they plan to invite a few great pastors and host a great evangelical meeting. All these matters are initiated by themselves. Hence, they become religious people who do not allow Christ to move in them and live out through them.

What does it mean for you to be a Christian? It means that when Christ moves in you, you follow His moving. If one day He says, “My child, come to Me,” you then should ask, “Lord, what do You want me to do?” After Paul met the Lord, the first words he spoke were, “Who are You, Lord?” The Lord then told him, “I am Jesus, whom you persecute. But rise up and enter into the city, and it will be told to you what you must do” (Acts 9:5-6). From the first day Paul met the Lord, he learned a lesson, realizing that all the things he did formerly were merely religious activities. He was zealous for the Lord, going to the high priest for letters to Damascus for the synagogues so that if he found any who were of the Way, he could bring them bound to Jerusalem (vv. 1-2). Going to Damascus was something determined by Paul. However, when the Lord met him, he fell down, saying, “What shall I do, Lord?” (22:10). All his actions from then on were of the Lord. When the Lord moved in him, he moved; when the Lord did not move, he did not move. All his moving outwardly was the Lord’s moving inwardly.

As Christians, we have One who is moving in us. When He moves, we move. Nevertheless, we are not puppets, having no feelings, thoughts, affections, or opinions. We are living beings; we have a mind, emotion, and will as well as inclinations and preferences. Thus, we are not passive; instead, we are cooperative and submissive. To be submissive is to go along with the One who is moving in us. This is our oneness with the Lord. It is only when the Lord moves in us that we move. This is the way a Christian should be. In this way, we are led by the Lord. In other words, we understand the Lord’s will and know the Lord’s way in us.

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ALL ACTIVITIES NOT OF GOD AND VOID OF GOD BEING RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES

The difference between believing into Christ and believing in religion is that in believing into Christ it is God who seeks man, whereas religion requires man to seek God. What is religion? Religion is man’s belief in and reverence for God; it is man’s consciousness that there is a God and his consequent desire to worship Him. Man believes in a religion because in his consideration there is a God, and he is thus determined to serve Him, worship Him, probe into Him, study Him, survey Him, and be zealous for Him. However, believing into Christ is not like this. Believing into Christ is God’s coming to seek man, desiring to enter into man and desiring man to serve Him.

According to the common concept, people often ask, “What is the difference between Christianity and religion?” Or they may ask, “Is Christianity a religion?” To answer this question cautiously, we must say that Christianity is not a religion. The Lord Jesus never used the word religion during His ministry on the earth. Likewise, the apostles never used the word religion in their preaching of the gospel. Although Christianity is considered to be one of the five major religions in the world, the fact is that believing into Christ is not believing in a religion. We also can explain this by saying that those who truly believe into Christ are Christians, not followers of the Christian religion.

What does it mean to believe in a religion? People believe in a religion because they feel that there is a God and that they need to revere and serve God. However, those who believe into Christ are not like this; they are not like those who worship God out of their own initiation because they sense that there is a God and feel that they should worship Him. Every instance of man’s believing into Christ is initiated by God. It was God who came to seek Moses while he was shepherding the flock (Exo. 3:1-6); it was God who came to seek Saul while he was kicking against the goads (Acts 26:13-15); and it was God who said to Peter and Andrew while they were fishing, “Come after Me” (Matt. 4:18-20). It is wonderful that in the entire Bible, whenever a person has contact with God, it is always because God has contacted him first. God first came to find Job, and then Job served Him (Job 38:1—42:6); God first came to find Moses, and then Moses served Him (Exo. 3). There is no case in the Bible where a person served God because he first had the thought of serving God.

The entire Bible speaks only of God coming to find man. One day Isaiah saw a vision and heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send? Who will go for Us?” Therefore, he answered, “Here am I; send me” (Isa. 6:1-8). After seeing a vision, Jeremiah rose up to prophesy to the Israelites the words that Jehovah had commanded him (Jer. 1:4-19). Daniel also saw a vision before he rose up to fast and pray, beseeching Jehovah to restore Jerusalem (Dan. 7—9). The entire Bible shows that God first comes to find man before man serves God. Those who believe in a religion take the initiative to serve God; those who believe into Christ serve God after they have been prompted and touched by God.

For this reason we say that one should not rush forward to serve God. We should serve God only when He touches us to do so. If we serve God without God first touching us, we are in a religion. Figuratively speaking, many people today hang the sign “Christian” outside, but they are engaging in a religious enterprise inside. They are Christians in name but religious people in reality. What is it to be a Christian? A Christian is one who has Christ stirring within him through the Spirit and who thus becomes restless and has no choice but to serve God. A religious person, on the other hand, is one who initiates his service to God, desiring to do many things for God. This is the situation of many Christians today. They do not wait for the Lord to move in them and then follow Him accordingly. Instead, they themselves are the initiators, and the Lord is merely a spectator. However, in the experience of genuine Christians, the Lord is the One who initiates, and they simply say Amen. The Lord is the Initiator, and they are the followers. This is completely different from the way of religious people.

The principle here is to not move until the Lord moves in us. However, most Christians are not this way. In the past, when pursuing fame and position in the world, they were accustomed to rushing ahead. Now that they have been saved, the moment the Lord touches them a little, their old habit is manifested again. They rush ahead to organize a Christian fellowship to carry out a work on a campus, and they plan to invite a few great pastors and host a great evangelical meeting. All these matters are initiated by themselves. Hence, they become religious people who do not allow Christ to move in them and live out through them.

What does it mean for you to be a Christian? It means that when Christ moves in you, you follow His moving. If one day He says, “My child, come to Me,” you then should ask, “Lord, what do You want me to do?” After Paul met the Lord, the first words he spoke were, “Who are You, Lord?” The Lord then told him, “I am Jesus, whom you persecute. But rise up and enter into the city, and it will be told to you what you must do” (Acts 9:5-6). From the first day Paul met the Lord, he learned a lesson, realizing that all the things he did formerly were merely religious activities. He was zealous for the Lord, going to the high priest for letters to Damascus for the synagogues so that if he found any who were of the Way, he could bring them bound to Jerusalem (vv. 1-2). Going to Damascus was something determined by Paul. However, when the Lord met him, he fell down, saying, “What shall I do, Lord?” (22:10). All his actions from then on were of the Lord. When the Lord moved in him, he moved; when the Lord did not move, he did not move. All his moving outwardly was the Lord’s moving inwardly.

As Christians, we have One who is moving in us. When He moves, we move. Nevertheless, we are not puppets, having no feelings, thoughts, affections, or opinions. We are living beings; we have a mind, emotion, and will as well as inclinations and preferences. Thus, we are not passive; instead, we are cooperative and submissive. To be submissive is to go along with the One who is moving in us. This is our oneness with the Lord. It is only when the Lord moves in us that we move. This is the way a Christian should be. In this way, we are led by the Lord. In other words, we understand the Lord’s will and know the Lord’s way in us.
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Why did Jesus unleash the Law?

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John 1:17 (NIV) - For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


There are many people who are still ignorant about the Laws of God, unable to divide properly whom the Law came for.

The Bible stated very clearly, God created the Law for the unrighteous. Everybody on this planet has a conscious Moral laws written on their conscience. Nobody is exempted from this.
They have to suppress this truth in order to live a different lifestyle other than what God has in mind a righteous lifestyle that is naturally to live by.

For the Believers, we are put under Grace and not the Law.

John 1:17 says the Law came through Moses BUT GRACE and TRUTH came through Jesus Christ.

According to John 1:17, Jesus did not come to give the Law, He came to dispense Grace and Truth. But if you read in the synoptic Gospels, Jesus DID unleash the Law many times and that many times it is of higher requirement, one that actually stop you in your track and make you think if you're able to.

If anyone is honest enough to admit, you'll know nobody can keep it perfectly or at least consistently perfectly. And yet the question remain why.

The Big Question.............. Why did Jesus unleash the Law?

You know, before I proceed to answer, I'll say this straight away, and I want you the reader to keep this in mind; The Law was never God's main agenda.
God started in the Old Testament with Grace and Ended in the New Testament with Grace. The Law crept in between. So back to the question why did Jesus unleash the Law?


The Answer is found in this passage Romans 7:21-25

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

The purpose of the Law is designed to drive Man to the end of Himself. "Oh what wretched Man I am! Who will rescue me? (Romans 7:24)

Galatians 3:19 Says it very clearly in NIV ver:

Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.


What Galatians 3:19 means is that the Law was given to show up your Sins. It was NOT designed to justify you. It Cannot. Only the Blood of Christ can.

So if you take the Sum Total of the verses in understanding why did God give the Law and Why Jesus unleashed the Law, you'll come to understand:

The Purpose of the Law is to help you understand you cannot by your own merits justify yourself to God. It is impossible. You need Christ the Saviour and that is GRACE dependant.

Just Check in the Bible and you'll find this to be true. Jesus unleashed the Law whenever anyone wants to come to God via the Law. Check the Parable of the Rich young Ruler, Check the Stoning of the Prostitute at the Temple, Check the Parables that Jesus spoke whenever He was surrounded by Crowd of Pharisees.

And Also Check this in the Bible, you'll find this to be true. Jesus unleashed Grace whenever anyone comes to Him and needed his Grace. Check the Lame Man carried by the 4 friends, Check the story of the Blind, The Leper, the Prostitutes. No Laws Given, Only Grace! Check Zacchaeus the tax collector!


So as a New Covenant believer, we need to be soaked in the Grace and Truth of our Lord Jesus Christ and not the Law else we will face a dead end.

God Bless.

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I can't sleep due to the many fireworks working on now, it's much more nosier compared to 1st day midnight
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Talking about a song, i read a post about my cousin old dog who passed away this morning. I remembered of this very old song which is quite meaningful.



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Thank you bro biggrin.gif

Talking about a song, i read a post about my cousin old dog who passed away this morning. I remembered of this very old song which is quite meaningful.


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We're playing this song over n over again in Calvary.
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That's really a nice old song.

We're playing this song over n over again in Calvary.


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Christ Is Enough composed from the hymn I've Decided to follow Jesus, a great song indeed smile.gif

I found another one here Agnus Dei by Michael W. Smith



This song reminded us of the Glory of the Lord and how Holy is He and that Jesus Son of God is a Worthy Lamb of God
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A God who cares.


Psalm 116:5-6

5 The Lord is gracious and righteous;
our God is full of compassion.

6 The Lord protects the unwary;
when I was brought low, he saved me.




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A God who cares.
Psalm 116:5-6

5 The Lord is gracious and righteous;
our God is full of compassion.

6 The Lord protects the unwary;
when I was brought low, he saved me.

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The Laws of God cannot make you Holy

Romans 5:20 (NIV)

The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,


When we see Sin increases what do we do? Preach more on the Laws? That is like adding wood to the fire.

The more you emphasize on the Law, the more the Trespass increases!

What is antidote? The answer is right there in the same passage. GRACE!

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When I saw Pehkay and Uw's text I was like 'okay i need to make sure I get enough sleep for this. It reads major'

And I was right. Mind=blown. Really learned something new.
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[size=9][b]The Laws of God cannot make you Holy

Romans 5:20 (NIV)


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A girl just broke up with me using this quote from Paul.

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Happy birthday!!! de_Luffy
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"Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers"

A girl just broke up with me using this quote from Paul.

Advice pls UW.
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Usually what most Christian girl/guy are concerned on being unequally yoked with non believers is to avoid family conflict/arguments due to religious culture & difference. Believe me It will happen. It's either from the couple or the parents.

If you have a very stout religious parents, you will have problem in having a blessed marriage. Don't think either parents will budge.

Unless you and your parents are okay with getting married under Christian ceremony and will not stop her from her faith and you are willing to be open to Christ, you may have chance.

From God's perspective why God disallowed this is because Marriage is a sacred matrimony. We believe when Man and Woman come together they become ONE in spirit.

Your potential life partner have God's own Spirit in her and If you're from another religion, we believe you have another spirit, there can be no union when both have different spirit of different religious background.

I'm sorry if I offended you but this is what I can explain.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 16 2016, 08:02 PM)
Usually what most Christian girl/guy are concerned on being unequally yoked with non believers is to avoid family conflict/arguments due to religious culture & difference. Believe me It will happen. It's either from the couple or the parents.

If you have a very stout religious parents, you will have problem in having a blessed marriage. Don't think either parents will budge.

Unless you and your parents are okay with getting married under Christian ceremony and will not stop her from her faith and you are willing to be open to Christ, you may have chance.

From God's perspective why God disallowed this is because Marriage is a sacred matrimony. We believe when Man and Woman come together they become ONE in spirit.

Your potential life partner have God's own Spirit in her and If you're from another religion, we believe you have another spirit, there can be no union when both have different spirit of different religious background.

I'm sorry if I offended you but this is what I can explain.
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i never did stop her from practicing her faith. I'm spiritual, in my own ways. Not the typical Judaeo-christian spirituality, but I understand her beliefs too.



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QUOTE(Vesto @ Feb 16 2016, 08:42 PM)
im an atheist. I dont care about the ceremony, it can be under a tree or a church or anything.

i never did stop her from practicing her faith. I'm spiritual, in my own ways. Not the typical Judaeo-christian spirituality, but I understand her beliefs too.
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It's not only about Marriage ceremony but a lot of other things. It's not about now, but the long term future.

Most couple are like that. Before marriage, everything also can one and everything okay one.

After marriage, it's a different story there will be requirements and expectations. Trust me.

Maybe it's not you could be her, maybe it could be you. People change as time goes by. Doesn't matter, Life is always a challenge.

Being of the same Faith does help a lot in marriage especially for Christians because we believe in God, we believe that prayer changes situation.

With only her as the believer when it should be both as husband and wife and the Man taking the lead as the Head of the House, there will be times she need you to believe with her...things like that.

Sometimes it's the parents. That is a big headache. When and If you have children.... Some parent insist to go to temple, Her parents will of course object, insist to go to Church ...things like that.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 16 2016, 09:05 PM)
It's not only about Marriage ceremony but a lot of other things. It's not about now, but the long term future.

Most couple are like that. Before marriage, everything also can one and everything okay one.

After marriage, it's a different story there will be requirements and expectations. Trust me.

Maybe it's not you could be her, maybe it could be you. People change as time goes by. Doesn't matter, Life is always a challenge.

Being of the same Faith does help a lot in marriage especially for Christians because we believe in God, we believe that prayer changes situation.

With only her as the believer when it should be both as husband and wife and the Man taking the lead as the Head of the House, there will be times she need you to believe with her...things like that.

Sometimes it's the parents. That is a big headache. When and If you have children.... Some parent insist to go to temple, Her parents will of course object, insist to go to Church ...things like that.
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Life is not a bed of roses they said.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 16 2016, 09:18 PM)
If I may add, sounds like life after marriage sucks.  shocking.gif

Life is not a bed of roses they said.
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Jesus wasn't kidding when He said We will have tribulation in life.

Without God, not only marriage but like can also sucks

But if you and your hubby put Christ as the center and the head of your marriage, it can be like wine, gets better when it gets older.

Even sex.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 16 2016, 09:23 PM)
Jesus wasn't kidding when He said We will have tribulation in life.

Without God, not only marriage but like can also sucks

But if you and your hubby put Christ as the center and the head of your marriage, it can be like wine, gets better when it gets older.

Even sex.
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Wow. My ex church pastor thinks sex is a dirty thing.  doh.gif
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You think the devil created sex?

God is the one who created sex and it's good because it's designed for married couples originally.

The Devil is the one who PERVERTED this and promote the opposite; make people think it's good OUTSIDE of marriage.

And the idea is that what is wrong has been replaced to self justify with the word "it's natural".

See where the world is today, n you'll understand.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 16 2016, 09:43 PM)
You think the devil created sex?

God is the one who created sex and it's good because it's designed for married couples originally.

The Devil is the one who PERVERTED this and promote the opposite; make people think it's good OUTSIDE of marriage.

