The C7 has dropped down to 6-7K , a good time to pick up OLED for those who wanted some asskicking Picture Quality.


I am looking for a good price for 55' - 65 ' C8 , thinking its finally time to leave my B7 behind

Let me know if someone got a good offer from around KL , thx

Online ?


I got an offer from TBC for 6.8k for C7 , but I am the friend with the shop keeper.
It is not a display unit that much for sure.

I am not getting a good price for C8 from them sadly

You have to speak with the shop keeper and show some intention of buying ,and then give up .
It's Raya soon and post 6% GST , if they are serious about clearing stock they will give you some discounts .


C7 is already at 7.3 and few days ago you can get a RM 200 coupon for spending over 4k

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 7 2018, 09:46 PM

7.9k is a rip off , they were and still are selling 7.3 at various online sites .



The price I got is from Tmn Permaisuri but I have called them again , they are no longer selling with that price now . It was the price I got 2 weeks ago when LG had promotion with Sound bar and now the promotion has ended


If it helps Desa Home is selling 65 inches C6 for 9.3k now, which is quite a good deal

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 9 2018, 02:34 AM

All 4k tv should have upscaling functions , it is a matter of how well it performs.
When it comes to upscaling Sony's TV usually take the crown , but the rest are not too far behind





Not much more , unless we are strictly talking contrast rating, in which case Oled will always win in terms of contrast

The newer batch of Samsung QLED , especially Q8f and Q9FN have an incredible FALD system that is very capable of darkening / brightening the HDR highlights.
The Q9FN is particularly impressive .Both TV are also MUCH brighter than any OLED TV on the market now

And you need to keep in mind , all OLED TVs have a risk of burn in , because of the organic compound used in OLED wear out with usage / time
LG and Sony also do not count burn in as Defect , therefore they are not covered in warranty.



All OLED TV have fantastic picture quality , so it is hard to tell which is the best just from price alone .

Just so if we are comparing , A1 was suppose to compete with last year's C7 / B7 , in which LG OLED TV are usually slightly brighter with less aggressive ABL ( although both TV are still bright enough for HDR content to pop out from the OLED screen ) . Sony's TVs are slightly better at processing images .



Frankly speaking , an OLED TV is like that exquisite and fragile and elegant lady , require a lot of caring and self awareness from you . If you are just going to watch some TV shows / sport shows and leave your TV on a lot, the static elements from screen especially the logos & subtitles will increase the risk of getting burn in .

My advice is , if you don't want to be too wary of watching time, you should get an LED TV , the Samsung newer Generation of QLED is quite damn amazing .

Frankly speaking with your budget , you could get a new Samsung Q9FN that has one of the widest color gamut among consumer TV until today. They are also the brightiest TV on market until now and being a QLED , the TV is also free from risk of burn in ( LED Burn in are covered by Samsung as well )




That's a good price for 65 inches . C7 are generally regarded as the best consumer TV from 2017 in terms of performance .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 9 2018, 01:19 PM

If we talk about picture quality for TV , it usually means 1 thing , the contrast rating . Human eyes are actually very sensitive to black and white , therefore contrast between the Peak brightness and peak darkness on the screen is stronger , the better the picture will appear to our eyes .


So strictly from numbers alone , no LED screen can ever come close to having contrast level of OLED screen , as much as most Samsung TVs already have better than average contrast level. However , do keep in mind LED do not suffer from burn in so it can offer you a peace of mind not having to worry about the watching content and time.

I don't think C8 is worth it now , unless you watch a lot of sports , play a lot of fast pace fps / action games or super nitpicky like some of us that demand absolute perfection on picture quality. The processor and BFI upgrade isn't big enough to justify the price .

So yea , congrats on your purchase , you've made a great decision imo

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 10 2018, 07:46 AM

I bought a C8 for my home , delivering tomorrow

Can't wait to compare it with older TV

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 11 2018, 10:17 PM

Spent the last several days , testing my C8 . This bad boy is kicking some serious asses .


I must say I particularly love the new BFI on C8 , I can sit closer to the TV without getting dazzled by all the hardcore action scenes now .


Also for gamers , the new dynamic tone mapping makes a Day and night difference for gaming . Wouldn't recommend it for movies though , especially those mastered in Dolby vision are already very bright .


