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TSpehkay
post Jun 5 2015, 11:40 AM, updated 10y ago

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Welcome to V10, dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

As in the spirit of V9 before, we are practicing to fellowship with one other as blood-washed, born-again, Spirit-filled Christians because we seek to give testimony to the unity of the Body of Christ. We welcome all believers, and we seek fellowship with them as our brothers and sisters in Christ. It is our sincere and earnest desire that the Lord's testimony on this earth may be spread and greatly strengthened in order that His Bride may be prepared for His soon return. May the Lord honor and vindicate His own work on this earth in these days.

As such, may the maxim holds true, "In essential unity, in non-essential liberty, and in all things charity".

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Few simple RULES to follow in our fellowship thread.

1. No flaming/troll post please. Let's keep this fellowship thread clean, positive and encouraging, as the purpose is more for believers of Christ.
2. Do not argue about other religions please. People of other Faith are welcome to ask and enquire genuine questions or out of curiosity about Christianity.
3. What's discussed in here, stays in here.

Previous Threads
V09
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3485130
V08
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3393815
V07
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3197598
V06
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...&t=2621686&st=0
V05
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1758395

Good links to share:
http://www.opensong.org/

Opensong!!! It uses your WinXP's extended screen on the projector. So you have your controls in your laptop, and the screen on the projector. It also supports Chinese, and has songs packs and bible verses too, so you can project those verses on screen.

http://www.guitar4christ.com
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
a database of chords and lyrics for christian songs.

GodTV

http://www.god.tv/
Online Bibles!
English Bible (with multi lingual): http://www.biblegateway.com/

Indonesian/Malay Bible: http://alkitab.otak.info/

Arabic Bible: http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm
Dear Christians, please do let us know about u, like denominations, which church u r from and where is ur church located. Oh, beside that, do let us know what position are u holding in ur church, as in.. hmm pianist ? choral singer ? or even Pastor. tongue.gif

LYN Christ Followers List:
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(Please type in this template [so its easier for me to edit the list]: Username - Denomination | Church | Area Serve-in)
Either PM me or post to notify. But if after u've posted in this thread and I havent add u in the list, please PM me to notify me. Thanks. smile.gif

Christian Bookshops:
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post Jun 5 2015, 11:48 AM

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pertamax... got the first spot thumbup.gif

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post Jun 5 2015, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 01:21 PM)
hmm.gif quite odd, my church practices it or at least just the mission ministry practices this. My church quite big got 5000 members.

True, true..i pray by my own but i dunno why i like praying in a group. Is it more powerful when two or more come in Jesus name to pray? I can feel it, not to say i want to neglect personal prayer but I also want to pray in a group. I don't get this opportunity all the time as my cg doesn't meet every week and its not so easy to reveal your own personal stuff for people who know you to pray.

Therefore at times I call up prayer tower. However, there's this lady in the weekends when she hear my name, she will say "oh you again, with your same problem, what do you want me to pray?". Then she will try to pray at fast as possible and she misses many of my prayer points. She even say that my prayer request are not important, that there r more important people than me, for example, suicide people, people with marriage problems or people who are in hospital - terminally ill. Before i can even say goodbye after she pray for me, she slam the phone on me. But the rest of the intercessors are really great and encouraging, they really do a great work to encourage the people out there. I prefer to call during weekdays, the assortment of intercessors, they have different styles and they are really encouraging.

Its just that recently their leader came up with the new policy of advising their intercessors not to counsel. In essence, they lost what makes them set apart from Befrienders. Of course, i don't expect them to counsel, just at least show us their humanity side. They can comment a thing or two but it doesn't have to be a full counselling.
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Well, If led by the HS for an occasion, maybe but if you say it's a standard practise every time to plant scripture into the ground to make it more effective, I don't see how that is biblical. The word of God never says anything on that.

And about Prayer tower, got to let go and not take it personal.
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post Jun 5 2015, 01:59 PM

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post Jun 5 2015, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 03:59 PM)
Sometime they practice it when they do prayer walk around an area...they also plant scriptures, it appear to be std practice as its part of the practice in my church's mission manual.
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Planting scriptures are spiritual heritage, similar to peter's handkerchief in Acts 19:12.

These spiritual heritage received from other senior leaders, or from HS directly. Similar to concept of anointing, from top to bottom. Top to bottom does not always represent hierarchy, but represent networking. from people to people.

these spiritual heritage to works, you need to believe 3 things:
1. GOD gaves instruction to leader to plant scriptures. Therefore the effects / benefits, usually works on jurisdiction / spiritual authority of the leader. Meaning, only in his church or his denomination or his group only.
2. Leader happily, proudly received the instruction and share with congregation.
3. congregation happily, proudly acknowledge that planting scripture is part of the calling for they church.

