LYN Christian Fellowship V11 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.
LYN Christian Fellowship V11 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.
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Feb 2 2016, 09:54 AM
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Hi guys, just wondering, most of you from KL, or other places?
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Feb 5 2016, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 5 2016, 01:02 PM) The problem with kron, is that basically He refuse to forgive. I plus one on this.That is what causes the cycle of bitterness to repeat for so many years. That is why our Lord insist that we MUST forgive as christians because it can cripple our spirit. One of my revelation from God from recent devotion was the Lord's prayer: To ask Lord to forgive us as we have forgiven others; If we do not forgive others, the Lord will not forgive us too. (Matthew 6: 14-15) For me, it is something that needs to be learned and practiced over long period and reminding self constantly. |
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Feb 12 2016, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 12 2016, 10:54 AM) Actually the word of God that inspired Paul to penned down the word Blessing in the context of serving or giving, it is not the blessing of self satisfaction or happiness. No where does the Bible says that. I am zealous for the truth of God's word. If there is something that will help you and set you free, I will painstakingly explain with endeavour so that you can also taste the goodness of God and believe and receive the blessings yourself. Hi sorry to interrupt. DUMC is right when they say you'll be blessed by serving. That is according to Hebrews 6:10. And as a church we should serve one another. This is according to Romans 12:6-8 with whatever gifting that God has imparted to you. Every Child of God has a gift. Romans 12:6-8 (NIV) . 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then each; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. If you look at how God has bless his people in reality and in the past and even in the recorded passages of the Bible, you'll understand that we have a Big Hearted God who does not just give for you to scrape by or to make you miserable. You have a very poor opinion of God's dealing with his people. When Jesus multiply the 5 loaves and 2 fishes, was it not enough or more than enough? If you can answer that, you will know what you think of God is not true. The following verses does not denote internal satisfaction or just happiness; they are tangible blessings. Jeremiah 29:11 (NIV) - For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Proverbs 19:17 (NIV) - Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward them for what they have done. Luke 6:38 (NIV) - Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." 2 Corinthians 9:6 (NIV) - Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Hebrews 6:10 (NIV) - God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. The problem right now is just your bitterness against DUMC. You gotta let it go and free yourself from this. if you want to move on to another Church, move on but have a right perspective of God's blessing. Don't downsize or downplay what God can or cannot do with the blessings stated clearly in the Bible. May I ask, how are you so sure that the verses you pointed out only refer to "tangible blessings" ? |
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Feb 12 2016, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 12 2016, 01:46 PM) All encompassing blessing that would include spiritual and tangible blessings. VERY Very Sure. Interesting. I never really had deep thought on "tangible blessings", which is something I will want to find out more in the future from scripture.In verse 1-5 of 2 Corinthians 9 talks about Gifts given to the apostles by the Church, that is tangible. And in this verses for example: 2 Corinthians 9:6-11 6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. 9 As it is written: “They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor; their righteousness endures forever.”a 10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. 11You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God. Verse 7 is talking about tangible giving. if it's intangible there is no stress of "compulsion". God inserted the word Bread tangible. But is there absolutely no "spiritual/intangible" blessing (ie: happiness and satisfaction) at all for serving people? |
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Apr 13 2016, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 02:19 PM) Well I wanted you to ask me the next question,, but but UW, you mean we don't have to repent? Amen. I do believe this is the truth. Repentance in the Greek = Metanoya means Change of Mind. In the New Testament, the Right Point for Repentance is found in Acts 20:21 (ESV) - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Because it brings out the best definition according to the Greek. Repentance is a process of the Believers Life but it is by no means a prerequisite to qualify for Salvation. <--this is where we have missed it. It is something we need to agree with God (that it is Wrong), not to be use as a gauge or to perform to qualify for Salvation. (Pls read this carefully and not to misunderstand) The right Way to approach God is like this. We believe and confess Jesus is the Son of God. We believe and confess Jesus as our Atonement for our Sins at the Cross. We repent Towards God meaning, understanding God is for us, He Loves us and we need not fear God as in the OT way of Fear and Trepidation. But as a Father to a Son. We agree that Sin is