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post Jun 17 2018, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 16 2018, 09:29 AM)
Spent the last several days , testing my C8 . This bad boy is kicking some serious asses .
I must say I particularly love the new BFI on C8 ,  I can sit closer to the TV without getting dazzled by all the hardcore action scenes now .
Also for gamers , the new dynamic tone mapping makes a Day and night difference for gaming  . Wouldn't recommend it for movies though  , especially those mastered in Dolby vision are already very bright .
Last year they patched the OLED with a nerf on the brightness and APL , causing the a lot of games , such as Horizon Zero to look way too dark. You can offset this by turning on dynamic  contrast, however this cause a lot of details to be lost behind the brighter area.  The dynamic tone mapping is different , they analyze metadata and selectively brighten zone or object carefully with the new a9 CPU , the result is HDR highlight and zones that look a lot more iluminating than any OLED TV, yet retaining most of the fine and delicate details on screen .
I know a lot of reviewers say it isn't worth the upgrade from last year , but that is because they are not primarily gamers . For me , this feature alone is good enough of a reason to upgrade from last year's model.
My verdict : if you are a gamer , the C8 along with other 8 series  ( except B8  ) are probably the most amazing TV money can buy now  . The AF8 seem to still struggle with input lag , and Sony's OLED approach to the HDR just doesn't seem right to me , they choose to go for the brighter route and overblown the HDR details ,  one of purposes of getting a good HDR display was to check out all the glorious details behind the bright and colorful lights to begin with .
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post Jun 17 2018, 02:13 PM

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I have been checking C8 55 inch price during this Raya holidays. Best price is MYR 8900 Best Denki 1U.

Will there be a promotion with sound bar or something in June or July?

Meaning, should I wait for a better deal in the coming months (before Sep with 0% GST) or Raya period (last day today) is the best deal to buy?

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post Jun 17 2018, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(shankar @ Jun 17 2018, 02:13 PM)
I have been checking C8 55 inch price during this Raya holidays. Best price is MYR 8900 Best Denki 1U.

Will there be a promotion with sound bar or something in June or July?

Meaning, should I wait for a better deal in the coming months (before Sep with 0% GST) or Raya period (last day today) is the best deal to buy?
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No one knows.. just have to wait
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post Jun 17 2018, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(shankar @ Jun 17 2018, 02:13 PM)
I have been checking C8 55 inch price during this Raya holidays. Best price is MYR 8900 Best Denki 1U.

Will there be a promotion with sound bar or something in June or July?

Meaning, should I wait for a better deal in the coming months (before Sep with 0% GST) or Raya period (last day today) is the best deal to buy?
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TV get cheaper with time , especially when they renew the model every year.


C8 is still relatively new in Malaysia , I was checking my unit's production date it was just manufactured in May 2018 from Indonesia.
So I don't expect the model getting much cheaper anytime soon .


If you don't play much games , C7 / C6 are much cheaper and still a great choice to go . I remember Desa Home was selling 65 inches C6 for RM9000

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post Jun 17 2018, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 17 2018, 06:44 PM)
TV get cheaper with time , especially when they renew the model every year.
C8 is still relatively new in Malaysia , I was checking my unit's production date it was just manufactured in May 2018 from Indonesia.
So I don't expect the model getting much cheaper anytime soon .
If you don't play much games , C7 / C6  are much cheaper and still a great choice to go . I remember Desa Home was selling 65 inches C6 for RM9000
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Thanks for the feedback.

I have PS4 PRO and play few hours every week (2 to 3 hours each on weekends).I have a little one who watches lot of YouTube and cartoon channels.

I have Samsung 4K UHT 55 inch from 2015 and was planning to upgrade to 65 inch. But decided on 55 inch as price of OLED for 65 inch is above my budget.

Burn In and brightness issue (TV will be in a marginally sunlit area) is some issues I have been reading on OLED. C8 has the pixel reviewer but I am still concerned on burn in, if left unattended and need to be handled well. QLED from Samsung is other option which don't have those issues but OLED is better in picture without a doubt.

I didn't buy anything this holidays and will buy one before STT kicks in.