So, if you go to my church and tell everybody in my church to plant scriptures as part of evangelism, you missing the first 2 points. I hope you get better picture here biggrin.gif

But if you, independently, open your church or cell group, then you can tell your member to believe in scripture planting, because you are no 1, 2 and 3 in yourself. Your member should be no 3.

my case --
i have a lot of spiritual heritage that i received from many church denomination. e.g. planting scriptures, prosperity gospel, jobel declaration, bread / wine, etc..etc..
Now because i married, i gave all my spiritual heritage to my family. I tell my family please respect local church regulation because some of the spiritual heritage are not complying with local church regulation.

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post Jun 5 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 01:21 PM)
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"oh you again, with your same problem, what do you want me to pray?".
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 03:59 PM)
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i find difficulty because i encounter the same person who wants to speed track my prayer request, ending up only 2 out of 5 of myprayer request being prayed.
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The lady is not helping you because she generates negative energy, and you ended up bitter. Bitterness always multiplies negative energy. This time, bitterness comes from your "source of hope" which is prayer tower.

take a look at these verses about negative people:
http://www.openbible.info/topics/negative_people


About prayer mindset biggrin.gif

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

I have assumptions: you are focus on the lacking instead of believe you already received the answers. Question: Am I correct ? brows.gif

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post Jun 5 2015, 07:33 PM

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post Jun 5 2015, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 01:28 PM)
Wah 1974, i haven't even born yet too. Anyways back in the late 1980s and early 1990s dungeons and dragons were very popular, me and my mates used to play it. Its basically a manual that have all the rules about the dragons, beast, monsters, warriors, dwarfs, magicians, etc etc. You get to choose who you want to be, then there's like hit points..shield...rolling of dice. Then there's the dungeon master, who designs the layout of the quest. He draw the map and put the monsters and traps at places for us players to play.

Yeah, i mean its basically, very raw...back in those days when we kids play games, we had to do a lot of things by ourselves. Today, they do everything for you, you got graphics nintendo and can play online with strangers on other side of the world...like world of warcraft.

Well can't really say women are lazy. My mom had a tough job raising me. She was working and raise me at same time. Back in the day of our parents, cost of living was low, only the father can be the breadwinner and the mother can stay at home and tend to the kids. Today, moms want more freedom in life and can choose the option of being a mother and career. Because of lack of time and demands of career, the mom have to hire maids.
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LOL. Sound geeky. tongue.gif

Those days the computers are huge! shocking.gif

Well not all women are lazy. tongue.gif

Well, I managed my time quite well, ie, doing my work, cooking, exercising, etc...

All about time management and discipline.
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Yah number 10!

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Going to watch Insidious Chapter 3. cool2.gif
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post Jun 6 2015, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 6 2015, 03:41 PM)
Hey wait a sec? Prosperity gospel? Are you from New Creation Church? They the only one that teaches that.
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no i am not, but if i am in singapore, i will attend smile.gif

btw: my resources about prosperity gospel is below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith

some churches in malaysia agree with what it teaches in essence.

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post Jun 7 2015, 01:38 PM

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Christ did not come only for redemption

Christ did not come only for redemption. In the Gospel of John 10:10, the Lord Himself says: "I have come that they may have life and may have it abundantly." This was the further purpose of Christ's coming.

The first chapter tells us that in the beginning Christ was the very God, but He became flesh to be the Lamb of God to redeem us. However, redemption is not the goal. It is only a procedure for the goal.

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The goal is that we may have life. For this purpose, Christ took two steps. The first step was to become flesh so that He might be the Lamb of God for redemption, but since He could not be life to us simply as the Lamb of God in the flesh, there was the need of another step. After accomplishing redemption, He took the further step to become the Spirit who gives life (1 Cor. 15:45b; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17).


How could Christ give us life and be life to us? It is by means of another step. After being crucified, He was laid in a tomb, and then He resurrected from the dead. In this resurrection He became something else. In His incarnation as God, He became flesh, but now in His resurrection as a man, He became the life-giving Spirit.

First Corinthians 15:45b says, "The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit." We should not only underline this passage but also highlight it and circle it.