wrong. We need to confess during the Sinners Prayer we have 0 ability to repent in our actions and cry Help Me God. BELIEVE that the Holy Spirit in us will do that sanctifying work. That is the right way. Many Christians circle got it wrong. They always emphasize "you must repent repent repent!". As if shouting You must repent, will enable to believer with the power to repent. Repentance comes without us being conscious about it. I say this to be true "We become Holy by accident" And The Meaning of Accident in this context pertaining to Holiness is; A sudden event that is not planned or intended. ( A life of rest in Christ). * And before anyone misunderstands me, Don't ever quote me saying we can sin as we like, I never said this. This is the same accusation levelled against the Apostle Paul in Romans 6:1 It happens to me everytime when I sinned I tell myself " I must repent, otherwise my salvation will be at stake"; and it ends up becoming a "cycle" ie: Sin, remorse, repent, then sin again, remorse, repent - non stop and it's killing me. To some point, I think the problem which misconception of repentance bring to us is self-righteousness. We "think" we can be righteous by "doing" repentance. But I believe true freedom in Christ is, when we finally say to God " God help me to turn away from this sin, I CANNOT do it myself", only with this we shall then experience miracle and transformation by the work of God. This post has been edited by 3388: Apr 13 2016, 03:44 PM |
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Apr 13 2016, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 04:08 PM) Yes and rest Easy your Salvation is borned by the Blood of the Lamb and not by your Acts of Repentance. Amen bro Amen The acts of repentance is always going up and down but it is by no means qualification or disqualification to Salvation. This helps us to understand Hebrews 9:26 better. That is the Right Doctrinal Exegesis. All the glory of work goes to the Lord. |
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Apr 16 2016, 09:44 AM
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Apr 16 2016, 10:30 AM
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Hi Morning Guys,
Have been reading the exchange between UW and Tina in this thread, ad I like to share a bit of my view on this if you guys willing to hear. As a man myself, I easily fall into lust by looking at sexy and attractive woman. I myself am weak in sexual sin and currently still fighting against it, with the help of God. I have not seen tina's pic, but to me, and to most Asians (or Malaysians) I think, could easily fall into lustful thought with even a small cleavage of an attractive woman. tinarhian You have a point regarding culture. I studied in Australia before, and to no surprise western woman tend to dress more "revealingly" than Asians; To the western man, maybe they have been used to it and be "less" tempted by revealing clothes dressed by the women there. But in the Asian Culture, the standard of dressing held by western woman would still be too different compared to our culture. Romans 14: 20 - 23 (ESV) 20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. So Tina, I am not saying that you are wrong for uploading the photo (cuz I have not seen it and can't say if I will be tempted by it), nor I am saying UW is right for asking you to remove it. What I am trying to say is, just do whatever you like BUT ONLY do if you have "faith" in God in the things you do, with the ultimate reference/guidance by the Bible and the Holy Spirit. Have a blessed and loving weekend |
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Apr 16 2016, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 16 2016, 11:14 AM) Well the thing to avoid falling trap into this is Thanks.Deal at the root. 1. Ask God to remove the lust desire through the HS. It's no point to do fire fighting if this is still attached. Next is to Deal at the surface 2. I believe 99.5% of time, temptation comes from the Internet. So Avoid Clicking if you suspect it's going to lead to whatever temptation. RUN AWAY is the Key. Actually it's just avoiding it with the Run Away mindset. Yes, in fact, what you shared previously extensively on grace v works is the key. It's strange, also kind of amazing - I am not sure but it could really be the work of God: When I want to become "pure" myself, eg: counting the days I have not fallen into sin, feeling absolutely remorseful when I sinned and asked God to forgive me and give me more chances to achieve "purity "myself"; and what happened was, I fell back to sin, again, no doubt - the vicious cycle. But when I hold the mindset of "stop trying not to sin, but entirely pass the burden to God", strangely and amazingly, I lost a substantial amount of interest to sin; I start to see the ugliness of the sin, and the good things start to attract me more. And I feel there is certain kind of "self-righteousness" in me when I yearn to stop sinning but can't stop. Also, because of our "rebellious" nature, so when I hold onto Law ie: not to do this and that, I will fail; but when I admit to God that I am rebellious, and except with God's power I will continue to be like that, then there is when I see things start to change. This post has been edited by 3388: Apr 16 2016, 12:06 PM |
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Apr 16 2016, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 16 2016, 12:11 PM) Yup, all glory goes to God.UW the ministry work you doing here in this thread I must say I appreciate it lot and have learned a lot from it. Lowyat forum do need more people like you to speak the truth about God without fear. God bless |
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