How is the brightness on C8 in well lit location, considering you have one?
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post Jun 17 2018, 08:49 PM

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It's kind of difficult to shop around for good promotion in smart TV.

In Klang Valley, which shop and branch consistently provides good deals for LG high end TVs?
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post Jun 17 2018, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(shankar @ Jun 17 2018, 08:37 PM)
Thanks for the feedback.

I have PS4 PRO and play few hours every week (2 to 3 hours each on weekends).I have a little one who watches lot of YouTube and cartoon channels.

I have Samsung 4K UHT 55 inch from 2015 and was planning to upgrade to 65 inch. But decided on 55 inch as price of OLED for 65 inch is above my budget.

Burn In and brightness issue (TV will be in a marginally sunlit area) is some issues I have been reading on OLED. C8 has the pixel reviewer but I am still concerned on burn in, if left unattended and need to be handled well. QLED from Samsung is other option which don't have those issues but OLED is better in picture without a doubt.

I didn't buy anything this holidays and will buy one before STT kicks in.

How is the brightness on C8 in well lit location, considering you have one?
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OLED TV has self emitting LED , the contrast is so deep it is virtually infinite . So you generally don't have to worry about glare , even in lit room OLED TV will still look great . All Oled TV also come with a glossy finish that is effective at overcoming glare and reflection . The sunlight will cause the strongest kind of glare , no doubt . Even for the brightest LED TV like Q9FN , the picture will degrade under such condition , but rest assured you will still be getting the best picture compare to other models .


As for the burn in issues , it is mostly cause by the uneven aging of the OLED organic pixels. Burn in issues on OLED are rare and extreme cases ,as long as you maintain a healthy viewing habits . But these occurrence are overblown because people only complain when they encounter problems

Should you vary the content you watch / games you play, the risk should be kept to a minimal.


Pixel refresher system exist in all the OLED TV , including Sony's but they are called different name . They are meant to help clearing the image retention , which is a completely different issue. Currently there's no direct solution to burn in


Desa home was selling several OLED last time I checked , the 65 inches E7 is priced at 10999 and 65 inches C6 at 8999 . Aside from the addition of a few new features , the picture quality will remain largely the same on these panels for general uses


C8 (and the other 8 series ) remains the brightest OLED , but the improvement is marginal . I can only tell the difference if I put them beside B7 in a dark room . Still, all OLED are more than bright enough to match the highest HDR standard thanks to the perfect black level

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post Jun 17 2018, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 17 2018, 09:14 PM)
OLED TV has self emitting LED , the contrast is so deep it is virtually infinite  . They are also pretty versatile so you generally don't have to worry about glare  , even in lit room OLED TV will still look great . All Oled TV also come with a glossy finish that is effective at overcoming glare and reflection . The sunlight will cause the strongest kind of glare , no doubt  . Even for the brightest LED TV like Q9FN , the picture will degrade under such condition , but rest assured you will still be getting the best picture compare to other models .
As for the burn in issues , it is mostly cause by the uneven aging of the OLED organic pixels.  Burn in issues on OLED are rare and extreme cases ,as long as you maintain a healthy viewing habits .  But these occurrence are overblown because people only complain when they encounter problems

Should you vary the content you watch / games you play, the risk should be kept to a minimal.
Pixel refresher system exist in all the OLED TV , including Sony's but they are called different name . They are meant to help clearing the image retention , which is a completely different issue. Currently there's no direction solution to burn in
Desa home was selling several OLED last time I checked ,  the 65 inches E7 is priced at 10999 and 65 inches C6 at 8999 . Aside from the addition of a few new features  , the picture quality will remain largely the same on these panels for general uses
C8 (and the other 8 series ) remains the brightest OLED  , but the improvement is marginal . But all OLED are more than bright enough to match the highest HDR standard thanks to the perfect black level
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They look awesome when playing 4K HDR games with low input lag for faster response.

Sales man keeps saying burn in is covered in the standard two years warranty from LG. Have you verified it? Does the extended warranty for another three years must (knowing the price tag and you keep it for few years)?

