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 LYN Christian Fellowship V11 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.

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tinarhian
post Feb 26 2016, 11:20 PM

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/24...pe-allegations/

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post Feb 26 2016, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 26 2016, 11:20 PM)
In the years to come, Europe is going to regret for having admitting those refugees.

When they are the minority, they demanded minority rights. . .
When they are the majority, minority have no rights. . .
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post Feb 27 2016, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Feb 25 2016, 09:52 PM)
So unknown warrior, what do you think of this?

Woman, 23, Begs To Die After Insect Bite Leaves Her Bed-Ridden For 11 Years

IF she's a Christian, what would you think she should do? What should her family do?

#NOTJUDGING
#UWNOTOLD
#WWESUCK
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I really don't know, reality has it, she'll probably be so totally devastated, she won't know what to do anymore.

People like her need extreme care from someone other than herself, like close relative or friends, especially Christians who knows her ......to pray that her spirit would take courage to come to God personally in solace seeking wisdom and peace and perhaps the Faith to believe that God can heal, if that is God's will for her to believe in this crucial moment.

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post Feb 27 2016, 10:03 AM

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If DUMC is so bad, why not you attend another church instead of bragging about them not being rights? Or, may be you could talk to pastor Daniel Ho?
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post Feb 27 2016, 10:21 AM

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I guess you need to understand the reasons for cell group and its effectiveness.
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post Feb 27 2016, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 27 2016, 09:51 AM)
DUMC never say anything about serving each other. To them serving, is giving your time to the church !

Serving is humility is about receiving God's grace and kindness and then giving to everyone, your family, your friends, your colleagues NOT just your church NOT just your community.

The trouble with DUMC is, they make going to church feel like going to work ! They never teach the congregation to be kind and serve one another. For this very reason, there is prevailing selfishness and politics in the church. People there don't care about each other. People have weddings, they invite their own cg members, no one turn up ! Is this called fellowship and serving? When you forget your own brothers and sisters, how are you to remember the needy people out there? How is DUMC going to be a community church to the helpless people when we can't even be a community to each other? This has been negligently overlooked by the church because they are so in desperation need for church workers, that they forgot to train us up in the grounding of the word, in our growth, in our kindness to each other.
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For once if you are not satisfied with DUMC don't rant about it here, go complaint about it officially to methodist hq or talk to the senior pastor directly or bishop rev. hwa yung himself. Intead of ranting why don't you pause and think why am i'm not satisfied with this church? and as Shioks recommended try another church
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post Feb 27 2016, 12:47 PM

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I suggest you start readng Pst rick Warren book title what on earth am i here for
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post Feb 27 2016, 01:01 PM

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Always remember to pray for a church that you fit not a church that fit you.

To serve and not to be serve.

Ask the question of why serve.


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post Feb 27 2016, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Feb 27 2016, 10:03 AM)
If DUMC is so bad, why not you attend another church instead of bragging about them not being rights?  Or, may be you could talk to pastor Daniel Ho?
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She/he doesn't sound like 'bragging' to me. She/he sound more like crying out for help.
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post Feb 27 2016, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Feb 27 2016, 12:46 PM)
For once if you are not satisfied with DUMC don't rant about it here, go complaint about it officially to methodist hq or talk to the senior pastor directly or bishop rev. hwa yung himself. Intead of ranting why don't you pause and think why am i'm not satisfied with this church? and as Shioks recommended try another church
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 27 2016, 10:05 AM)
That's why when I know I am a sinner, I do not expect perfection from my fellow brother and sister. But I do expect the leadership to do something about that. Yeah I have been speaking up, but I been sidelined like the way DUMNO is sidelining Hyddin.

I been questioning the system of multiplication at church. They just see 10 people, when only 5 turn up every cg, they go and multiply the cell. I dunno whats the logic. They do it so extreme, that they now call cell groups - small groups. This destroys the whole fellowship ! I used to attend a cg with attendance of 4 people. Thats why I feel so lost at a church of 3000. I go to sunday sermon, I don't know anybody.

I brought up the issue, but only to be boikot. If got birthday wishes, my birthday was missed out in the watsapp group. Then my water baptism, nobody at my cg turn up !

I tried to get involve in ministry, only to be disillusioned. I did so many projects at church, gave so much time but only to be disrespected and treated like nobody. Then it dawn on me, church was saying that they wanted people to be more comfortable to share and connected to the cell group. That's why they multiply until the cg is so small. And it was also the excuse that they wanted to groom new leaders. THey wanted more cell group leaders.

It was all a scheme all along ! They want to force us all to get involve in church ministries, that's why they made the cell group into small commando groups and bring up so many cg leaders - even though half of them don't qualify.
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He/she already pointed out why he/she not satisfied with the church.
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post Feb 27 2016, 01:58 PM

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Not happy then mah go lor.

Any church that grow big tends to have issues.

One will feel lost also if you are not a cell group member.


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post Feb 27 2016, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Feb 27 2016, 01:58 PM)
Not happy then mah go lor.

Any church that grow big tends to have issues. 

One will feel lost also if you are not a cell group member.
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my church is also big but not as big as DUMC and i am not even a cell group members but i do enjoy the fellowship with the church members whom few are my friend, my pastor even called me up when i have not been to the church for 1 month. so not every church is suited for everyone, not satisfied with the church move on why stay back? doh.gif
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post Feb 27 2016, 02:07 PM

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Depending on individual lar.

The church I'm attending is huge (probably a lot bigger than DUMC). I'm also not a cell group member. And, I'm still fine.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 27 2016, 10:05 AM)
That's why when I know I am a sinner, I do not expect perfection from my fellow brother and sister. But I do expect the leadership to do something about that. Yeah I have been speaking up, but I been sidelined like the way DUMNO is sidelining Hyddin.