And the idea is that what is wrong has been replaced to self justify with the word "it's natural".

See where the world is today, n you'll understand.
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Of course I know its from God. But the supposingly MEN of GODLY NATURE thinks otherwise. doh.gif

Just like what you always reiterated again and again. Not by law but by grace of God.

These pastors are better off living in the 12th century.

The world today is corrupted, you see SEX everywhere in the mainstream media. You can even watch porn in European cable TV. doh.gif

But in Malaysian TV, even kissing is censored. LEL.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 16 2016, 09:54 PM)
Of course I know its from God. But the supposingly MEN of GODLY NATURE thinks otherwise.  doh.gif

Just like what you always reiterated again and again. Not by law but by grace of God.

These pastors are better off living in the 12th century.

The world today is corrupted, you see SEX everywhere in the mainstream media. You can even watch porn in European cable TV.  doh.gif

But in Malaysian TV, even kissing is censored. LEL.
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rclxub.gif Since when Sex is wrong in marriage?

What sort of Pastors are those?
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rclxub.gif Since when Sex is wrong in marriage?

What sort of Pastors are those?
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The ones that aren't getting any sex. laugh.gif

By their logic, its bad because they said so.

I don't want to give names, denominations, etc....

FYI, to them drinking wine is ok. rclxub.gif

That's why these type of pastor[s] are not pastoring in my church anymore.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 16 2016, 10:02 PM)
rclxub.gif Since when Sex is wrong in marriage?

What sort of Pastors are those?
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Itu follow the old old old prutian ideals. Boleh kata ajaran sesat de.
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Itu follow the old old old prutian ideals. Boleh kata ajaran sesat de.
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Itu follow the old old old prutian ideals. Boleh kata ajaran sesat de.
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oh no, Puritans; they pursue moral purity down to the smallest details something like what's that group call? Living in Isolation from the world.....
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 16 2016, 10:18 PM)
The ones that aren't getting any sex.  laugh.gif

By their logic, its bad because they said so.

I don't want to give names, denominations, etc....

FYI, to them drinking wine is ok.  rclxub.gif

That's why these type of pastor[s] are not pastoring in my church anymore.
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Hey Tina, with regards to partying vs Life, introduce your cousins to listen to this.
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oh no, Puritans; they pursue moral purity down to the smallest details something like what's that group call? Living in Isolation from the world.....
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Hobbits. tongue.gif

Amish.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 16 2016, 11:02 PM)
Hobbits.  tongue.gif

Amish.
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Sometime I wish people know how to read the Bible.
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Hey Tina, with regards to partying vs Life, introduce your cousins to listen to this.

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My China cousins are Buddhists. Please UW, My mum already gave me a tongue lashing..Spare me.. sad.gif

They rather listen to Kanye West ( doh.gif ) and 1Direction (boring).
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They even asked me to play this stupid "kissing game" during my visit. Sheesh...

Meanwhile my mother is playing mahjong with her relatives. vmad.gif




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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 16 2016, 11:06 PM)
My China cousins are Buddhists. Please UW, My mum already gave me a tongue lashing..Spare me.. sad.gif

They rather listen to Kanye West ( doh.gif ) and 1Direction (boring).
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Lacrae and Andy Mineo are the biggest Name in Christian Hip Hop

This guy also not bad
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 16 2016, 11:14 PM)
Lacrae and Andy Mineo are the biggest Name in Christian Hip Hop

This guy also not bad


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Dude got tattoos. cool2.gif

Wow, I never heard of them before. Guess I'm a old fart. hehehe...
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Dude got tattoos.  cool2.gif

Wow, I never heard of them before. Guess I'm a old fart. hehehe...
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And I'm more musically hipster than you are. Shame, BeeGees Fan.
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And I'm more musically  hipster than you are. Shame, BeeGees Fan.
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You mean you are more atuned to Christian hip-hop. hehehe...

I listened to Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Selena Gomez, Flo Rida, LNS, Reckonwrong, Umfag, Darude, etc

I used to go clubbing you know. whistling.gif
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You mean you are more atuned to Christian hip-hop.  hehehe...

I listened to Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Selena Gomez, Flo Rida, LNS, Reckonwrong, Umfag, Darude, etc

I used to go clubbing you know.  whistling.gif
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Raise you.

This is Hard core



This is one the best Indie music I've heard




All Christian Music industry. cool2.gif
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Raise you.

This is Hard core


This is one the best Indie music I've heard


All Christian Music industry.  cool2.gif
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Not fair dude. IDK any Christians hip-hop, rap, etc.

I only know Christians hymns.

German Techno
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oh no, Puritans; they pursue moral purity down to the smallest details something like what's that group call? Living in Isolation from the world.....
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Ya ya, that's what they're called. Piano legs also cannot be naked.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 16 2016, 11:54 PM)
Not fair dude. IDK any Christians hip-hop, rap, etc.

I only know Christians hymns.

German Techno
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This is Pop, When u want happy christian music, this is the one.
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Ya ya, that's what they're called. Piano legs also cannot be naked.
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IDK if its me but Christians hip-hop, rock, rap doesn't suit my taste. I still prefer secular hip-hop, etc.

Am I weird? laugh.gif

Agnus dei by Michael Smith is really nice. thumbup.gif


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Just came back from China.

Happy birthday!!! de_Luffy
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 17 2016, 12:12 AM)
IDK if its me but Christians hip-hop, rock, rap doesn't suit my taste. I still prefer secular hip-hop, etc.

Am I weird?  laugh.gif

Agnus dei by Michael Smith is really nice.  thumbup.gif
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Hmm, maybe this super old christian rap song might make you think twice
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12 Minutes that can change your life
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Thank you Tinar smile.gif
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Oooh Happy birthday to you Luffy.
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Psalm 10:4 (NIV)
In his pride the wicked man does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God.


Romans 1:18-22 (NIV)
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.



People who are vehemently (on purpose) against God are left alone to the corruption of Sin which will drive them deeper into a depraved mind.
Deprave Mind will result the fruits of the following verses:


29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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Hebrews 11:1

(NIV) - Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

(AMP) - Now faith is the assurance (title deed, confirmation) of things hoped for (divinely guaranteed), and the evidence of things not seen [the conviction of their reality—faith comprehends as fact what cannot be experienced by the physical senses].



The World's definition of Faith is different from the one how the Holy Spirit define. The World's definition is one that means uncertainty, obscure and at times indicate blind type of Faith. They'll use the word, faith needs no reason.

God's definition of Faith is different and opposite of how the world defines its. It is one of certainty, clarity and of confident Hope. As Christians we all know Hebrews 11:1. Faith is the CONFIDENCE.......

In the Amplified version it says Faith is the Title Deed.... A Title deed is a legal binding RIGHT to claim your property. When you have a title deed in your hands, You know there is no argument. The property is legally yours. My friends, that is the accurate definition of Faith as how God wants us to understand and how He wants us to exhibit in confidence.

When you exhibit Faith in this manner, Jesus our God says this: Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.


God Bless.


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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 17 2016, 12:34 AM)
Hmm, maybe this super old christian rap song might make you think twice


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Sorry not my cup of tea.

QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 17 2016, 02:55 PM)
Please pray with me that one day my boyfriend and his family will see the real Jesus and return to God, amen smile.gif
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How long have the two of you been dating?
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How long have the two of you been dating?
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Can't remember anymore hahaha laugh.gif

When I first talked to him his nephew was not even born. Now he's like 6-7 years old.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 17 2016, 09:41 PM)
Can't remember anymore hahaha laugh.gif

When I first talked to him his nephew was not even born. Now he's like 6-7 years old.
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That's really long time. I wouldn't even want to date the same guy for more than 1 year.
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[size=9]Psalm 10:4 (NIV)

29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. [B]They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.[/b]
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I think in churches some members have this traits. Not murder of course. God forbid. sweat.gif
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I think in churches some members have this traits. Not murder of course. God forbid.  sweat.gif
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Please pray with me that one day my boyfriend and his family will see the real Jesus and return to God, amen smile.gif
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Okay but you hold the title deed to your claims. Believe it's a done deal in Christ.

QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 17 2016, 10:54 PM)
I think in churches some members have this traits. Not murder of course. God forbid.  sweat.gif
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Every Christian (You and I ) started from that background, sinners. Not all of us automatically change over night. Change is always a journey in life. Only thing is some people grow slower, some very much slower than others.

Here is the key difference, unbelievers cannot change no matter how strong their will power is and do not see a need for and neither may desire for a change; so this depravity keep spiraling on.
Believers on the other hand have the Holy Spirit in them to help them be a changed person and can appeal to God for a desire to change.

Another thing is, we have to dispense grace as how God gave us his grace. When they accepted Christ, we need to see them as how God see's them. If God calls them saved and Saint by the washing of his blood despite of their imperfection, then we also need to see them in the same light as how God sees them. This is the part Jesus says do not judge less you be judge, forgive and you'll be forgiven.

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Romans 1:18-19 (NIV) - 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

There are plenty of evidences that God has left with us to help us see that He exist.

We have Jesus Christ, recorded historically. He is the Physical evidence of God. People who demand evidence just need to Look to Jesus Christ. Nobody could refute his existence. There are some who tried but all FAILED to proved otherwise, just mere word of saying he doesn't exist does not prove anything. We have archeological evidence of Christ, We have History record of Christ. Jesus Christ is a real person who came. Study his life on Earth, you'll easily see He displayed the divine nature and power of God. Before the inventions of magic trickery through gadgets, nobody could walk on water. Nature obeyed Him at his word. The dead came back to Life. People afflicted with all kind of Illness, Health problems, terminal health condition were made Whole by his touch or word. Only a God can do all these.

There are just too many books and autobiography of the past saints of God confirming the works and divine nature of God. Recently I came across a book that talked about a Saint who raised 400 dead people and it was recorded down in writing. There are many more others accounts of miracle that testify the reality of God. What I've experience in my own life is miniscule in comparison the awesome display of God's Power and YET it is still a miracle nonetheless. Miracles that confirmed what is said in the Bible is true.

Psalm 19:1 of David says: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. The Creation of this world testify the reality of God. This world did not come by itself neither it can exist by itself. It does not make sense to say it has always existed. The concept of eternity does not make sense Scientifically. Evolution does not disprove God. It only confirm the wonderful works of God. God created the very first Humans and allow nature which is also his design to take it's course.

Then we have Israel. Everything that happens in this world, the focus has always been in the middle east with Israel as the star. Why is Israel important? Why are they so hated? Because Israel testify the evidence that God exist. How So? When the Jews possessed the land, that land prospered as a land flowing with Milk and Honey symbolising prosperity as blessed by God. Before that it was desolated land, dry land with no resources. The people who lived there before, couldn't do what the Jews did. The Jew influence the world with their inventions, they are one of the most brilliant people on the planet. They are blessed and prospered tiny nation with God backing them up. The 6 days war PROVED that God is with Israel, multiple nations came against attacking 1 small nation and yet Israel prevailed, defying logic. No powers on Earth could destroyed Israel If God would not permit it. Not even Hitler.

Then We have the Church as the greatest testimony to this lost World. The Church is the Body of Christ meaning the physical manifestation of who God is. We now represent His Kingdom. It is not a surprise we are the largest religion in the world because God is the who pulls in the people and the resources. Nobody can gathered that many people and yet can be united in prayers and came together as one If not for God as the one supporting and backing up His people. The world's organization can only last so long. Even centuries old company are at most centuries old. The Church is the testimony that God is real.

God Bless
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Okay but you hold the title deed to your claims. Believe it's a done deal in Christ.

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Uh...??? Sorry, but I don't understand rclxub.gif

Why am I holding a deed?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 18 2016, 09:08 AM)
Okay but you hold the title deed to your claims. Believe it's a done deal in Christ.
Every Christian (You and I ) started from that background, sinners. Not all of us automatically change over night. Change is always a journey in life. Only thing is some people grow slower, some very much slower than others.

Here is the key difference, unbelievers cannot change no matter how strong their will power is and do not see a need for and neither may desire for a change; so this depravity keep spiraling on.
Believers on the other hand have the Holy Spirit in them to help them be a changed person and can appeal to God for a desire to change.

Another thing is, we have to dispense grace as how God gave us his grace. When they accepted Christ, we need to see them as how God see's them. If God calls them saved and Saint by the washing of his blood despite of their imperfection, then we also need to see them in the same light as how God sees them. This is the part Jesus says do not judge less you be judge, forgive and you'll be forgiven.
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Yeah so different people require different spiritual growth. Kinda like my brother. He's smart but likes to ask universal questions regarding God, life, etc..

So how do you expect non believers to "acquire" the Holy Spirit? I mean besides praying of course.

My older sister is beginning to lean towards God now. Thank goodness! I almost lose hope for her.
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Uh...??? Sorry, but I don't understand  rclxub.gif

Why am I holding a deed?
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Your Faith is the Title Deed to claim what you have prayed to God.

QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 18 2016, 09:45 PM)
Yeah so different people require different spiritual growth. Kinda like my brother. He's smart but likes to ask universal questions regarding God, life, etc..

So how do you expect non believers to "acquire" the Holy Spirit? I mean besides praying of course.

My older sister is beginning to lean towards God now. Thank goodness! I almost lose hope for her.
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Non Believers all have the stigma of Sin and thus has this resistance & sometime hatred towards God.

Unless someone pray for God to work in their life to be open, they cannot receive the Holy Spirit.

You MUST pray for your family, it's not an option.
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Hebrews 12:5 (NIV)

5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,

In the context of Hebrews 12:5, If you read the preceding verse 4, God still call you as his children despite of your imperfection. Child of God means one who is saved.
Herein Lies the evidence that even though you may fail (meaning to "sin") in your Christian walk you are STILL Saved. This is not about Calvinism vs Arminianism theology but Word of God as it is.

Verse 4 says: 4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood


What verse 4 & 5 is basically saying in simple English is this:

You don't really have the tenacity & strength to resist Sin because you have not done it to the point of chopping off your arm or gouging out your eyes and yet You have forgotten this encouragement, that God still calls you as his Son & Daughter despite of your struggle. Don't think When God discipline you in your life to avoid coming in contact with things that can cause you to sin is nothing in essence. Look at it from the viewpoint of a Loving Father. It will help you not grow weary and lose heart.

So Endure this disciple even though it is uncomfortable because by this discomfort, you know God is treating you as Sons & Daughters that He Love. You are DEFINITELY SAVED, dearly beloved.

God Bless.
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25 Famous Scientists who believed in God.
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25 Famous Scientists who believed in God.
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Eh? I thought Einstein is agnostic?

Issac is really faithful, that I know. Sad that mercury poisoning eventually made him completely cuckoo sad.gif
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Eh? I thought Einstein is agnostic?

Issac is really faithful, that I know. Sad that mercury poisoning eventually made him completely cuckoo sad.gif
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Einstein is a Jews
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 19 2016, 04:08 PM)
I know he's ethnically a Jew but his spiritual inclination kinda vague from what I've heard.
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True also....

Make you wonder huh? Whether or not we'll see him in heaven biggrin.gif

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State should stay out of religion – Ahmad Mustapha Hassan* (press secretary to Tun Abdul Razak Hussein, the second prime minister) Published: 13 February 2016

Politics has become a curse to this country. It was no longer a means to achieve good governance and reliable state management. It had been turned into a source of power to inflict evil on the people.

Power had been misused to enrich those in high positions.

Independence had been turned into making the country socially and culturally backward.

Religion has become the source of amassing influence. The Malays were pushed into being servile, leading to a siege mentality.

They were made to lose their power of rational thinking. They had been made to totally accept what the powers that be had committed.

During the early days of independence, the country experienced religious tolerance and ethnic understanding. There were lots of merrymaking whenever occasions present themselves. Dances and singing were common happenings.

Fun fairs would make their rounds in various towns. There would be games for the children and at night there would be dancing to the various melodious Malay tunes. Joget dancing was the order then.