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QUOTE(shankar @ Jun 17 2018, 09:24 PM)
They look awesome when playing 4K HDR games with low input lag for faster response.

Sales man keeps saying burn in is covered in the standard two years warranty from LG. Have you verified it? Does the extended warranty for another three years must (knowing the price tag and you keep it for few years)?
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From what I understand , the situation is a bit peculiar here .

OLED TV are far less common in Malaysia , compare to US / UK .

Many of us are too concerned about the burn in for such expensive displays . It does seems like LG offer "burn mark "(whatever they called it) as part of the warranty now , at least what is what I was told when I purchased the C8 . Maybe to attract to more buyers , especially when Samsung is provoking them in their face , " 10 years burn in warranty protection for our Q9FN "



Yes , 4k HDR on OLED looks surreal and is the biggest improvement that set it apart from typical 4K TV


OLED TV is a pretty big investment and most people don't buy a new TV every year . So if it is within your financial limits , extended warranty is worth it . Especially if it cover for the burn marks in this case.

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I have been using my C7 for over a year as monitor, I haven't even got any burn in lol. Yes I do use some common sense like setting an automatic screensaver if there is no activity for over 15 minutes.

Lately I haven't even been giving much thought to "baby" my C7. Yes temporary image retention will happen from time to time, but permanent burn in? Unlikely unless you really try your hardest to do it.
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post Jun 19 2018, 12:55 AM

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Here is an article about OLED's progress



http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...mium-tv-market/


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post Jun 19 2018, 12:59 AM

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Quote from the article.. samsung made a mistake?



A look at online reviews of both OLED and QLED TVs in the past couple of years indicate that OLED TVs made by South Korea’s LG Electronics and Japan’s Sony gained fans because of the quality of the picture. In particular, reviewers cited more realistic colours and high resolution, as well as attractive designs and increasingly reasonable prices.

That doesn’t mean the Samsung QLED TVs don’t have their supporters. Picture quality has also improved and prices have dropped but they don’t tend to be reviewers’ top picks.

“OLED TV’s jump in premium TV market share is a direct result of its outstanding picture quality,” said Ross Young, CEO of research provider Display Supply Chain Consultants. “Samsung may have missteped in their 2017 product by emphasizing design over picture performance.”

Samsung last year only got an 18.5 percent share of global sales for premium TVs, based on dollar revenue, down from 54.7 percent in 2015, according to research firm IHS Markit. Meanwhile, Sony and LG have leapfrogged Samsung to grab 36.9 percent and 33 percent of the market respectively.
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QUOTE(enkil @ Jun 19 2018, 12:59 AM)
Quote from the article.. samsung made a mistake?
A look at online reviews of both OLED and QLED TVs in the past couple of years indicate that OLED TVs made by South Korea’s LG Electronics and Japan’s Sony gained fans because of the quality of the picture. In particular, reviewers cited more realistic colours and high resolution, as well as attractive designs and increasingly reasonable prices.

That doesn’t mean the Samsung QLED TVs don’t have their supporters. Picture quality has also improved and prices have dropped but they don’t tend to be reviewers’ top picks.

“OLED TV’s jump in premium TV market share is a direct result of its outstanding picture quality,” said Ross Young, CEO of research provider Display Supply Chain Consultants. “Samsung may have missteped in their 2017 product by emphasizing design over picture performance.”

Samsung last year only got an 18.5 percent share of global sales for premium TVs, based on dollar revenue, down from 54.7 percent in 2015, according to research firm IHS Markit. Meanwhile, Sony and LG have leapfrogged Samsung to grab 36.9 percent and 33 percent of the market respectively.
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I expect the tide to shift a little with the new batch of QLED, words of the new Q9FN being crowned as the new King of LED TV ( previously hold by Sony Z9D)


That beast is able to conjure an inky blackness that is visually identical with the OLEDs , along with that 2000-3000 nits peak brightness .
At that level , they basically don't need to tonemap the typical HDR content mastered @1000-4000 cd/m²


Still , I don't see this happening in Malaysia .
Samsung MY is just way too greedy and their pricing has been consistently higher than most of the other region .
Q9FN and the QLED models in our country are much more expensive than the OLEDs , even the mid range 55 inches NU8000 cost over $5600+ ( 65 inches of NU8000 in USA cost less than that )


Doesn't help the fact they have been stripping features from budget and lower end models every year , cheaper remote control , no voice input etc
So yea , Samsung MY , at least make your pricing competent first if you want more people to buy your TVs.