I been questioning the system of multiplication at church. They just see 10 people, when only 5 turn up every cg, they go and multiply the cell. I dunno whats the logic. They do it so extreme, that they now call cell groups - small groups. This destroys the whole fellowship ! I used to attend a cg with attendance of 4 people. Thats why I feel so lost at a church of 3000. I go to sunday sermon, I don't know anybody.

I brought up the issue, but only to be boikot. If got birthday wishes, my birthday was missed out in the watsapp group. Then my water baptism, nobody at my cg turn up !

I tried to get involve in ministry, only to be disillusioned. I did so many projects at church, gave so much time but only to be disrespected and treated like nobody. Then it dawn on me, church was saying that they wanted people to be more comfortable to share and connected to the cell group. That's why they multiply until the cg is so small. And it was also the excuse that they wanted to groom new leaders. THey wanted more cell group leaders.

It was all a scheme all along ! They want to force us all to get involve in church ministries, that's why they made the cell group into small commando groups and bring up so many cg leaders - even though half of them don't qualify.
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Sorry but i don't understand what you meant by that (highlighted). Are you saying only 5 turn up but they counted 10?

My take is, you have done what you can and God bless you for trying to make things right.

Try a different church then. I did, try until I finally give up. (I am not asking you to give up laugh.gif ). Maybe I don't need one, maybe God will lead me to one someday. Who knows. But don't let this to discourage you (like my son sad.gif ). And for the last time, yes we are all sinners but acknowledging it and do self correction from those things that make us a sinner and NOT like some wise guy, acknowledging and then leave it at that and keep repeating the same thing over and over again. doh.gif

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post Feb 27 2016, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 27 2016, 04:35 PM)
You say lah, but after 10 years you will be burn out I assure you. You wait and see la. If you dun do anything about ur life n overserve, u will be single for quite long.

Move to where? No where to move. I don't want to be accuse of being a church hopper.
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I've been in the church for 30 years you think I don't know how my church progress? Nobody will accuse you as a church hopper, if you are not willing to accept the challenge then keep on ranting, I've many friends from my church who have moved to another church or another old friend whom from AOG church to Methodist to CHC where he call his home.

You say every churhc out there is same like DUMC but do you have the proof? you are blinded by your own grudge and not dare to take up the challenge to find a new pasture
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Feb 26 2016, 11:50 PM)
In the years to come, Europe is going to regret for having admitting those refugees.

When they are the minority, they demanded minority rights. . .
When they are the majority, minority have no rights. . .
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Well in the first place I didn't agree with illegal immigrants influx into Europe. Just like how Malaysia deal with illegal immigrants in Borneo.

Never ending battle...

http://www.politico.eu/article/solve-migra...urope-schengen/

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 27 2016, 12:13 AM)
I really don't know, reality has it, she'll probably be so totally devastated, she won't know what to do anymore.

People like her need extreme care from someone other than herself, like close relative or friends, especially Christians who knows her ......to pray that her spirit would take courage to come to God personally in solace seeking wisdom and peace and perhaps the Faith to believe that God can heal, if that is God's will for her to believe in this crucial moment.
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If the person is an unbeliever, then the outcome is very clear. They don't get saved.

But if the person is a believer and they want to commit suicide, The Bible forbid that right?

Even The Bible forbid assisted suicide. Then its hard for a person to live in such a condition. Such a tragic situation.

How does one (a Christian) deal with that?
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post Feb 27 2016, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Feb 27 2016, 04:27 PM)
I am contemplating another church but not sure yet because I have my own private reasons.

Aiyoh, I am saying the cg register got 10 people, but only 5 are active, and then like this also DUMC want to multiply. Then end up the cg got 2 then the other got 3.

That;s what the church is doing, they are telling us to focus on God, when we say someone is not doing things right. For eg, an up and coming assistant cg leader girl, was childlish and not ready to take over the cg. But due to politics and desperation for multiplication, the church decided to promote her based on her popularity. Duh. She bullied the host, when the host tried to organize activities for the members. The host is a mid 30s auntie - not marry. But the assistant leader is 25 yr old with a insecure boyfriend. Any guy who got too close to her and befriended her, the bf got a gang at the cg, will play some wierd boikot games one. Because this host auntie was playing trying to organize separate activities, she apparently like some single guys at the cg. Not being be defeated, the assistant leader also organize same activities that clash with the host. End up, the host lost, the single guys all went to the side of the assistant leader. The host got so pissed and incensed that she abandoned the cg, tell the cg to packup within one week. End up cg had to meet up at kopitiam.

Then another 6 members of the cg left because of frustration. The cg only got 9 active members remaining, and 9 more inactive members. Guess what? Church decided to multiply ! Ridiculous.

When ask church to defer because assistant leader not ready, they say - look to God, we are imperfect sinners. What the heck???
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You said you can't go to other church because of GF issues right? laugh.gif

FYI, all other churches have their own set of issues, problems, etc..We as Christians try to "tolerate" with one another.

Hopefully you find peace. Have a blessed weekend.
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post Feb 27 2016, 05:45 PM

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Hail Caesar is a nice movie. Anybody watch yet?
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the way i see it, people issues instead of God issue.

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[quote=tinarhian,Feb 27 2016, 05:28 PM]
Well in the first place I didn't agree with illegal immigrants influx into Europe. Just like how Malaysia deal with illegal immigrants in Borneo.

Never ending battle...

http://www.politico.eu/article/solve-migra...urope-schengen/

I am referring to decision of EU taking in/allowing those refugees to reside in EU. Obviously, there are illegal but that's beside the point.


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