Hostesses would sit in line on the stage and those interested in doing the joget could purchase tickets and go up to pick the dancing partner of his choice.

There would be joget and later this would be termed as joget moden because Western tunes had also been incorporated. There would be the old ronggeng, the precursor to joget and in the north, there would be changgong from Perlis and ramvong, joget dancing to Thai music.

People were able to dispense with all the stress of life during the day through these fun outlets. There were no cases of rape, incest and such other devilish happenings.

In big cities like Penang and Kuala Lumpur, there were cabarets whereby working people would be able to get rid of the stress of work.

This was the place where enterprising people would practise their flair for Western dancing.

They would do the various dances, such as foxtrot, waltz, quickstep, rumba, samba, tango and other new trends.

Competitions were also held and all were in good fun.  

Religion was never part of public dominance. It was a private matter.

That was when religion and the state were completely separated.

The Islamic religious departments were only involved in family matters, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance. Other aspects were left to the discretion of the people. Religion was never forced into the everyday life of the people.

Malay-Muslim children from young would attend afternoon Islamic religious classes where the various aspects of the religion were made known to them. The emphasis was that it was the individual that was answerable to Allah and not to anybody else.

But Umno’s rivalry with PAS for the support of the Malay-Muslims caused both these political parties to accuse one another of being non-Islamic and thus the devil was let loose.

Once PAS started to accuse Umno of being deviant in its Islamic stand and had also convinced some conservative Malays of the sins practised by Umno, the latter in the 1980s turned into being fanatical in its Islamic agenda.

The Islamisation of the country started to take shape.

Tudung suddenly appeared as part of the so-called female Islamic attire.

Dances were no more encouraged. Life had been made to be austere.

Islamic religious departments were expanded and new ones created like Jakim. Religion had been made to be part of the state.

Malay-Muslim life had been regulated.

Money and power were invested in these religious institutions and with power in hand more regulations were manufactured. Halal certificates became necessary to indicate to the Malay/Muslims as to which places they could patronise.

This was simply to exhibit the power that these institutions had.

The Umno government became victim to the whims of PAS and there was no need for PAS to govern the country as Umno was implementing its agenda.

The Malay culture was termed to be deviant to Islamic values and the Arabic culture started to seep in. There were no more “selamat pagi” or “selamat dating”. All terms must be in Arabic.

Politicians in starting their speeches would rattle off in Arabic for a few minutes to show off how Islamic they were before coming to what they wanted to deliver. The same would be in ending their speeches.

The Malay-Muslim in the country became obsessed with rituals and other humanistic aspects of religion were discarded. Thus they became arrogant and aggressive in displaying their Muslim-hood.

This is nothing but mere hypocrisy. 

Religion should be personal. The state should have no say in regulating Malay-Muslim life.

What each individual does, drinks, eats and wears is up to each individual to choose as long as there exists no criminal element.

The state must divorce itself from religion.

The country must go back to be secular and let religion be the choice of individuals.

There should be only one legal system and to have two running in the country has caused confusion where even the learned cannot distinguish between consent, conversion and conscience. – February 13, 2016

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Your Faith is the Title Deed to claim what you have prayed to God.
Non Believers all have the stigma of Sin and thus has this resistance & sometime hatred towards God.

Unless someone pray for God to work in their life to be open, they cannot receive the Holy Spirit.

You MUST pray for your family, it's not an option.
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I know my parents must have prayed for me because I was the rebellious child. I thanked God for showing me the way of life and I did a 360° with my life. Alas my father died before he can see my wedding. sad.gif

My brother is a tough one. Because he spends most of his time with playing games, and his GFs. How the heck do I convince him to turn to God? Because during the weekend we would go to see our local football team play. brows.gif

On Sunday only me and my mum go to church. The bloody wanker would just sleep till we come back from church.

I shall continue to pray for my family. Hopefully my mum relatives (mostly Buddhists) can sway too. hehe..
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My mum told me that Malaysia was so different in the 60s - 80s. She said life was so simple and everybody mingled with each other without fear.


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My mum told me that Malaysia was so different in the 60s - 80s. She said life was so simple and everybody mingled with each other without fear.
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I know my parents must have prayed for me because I was the rebellious child. I thanked God for showing me the way of life and I did a 360° with my life. Alas my father died before he can see my wedding.  sad.gif

My brother is a tough one. Because he spends most of his time with playing games, and his GFs. How the heck do I convince him to turn to God? Because during the weekend we would go to see our local football team play.  brows.gif

On Sunday only me and my mum go to church. The bloody wanker would just sleep till we come back from church.

I shall continue to pray for my family. Hopefully my mum relatives (mostly Buddhists) can sway too. hehe..
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If God exists, why doesn't He stop rapists from raping?
Why doesn't He stop suicide bombers from bombing?

Shay He has all the power?

Abi is He indifferent?

Then, why worship Him?

Are these your questions?

Dr Zacharias, by the Holy Spirit, doth answer thee.

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https://www.facebook.com/uju.okezuruonye/vi...84682531597413/

If God exists, why doesn't He stop rapists from raping?
Why doesn't He stop suicide bombers from bombing?

Shay He has all the power?

Abi is He indifferent?

Then, why worship Him?

Are these your questions?

Dr Zacharias, by the Holy Spirit, doth answer thee.

Watch.

PS:
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God's gat people, mehn.
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Spot On.

Problem are the Atheists in this forum copying what the antics of Sam Harris or Bill Maher who don't want to listen.

ANSWER is already there but they don't want to and cannot listen.
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Your Faith is the Title Deed to claim what you have prayed to God.
Non Believers all have the stigma of Sin and thus has this resistance & sometime hatred towards God.

Unless someone pray for God to work in their life to be open, they cannot receive the Holy Spirit.

You MUST pray for your family, it's not an option.
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I heard this many a time. Some said, Oh God hasn't open his eyes yet or God haven't touch him yet.

So theoretically, can one say, he is a non-believer bcos God haven't touch him or open his heart? So no fault of theirs?

I am always confuse on this one. I am a believer because I have experienced the miracle of God.

My son used to go to church at one point and I was kind of surprise and proud of him too.

It started many years ago when 1 of this friend invited him. So one day he decided to go and meet his friend there.

The funny thing is since there's a couple of church there, he went to the different church that was attended by this friend and he continue attending the same church for, I would say, a couple of years.

Then for some reason, he stopped and he begin to view Christian negatively and in a bad light.

Honestly, some of his point I do kind of agreed with him and I did advise him that those are not the fault of God but human itself but to no avail.

We use to argue alot on this matter and I came to realise that I need to back down else its going to make him hate Christian more.

So I am waiting for him to go back to God before its too late.

I don't want to force my 2 kids to accept God like other religion do.

I myself used to attend churches during my teen and after I hd moved from place to place I kind of stop because I just can't find the right one.

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I heard this many a time. Some said, Oh God hasn't open his eyes yet or God haven't touch him yet.

So theoretically, can one say, he is a non-believer bcos God haven't touch him or open his heart? So no fault of theirs?

I am always confuse on this one. I am a believer because I have experience the miracle of God.

My son used to go to church at one point and I was kind of surprise and proud of him too.

It started many years ago when 1 of this friend invited him. So one day he decided to go and meet his friend there.

The funny thing is since there's a couple of church there, he went to the different church that was attended by this friend and he continue continue attending the same church for, I would say, a couple of years.

Then for some reason, he stopped and he begin to view Christian negatively and in a bad light.

Honestly, some of his point I do kind of agreed with him and I did advise him that those are not the fault of God but human itself but to no avail.

We use to argue alot on this matter and I came to realise that I need to back down else its going to make him hate Christian more.

So I am waiting for him to go back to God before its too late.

I don't want to force my 2 kids to accept God like other religion do.

I myself used to attend churches during my teen and after I hd moved from place to place I kind of stop because I just can't find the right one.
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What did your son say that causes him to view Christianity negatively and do you pray for him often?

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What did your son say that causes him to view Christianity negatively and how often do you pray for him?
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You see, the problem is with the people. They fail to understand that whatever they said or do, they are bearing witness as children of God. Some of them (not teen mind you but older person) said thing that hurt his feeling.

No, my son is not the sensitive type. He can take 'joke' with stride. The good point about my son is I find he is a very polite person. He greet people, instantly even when he sees neigbour who are few doors away who hardly can hear him!

Of course he had his fair share of down side too. You know, young man, kind of ego but usually not to those who is not close.

One of the main reason I myself did not attend churches is because of almost the same reason but I did not let him know. Hypocrisy. Now before you go telling me do not judge people, this is the most glaring problem most of the people who attended churches today are. And the reason many would be believer being turn off from accepting God.

My only word of advise I can give him is you cannot burn the whole forest just because of a few bad trees.

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You see, the problem is with the people. They fail to understand that whatever they said or do, they are bearing witness as children of God. Some of them (not teen mind you but older person) said thing that hurt his feeling.

No, my son is not the sensitive type. He can take 'joke' with stride. The good point about my son is I find he is a very polite person. He greed people, instantly even when he sees neigbour who are few doors away who hardly can hear him!

Of course he had his far share of down side too. You know, young man, kind of ego but usually not to those who is not close.

One of the main reason I myself did not attend churches is because of almost the same reason but I did not let him know. Hypocrisy. Now before you go telling me do not judge people, this is the most glaring problem most of the people who attended churches today are. And the reason many would be believer being turn off from accepting God.

My only word of advise I can give him is you cannot burn the whole forest just because of a few bad trees.
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Yes every christians are bearing as christ's representative, true but even Paul made this astounding statement that helped me (in understanding) to properly divide
how to view Church and Christians.

Philippians 3:8 (NIV) - What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ.

A Pastor, Deacon, whichever christian can only go so far to be representative of who Christ is but They cannot be our very Lord Jesus Christ, no matter what.
As Christians we still need to look to Christ instead of looking to people as role model in Church and especially in Church!

And that is the key difference in helping us to stay in Church or stay away from Church. And I think I've said before prayer for your family is not an option, you have to pray everyday. And I think it's worth repeating this, if you want to see change then get on your knees and pray aggressively because that is what help us connect to God everyday.

With that being said; I mean consider the Apostles, even they admonished the church of that time not to look to them but to Christ.

Acts 14:15 (NIV) - "Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

Acts 10:26 (NIV) - But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."

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Yes every christians are bearing as christ's representative, true but even Paul made this astounding statement that helped me (in understanding) to properly divide 
how to view Church and Christians.

Philippians 3:8 (NIV) - What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ.

A Pastor, Deacon, whichever christian can only go so far to be representative of who Christ is but They cannot be our very Lord Jesus Christ, no matter what.
As Christians we still need to look to Christ instead of looking to people as role model in Church and especially in Church!

And that is the key difference in helping us to stay in Church or stay away from Church.  And I think I've said before prayer for your family is not an option, you have to pray everyday. And I think it's worth repeating this, if you want to see change then get on your knees and pray aggressively because that is what help us connect to God everyday.

With that being said; I mean consider the Apostles, even they admonished the church of that time not to look to them but to Christ.

Acts 14:15 (NIV) - "Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

Acts 10:26 (NIV) - But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."
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Well, I don't think he is looking up for anyone as a role model.

I strongly believe those who are so pious as to attend churches without fail should at least 'check' on themselves constantly which is very important for Christianity to be accepted by new believer.

My take. You don't go round telling non-believer how good your God is without asking. You should bear witness to others how good your God is and let them ask you about it.

My only hope is that in time to come when he is more mature he will go back to God.
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Well, I don't think he is looking up for anyone as a role model.

I strongly believe those who are so pious as to attend churches without fail should at least 'check' on themselves constantly which is very important for  Christianity to be accepted by new believer.

My take. You don't go round telling non-believer how good your God is without asking. You should bear witness to others how good your God is and let them ask you about it.

My only hope is that in time to come when he is more mature he will go back to God.
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Maybe he's looking up to you as one. If you don't go, he may also find it not much of a reason to go.

Yes every Christian should check themselves but I can confidently tell you, none of them are perfect, no one is. In this area we should all exhibit grace and be forgiving because we must remember even yourself and myself we're not perfect, we need as much grace as they do.

I'm not talking about people who on purpose exhibit contradictory lifestyle but people who desire change, understand the gospel but still on a journey with God may have make mistake at times. These we should be forgiving but you if hold them tight with high expectation THEN you need to check yourself if you qualify to judge them, whether your own log in the eye has been taken out.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 02:57 PM)
Maybe he's looking up to you as one. If you don't go, he may also find it not much of a reason to go.

Yes every Christian should check themselves but I can confidently tell you, none of them are perfect, no one is. In this area we should all exhibit grace and be forgiving because we must remember even yourself and myself we're not perfect, we need as much grace as they do.

I'm not talking about people who on purpose exhibit contradictory lifestyle but people who desire change, understand the gospel but still on a journey with God may have make mistake at times. These we should be forgiving but you if hold them tight with high expectation THEN you need to check yourself if you qualify to judge them, whether your own log in the eye has been taken out.
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I guess somehow this could be attribute to some funny reason that when people are Christian, they are automatically associated with being 100% Christian or Christ-like but in fact like all other religions, Christians are always on the journey of learning.
Another reason is probably because of the contradiction that was said. They said such and such are sins, but they themselves did those and still dare to condemn others. I guess this is why people are irked.

Anyway, I learnt a lot from conversations here nod.gif
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Another reason is probably because of the contradiction that was said. They said such and such are sins, but they themselves did those and still dare to condemn others. I guess this is why people are irked.

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Erm, how do you know they have done the same sin?
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Erm, how do you know they have done the same sin?
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It's just like one of the case where a leader condemns extra marital affair and he did it himself. I'm not saying the Church is wrong in this case, but rather why people would feel the hypocrisy from the things some people did. Well, I take these accounts as a lesson, that when we try to tell someone who did something wrong, check on ourselves whether we did the same mistake too, and what we did to correct it. It makes the advice more convincing.
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QUOTE(phillip88 @ Feb 23 2016, 03:27 PM)
It's just like one of the case where a leader condemns extra marital affair and he did it himself. I'm not saying the Church is wrong in this case, but rather why people would feel the hypocrisy from the things some people did. Well, I take these accounts as a lesson, that when we try to tell someone who did something wrong, check on ourselves whether we did the same mistake too, and what we did to correct it. It makes the advice more convincing.
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Actually I did not ask to explain what you mean by "checking yourself", I'm well aware of what it means but how do you know if a leader has committed a sin he preached against?

That's a different question.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 03:33 PM)
Actually I did not ask to explain what you mean by "checking yourself", I'm well aware of what it means but how do you know if a leader has committed a sin he preached against?

That's a different question.
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coz it happened. and then that. but why do u wanna know? Are you trying to find out if it's true?
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coz it happened. and then that. but why do u wanna know? Are you trying to find out if it's true?
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It's alright then, doesn't matter.

I'm just thinking about apostle Peter who was reinstated despite him betraying Jesus even though He said He will never leave Him.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 03:52 PM)
It's alright then, doesn't matter.

I'm just thinking about apostle Peter who was reinstated despite him betraying Jesus even though He said He will never leave Him.
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actually, what happened between him not recognizing Jesus for three times and after he is reinstated.
I guess probably he regretted a lot. But I could not find reference as to how the story goes.

And also, do u think Pontius Pilate is the bad guy? Coz I find it rather "odd" when reciting the Apostle's Creed. I always think of him less "bad" but more "political". And I never understand why there are so many people wanted Jesus dead.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 02:57 PM)
Maybe he's looking up to you as one. If you don't go, he may also find it not much of a reason to go.

Yes every Christian should check themselves but I can confidently tell you, none of them are perfect, no one is. In this area we should all exhibit grace and be forgiving because we must remember even yourself and myself we're not perfect, we need as much grace as they do.