Last year they patched the OLED with a nerf on the brightness and APL , causing the a lot of games , such as Horizon Zero to look way too dark. You can offset this by turning on dynamic contrast, however this cause a lot of details to be lost behind the brighter area. The dynamic tone mapping is different , they analyze metadata and selectively brighten zone or object carefully with the new a9 CPU , the result is HDR highlight and zones that look a lot more iluminating than any OLED TV, yet retaining most of the fine and delicate details on screen .




I know a lot of reviewers say it isn't worth the upgrade from last year , but that is because they are not primarily gamers . For me , this feature alone is good enough of a reason to upgrade from last year's model.



My verdict : if you are a gamer , the C8 along with other 8 series ( except B8 ) are probably the most amazing TV money can buy now . The AF8 seem to still struggle with input lag , and Sony's OLED approach to the HDR just doesn't seem right to me , they choose to go for the brighter route and overblown the HDR details , one of purposes of getting a good HDR display was to check out all the glorious details behind the bright and colorful lights to begin with .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 16 2018, 10:07 AM

Depends on what games you will be playing, they have a new Logo luminance settings now where the TV will dim the logo so it will not appear too bright . According to LG this will reduce the burn-in chance . But nobody can confirm this as the TV is still fairly new

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 16 2018, 06:01 PM

TV get cheaper with time , especially when they renew the model every year.


C8 is still relatively new in Malaysia , I was checking my unit's production date it was just manufactured in May 2018 from Indonesia.
So I don't expect the model getting much cheaper anytime soon .


If you don't play much games , C7 / C6 are much cheaper and still a great choice to go . I remember Desa Home was selling 65 inches C6 for RM9000

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 17 2018, 06:45 PM

OLED TV has self emitting LED , the contrast is so deep it is virtually infinite . So you generally don't have to worry about glare , even in lit room OLED TV will still look great . All Oled TV also come with a glossy finish that is effective at overcoming glare and reflection . The sunlight will cause the strongest kind of glare , no doubt . Even for the brightest LED TV like Q9FN , the picture will degrade under such condition , but rest assured you will still be getting the best picture compare to other models .


As for the burn in issues , it is mostly cause by the uneven aging of the OLED organic pixels. Burn in issues on OLED are rare and extreme cases ,as long as you maintain a healthy viewing habits . But these occurrence are overblown because people only complain when they encounter problems

Should you vary the content you watch / games you play, the risk should be kept to a minimal.


Pixel refresher system exist in all the OLED TV , including Sony's but they are called different name . They are meant to help clearing the image retention , which is a completely different issue. Currently there's no direct solution to burn in


Desa home was selling several OLED last time I checked , the 65 inches E7 is priced at 10999 and 65 inches C6 at 8999 . Aside from the addition of a few new features , the picture quality will remain largely the same on these panels for general uses


C8 (and the other 8 series ) remains the brightest OLED , but the improvement is marginal . I can only tell the difference if I put them beside B7 in a dark room . Still, all OLED are more than bright enough to match the highest HDR standard thanks to the perfect black level

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 18 2018, 07:11 AM

From what I understand , the situation is a bit peculiar here .

OLED TV are far less common in Malaysia , compare to US / UK .

Many of us are too concerned about the burn in for such expensive displays . It does seems like LG offer "burn mark "(whatever they called it) as part of the warranty now , at least what is what I was told when I purchased the C8 . Maybe to attract to more buyers , especially when Samsung is provoking them in their face , " 10 years burn in warranty protection for our Q9FN "



Yes , 4k HDR on OLED looks surreal and is the biggest improvement that set it apart from typical 4K TV


OLED TV is a pretty big investment and most people don't buy a new TV every year . So if it is within your financial limits , extended warranty is worth it . Especially if it cover for the burn marks in this case.

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 17 2018, 09:42 PM

I expect the tide to shift a little with the new batch of QLED, words of the new Q9FN being crowned as the new King of LED TV ( previously hold by Sony Z9D)


That beast is able to conjure an inky blackness that is visually identical with the OLEDs , along with that 2000-3000 nits peak brightness .
At that level , they basically don't need to tonemap the typical HDR content mastered @1000-4000 cd/m²


Still , I don't see this happening in Malaysia .
Samsung MY is just way too greedy and their pricing has been consistently higher than most of the other region .
Q9FN and the QLED models in our country are much more expensive than the OLEDs , even the mid range 55 inches NU8000 cost over $5600+ ( 65 inches of NU8000 in USA cost less than that )


Doesn't help the fact they have been stripping features from budget and lower end models every year , cheaper remote control , no voice input etc
So yea , Samsung MY , at least make your pricing competent first if you want more people to buy your TVs.