This verse is vital, living, and basic. It is of great importance, but it has been missed by most Christians today. The last Adam, who is Christ in the flesh as a man, became a life-giving Spirit. This is the Spirit who gives life. Thus, we have the two steps which Christ took, incarnation and resurrection.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 6 2015, 03:39 PM)
Talk about time mgmt., time really flies. I am really frustrated at my working place. My company is retrenching and moving out all the lower paying staff while the highly paid managers are still retained, well paid with not much work to do. Whereas mid level dudes like me, have to take up the place of those people whom they laid off. I am so busy. Sometimes I just don't give a darn...I just go back home at 8pm. My bosses think I am spiderman or something, they say the hope of the company is in your hands..you must stay back and get all the answers to save everybody's job. But what about me? Last year I work 24/7 for the company, they overlook me for promotion and I lost my ex gf because of me spending too much time at work. Now I just put a borderline, I go back home, I spend time with my friends and my walk with God. If my company want to lay me off, God will provide.
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Is that like a Chinaman company of something? They make you work long hours and do other people's work / job?

I thank God that He constantly provide and I don't have to endure traffic jams. sweat.gif

Working at home sure is fun but usually I worked 10++ hours per day, depending on the projects.

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 6 2015, 03:42 PM)
I only watch horror movies when I am depressed. So it can scare me to forget the cause of my depression.
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Gosh, my popcorn flew everywhere while watching Insidious. blush.gif

vmad.gif Scared the hell out of me!!!
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post Jun 7 2015, 09:42 PM

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Just did this after listening to John 15 sermon. Hope it helps some of you =)


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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 7 2015, 09:42 PM)
Just did this after listening to John 15 sermon. Hope it helps some of you =)
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long time no see ? how is the conference ?
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post Jun 8 2015, 08:10 AM

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Blind Faith ?

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/bli.../#post-68080514
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post Jun 8 2015, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jun 7 2015, 09:49 PM)
long time no see ? how is the conference ?
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conference online...not bad....expository preaching....

bought 33-volume Macarthur New Testaments Commentary
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 8 2015, 10:00 AM)
conference online...not bad....expository preaching....

bought 33-volume Macarthur New Testaments Commentary
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online ? using webex ? or just watch youtube ?
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 8 2015, 10:00 AM)
conference online...not bad....expository preaching....

bought 33-volume Macarthur New Testaments Commentary
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Where did you buy it? I was thinking of buying it via Amazon.

Wow this dude sure does not mince his words at all...Even disagree with Roman Catholic teaching and criticized prosperity gospel.
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post Jun 9 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 8 2015, 11:50 PM)
Where did you buy it? I was thinking of buying it via Amazon.

Wow this dude sure does not mince his words at all...Even disagree with Roman Catholic teaching and criticized prosperity gospel.
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can buy it straight from gty.org

all cost $363 + a whopping shipping fee of $303 to your doorstep in Malaysia.

The result is two big boxes arrived, with fedex calling me to clear kastam issue =)
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THE LORD'S GOING FOR HIS COMING BACK TO THE DISCIPLES AS THE SPIRIT

Chapter 14 is the turning point of the Gospel of John. At the beginning of this chapter the Lord surprised the disciples by telling them that He was about to leave them. The disciples were greatly disappointed at the thought of losing the Lord. Then the Lord told them the truth, the fact, that His going would be not a loss to them but a gain. His going was not His leaving but His coming back; His going was His coming.

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Verses 16 through 20 say, “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever, even the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him; but you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you. Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live, you also shall live. In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.”


In verse 17 the Lord Jesus said that the Spirit of reality would be with the disciples, and then in verse 18 he said, “I am coming to you.” While He was speaking, He was already coming. His going was His coming. The day of His coming would be the day of resurrection (v. 20). It is as if the Lord were saying, “There is no need for you to worry. You should be happy. I am leaving, but I am coming. Moreover, My coming is to come into you. Now I am in the flesh; for that reason, I can only be among you. As long as I am in the flesh, I can never be in you. Therefore, I need to be transfigured from the flesh into the Spirit. I need to have a change in form. Through death and resurrection I will be transfigured, changed in form from the flesh into the Spirit.” It was in this way, by death and resurrection, that Christ became the life-giving Spirit.

After Christ was resurrected from the dead, and on the day of resurrection He came back to the disciples in a very mysterious way. On that evening the doors were shut in the house where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, but suddenly Christ was among them. Even though no one opened the door, He came into the room and told His disciples to touch His resurrected body. He came back in this mysterious way in order to do one thing, that is, to breathe Himself into the disciples.

He breathed into the disciples and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” Spirit in Greek is pneuma, which also means “breath.” At that time He was the Holy Breath for His disciples to breathe. It was in this way that Christ came into the disciples. In the Gospel of John there is no record of Christ’s ascension to the heavens. From that time on He was continually in the disciples as the Spirit, the Holy Breath.
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