I'm not talking about people who on purpose exhibit contradictory lifestyle but people who desire change, understand the gospel but still on a journey with God may have make mistake at times. These we should be forgiving but you if hold them tight with high expectation THEN you need to check yourself if you qualify to judge them, whether your own log in the eye has been taken out.
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Well, like I said 'I don't think he is looking up for anyone as a role model' and not even me.

Let me get this straight ok. I am not asking for those so call pious christian to be perfect or anyone else to be perfect. No one is perfect. But do 'DO onto others what you want other to do upon you' is my motto here.

I notice that usually, usually those who profess/present themselves to be 'close' to God are the one who are most 'disgraceful' in a sense. They seems to think that what they do or act are in God's approval. The same goes to those practicing other religion too.

And THIS 'These we should be forgiving but you if hold them tight with high expectation THEN you need to check yourself if you qualify to judge them, whether your own log in the eye has been taken out.' is something which I know will be said sooner or later.

Yes, yes, and yes, we are not perfect but how do you differentiate between a comment and a 'judgement'? I know what God said about judging others. In life, we make decision by 'judging', don't we not? 'Judging' in a good way. There's no progress without good judgement.

I don't go to church for donkey years now but I am not a backslider and I am always being criticized by some so called pious christian for not going to church (not saying you).

Acknowledge THAT is the problem and issue needed to be address and not kill the messenger by saying 'if hold them tight with high expectation THEN you need to check yourself if you qualify to judge them, whether your own log in the eye has been taken out.'

So, the bottom line is, pastors should take note and do the necessary to make churches the true house of God.
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QUOTE(phillip88 @ Feb 23 2016, 03:57 PM)
actually, what happened between him not recognizing Jesus for three times and after he is reinstated.
I guess probably he regretted a lot. But I could not find reference as to how the story goes.

And also, do u think Pontius Pilate is the bad guy? Coz I find it rather "odd" when reciting the Apostle's Creed. I always think of him less "bad" but more "political". And I never understand why there are so many people wanted Jesus dead.
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He was more on fire for God so to speak understanding the Grace of God which is really the essence of the Gospel. What happened to him has recorded account in the book of Acts.

I think Pontius didn't want to crucify Jesus but was forced by peer pressure from the High Priest Gang. If you ask me I don't think he's really a bad guy but then that's human pov.


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QUOTE(phillip88 @ Feb 23 2016, 03:17 PM)
I guess somehow this could be attribute to some funny reason that when people are Christian, they are automatically associated with being 100% Christian or Christ-like but in fact like all other religions, Christians are always on the journey of learning.
Another reason is probably because of the contradiction that was said. They said such and such are sins, but they themselves did those and still dare to condemn others. I guess this is why people are irked.

Anyway, I learnt a lot from conversations here  nod.gif
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Example, A study engineering and B no between he didn't attend classes. So, shouldn't we expect A to understand basic engineering subject better than B? Thats my logic.

A goes to churches without fail while B no. Shouldn't we expect A to have at least know some basic knowledge of how to carry oneself or 'the way of life' to be a Christian. I am not talking about able to recite the whole book of Matthew or John for that matter.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 04:27 PM)
Example, A study engineering and B no between he didn't attend classes. So, shouldn't we expect A to understand basic engineering subject better than B? Thats my logic.

A goes to churches without fail while B no. Shouldn't we expect A to have at least know some basic knowledge of how to carry oneself or 'the way of life' to be a Christian. I am not talking about able to recite the whole book of Matthew or John for that matter.
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I understand. The thing is, being able to understand and being able to perform are two different thing. And to me, the fundamental idea is that everyone learns until the day one dies. So, the subject A who goes to church every week could have performed more things "Christian-like" but that is also depending on how quickly the person learns, how much one has to overcome current "mistakes" and practice Christian ways of doing things, and ultimately, no one is free from committing err.
Even though I do sense a certain "hypocrisy" in what a hypothetical subject A could have done, I will try to adjust my perception to be more forgiving. After all, it's all about how we carry ourselves, right?
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 03:57 PM)
Well, like I said 'I don't think he is looking up for anyone as a role model' and not even me.

Let me get this straight ok. I am not asking for those so call pious christian to be perfect or anyone else to be perfect. No one is perfect. But do 'DO onto others what you want other to do upon you' is my motto here.

I  notice that usually, usually those who profess/present themselves to be 'close' to God are the one who are most 'disgraceful' in a sense. They seems to think that what they do or act are in God's approval. The same goes to those practicing other religion too.

And THIS 'These we should be forgiving but you if hold them tight with high expectation THEN you need to check yourself if you qualify to judge them, whether your own log in the eye has been taken out.' is something which I know will be said sooner or later.

Yes, yes, and yes, we are not perfect but how do you differentiate between a comment and a 'judgement'? I know what God said about judging others. In life, we make decision by 'judging', don't we not? 'Judging' in a good way. There's no progress without good judgement.

I don't go to church for donkey years now but I am not a backslider and I am always being criticized by some so called pious christian for not going to church (not saying you).

Acknowledge THAT is the problem and issue needed to be address and not kill the messenger by saying 'if hold them tight with high expectation THEN you need to check yourself if you qualify to judge them, whether your own log in the eye has been taken out.'

So, the bottom line is, pastors should take note and do the necessary to make churches the true house of God.
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You sure? Most kids do look up to their dad, it's a paternal thing.

Yes not saying you're wrong to expect Church leaders to live up to the standard but if you can just calm down and understand what I'm trying to say, it's a duality situation.

On one hand you can expect but at the same time, as a christian, you exhibit grace as well.

Comment and Judging? I think Luke is quite clear.

Luke 6:37 (NIV)
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

That is related to

John 8:7 (NIV)
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

I think the problem is that many christians forgotten we're all represented as "her" in that incident.

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I understand. The thing is, being able to understand and being able to perform are two different thing. And to me, the fundamental idea is that everyone learns until the day one dies. So, the subject A who goes to church every week could have performed more things "Christian-like" but that is also depending on how quickly the person learns, how much one has to overcome current "mistakes" and practice Christian ways of doing things, and ultimately, no one is free from committing err.
Even though I do sense a certain "hypocrisy" in what a hypothetical subject A could have done, I will try to adjust my perception to be more forgiving. After all, it's all about how we carry ourselves, right?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 04:34 PM)
You sure? Most kids do look up to their dad, it's a paternal thing.

Yes not saying you're wrong to expect Church leaders to live up to the standard but if you can just calm down and understand what I'm trying to say, it's a duality situation.

On one hand you can expect but at the same time, as a christian, you exhibit grace as well.

Comment and Judging? I think Luke is quite clear.

Luke 6:37 (NIV)
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

That is related to

John 8:7 (NIV)
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
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Hihihi, I am calm. Believed me.

Sorry to say this but it does not look like that (Luke) addresses the question - comment and judging.

I would say those quote are frequently being misused.

And I forgot to mentioned that its forgiven and we move on, really.

UPdate: and I forgot to mentioned your 1st point. Well not looking up to me in this thing is what I am saying. Those years that he attended church willingly, I wasn't even gone to one.

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 04:42 PM)
Hihihi, I am calm. Believed me.

Sorry to say this but it does not look like that (Luke) addresses the question - comment and judging.

I would say those quote are frequently being misused.

And I forgot to mentioned that its forgiven and we move on, really.

UPdate: and I forgot to mentioned your 1st point. Well not looking up to me in this thing is what I am saying. Those years that he attended church willingly, I wasn't even gone to one.
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I think all kids do look up to their dad whether for the good or bad and whether we want to acknowledge or not. Children naturally do emulate and become some part of what the parent is.

Will talk to you about the judging part later this evening.



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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 05:16 PM)
I think all kids do look up to their dad whether for the good or bad and whether we want to acknowledge or not. Children naturally do emulate and become some part of what the parent is.

Will talk to you about the judging part later this evening.
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I concur to a certain extent. Whether the dad is a positive or negative role model, it does have a certain impact on children.
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I concur to a certain extent. Whether the dad is a positive or negative role model, it does have a certain impact on children.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 05:16 PM)
I think all kids do look up to their dad whether for the good or bad and whether we want to acknowledge or not. Children naturally do emulate and become some part of what the parent is.

Will talk to you about the judging part later this evening.
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So, both of you are saying I am the causes for my son not attending church ? Yes? NO?

He knows I am still believed in God. and he called himself an atheist. So what does that leave both of you?

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 05:36 PM)
So, both of you are saying I am the causes for my son not attending church ? Yes? NO?

He knows I am still believed in God. and he called himself an atheist. So what does that leave both of you?
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Hey hey chill man. I'm not blaming you. It's not simply hey dad's not going to church. I'll not go too. I did not follow the previous conversations closely. Did u talk to him closely about his pullout from going?
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Hey hey chill man. I'm not blaming you. It's not simply hey dad's not going to church. I'll not go too. I did not follow the previous conversations closely. Did u talk to him closely about his pullout from going?
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I am chill man. laugh.gif

How else do you want a sensible reply to be?

Why can't you guy just look into what I have just said/commented. Its not for the good of me. Its for our believe sake. Or just too afraid to confront the issue?

Please, forgive but to turn another cheek is 2 different thing you know.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 05:36 PM)
So, both of you are saying I am the causes for my son not attending church ? Yes? NO?

He knows I am still believed in God. and he called himself an atheist. So what does that leave both of you?
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It's a growing and significant minority especially of the younger generation.... at least freedom of choice is available...
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 06:02 PM)
I am chill man.  laugh.gif

How else do you want a sensible reply to be?

Why can't you guy just look into what I have just said/commented. Its not for the good of me. Its for our believe sake. Or just too afraid to confront the issue?

Please, forgive but to turn another cheek is 2 different thing you know.
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Yeah you're right. It's complicated.
The church I went, it stressed heavily on building family as the nucleus of Christianity. Or at least I interpreted what the pastor said that way. I agree. Seems like Mr. Son isn't that much influenced by you (or at least in terms of religious beliefs).

Anyway, is your relationship with him tight?
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Yeah you're right. It's complicated.
The church I went, it stressed heavily on building family as the nucleus of Christianity. Or at least I interpreted what the pastor said that way. I agree. Seems like Mr. Son isn't that much influenced by you (or at least in terms of religious beliefs).

Anyway, is your relationship with him tight?
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Oops sorry, make that page 14

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It is the Power of God'S Salvation for those who believe in God.

The world cannot understanding and neither can see this privilege.
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But I read that NOT ALL will be saved and only a few will enter heaven.

Salvation is FREE, yet so few want to choose it.
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You see, the problem is with the people. They fail to understand that whatever they said or do, they are bearing witness as children of God. Some of them (not teen mind you but older person) said thing that hurt his feeling.

No, my son is not the sensitive type. He can take 'joke' with stride. The good point about my son is I find he is a very polite person. He greet people, instantly even when he sees neigbour who are few doors away who hardly can hear him!

Of course he had his fair share of down side too. You know, young man, kind of ego but usually not to those who is not close.

One of the main reason I myself did not attend churches is because of almost the same reason but I did not let him know. Hypocrisy. Now before you go telling me do not judge people, this is the most glaring problem most of the people who attended churches today are. And the reason many would be believer being turn off from accepting God.

My only word of advise I can give him is you cannot burn the whole forest just because of a few bad trees.
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I think I have similar issue like your son. hehe...

But aside from pride and ego, I learned to ignore those type of people in church. I focused on God because Men are just hypocritical.


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That is related to

John 8:7 (NIV)
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

I think the problem is that many christians forgotten we're all represented as "her" in that incident.
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OIC. And I thought Biblical men always finding fault at women. vmad.gif
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So, both of you are saying I am the causes for my son not attending church ? Yes? NO?

He knows I am still believed in God. and he called himself an atheist. So what does that leave both of you?
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You can be an encouragement to him, something that can make him think like, Hey Dad I know there are people who may have offended you but you still go to Church regardless...hence when you talk about not burning the whole forest despite a few bad trees is shown in what you've said.

As Fathers we are called to lead in the family, that's our role. So I encourage you, go to Church not solely because of people but because of God.

I think i'll skip talking about judging tonight.
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I think all kids do look up to their dad whether for the good or bad and whether we want to acknowledge or not. Children naturally do emulate and become some part of what the parent is.

Will talk to you about the judging part later this evening.
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So if the father is strict as in the OT, does that mean the son(s) will emulate him? gg.com la
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 08:09 PM)
I think I have similar issue like your son. hehe...

But aside from pride and ego, I learned to ignore those type of people in church. I focused on God because Men are just hypocritical.
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Wish my son had the same mentality as yours.

It would not bothered much if its those teen that he is having problem with but it seems to be those elder!

He must have felt disillusioned with what's going on and coming from people who is supposed to know their 'responsibility' as a christian.

I had my fair share of what he had gone thru too during my teen year or rather my church going days.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 08:16 PM)
You can be an encouragement to him, something that can make him think like, Hey Dad I know there are people who may have offended you but you still go to Church regardless...hence when you talk about not burning the whole forest despite a few bad trees is shown in what you've said.

As Fathers we are called to lead in the family, that's our role. So I encourage you, go to Church not solely because of people but because of God.

I think i'll skip talking about judging tonight.
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My father and mother go separate way when I was only a couple of months old. I am now just passed my 32nd married anniversary with my wife. Does my parent looks like a role model for me to you?

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 08:23 PM)
Wish my son had the same mentality as yours.

It would not bothered much if its those teen that he is having problem with but it seems to be those elder!

He must have felt disillusioned with what's going on and coming from people who is supposed to know their 'responsibility' as a christian.

I had my fair share of what he had gone thru too during my teen year or rather my church going days.
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Well...I had a rebellious upbringing. My parents would had me in detention most of the time. brows.gif

I had "minor" issues with church members as well. Nothing that is too complicated nor serious. It seems that Malaysians don't understand my culture. hehe...

How old is your son now? He'll probably grow out of that "phase" later on. Like I did. It's just a phase dude.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 08:28 PM)
Well...I had a rebellious upbringing. My parents would had me in detention most of the time.  brows.gif

I had "minor" issues with church members as well. Nothing that is too complicated nor serious. It seems that Malaysians don't understand my culture. hehe...

How old is your son now? He'll probably grow out of that "phase" later on. Like I did. It's just a phase dude.
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Just passed 22nd last year (Nov).

Hopefully (he grow out of that phase) soon.

I am happy for your parent. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 06:46 PM)
Appreciate if you start reading from page 13 my 1st post #275. Thank you

Oops sorry, make that page 14
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Finished catching up. Thanks for sharing your story.
About the role model thing, it acts both ways. Dad was born in quite a chaotic family. Gamblers, gamblers everywhere. Each has wives. But my dad held on to his own. He doesn't wanna be like the rest of the siblings (to be accurate, his sister is also the better of the bunch). So, to each his own I would say. But if we talk about influence, yes, to some extent you do influence your son. But not totally, especially teenagers (who in anecdote belief are more susceptible to peer influence).

Forget about the role model thing, I'm in no position to give you a better advice than the rest of us here. If you don't mind, I will add one more thing: This period of time will pass. Pray hard to God that He will lead him through his journey of self-finding. Who knows, the right church for him might be somewhere else, and he could fit there better? (This happens to me, somehow). I'm always against Christian, to be fair, because of certain individuals around me who happen to be (in my opinion)... ah, spare me the cursing. I learn a lot from their influence (or negatively reacted) by studying through online sources and reading the bible. Ended up having many unanswered questions, but found a church which could open my eyes (or ears) (thank God for so far so good). So, hopefully your son will come across some place where he belongs.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 08:28 PM)
My father and mother go separate way when I was only a couple of months old. I am now just passed my 32nd married anniversary with my wife. Does my parent looks like a role model for me to you?
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Brother, my own dad is not a good role model but that doesn't mean I can't be one to my own kid.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 08:32 PM)
Just passed 22nd last year (Nov).

Hopefully (he grow out of that phase) soon.

I am happy for your parent.  rclxms.gif
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Haha...I'm just a bit older than your son.