On the other hand Samsung's Customer service is fairly knowledgeable , I would have gotten a Q9FN instead of a C8 if it wasn't for the over the top EOTF HDR tracking , crushing the tiny details on screen. I am a Huge fan of those glittering little details you see behind the darkness in HDR , although I heard they have been doing better after several firmware patches to allow for less aggressive FALD .

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Just bought a LG OLED C7 55inch from Desa Home for rm6599. Plus i also received rm1.3k worth of voucher from them. A very good bargain IMO, been using the TV with my PS4 Pro, very very impressed with the quality.

Anyone interested to buy the TV from desa home can PM me, i probably will let go the voucher since im not planning to buy anymore electronics anytime soon.
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QUOTE(nagapelangi @ Jun 19 2018, 11:43 AM)
Just bought a LG OLED C7 55inch from Desa Home for rm6599. Plus i also received rm1.3k worth of voucher from them. A very good bargain IMO, been using the TV with my PS4 Pro, very very impressed with the quality.

Anyone interested to buy the TV from desa home can PM me, i probably will let go the voucher since im not planning to buy anymore electronics anytime soon.
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Their vouchers got minimum purchase or limit on the type of purchases allowed ah? If got all sorts of limitations then quite meh. How long is it valid for?
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QUOTE(kucuboy @ Jun 19 2018, 02:02 PM)
Their vouchers got minimum purchase or limit on the type of purchases allowed ah? If got all sorts of limitations then quite meh. How long is it valid for?
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Hi. Replied to your pm already.
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Got it, Thx
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B7 basically is the same with C7, but in different shell? hmm.gif

many electronic stores are slashing price for the older model + zero GST
the price are pretty tempting drool.gif
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QUOTE(nagapelangi @ Jun 19 2018, 11:43 AM)
Just bought a LG OLED C7 55inch from Desa Home for rm6599. Plus i also received rm1.3k worth of voucher from them. A very good bargain IMO, been using the TV with my PS4 Pro, very very impressed with the quality.

Anyone interested to buy the TV from desa home can PM me, i probably will let go the voucher since im not planning to buy anymore electronics anytime soon.
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Wow! Thats double the amount of voucher i got.. congrats and enjoy rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 19 2018, 03:01 AM)
I expect the tide to shift a little with the new batch of QLED,  words of the new Q9FN being crowned as the new King of LED TV ( previously hold by Sony Z9D)
That beast is able to conjure an inky blackness that is visually identical with the OLEDs , along with that 2000-3000 nits peak brightness  .
At that level , they basically don't need to tonemap the typical HDR content mastered @1000-4000 cd/m²
Still , I don't see this happening in Malaysia . 
Samsung  MY is just way too greedy and their pricing has been consistently higher than most of the other region .
Q9FN and the QLED models in our country are much more expensive than the OLEDs , even the mid range 55 inches NU8000 cost over $5600+ ( 65 inches of NU8000 in USA cost less than that )
Doesn't help the fact they have been stripping features from budget and lower end models every year , cheaper remote control , no voice input etc
So yea , Samsung MY , at least make your pricing competent first if you want more people to buy your TVs.
On the other hand Samsung's Customer service is fairly knowledgeable , I would have gotten a Q9FN instead of a C8 if it wasn't for the over the top EOTF HDR tracking , crushing the tiny details on screen.  I am a Huge fan of those glittering little details you see behind the darkness in HDR  , although I heard they have been doing better after several firmware patches to allow for less aggressive FALD .
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Indeed price is the deterrent for me to get the QLEDs.. plus LG OLED has been around for quite a while with good reviews and customer satisfaction. The current clearance sale for new models are just a bonus rolleyes.gif

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