On the other hand Samsung's Customer service is fairly knowledgeable , I would have gotten a Q9FN instead of a C8 if it wasn't for the over the top EOTF HDR tracking , crushing the tiny details on screen. I am a Huge fan of those glittering little details you see behind the darkness in HDR , although I heard they have been doing better after several firmware patches to allow for less aggressive FALD .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 19 2018, 05:36 AM

Yes , they use the exact same panel , only difference is the stand.



Unfortunately this is not going to be the same case for this year's B8 . The upcoming B8 will use a less advanced a7 processor , compare to the C8 's a9 .
I expect the B8 to be more affordable , but some minor drop in picture quality without some of the more advanced ( but not too useful ) feature found in the C8 / E8 / W8

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 20 2018, 10:22 AM

Desa home is going to have a grand opening for the LG brand shop from 22 June to 1st July , check out the deals on their facebook



They are still putting up the LG C7 @ promotional price



C8 seems to have dropped a bit as well .

Currently C8 is priced at 8599 for 55 inches and 14999 for the 65 inches

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 20 2018, 12:52 PM

That's more or less the distributor price I think (67% of the original price ) . They don't make much from it .
I got mine at around the same price , but via some not so ... safe channel from a seller friend.


Again most sales guy in the shop can't even tell the difference between c7 and c8 ... so I hope this is genuine .


So yea @J-HAM do let us know if you end up getting a new , authentic C8 at the same price .
Make sure its coded " PTA" , that's the local unit .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 22 2018, 07:14 AM

Agreed


From what I gathered , these are pretty much the only difference


1) Image processing - the B8 is only restricted to dual steps when it comes to the picture enhancing and noise reduction , instead of the highly advertised Quad step from C8 , not like most video purist use this feature anyway . On theory , the C8 should have a slightly more accurate picture enhancement due to having increased color points reference. As you said this may not be visible to the bare eyes


2) the a9 CPU uses a 33x33x33 for their internal 3D L.U.T cube ( 35937 color data points reference) , the a7 (B8) can only do 17x17x17 (4913 color data points) , fewer color interpolation runs are needed for more accurate colors on the C8 ++ models , less room for mistakes . Another not so impactful feature to the consumers , more useful to the calibrators.


3) Both processor can technically decode and run 4k + 120 fps (HFR) videos via USB / internal apps , but the C8 can do HDR + HFR simultaneously , a7 (B8) is restricted to only one task at one time . More of a future proof measurement since there are hardly any HFR consumer content around. Some reviewers also speculate the a9 processor may be able to decode 8k at 60 fps via firmware updates in the future.


These new features aren't crucial or groundbreaking in any ways (at least for now) , I would still spend a little bit more on the C8 ++ series for the peace of mind .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 21 2018, 08:38 PM

I suggest you get a C8 , since you are a gamer . Dynamic tonemapping in game mode on C8 make your HDR games look better.


If you watch more movies than playing games , then go for a C7 instead.


10k is a good price for a 65 inches 3 months old OLED c7, Desa home is still selling the same model for 12k++
Make sure to check for signs of burn in or image retention if you end up buying .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 21 2018, 09:34 PM

Rtings reviewers aren't big gamers , they merely use the consoles as tester to the TV capabilities .


And their reviews always favor price over actual performance .
For the lower price , you still get the same unbeatable OLED screen , therefore for most of their readers a cheaper B6 is "better" than c7 .


But when it comes down to features , particularly noise reduction handling , C7 / B7 are far superior to the 6 series .
Rtings also often ignore contemporary issues of the TV , such as the over the top , EOTF tracking on the Q9FN .

By the standards of SMPTE (Society of Motion Picture & Television Engineers) , they suggest the TV screen filling up 30% of your vision for normal people , 40% for Cinema enthusiast for more immersion .


65 inches = 8.9' (2.69 m) for 30% ; 6.5' (1.98 m) for 40%

55 inches = 7.5' (2.28 m) for 30 % ; 5.5' (1.68 m) for 40%


So yea , feel free make the adjustment by yourself . Take note everyone has a different endurance , some people may experience motion sickness sitting too close to the TV , so take these as a guideline , but not absolute rules .

You shouldn't worry too much about picture noise , just turn that mpeg / noise reduction to the max . These TVs are like noise absorber, unfortunately this will also remove many of the fine details . But if you are watching content on SD , what details are we talking about here

Just turn it off when you are back to watching UHD content.

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 22 2018, 01:29 PM