Great parents are priceless in this world. No gold, jewelry, LV bags can substitute that. thumbup.gif
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Finished catching up. Thanks for sharing your story.
About the role model thing, it acts both ways. Dad was born in quite a chaotic family. Gamblers, gamblers everywhere. Each has wives. But my dad held on to his own. He doesn't wanna be like the rest of the siblings (to be accurate, his sister is also the better of the bunch). So, to each his own I would say. But if we talk about influence, yes, to some extent you do influence your son. But not totally, especially teenagers (who in anecdote belief are more susceptible to peer influence).

Forget about the role model thing, I'm in no position to give you a better advice than the rest of us here. If you don't mind, I will add one more thing: This period of time will pass. Pray hard to God that He will lead him through his journey of self-finding. Who knows, the right church for him might be somewhere else, and he could fit there better? (This happens to me, somehow). I'm always against Christian, to be fair, because of certain individuals around me who happen to be (in my opinion)... ah, spare me the cursing. I learn a lot from their influence (or negatively reacted) by studying through online sources and reading the bible. Ended up having many unanswered questions, but found a church which could open my eyes (or ears) (thank God for so far so good). So, hopefully your son will come across some place where he belongs.
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But if we talk about influence, yes, to some extent you do influence your son. But not totally, especially teenagers (who in anecdote belief are more susceptible to peer influence).


Honestly, I used to think that way too, i.e. parent's influence on their children. But my life proof its not entirely true. That's just general perception when there's no other explanation to put forth. Or maybe it's just negligible to say the least.
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Brother, my own dad is not a good role model but that doesn't mean I can't be one to my own kid.
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Hello, my point is 'Stop putting the blame on me while turn the other cheek on the obvious'.
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Haha...I'm just a bit older than your son.

Great parents are priceless in this world. No gold, jewelry, LV bags can substitute that.  thumbup.gif
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Yeah. true.

Anyway, those things happen quite sometime ago. One topic leads to another. .
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Anybody else got parents issues here? laugh.gif


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For sure dude.  thumbup.gif

But I read that NOT ALL will be saved and only a few will enter heaven.

Salvation is FREE, yet so few want to choose it.
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True, not all will be saved but MANY will be saved.


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OIC. And I thought Biblical men always finding fault at women.  vmad.gif
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??? No.

QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 08:20 PM)
So if the father is strict as in the OT, does that mean the son(s) will emulate him? gg.com la
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Hello, my point is 'Stop putting the blame on me while turn the other cheek on the obvious'.
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I'm not saying you're the cause that you son decided to leave Church, I'm saying you can be an encouragement for him to go to Church.

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 08:53 PM)
But if we talk about influence, yes, to some extent you do influence your son. But not totally, especially teenagers (who in anecdote belief are more susceptible to peer influence).


Honestly, I used to think that way too, i.e. parent's influence on their children. But my life proof its not entirely true. That's just general perception when there's no other explanation to put forth. Or maybe it's just negligible to say the least.
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Thanks for sharing. I may not be of much help, and I'm frank of that. Just that I hope with my minute knowledge I could provide some kind of perspective which could probably be a little helpful to alleviate the issue.

Hmm.. My point is, sometimes the influence is not apparent or rather one of the many factors in play. Unless you totally did not communicate with your son (which I think you did a lot), but the effect isn't what we hoped it would be. Stay strong, and keep finding ways to help him nod.gif

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Anybody else got parents issues here?  laugh.gif
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Everyone has, to a certain degree I guess blush.gif
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True, not all will be saved but MANY will be saved.
??? No.
Discipline us for our own good is not gg.com.
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How the heck do you split the quotes? rclxub.gif

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But why does some refused to be saved? hmm.gif

Yeah dude. Some old religious farts always blamed women. Duh...

Discpline is one thing. Physical abuse is another thing. I always got canned la. GG.com la.

How is that a good thing?! vmad.gif
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Everyone has, to a certain degree I guess  blush.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 09:07 PM)
How the heck do you split the quotes?  rclxub.gif

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But why does some refused to be saved?  hmm.gif

Yeah dude. Some old religious farts always blamed women. Duh...

Discpline is one thing. Physical abuse is another thing. I always got canned la. GG.com la.

How is that a good thing?!  vmad.gif
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Just press the +Quote button.

Oh Big Deal, Even I got my own shelling from my own dad even worse at times.

Got thrown even like those WWE.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 09:09 PM)
Just press the +Quote button.

Oh Big Deal, Even I got my own shelling from my own dad even worse at times.

Got thrown even like those WWE.
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Press quote and then what? I just select the things that I want to quote la?

Big deal to me. The middle child always get blamed, harrassed, tortured, etc...

WWE? hmm.gif Do you mean WWF? The animal welfare group.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 09:12 PM)
Press quote and then what? I just select the things that I want to quote la?

Big deal to me. The middle child always get blamed, harrassed, tortured, etc...

WWE?  hmm.gif Do you mean WWF? The animal welfare group.
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Press the +Quote button of all the split post and it will combine under I post.

WWE = World Wrestling Entertainment mad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif
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Press the +Quote button of all the split post and it will combine under I post.

WWE = World Wrestling Entertainment mad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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Chill dude.

http://www.worldwildlife.org/

vmad.gif vmad.gif

What the heck is World Wrestling Entertainment? MMA better la.

I know WWW, WW3, WWF..
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Who the heck watch WWE? shakehead.gif

Watch MMA la.

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/8/1/9085319/u...estling-is-fake
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 09:16 PM)
Chill dude.

http://www.worldwildlife.org/

vmad.gif  vmad.gif

What the heck is World Wrestling Entertainment? MMA better la.

I know WWW, WW3, WWF..
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 09:19 PM)
Who the heck watch WWE?  shakehead.gif

Watch MMA la.

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/8/1/9085319/u...estling-is-fake
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Man, you and luffy taste in music and entertainment is totally weird.
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No offense dude.
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http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/americ...eat-bible-story

Hollywood finally got it Right. This is a MUST Watch Movie for Christians

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Let's be honest. Hollywood does not exactly have the best track record when it comes to producing accurate faith-based movies. Remember the giant rock creatures from Noah?

So when I heard that Sony Pictures was about to release a faith-based film called Risen, I was a bit skeptical. Typically faith-based movies are faith-bashing movies.

And when Risen earned three-and-a-half stars from the left wingers at the Seattle Times, I was incredulous.

But when I saw the film's trailer, I was astonished—Hollywood got it right.

Risen is a powerful telling of the aftermath of the resurrection of Jesus told from the perspective of a non-believer—a Roman military officer.

Joseph Fiennes plays Clavius, assigned to investigate the disappearance of Jesus' body. It's like an old-school detective noir story—think C.S.I. Jerusalem.

"It's a movie that sees the resurrection through the eyes of a nonbeliever," Fiennes told me. "It's a wonderful, fresh way in seeing the story of Christ unfold through the eyes of a skeptic."

Fiennes is well-aware of Hollywood's past attempts to bring Bible stories to the big screen. Anybody choke on their popcorn during Noah and EXODUS: God and Kings?

The ever-diplomatic Fiennes did not name names, but he did refer to "revisionist films" that "polarized a lot of people." On the other hand, there are the cinephiles who took issue with "preachy and conservative and low-production value Christian films" that did not speak to them.

That's why Affirm Films and Sony Pictures went the extra mile to make sure they got Risen right.

"We strived very hard in getting the balance between cinema and Scripture," Fiennes said. "Working with the church communities in the process of making the film has allowed us to stay as true as possible to Scripture."

At the same time, they were also tasked with producing a solid work of art.

"It's a film, and we want people to have a great cinematic experience," Fiennes told me.

In other words—it's a night at the movies—not a Sunday morning church service.

"We are not selling religion or pushing religion," he said. "We are pushing for great cinema and great storytelling and I believe we got the balance right."

And so do many evangelical Christian leaders—most notably revered media critic Ted Baehr, chairman of the Christian Film and Television Commission.

"It is a very powerful dramatic movie," Baehr said in a video posted on his website. "It's a powerful heart-rending story. I recommend it for every Christian to take their friends to see Risen."

The film was also endorsed by a group of prominent Christian leaders and ministers.

"It's a movie that makes you think," said Chris Williamson, pastor of Strong Tower Bible Church. "It's not your typical Christian-themed movie—even though it's dominated with Christian themes. If you are an atheist, a new believer, an unbeliever—I think you can find yourself in this film."

Renowned Christian leader Rick White attended a screening of the film in Tennessee. He said the film demonstrates that "it's OK to ask the hard questions" on your spiritual journey.

Mr. Fiennes and Affirm Films and Sony Pictures have demonstrated a deep respect for the Christian faith. And in doing, so they have produced a film that will encourage and challenge and entertain a very diverse audience.

So as a fellow believer, I'd like to share these words with Sony Pictures—thank you.

He is risen. He is risen indeed!
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 09:46 PM)
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/americ...eat-bible-story

Hollywood finally got it Right. This is a MUST Watch Movie for Christians

user posted image
Let's be honest. Hollywood does not exactly have the best track record when it comes to producing accurate faith-based movies. Remember the giant rock creatures from Noah?

So when I heard that Sony Pictures was about to release a faith-based film called Risen, I was a bit skeptical. Typically faith-based movies are faith-bashing movies.

And when Risen earned three-and-a-half stars from the left wingers at the Seattle Times, I was incredulous.

But when I saw the film's trailer, I was astonished—Hollywood got it right.

Risen is a powerful telling of the aftermath of the resurrection of Jesus told from the perspective of a non-believer—a Roman military officer.

Joseph Fiennes plays Clavius, assigned to investigate the disappearance of Jesus' body. It's like an old-school detective noir story—think C.S.I. Jerusalem.

"It's a movie that sees the resurrection through the eyes of a nonbeliever," Fiennes told me. "It's a wonderful, fresh way in seeing the story of Christ unfold through the eyes of a skeptic."

Fiennes is well-aware of Hollywood's past attempts to bring Bible stories to the big screen. Anybody choke on their popcorn during Noah and EXODUS: God and Kings?

The ever-diplomatic Fiennes did not name names, but he did refer to "revisionist films" that "polarized a lot of people." On the other hand, there are the cinephiles who took issue with "preachy and conservative and low-production value Christian films" that did not speak to them.

That's why Affirm Films and Sony Pictures went the extra mile to make sure they got Risen right.

"We strived very hard in getting the balance between cinema and Scripture," Fiennes said. "Working with the church communities in the process of making the film has allowed us to stay as true as possible to Scripture."

At the same time, they were also tasked with producing a solid work of art.

"It's a film, and we want people to have a great cinematic experience," Fiennes told me.

In other words—it's a night at the movies—not a Sunday morning church service.

"We are not selling religion or pushing religion," he said. "We are pushing for great cinema and great storytelling and I believe we got the balance right."

And so do many evangelical Christian leaders—most notably revered media critic Ted Baehr, chairman of the Christian Film and Television Commission.

"It is a very powerful dramatic movie," Baehr said in a video posted on his website. "It's a powerful heart-rending story. I recommend it for every Christian to take their friends to see Risen."

The film was also endorsed by a group of prominent Christian leaders and ministers.

"It's a movie that makes you think," said Chris Williamson, pastor of Strong Tower Bible Church. "It's not your typical Christian-themed movie—even though it's dominated with Christian themes. If you are an atheist, a new believer, an unbeliever—I think you can find yourself in this film."

Renowned Christian leader Rick White attended a screening of the film in Tennessee. He said the film demonstrates that "it's OK to ask the hard questions" on your spiritual journey.

Mr. Fiennes and Affirm Films and Sony Pictures have demonstrated a deep respect for the Christian faith. And in doing, so they have produced a film that will encourage and challenge and entertain a very diverse audience.

So as a fellow believer, I'd like to share these words with Sony Pictures—thank you.

He is risen. He is risen indeed!
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Sherlock holmes-ish~ feel? If so i'm watching it drool.gif drool.gif
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I know gg stands for good game. Used to send that but gg.com?

Yeah. I am 50+ years old! And I play War Thunder!
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Wow! Cool dude. notworthy.gif

And my mum still sucks at Candy crush. What a noob..

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 23 2016, 09:46 PM)
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/americ...eat-bible-story
Das ist cool.

The Noah movie really sucks man.

Wait will they show it in Malaysia? icon_idea.gif

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Wow! Cool dude.  notworthy.gif

And my mum still sucks at Candy crush. What a noob..
Das ist cool.

The Noah movie really sucks man.

Wait will they show it in Malaysia?  icon_idea.gif
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Malaysia? I think for that to happen....needs some prayers. sleep.gif

But I think most Church will play it for the members to see, quite sure the Youth will do it.
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Malaysia? I think for that to happen....needs some prayers.  sleep.gif

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Pray hard dude.

Or just torrent. tongue.gif
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Pray hard dude.

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Yeah. I am 50+ years old! And I play War Thunder!
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Looks good man.

So you got married in your 20's?
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Wow! Cool dude.  notworthy.gif

And my mum still sucks at Candy crush. What a noob..
Das ist cool.

The Noah movie really sucks man.

Wait will they show it in Malaysia?  icon_idea.gif
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Maybe she can do better in War Thunder! And No, I don't get any commission for getting people to play. sad.gif
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Looks good man.

So you got married in your 20's?
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Maybe she can do better in War Thunder! And No, I don't get any commission for getting people to play.  sad.gif
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Man, I can't expect my noob mum to play that game? I even let her play PS4 games, she still sucks dude.

Sheesh...noobs..
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Yeah. In my twenties. You?
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Yeah got couple of normal hyperactive (too much for me to handle, at times drive me up the walls) kids.

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Sherlock holmes-ish~ feel? If so i'm watching it  drool.gif  drool.gif
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Passion of Christ was the closest.
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Passion of Christ was the closest.
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Got married at 30, Past the age of 40.

Yeah got couple of normal hyperactive (too much for me to handle, at times drive me up the walls) kids.
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Yeah, kids are always kids. How old are they?

Mine hv all grown up. Sometime really miss those time when they were smaller.

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Passion of Christ was the closest.
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cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif , no detective work? O well.
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Got married at 30, Past the age of 40.

Yeah got couple of normal hyperactive (too much for me to handle, at times drive me up the walls) kids.
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Hey any tips for me? I'm getting married in the summer you know.


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I can't stand the Malaysian weather.

Freaking sauna man. Food is the best though.
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Germany. I lived in Malaysia before I decided to return to Germany for good.

I can't stand the Malaysian weather.

Freaking sauna man. Food is the best though.
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Oops. Did I ask you this question twice? hmm.gif
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Man, you and luffy taste in music and entertainment is totally weird.
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One of my best favorite wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin brows.gif

unknown warrior
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I know some dude PM me before regarding my nationality. Nah I doubt it.

Ask la no big deal. Not like I'm gonna gg.com
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Yeah, kids are always kids. How old are they?

Mine hv all grown up. Sometime really miss those time when they were smaller.
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Still young, both in primary school, one is going to secondary school in couple of years.

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One of my best favorite wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin brows.gif

unknown warrior
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He was carrying a snake before that as a sort of mascot.

Crazy guy.


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He was carrying a snake before that as a sort of mascot.

Crazy guy.
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It's an act man.....but neverless i miss his beer and what quotes thumbup.gif
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I know some dude PM me before regarding my nationality. Nah I doubt it.

Ask la no big deal. Not like I'm gonna gg.com
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Nope. Not me PM you.

Sometimes back. I was also blur in my chatting here with someone whom I didn't realize he or she is from Germany too.

And we were chatting until way passed midnight and then we decided to tuck in and she (I think its a she) said she need to prepare dinner?

And I was like, dinner? at 1:xx am?

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One of my best favorite wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin brows.gif

unknown warrior
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What the heck did I just watch?! rclxub.gif

Austin 3:16?

Some bald dude showing middle finger and keep on repeating same moves over and over again?

Isn't that kinda boring?

luffy you and UW really have weird fetish... blink.gif
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Nope. Not me PM you.

