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friedmihun
post Jan 30 2016, 07:49 AM

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friedmihun
post Sep 9 2016, 10:51 PM

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Hi sorry. Out of topic but I don't really know where else to ask.

Does anyone here have any experience in removing Chinese taoist idols from house? I want to know what's the proper Christian way to do it.

The idols are my dad's. He's the only non believer in our family. We are moving to a new house so according to my mom she said a pastor can remove it by burning or breaking it? Is that true?
But according to my Chinese friends they say if by cultural believes, we have to give it back to a temple?

Need some advice on this. Thanks in advance ya
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post Sep 10 2016, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 9 2016, 11:49 PM)
Your dad is okay with breaking it?
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Erm.. I don't really think so.. but my mom is very keen to do it behind his back. What should I do ?
In actual fact can pastors break it?
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post Sep 10 2016, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 10 2016, 08:54 AM)
Yes Pastors can do that but unless your dad consent to it, it's also wise not to cause disharmony in the family.

Most of the time, unbelievers are not willing on both situations, but if your dad is rather willing that the taoist idols returned to the temple, that is also another step of victory and it's okay IMO.

Ultimately you still need to pray and lead your dad to Christ. At this present moment, your Father will not understand why those Idols need to be broken and if this aggravate him long term, it will be challenging to share the gospel to Him.

My advise is, you & your mom seek Father God's direct intervention (in prayer) to change your dad's heart to soften. Also pray for divine protection asking God to put his hedge of protection and guardian angels around you and your household.

Pray for Wisdom above all. Pray for anointing, Ask Father God to Rise Up and go ahead of you to dismantle the powers and schemes of the evil one, ask him to send his angels to set your Dad Free from this bondage.

You need to consistently pray doing this everyday until it's done. Without Prayer, the enemy can cause havoc in the situation.

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And if you believe in Praying in Tongues, Pray in tongues 24/7, as much as you can. It is sword of the spirit offensive, cutting away the devil's works and schemes in divine dimension where it is beyond our boundary.
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Thanks so much. I know what to do now. I'll go have a talk with my mom later. Yes will continue to pray. At least he is willing for it to be returned to the temple. That's a huge step for a devout taoist.
Thanks again unknown warrior. God bless
friedmihun
post Sep 11 2016, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 11 2016, 01:04 AM)
In the end the dad decided to move the idols to a temple. So I think problem solved in the most peaceful manner already.
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Hi Sophie. Actually he decided to do it next week. But my mother is not keen as she say the proper way is to get the pastor to break it. But somehow as a Christian I'm siding with my dad on this. I'm afraid that the act of telling him that we must break this or do this n that the proper Christian way will somehow give him a bad impression of how certain Christians are quite rigid in handling things. So he might be afraid of Christianity itself and this might push him away.

I haven't had a chance to talk to my mum yet but I'll do it tomorrow if I can. Thanks blindspot61 for your input too. Sorry I don't know how to tag someone in a post
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post Sep 12 2016, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Sep 11 2016, 12:20 PM)
No problem (about tagging me). To tagged someone, do this
'['@Sophie']'. Ignore the ' .

Your mum should be grateful that your dad gave in to this, so I really hope she don't 'push' it. The important thing here is to remove the idol from the house and not what to do with the idol. I bet if your dad know your mum's intention, he might just reverse his decision.

I feel its important for a christian to be flexible and show our compassion side. The rigidness reminded me of my grandpa's passing couple of years ago. My half brother and his wife just refuse to pay his respect to my grandpa which really makes me sad. They seems to mixed up the different between paying respect and praying. I was offered (by relative) the incenses to 'pray' to my grandpa and i took it but to me i am only paying my respect to him, not praying to him.
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haha yeay i can now tag u Blindspot61 haha biggrin.gif
yes.. to me being flexible is very important. Important as in not to scare the non believers away. I already had a talk with my mum this morning. Seems that she has toned down a bit and i think she is willing to get rid of it via my dad's way. Anyhow as unknown warrior said, getting rid of it is already a gain for us, and for that i am very thankful to our Lord.

Regarding paying respects to the deceased of our chinese culture, i was always told that we as Christians cannot hold the joss stick/bow down to ancestors/pay respects as it is a symbol of kowtowing to the other beliefs. Am i wrong? Please educate me on this as well as I face this difficulty every Chinese New Year sad.gif
Is it OK to just hold the joss sticks and bow down as a sign of respect or we should not do it? Some Christians see this as praying to the deceased/idols
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post Sep 12 2016, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 12 2016, 06:43 AM)
Blindspot is betul. Do it in a way where your dad is comfortable with. Don't force. You want to show your Dad love, which also means being considerate of his feelings. Please coax your mom to not be too harsh to him. Otherwise, it'll become a thorn in his heart and will make things very difficult for your family.
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yes Sopiera i won't force my dad. He is still a non believer but at least he is willing to get rid of it. Baby steps is the key i guess, hehe. Will continue to pray for him to accept Jesus someday smile.gif
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post Sep 12 2016, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Sep 12 2016, 04:00 PM)
I forgot to mentioned that when tagging, obviously you got to get the name right, else it may go to the wrong person or none at all.
Now, regarding paying respect to the deceased pertaining to our chinese culture, I am sure most if not all staunch/pious christian will not agree with my opinion but its ok.

Let me explain here. Firstly, I DON't do that (paying respect) to idol, whether in the temple or in house of my relative where they worship idol. Secondly, I DON'T do that to deceased of friends. I ONLY do that to close/immediate relatives who is not a christian, in this case, Grandpa 'out of special respect' - if that's how I put it.

And while doing that, my intention is very clear - that I am not worshiping him but am paying my respect - that's why my opinion is, it is not wrong.

I feel the most important thing is, your intention and mind interpretation must be very clear in what you are doing while performing such act and I am sure God knows and understand.

Many a time, due to our rigidity, we are being brand snobbish, arrogant or think we christian are high and mighty, usually and most of the time, starts from our relatives, then close friends and friends who are practicing our previous faith or being born in one. That's one of the reason we christian got a very bad name. This will usually give them more reason to steer clear from Christianity. I always come across (mostly Chinese Buddhist and Taoist believers) have nothing good to say on those chinese who converted to christian and usually this is one of the main reason.

Flexibility don't kill your faith. There are many ways one can pay respect and some may view it as worshiping but my intention and mind is clear.

Lastly, if by doing that for my grandpa during his wake, it will be very 'comforting' for his family and also at time like this that 'black stain' can easily result from your action.
Do what you think is right and God will understand your intention is good and does not shaken your faith in Him.
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I had the exact same thinking last time however I gave into mum's ways as I was criticised as being wrong and not adhering to the proper Christian ways of life. Thanks for your advice smile.gif I truly agree flexibility doesn't kill one's faith and I should tell my mum that.

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