Sometimes back. I was also blur in my chatting here with someone whom I didn't realize he or she is from Germany too.

And we were chatting until way passed midnight and then we decided to tuck in and she (I think its a she) said she need to prepare dinner?

And I was like, dinner? at 1:xx am?
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Oh its you. laugh.gif

Its Ms. Tina FYI.
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What the heck did I just watch?!  rclxub.gif

Austin 3:16?

Some bald dude showing middle finger and keep on repeating same moves over and over again?

Isn't that kinda boring?

luffy you and UW really have weird fetish... blink.gif
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Nah I'm done with WWE, never really watch it anymore ever since the Rock left.

No more interest either.


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Oh its you.  laugh.gif

Its Ms. Tina FYI.
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So I did huh?

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Nah I'm done with WWE, never really watch it anymore ever since the Rock left.

No more interest either.
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Why is the wrestlers names starts with mineral objects?

Watch MMA la. Told you so.
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So I did huh?

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Why is the wrestlers names starts with mineral objects?

Watch MMA la. Told you so.
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oh there's even a wrestler called

The Honky Tonk Man.

lol.

ha ha ha kek.
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What the heck did I just watch?!  rclxub.gif

Austin 3:16?

Some bald dude showing middle finger and keep on repeating same moves over and over again?

Isn't that kinda boring?

luffy you and UW really have weird fetish... blink.gif
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Not weird but it's purely entertainment or to say past entertainment cool2.gif

Let me show you another one clip of another wrestler turn actor
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I heard Windows 10 is still available. Better upgrade dude.
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Windows 10 suck, I've been using it and it lag each time when come to update even though you disable the update it sill will update make your whole system lag until you restart your pc for the new update vmad.gif vmad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
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oh there's even a wrestler called

The Honky Tonk Man.

lol.

ha ha ha kek.
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sounds like a pervert.

QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 23 2016, 10:52 PM)
Not weird but it's purely entertainment or to say past entertainment cool2.gif

Let me show you another one clip of another wrestler turn actor


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ohmy.gif Isn't that the Hollywood actor? I watched "The Tooth Fairy."

Still weird.

Watch MMA la.
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Windows 10 suck, I've been using it and it lag each time when come to update even though you disable the update it sill will update make your whole system lag until you restart your pc for the new update vmad.gif  vmad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif
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laugh.gif

Noob. You need to do a clean installation first. Don't upgrade from Win 8. hehe...

I'm planning to reinstall mine too. (When I say that, it just mean I'm asking my slave brother to do it.) brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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sounds like a pervert.
ohmy.gif Isn't that the Hollywood actor? I watched "The Tooth Fairy."

Still weird.

Watch MMA la.
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MMA boring, very pointless i watch muay thai better more adrenaline blush.gif
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MMA boring, very pointless i watch muay thai better more adrenaline blush.gif
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Windows 10 suck, I've been using it and it lag each time when come to update even though you disable the update it sill will update make your whole system lag until you restart your pc for the new update vmad.gif  vmad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif
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I am using WIn10 at the moment. No problemo.
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oh there's even a wrestler called

The Honky Tonk Man.

lol.

ha ha ha kek.
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Noob. You need to do a clean installation first. Don't upgrade from Win 8. hehe...

I'm planning to reinstall mine too. (When I say that, it just mean I'm asking my slave brother to do it.)  brows.gif  icon_idea.gif
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Mine was an upgrade from previous window 8 and is working fine.

Initially I used to have this auto startup after a couple of minutes every time I shutdown. Thats the only problem. But now no more.
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Mine was an upgrade from previous window 8 and is working fine.

Initially I used to have this auto startup after a couple of minutes every time I shutdown. Thats the only problem. But now no more.
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Mine was from Win 8 too. I have Wifi issues. Keep on disconnecting. But no problem when I used network cable.

I have no Wifi issues with my MAC. rclxm9.gif
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Yeah of course it's fake, that's why it's called Man's Soap opera, lol.

But yeah didn't watch WWE for the longest time. Lost interest in fact.

What's entertainment these days was chatwarrior...lawl.

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Yeah of course it's fake, that's why it's called Man's Soap opera, lol.

But yeah didn't watch WWE for the longest time. Lost interest in fact.

What's entertainment these days was chatwarrior...lawl.
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Chatwarrior got banned right? That bloody wanker.
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Mine was from Win 8 too. I have Wifi issues. Keep on disconnecting. But no problem when I used network cable.

I have no Wifi issues with my MAC.  rclxm9.gif
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I am using WIn10 at the moment. No problemo.
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Chatwarrior got banned right? That bloody wanker.
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Oh is it? seriously?
Does that mean unknownwarrior have to fall back to ww for entertainment? Sad. . .

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Had this problem (wifi connection) back in January but was due to the router. Change it and working fine till now. I hv my modem and router on for 24/7.
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Um..I got no issues connecting to my phones, macbook, laptop, desktop. Modem is fine.

Reinstallation is easier. hehe...
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Ever try to disable your update and see? they force your update even though you disable it, how they force you to update they lag your computer from windows icon unable to open to right click not functioning, open internet lag like throttling your speed
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Hmm. never try that before but I don't see any reason to do that bcos I feel if there's an update it must be a necessary thing to do.
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Oh is it? seriously?
Does that mean unknownwarrior have to fall back to ww for entertainment? Sad. . .
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We used to have "entertainment" here too. de1929 is another bloody wanker.

Si bapa de1929 otaknya kuat pusing banget sih.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 23 2016, 11:18 PM)
Chatwarrior got banned right? That bloody wanker.
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Oh is it? seriously?
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Yeah and the unbelievable part is, Atheist are rooting for his thread to be reinstated.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3868565



I mean first of all that guy is a nut case and I thought they would have more sense in their head to see that.

Sometime I just don't understand Why support a thread that is baseless? He keeps on repeating Jesus copy Buddha like it's discovery of the century.
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Yeah and the unbelievable part is, Atheist are rooting for his thread to be reinstated.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3868565
I mean first of all that guy is a nut case and I thought they would have more sense in their head to see that.

Sometime I just don't understand Why support a thread that is baseless? He keeps on repeating Jesus copy Buddha like it's discovery of the century.
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OMG. So many bloody wankers.

Jesus copy Buddha sounds so lame..How many times must he repeat that?
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We used to have "entertainment" here too. de1929 is another bloody wanker.

Si bapa de1929 otaknya kuat pusing banget sih.
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Just curious. Don't mind I ask. May I know what is your race?
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Does that mean unknownwarrior have to fall back to ww for entertainment? Sad. . .
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Nah I'm done with those guys.


Don't think they want to actually understand our views.

More like to enforce their Atheist view no matter what.
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Just curious. Don't mind I ask. May I know what is your race?
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Trying to learn Mandarin.


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Nah I'm done with those guys.
Don't think they want to actually understand our views.

More like to enforce their Atheist view no matter what.
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He seems to confuse himself. He was saying he is the next Buddha, so he is not an atheist.
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Half German, half Malaysian. I speak German, a bit of English, Indon, Dutch.

Trying to learn Mandarin.
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go learn hokkien before you learn mandarin
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Teach me some Hokkien la.

Ni chi fan le ma?
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Teach me some Hokkien la.

Ni chi fan le ma?
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Hokkien - Lu cia pa boi?
Cantonese - lei sek pau mei?
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He seems to confuse himself. He was saying he is the next Buddha, so he is not an atheist.
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never met such a lunatic in my life.
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Hokkien - Lu cia pa boi?
Cantonese - lei sek pau mei?
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si bapa bicara apa sama gue?
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si bapa bicara apa sama gue?
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Its your
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ching mun, gay daw cheen? Gay?
Chee saw hai been doe ah? See-saw?

Er, I just copy and paste from website. Is this even correct? laugh.gif
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ching mun, gay daw cheen? Gay?
Chee saw hai been doe ah? See-saw?

Er, I just copy and paste from website. Is this even correct?  laugh.gif
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ching mun, gay daw cheen? Gay?

May (I) ask, how much?

May (I) ask - kind of direct translate. It can be May (i) know too

Ask for 'Gay?' Not sure exactly what you trying to say. 'Gay' as in How?

Chee saw hai been doe ah? See-saw?

Chee saw - Toilet/washroom

Hai been doe - where?
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Oh gue faham. Hari ini Tina mahu masak babi guling. Pernah pergi Bali? Babi guling amat "famous" di sana.
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Never been to Bali.

Places I have been

Singapore (Obviously)
Thailand
Japan
Korea.

Planning to take my family to either Japan or Korea this year. Been planning to take my wife to Japan for donkey years now but each time either no budget or wrong timing.
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ching mun, gay daw cheen? Gay?

May (I) ask, how much?

May (I) ask - kind of direct translate. It can be May (i) know too

Ask for 'Gay?' Not sure exactly what you trying to say. 'Gay' as in How?

Chee saw hai been doe ah? See-saw?

Chee saw - Toilet/washroom

Hai been doe - where?
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Its so funny because there's English word in it. laugh.gif
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Hokkien language is the most prominent language in ancient China, with Tang Dynasty official language is Hokkien also hakka language is branch off from hokkien as well
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Its so funny because there's English word in it.  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif

Else how do you learn? direct from chinese words?

Chinese is one of the most difficult language to learn because there's no A E I O U.

You just have to memories each word.
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Never been to Bali.

Places I have been

Singapore (Obviously)
Thailand
Japan
Korea.

Planning to take my family to either Japan or Korea this year. Been planning to take my wife to Japan for donkey years now but each time either no budget or wrong timing.
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I think this year would be perfect due to the weak economy, ie, flights are definitely much cheaper than last year.

Japan is nice. The Onsen, nature walk, etc..
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Hokkien language is the most prominent language in ancient China, with Tang Dynasty official language is Hokkien also hakka language is branch off from hokkien as well
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I am hokkien but seriously I find hokkien language kind of 'rough'. Don't know if thats how to describe it.
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Hokkien language is the most prominent language in ancient China, with Tang Dynasty official language is Hokkien also hakka language is branch off from hokkien as well
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Hokkien, Hakka, rclxub.gif

How many Chinese dialects are there?
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I think this year would be perfect due to the weak economy, ie, flights are definitely much cheaper than last year.

Japan is nice. The Onsen, nature walk, etc..
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Yeah but the problem is Malaysia Ringgit is dropping like a brick! cry.gif
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Yeah but the problem is Malaysia Ringgit is dropping like a brick!  cry.gif
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I saw Osaka RM1500++ last month or something.
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Hokkien, Hakka,  rclxub.gif

How many Chinese dialects are there?
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Si bapa ada bicara kita mahu simpan duit kalau mahu jalan-jalan.

I saw Osaka RM1500++ last month or something.
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But timing. From Airasia?

Sometime those airasia price are gimmick. Applicable for 1way and they chop you down properly for the return ticket.
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plenty, not mentioning those minorities languages
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What?! there's minorities languages as well?

QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 24 2016, 12:46 AM)
But timing. From Airasia?

Sometime those airasia price are gimmick. Applicable for 1way and they chop you down properly for the return ticket.
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Yup Airasia. It included return. Plus tax, etc should be RM1700.
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What?! there's minorities languages as well?
Yup Airasia. It included return. Plus tax, etc should be RM1700.
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go read up, the history of china, they got Karen, Mao, and many more unreached
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go read up, the history of china, they got Karen, Mao, and many more unreached
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I think I'm gonna watch documentary on China. hehe...

Wait is Karen a female name or something else? blush.gif
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What?! there's minorities languages as well?
Yup Airasia. It included return. Plus tax, etc should be RM1700.
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Ah. Serious.

Will check it up.

Not going to prepare your dinner yet? Think its around this hour you need to do that?

What type of dishes you make best?
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I am hokkien but seriously I find hokkien language kind of 'rough'. Don't know if thats how to describe it.
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I think Mandarin sounds rough too. Its like they are yelling all the time.
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I think Mandarin sounds rough too. Its like they are yelling all the time.
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How shall I put it. Its the language itself. Kind of difficult to explain.
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Ah. Serious.

Will check it up.

Not going to prepare your dinner yet? Think its around this hour you need to do that?

What type of dishes you make best?
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Apfelstrudel - Apple strudel

Kartoffelpuffer - Fried pancakes

Rote grutze - Fruit pudding

Saurbraten - Pot roast

Schwarzwalder Kirschtorte - Black forest cake

Schnitzel - Meat cutlet

Bratwurst - Sausage

Gruenkohl - Potato salad

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Hmm, its not the loudness that I am referring to.

How shall I put it. Its the language itself. Kind of difficult to explain.
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Coarse? laugh.gif
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Apfelstrudel - Apple strudel

Kartoffelpuffer - Fried pancakes

Rote grutze - Fruit pudding

Saurbraten - Pot roast

Schwarzwalder Kirschtorte - Black forest cake

Schnitzel - Meat cutlet

Bratwurst - Sausage

Gruenkohl - Potato salad

Spargel creme suppe - Asparagus soup

Sauerkraut - White cabbage

Weisswurst - minced veal and pork sausage
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Wow, that list. shocking.gif Your future husband is sure one fortunate man.

I love to cook too. Want to learn some dishes from you. drool.gif
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Well I have prep my babi guling earlier. icon_idea.gif

Mum is making Chinese fried rice. rclxm9.gif

My brother is making apple pie dessert.
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Wow, that list.  shocking.gif  Your future husband is sure one fortunate man.

I love to cook too. Want to learn some dishes from you.  drool.gif
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Much longer. I'm lazy to type. hehe...

The dude only knows how to cook fried eggs, toast and hot dog. doh.gif

Typical ABC.
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Much longer. I'm lazy to type. hehe...

The dude only knows how to cook fried eggs, toast and hot dog.  doh.gif

Typical ABC.
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doh.gif You already occupied such a long list. There's nothing left but fried eggs, toast and hot dog for him. Poor man cry.gif
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doh.gif You already occupied such a long list. There's nothing left but fried eggs, toast and hot dog for him. Poor man  cry.gif
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Well, later we gonna get a maid. I'm not making sandwich in the kitchen.

Cooking is like fine art you know.
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Well, later we gonna get a maid. I'm not making sandwich in the kitchen.

Cooking is like fine art you know.
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Maybe we can exchange some recipe sometime.

Need to go for a short tour of duty before I jump into bed.

Enjoy your dinner and nice chatting with you.
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Maybe we can exchange some recipe sometime.

Need to go for a short tour of duty before I jump into bed.

Enjoy your dinner and nice chatting with you.
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Yeah sure.

Take it easy dude. Take it easy with unknown warrior. He's an old dude you know.
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ALL SPIRITUAL REALITY IS IN THE HOLY SPIRIT

In John 14 the Lord said that when He went away, He would send the Holy Spirit. What does the Holy Spirit do when He comes? When He comes, the Holy Spirit guides us into all the reality. When we tell people that there is God, they may ask, "Where is God?" To man, God is not real. But we have to remember that in the Holy Spirit God is real. When a person touches the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit brings him into the reality where he is able to touch God. When we tell people that Jesus was crucified, this is merely a doctrine to them. To them, the cross is not real. But in the Holy Spirit the cross becomes real, and in the Holy Spirit man can touch and experience the cross. In the same principle, when we tell the children of God that they are of Christ and that they have been resurrected with Christ, this may be vague to them. When they touch the Holy Spirit, however, this spiritual reality will be in them, and resurrection will become real to them.

For example, when we preach the gospel to people, we may tell them that Jesus died for them on the cross and shed His precious blood for them. However, if they ask, "Where is the cross? Where is this precious blood?" we are not able to show them these things. Although we are not able to show them, as we are speaking to them, the Holy Spirit creates an image in their spirit, showing them the scene of the Lord on the cross so that they not only hear the truth of the gospel but also see a spiritual vision of what they are hearing. This spiritual vision is spiritual reality. The cross, resurrection, ascension, and all that God is and has done are in the Holy Spirit. All spiritual reality is in the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit brings God Himself, incarnation, redemption, the shedding of blood, the substitutionary death, resurrection, ascension, glory, authority, and the throne to man. After passing through all these processes, God became the Spirit of reality. All spiritual reality is in the Holy Spirit. In ourselves, our ability to experience spiritual reality is limited by time and space, but time and space do not exist in the Holy Spirit, and He has brought all these realities directly into us. In the past all these realities were not available to us. But today the shedding of the precious blood, resurrection, ascension, and all these realities are in the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit has brought all these realities into us.


THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF REALITY

All spiritual reality is in the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of reality. In the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of reality, God is real. In addition, incarnation, the cross, resurrection, ascension, the throne, authority, blessing, and the glory in the heavens are all real. If all these things were not in the Holy Spirit, there would be no spiritual reality. This is why many unbelievers ask: "Is there God in this universe?" "Is there the cross?" "Is there resurrection?" "Is there ascension?" Although there is truly a spiritual reality of all these matters, for finite man all of these matters are too far away. To those who believe in God, however, these things are very close, even intimately close, because all these things are in the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is in those who believe. Whenever we touch the Holy Spirit, all these matters become real to us, because all these matters are real in the Holy Spirit. Whenever we touch the Holy Spirit, we touch death, resurrection, ascension, and the throne. To those who have never touched the Holy Spirit, all these things seem not to exist.

SPIRITUAL REALITY NOT BEING
PRODUCED BY IMITATION

The reality of everything that we believe is in the Holy Spirit. What we believe does not come to us through teaching, rebuking, exhortation, copying, or imitation. Any living that is the result of imitation is not a genuine Christian living. The genuine Christian living does not come from imitation or teaching but from the Spirit. In the past, there was a brother from Germany named George Müller. This brother knew how to come near to God and receive the leading of the Spirit in his spirit. He was one who had many experiences of faith. As a result, many Christians from the past imitated him, and even today many continue to do so. However, none of those who have tried merely to imitate him have learned to do so successfully, because spirituality does not come from learning or imitation. Spiritual reality depends on the human spirit touching the Spirit of God. Because spiritual reality is in the Holy Spirit, in order for a person to have it, his human spirit has to touch the Holy Spirit.

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First time in this sub-forum.

I have a very basic question and hope someone can enlightened me.

What are the differences between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant?
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First time in this sub-forum. 

I have a very basic question and hope someone can enlightened me.

What are the differences between Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant?
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Orthodox and Catholics are steep in Church tradition and practises.

Protestant are somewhat simpler.
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Orthodox and Catholics are steep in Church tradition and practises.

Protestant are somewhat simpler.
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Then what's the difference between Orthodox and Catholics?

Also, when one says he or she is a Christian, does it means he or she is a Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant or ALL?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 24 2016, 01:24 AM)
Yeah sure.

Take it easy dude. Take it easy with unknown warrior. He's an old dude you know.
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QUOTE(shioks @ Feb 24 2016, 02:44 PM)
Then what's the difference between Orthodox and Catholics?

Also, when one says he or she is a Christian, does it means he or she is a Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant or ALL?
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My take. He/she believe in Jesus Christ as our saviour. It does not matter which group he/she is from.
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QUOTE(shioks @ Feb 24 2016, 02:44 PM)
Then what's the difference between Orthodox and Catholics?

Also, when one says he or she is a Christian, does it means he or she is a Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant or ALL?
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We're all Christians.

Orthodox does not recognize a Pope as leader of all christians. They believe all elected Bishop are of equal authority over each own Church.
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I thought Orthodox was part of Catholic and Protestant was a spin off of Catholic, no?
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I thought Orthodox was part of Catholic and Protestant was a spin off of Catholic, no?
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The word Orthodox means Straight / correct teaching as thus they consider themselves more "authentic" than the Catholics and likewise the Catholic consider themselves to be the true Church among all denomination, which in actual truth... these sort of segregation the very reasons why denomination happens.

Protestant are not a spin off but a break away from the Catholics because at one point of time the Roman Catholics got involved in political power corruption and there was some errornous practices of doctrine such as paying money to do away with sin.

Personally I don't believe in "denomination". I believe in just plain "christian" because that is in the Bible. Interestingly denomination is not even in the Bible.

I've heard of a sermon, the reason why Denomination happened is because of the progression of revelation revealed throughout the centuries.

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 24 2016, 01:24 AM)
Yeah sure.

Take it easy dude. Take it easy with unknown warrior. He's an old dude you know.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 24 2016, 01:24 AM)
Yeah sure.

Take it easy dude. Take it easy with unknown warrior. He's an old dude you know.
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Poor unknown warrior got labeled as old man, lel laugh.gif
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Hey unknown warrior, what do you think of this?

The Devil’s Hour: This Is Why You Might Feel Spooked Out At 3am
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Hey unknown warrior, what do you think of this?

The Devil’s Hour: This Is Why You Might Feel Spooked Out At 3am
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Superstition.

Demons are out there 24/7, not only heightened at 3AM.

As Christians we must be careful not to believe any superstition because it can be opportunities given to the enemy to cause problems.

And Also not to be afraid of them because you have One in you whom they are more afraid of.

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Uh...

I leave for 24 hours come back to 136 messages. What happened laugh.gif suddenly things got lively.
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Bible Devotion

Hebrews 11:6 (NIV) - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

As Christians, we are all familiar with the verse of Faith in Hebrews 11, that Faith is the confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. In my last Bible devotion I've showed in one translation, Faith is the title deed to claim our inheritance in God.

But Many Christians do not have revelation of the 2nd Definition of Faith which is in verse 6 as stated above. They know the first part which says: anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists but have doubts on the 2nd part that says: and that he (God) rewards those who earnestly seek him.

I believe this is one of the keys missing as to why most Christians don't get their prayers answered.

Dear Friends, don't rationalize with your mind whether God will reward you or not. Because the moment you even start to rationalize, you'll start thinking whether you're good enough, obeyed enough, been pious enough, qualified enough for God to reward you. No Friends. There is no qualification in Faith. Faith is simply BELIEVING that God will reward you.

I hope you'll get this revelation deep in your spirit so that you can start receiving all that you've been missing out from our Father in Heaven who dearly loves you and holds you eternally in his hand which NO ONE can snatch you out from. You are eternally loved and eternally saved If you believe and hold on tenaciously to the eternal words of God as true without wavering.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 24 2016, 04:43 PM)
Poor unknown warrior got labeled as old man, lel laugh.gif
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my verdicts, Darlene latest song thumbup.gif Lecrae, who is the blue hell is He? I don't understand what he's rapping about at all doh.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 25 2016, 08:47 AM)
Blindspot is older. sleep.gif
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So, did I won anything? brows.gif

For your info, i didn't respond to 'that' bcos I don't think she meant old as in age. So I don't want to fight for the 'credit' seriously.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 24 2016, 09:36 PM)
Hey unknown warrior, what do you think of this?

The Devil’s Hour: This Is Why You Might Feel Spooked Out At 3am
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 24 2016, 09:40 PM)
Superstition.

Demons are out there 24/7, not only heightened at 3AM.

As Christians we must be careful not to believe any superstition because it can be opportunities given to the enemy to cause problems.

And Also not to be afraid of them because you have One in you whom they are more afraid of.
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Hmm come to think of it, its quite frequent that I woke up around 3:30 ~3:45am. hmm.gif

But my guess was, I had too much coffee in the afternoon/evening.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 25 2016, 11:17 AM)
Hmm come to think of it, its quite frequent that I woke up around 3:30 ~3:45am.  hmm.gif

But my guess was, I had too much coffee in the afternoon/evening.
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maybe simply because you drank too much and need to go to the washroom?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 25 2016, 08:37 AM)
Because the moment you even start to rationalize, you'll start thinking whether you're good enough, obeyed enough, been pious enough, qualified enough for God to reward you. No Friends. There is no qualification in Faith. Faith is simply BELIEVING that God will reward you.
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QUOTE(phillip88 @ Feb 25 2016, 11:31 AM)
maybe simply because you drank too much and need to go to the washroom?
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Hmmm. hmm.gif

Nope. No urge to go to the washroom.

In fact I seldom woke up to visit the washroom unless I drank alot of water before I go to bed which I hardly do.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 25 2016, 11:49 AM)
Hmmm.  hmm.gif 

Nope. No urge to go to the washroom.

In fact I seldom woke up to visit the washroom unless I drank alot of water before I go to bed which I hardly do.
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I notice sometimes I woke up around midnight because the temperature changes. Suddenly it seems warmer.
But most of the time, the drowsiness will pull me back to the dreams lol.
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QUOTE(phillip88 @ Feb 25 2016, 11:52 AM)
I notice sometimes I woke up around midnight because the temperature changes. Suddenly it seems warmer.
But most of the time, the drowsiness will pull me back to the dreams lol.
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Well, as for me if I were to be awake around those time, usually it will take me about an hour before I dozed off again.

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Wow, take a look at the progress of the robot technology.

Impressive and scary at the same time.

http://nerdist.com/the-next-generation-of-...ngly-competent/
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Something insight on Benny Hinn I found on Wikipedia. No wonder that senile guy who claim himself as a prophet anointed by God doh.gif

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Hinn's teachings are Evangelical and charismatic, accepting the validity of spiritual gifts, and Word of Faith in origin, with a focus on financial prosperity. Some doctrine and practices that Hinn teaches would be thought unusual in mainstream Christianity.[15] The charismatic Christian community (who, according to a recent study by The Barna Group, make up 46% of United States Protestants and 36% of United States Catholics),[16] is very diverse, and Hinn's ideas are not universally accepted.
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The notion of believing in Christ leading to financial prosperity is a misconception. Christ asked you to take up the cross not financial prosperity.
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The notion of believing in Christ leading to financial prosperity is a misconception.  Christ asked you to take up the cross not financial prosperity.
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Amen to that smile.gif
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 25 2016, 11:17 AM)
Hmm come to think of it, its quite frequent that I woke up around 3:30 ~3:45am.  hmm.gif

But my guess was, I had too much coffee in the afternoon/evening.
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Every day I'm awake past 3-4 AM nothing happen oso
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Every day I'm awake past 3-4 AM nothing happen oso
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Past 3am to 4am i'm sleeping like a log on my bed. if i'm awake i goes to toilet for break then go back to sleep till morning 8am or near 8.30am. Rare ocassion wake up at 5am for toilet break, prepare oat drink for my mom and fill up the hot water in her jar for then already awake stayed up watching my downloaded tv drama that was unable to watch earlier that night
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Feb 25 2016, 05:46 PM)
Every day I'm awake past 3-4 AM nothing happen oso
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I didn't say anything happen.

I am just saying I woke up around that time quite frequently.

I just woke up that's all for no apparent reason and it takes me about an hour to dozed off again.

I also mentioned it could be due to drinking too much coffee during afternoon/evening time. smile.gif

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 25 2016, 05:56 PM)
Past 3am to 4am i'm sleeping like a log on my bed. if i'm awake i goes to toilet for break then go back to sleep till morning 8am or near 8.30am. Rare ocassion wake up at 5am for toilet break, prepare oat drink for my mom and fill up the hot water in her jar for then already awake stayed up watching my downloaded tv drama that was unable to watch earlier that night
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Wow, you are such a filial daughter! innocent.gif

Wish my daughter is like that. . . mad.gif
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Every week I have one to two days woke in between 2 p.m.to 3 p.m. in cold sweats. And I know that fellow visited me!
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Lol, i also wake up around that time few times then just sleep. Been like that for the past week.. i thought it is just my biological clock doing its thing. Now there may be other explanations tongue.gif
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Serve for the love of God not men.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 24 2016, 09:40 PM)
Superstition.

Demons are out there 24/7, not only heightened at 3AM.

As Christians we must be careful not to believe any superstition because it can be opportunities given to the enemy to cause problems.

And Also not to be afraid of them because you have One in you whom they are more afraid of.
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I totally agree. When I was in university staying with this Indonesian roomate of mine long time ago (before I was a Christian), an apparation appear around 4am. Sheesh man!! I had an exam in the morning. doh.gif

Luckily I passed or else I would scold the bloody wanker!

QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 25 2016, 02:19 PM)

This is better best of Darlene Zschech written songs cool.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 25 2016, 08:37 AM)
Dear Friends, don't rationalize with your mind whether God will reward you or not. Because the moment you even start to rationalize, you'll start thinking whether you're good enough, obeyed enough, been pious enough, qualified enough for God to reward you. No Friends. There is no qualification in Faith. Faith is simply BELIEVING that God will reward you.
Is that sound like the Prodigal son story? Where the brother got angry because after so many years of toiled labours, his father didn't reward him? But when his younger brother returned, the father threw a lavish welcoming party, he got jealous instead?

hehehe...
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QUOTE(shioks @ Feb 25 2016, 04:32 PM)
The notion of believing in Christ leading to financial prosperity is a misconception.  Christ asked you to take up the cross not financial prosperity.
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I for one don't agree with prosperity gospels. But unknown warrior have a different view on this. whistling.gif

Yes I believed God shall provide for us, nevertheless He has provided US with enough.

I just don't like prosperity preachers misleading the congregations. Thats all.

To me, prosperity gospels sounds like MLM. laugh.gif
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Wow, you are such a filial daughter!  innocent.gif

Wish my daughter is like that. . . mad.gif
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FYI, de luffy is not a girl. hehe...

This really made my day...

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QUOTE(shioks @ Feb 25 2016, 07:42 PM)
Every week I have one to two days woke in between 2 p.m.to 3 p.m. in cold sweats.  And I know that fellow visited me!
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What the duck? So who visited you dude?
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So unknown warrior, what do you think of this?

Woman, 23, Begs To Die After Insect Bite Leaves Her Bed-Ridden For 11 Years

IF she's a Christian, what would you think she should do? What should her family do?

#NOTJUDGING
#UWNOTOLD
#WWESUCK
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 25 2016, 09:52 PM)
So unknown warrior, what do you think of this?

Woman, 23, Begs To Die After Insect Bite Leaves Her Bed-Ridden For 11 Years

IF she's a Christian, what would you think she should do? What should her family do?

#NOTJUDGING
#UWNOTOLD
#WWESUCK
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Feb 25 2016, 10:03 PM)
The hashtags  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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#WHOTHEHECKWAKEUPAT3AMANDPEE?
#IPEEBEFOREISLEEP
#NOTJUDGINGOLDDUDESHEREBECAUSEIKNOWONEDAYIWILLWAKEUPATTHREEANDPEE
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 25 2016, 10:11 PM)
#WHOTHEHECKWAKEUPAT3AMANDPEE?
#IPEEBEFOREISLEEP
#NOTJUDGINGOLDDUDESHEREBECAUSEIKNOWONEDAYIWILLWAKEUPATTHREEANDPEE
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 25 2016, 09:35 PM)
I for one don't agree with prosperity gospels. But unknown warrior have a different view on this.  whistling.gif

Yes I believed God shall provide for us, nevertheless He has provided US with enough.

I just don't like prosperity preachers misleading the congregations. Thats all.

To me, prosperity gospels sounds like MLM.  laugh.gif
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Historically, all the well known pastors and missionaries took up their cross. I don't see them financially prosperous except spiritually rewarding. I only see modern day pastors financially prosperous like the case of City Harvest pastor.
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What the duck? So who visited you dude?
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Depending on which view you take...LOL
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QUOTE(shioks @ Feb 25 2016, 10:14 PM)
Historically, all the well known pastors and missionaries took up their cross.  I don't see them financially prosperous except spiritually rewarding.  I only see modern day pastors financially prosperous like the case of City Harvest pastor.
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IKR. Who needs an expensive mansion or superjet? I'll understand if the pastors want to housed poor and unprivilleged kids, etc, in the mansion...but the whole mansion for himself? ohmy.gif

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Depending on which view you take...LOL
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Well, if you have been to Nigeria, you would know half of the 200 private jets are owned by pastors.
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de_luffy, so I was watching this documentary about China..Did you know that “pigtails” were associated with a girl’s marital status. A young girl would wear two pigtails, and when she married, she would wear just one. This may have contributed to the Western view that pigtails are associated with children and young girls. shocking.gif


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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 25 2016, 12:29 PM)
Wow, take a look at the progress of the robot technology.

Impressive and scary at the same time.

http://nerdist.com/the-next-generation-of-...ngly-competent/
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We have Robotics event in Europe. This year is in Slovenia.

http://www.erf2016.eu/
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 25 2016, 09:47 PM)
FYI, de luffy is not a girl. hehe...

This really made my day...

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Oops. de_luffy I AM SO SO SO Sorry. My apology. sad.gif

And initially I though you - tinarhian - are male.

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 25 2016, 11:16 PM)
Oops. de_luffy I AM SO SO SO Sorry. My apology.  sad.gif

And initially I though you - tinarhian - are male.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 25 2016, 11:31 PM)
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Annoyed la..

Si bapa ngak mengerti gambar ini? Waduh. Tina amat marah sekali...
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Wow, you are such a filial daughter!  innocent.gif

Wish my daughter is like that. . . mad.gif
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Lol, I'm ain't a lady I'm a guy who is interested in japanese cultures including anime doh.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 25 2016, 10:37 PM)
de_luffy, so I was watching this documentary about China..Did you know that “pigtails” were associated with a girl’s marital status. A young girl would wear two pigtails, and when she married, she would wear just one. This may have contributed to the Western view that pigtails are associated with children and young girls.  shocking.gif
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well this was a standard practice during qing dynasty, i guess the tradition still carry on for most chine family especially in rural area while in city area, hardly can see those pig tail anymore
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 25 2016, 08:36 PM)
Last sunday at DUMC, the message had a tune of change. At first, I heard about spirit of brotherhood, fellowship and accountability.

And then the pastor talk about single people at the church. Then its that theme again - give and give and give.

He speaks of the singles have all the time in the world to serve because their focus is not distracted. True.

He says to serve will improve maturity in Christ. Not True!

Why I say this, during my time of serving, I have watched the most immature christians I have ever encountered ! I believe serving creates more attitude problem people. I know one christian brother who served full time, is one of the most anal guy i have ever met. When I go out mamak with him, he told me to buy the satay 15 sticks, he ate 3 sticks, he say to me "nah you pay la, and eat the rest !". What an ass. Then during conversation, if say something he dun like, he got so many hot buttons, he will threaten to walk out. Question the church system of multiplicating cg also, he get angry and threaten to abandon me in middle of no where because I follow his car. Apa ini? How to evangelise when he get angry so easily? Some more he cg leader. What a moron.

I would say it has to come with a proper syllabus of bible study, lots of quiet time, fellowship and love from fellow church members, experience with handling people, a bit of street smart, common sense and then only serving would create an army of mature christian. Not the discipline of serving alone.

He say the singles should serve. Exploitation !!!! Slave labour !!!! Just because we are singles doesn't mean we got all the time in the world. Again- the theme of serving, every week they are preaching this !!!! Can't they just spare one sermon without the veiled attempt to recruit servers. We know what to do. Isn't going out to the marketplace, being with our friends and family also part of serving? Serving is not limited to helping the church activities. We go to work, its our role as ambassadors of Christ to share the gospel and show them good conduct. That's where the church is missing. THey want us to spend our whole weekends at church, no wonder so many poor guys and girls in their 30s and 40s still single at the church. The leaders there must be relishing, they got so many new recruits who can spend time serving. Its a big wonder that marriage and finding life partner is the least emphasis at DUMC !

You should speak to some of the singles there, complete ultras ! They are so indoctrinated. At least there is a change in the pastors message, he tells the singles to relate to each other, I think the Holy Spirit is starting to touch the leadership, on the need for fellowship and feeling connected to the church. Some of the singles there are very indoctrinated and not friendly to other singles.
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I feel you and I can relate to what you are experiencing.

I have been commenting about those issue in the last few pages (starting from Page 14. #275).

Good conduct and responsible behavior that reflects being a good christian is lacking very badly. And its giving christian a bad name. I cannot understand why those who attended church frequently can't see those problem. Or merely turn a blind eye or trying to be 'politically correct'.

Question the church system of multiplicating cg also, he get angry and threaten to abandon me in middle of no where because I follow his car.

Now this is bad and irresponsible. Its really humiliating to you to say the least. You should stop following him next time.

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Lol, I'm ain't a lady I'm a guy who is interested in japanese cultures including anime doh.gif
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Oops. de_luffy I AM SO SO SO Sorry. My apology.  sad.gif

And initially I though you - tinarhian - are male.
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I think prosperity is part of the life cycle, we cannot avoid it no matter how we try to turn away, same goes with prosperity teaching but not financial prosperity......

Prosperity teaching is important as every church needed a fund to run the church, and more ever if the church keep growing of course they needed a bigger place to cater the growing worshippers. without funds, we're unable to support both local and oversea missionaries or any instruments needed for worship, over the years those equipment will have their expiry date and time to service to extend it lifespan or worse case time to get a new one.....all those need funds
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 26 2016, 12:25 AM)
Lol, I'm ain't a lady I'm a guy who is interested in japanese cultures including anime doh.gif
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Having said that, its kind of rare nowaday that a boy help out in the house too. That's why I thought you were a girl.

My daughter and me do watch anime too last time - Fullmetal Alchemist but after that, not many as interesting as that show anymore, so watch less now unless there's some interesting one came up.
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Having said that, its kind of rare nowaday that a boy help out in the house too. That's why I thought you were a girl.

My daughter and me do watch anime too last time - Fullmetal Alchemist but after that, not many as interesting as that show anymore, so watch less now unless there's some interesting one came up.
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FMA kinda boring, i prefer those comedy with adventures
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FMA kinda boring, i prefer those comedy with adventures
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2 Corinthians 8:9 (NIV) -For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich."

First of all notice that, interestingly this verse is put under the title of The Collection for the Lord’s People of the NIV version of the Bible. Why? Because chapter 8 of the 2 Corinthians is talking about Church Collections, Gifts to the Church. And in verse 7 it says: But since you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in you —see that you also excel in this grace of giving.

If you notice the highlighted bold part it's talking about the grace of giving! So 2 Corinthians 8:9 has to do very much with Providence. It has nothing to do with Spiritual in context although it can be but we need not shy away the moment subject like money or prosperity is mentioned. The problem with subject of money is that there are extreme ends which are wrong.

The very contended subject of one end has been about prosperity gospel and the other end is to say there is no such thing as prosperity in the gospel.

Let me start by saying We have a God who loves to prosper his people. (Psalm 35:27 KJV) - Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.)

Next we need to define what is prosperity according to the Bible and this is the biggest misunderstanding that christian has. Most of the time the mere mention of the word "prosperity" to the average christians, they'll say Financially Rich equivalent to Millionaires or Billionaires. Ask anyone about this, and you'll know what I say is true. This is the biggest stumbling block that causes christian worldwide not to understand what prosperity is all about.

Prosperity according to the Bible is this: To be in a position / place of no lack. It is about welfare of the said person. In fact the word Salvation or Shalom in the Hebrew means: completeness, soundness, welfare, peace It is an encompassing wholeness, holistically COMPLETE in every area, be it providence, healing, peace of mind, protection, etc.

Psalm 23:1 says this: The LORD is my shepherd, I lack nothing. So even if you're a low income earner but you have no needs; you don't owe money to people, you have more than enough to eat, you can spend some money to enjoy your life.....you are Rich and you are in the position of Prosperity. THAT is Biblical and God is more than willing to bring you to that position. Because there are very rich people who have millions in the bank and yet is never enough for them because they have MUCH "needs".

The secret to the wellbeing of our prosperity is to keep our eyes on our Saviour Jesus Christ and not on the money. I've always said this: There is no such thing as the prosperity gospel. The Gospel is about the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ BUT when you believe in the gospel, prosperity like all other promised such as healing, protection is part of the package. I hope with all that being said, you have a proper view of this matter.

God Bless.

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Well, maybe its for more mature audience.
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if you are into mecha type you can try Gundam anime.

If you like those comedy no matter what type it is associated with there's plenty.

my current watch list

Fairy tail zero
One piece
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Garo: the crimson moon
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This is what wikipedia said about Prosperity gospels:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
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Prosperity Gospel overall is not bad but it's how we implement it or how we translate the meaning of it. The word Prosperity has been used in the bible since beginning of Genesis when God first Created Man and Women up to the time of the Apostles
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 26 2016, 10:28 AM)
if you are into mecha type you can try Gundam anime.

If you like those comedy no matter what type it is associated with there's plenty.

my current watch list

Fairy tail zero
One piece
Gundam
Garo: the crimson moon
Divine gate
Gate
Schwaraken
Akagami no Shirayuki
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Not really into mecha but i did watch one which hv mecha too and abit comedy. Can't remember the name. It Gundam something.

FMA is the anime that got us interested in watching anime and its the only anime that we always can't wait to catch the next episode. The only one we view the whole episode actually.

From your list, my daugter did watch fairy tail zero and akagami no shirayuki.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 26 2016, 12:11 PM)
Not really into mecha but i did watch one which hv mecha too and abit comedy. Can't remember the name. It Gundam something.

FMA is the anime that got us interested in watching anime and its the only anime that we always can't wait to catch the next episode. The only one we view the whole episode actually.

From your list, my daugter did watch fairy tail zero and akagami no shirayuki.
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Maybe you can follow Dragon ball series? latest series ongoing Dragon Ball Super on my watch list too
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 26 2016, 10:51 AM)
Prosperity Gospel overall is not bad but it's how we implement it or how we translate the meaning of it. The word Prosperity has been used in the bible since beginning of Genesis when God first Created Man and Women up to the time of the Apostles
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nothing is wrong with prosperity. i'm not against prosperity. what is wrong is that modern day churches have been preaching believing in Christ would be prosperous and willingly giving will be prosperous. this is not right.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 26 2016, 12:11 PM)
Not really into mecha but i did watch one which hv mecha too and abit comedy. Can't remember the name. It Gundam something.

FMA is the anime that got us interested in watching anime and its the only anime that we always can't wait to catch the next episode. The only one we view the whole episode actually.

From your list, my daugter did watch fairy tail zero and akagami no shirayuki.
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This season you must watch Boku dake ga Inai Machi a.k.a Erased a.k.a Bokumachi.

Best Mystery anime this season. Every episode will leave you wanting to see the next ep. It'll be 12 episodes too. Very short.
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I SEE ANIME DISCUSSION

This season you must watch Boku dake ga Inai Machi a.k.a Erased a.k.a Bokumachi.

Best Mystery anime this season. Every episode will leave you wanting to see the next ep. It'll be 12 episodes too. Very short.
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I am also a sinner la, so would say no such thing as a perfect christian.

The problem is not his reaction, it is the way the leadership overfocus on serving.

The leadership has spoken little about kindness, character building, serving one another, brotherhood, accountability, etc. After all, if we want to be community to the others, how are we to serve others, when we cannot even serve each other.

It starts with us, and most importantly the leadership of the church, what they preach on Sunday sermon. If they keep on insisting us to pay sin tax of giving then ultimately it works up to guilt. And with guilt, unkindness, politics and nastiness between christians. When this happens, we become fake, like MLM agents to those we are ministering to. That's why most unbelievers tell me that they find christians not genuine, only want their soul. Even new believers tend to fall out because no one bother to follow up. Its so lazy of us to just leave it to God to do his work for us.

When I mention this to my leaders, their reply is focus on God not the mistakes of mankind. They do have a point but by saying this, they just don't want to improve themselves and ignore the whole problem. That's why in ministries, politics is so prevailing.

DOn't get me wrong, I am not looking for perfection, just at least something the church leaders should galvanize us to look at, rather than telling us to serve all day long.
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What's wrong with serving? serving has many meaning you know doesn't need to serve in church to be called serving, serving means love the lord your god with all your heart mind and soul
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 26 2016, 07:25 PM)
I am also a sinner la, so would say no such thing as a perfect christian.

The problem is not his reaction, it is the way the leadership overfocus on serving.

The leadership has spoken little about kindness, character building, serving one another, brotherhood, accountability, etc. After all, if we want to be community to the others, how are we to serve others, when we cannot even serve each other.

It starts with us, and most importantly the leadership of the church, what they preach on Sunday sermon. If they keep on insisting us to pay sin tax of giving then ultimately it works up to guilt. And with guilt, unkindness, politics and nastiness between christians. When this happens, we become fake, like MLM agents to those we are ministering to. That's why most unbelievers tell me that they find christians not genuine, only want their soul. Even new believers tend to fall out because no one bother to follow up. Its so lazy of us to just leave it to God to do his work for us.

When I mention this to my leaders, their reply is focus on God not the mistakes of mankind. They do have a point but by saying this, they just don't want to improve themselves and ignore the whole problem. That's why in ministries, politics is so prevailing.

DOn't get me wrong, I am not looking for perfection, just at least something the church leaders should galvanize us to look at, rather than telling us to serve all day long.
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We all know pretty well that we are all sinners but do not let that to be a hindrance to us when we try to make things right. Reminding us as being a sinner should not be to a point that make all of us weak. Weak to an extend that we shy away from doing what is right, don't you think so? Oh, we are sinner too so we should just back down and turn a blind eye to a rotting way? To acknowledge that we are sinner is to begin doing self reflection and correcting ourselves to follow the path that God want us to be and NOT just merely acknowledge that and not doing anything about it but keep on giving excuses that 'Oh, I am a sinner, who is not? what ever I do wrong is already acknowledge' kind of attitude.

Before anyone start to preach about thou shall not judge, please do take a moment to think. Assuming you saw a child who is about to pick up wrong/bad habit. What would you do? Tell the child that is wrong and incorrect? Do that and you are judging him ain't you? Let it be because you refuse to judge and it will become a norm (like whats going on now in churches). On a more realistic and real world level, maybe we should just stop doing anything or even stop praying for our country to rid of corrupted government. Ain't those judging too?

And please, I am not saying Luke is wrong to say that, he got everything right in his own way. Just do not abused what he said.

Lets say, you sees something that is not right in the house of God and it is affecting Christian and being label as 'Christians believers are so fake', so you do what you can to try to change this perception by bringing this up to the churches/pastor and you are being label for breaking one of so called 'christian rule of not judging others'. In the end of the day you come face to face with God during judgment day. Tell me, do you think God is going to punish you for judging in this case? Yes? No? We have to apply our rationality in the believe in God and not being afraid of another Christian accusing you of judging other with the wrong reason.

Yes, we are NOT looking for perfection in Christian believer. So please, please stop assume that we are. As in my post #290 page 15,

QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 23 2016, 04:27 PM)
Example, A study engineering and B no between he didn't attend classes. So, shouldn't we expect A to understand basic engineering subject better than B? Thats my logic.

A goes to churches without fail while B no. Shouldn't we expect A to have at least know some basic knowledge of how to carry oneself or 'the way of life' to be a Christian. I am not talking about able to recite the whole book of Matthew or John for that matter.
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We are only expecting them to be at least 1 step above us in their moral, behavior and conduct because being a frequent church goer or a leader in church, its their utmost responsibility to bearing witness to the rest out there. Ignore those and it will give Christianity a bad name which is sadly happening.
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I SEE ANIME DISCUSSION

This season you must watch Boku dake ga Inai Machi a.k.a Erased a.k.a Bokumachi.

Best Mystery anime this season. Every episode will leave you wanting to see the next ep. It'll be 12 episodes too. Very short.
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Ah, serious? I go check and it better be good. . . . tongue.gif
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 26 2016, 12:40 PM)
Maybe you can follow Dragon ball series? latest series ongoing Dragon Ball Super on my watch list too
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Dragon ball and the like kind of drama is not my cup of tea, though. Don't know how to appreciate it.
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