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 Proton PrevĂ© V23, Livin la vida loca

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post Mar 12 2016, 11:29 AM

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post Mar 12 2016, 07:21 PM

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Hi guys. sponge comes out from my Preve aircond. How do I rectify this? What do I need to change? Where does the sponge comes from actually?
I've check the aircond filter under the dashboard of passenger side but found it is OK just got some leaves.
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post Mar 13 2016, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(winners8 @ Mar 12 2016, 08:29 AM)
Lucky for you people living in KL/Klang, but I'm in JB  bangwall.gif .  By the way, what's the mileage of your PREVE?  Probably they changed the hose for you because you're near to 40,000 km.
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My car's mileage is 47,000 km. Maybe they really mean it when they announced they will give priority to cars with a mileage that is higher than 40,000 km.


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post Mar 13 2016, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 13 2016, 12:00 AM)
My car's mileage is 47,000 km. Maybe they really mean it when they announced they will give priority to cars with a mileage that is higher than 40,000 km.
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At 47,000 km, it definitely needs to be changed. Nevertheless, it is morally wrong for PROTON to call this a "recall" because a "recall" will mean that the hose replacement must be done with no conditions attached whatsoever, similar to other makes. Otherwise, it'll just be another normal warranty claim upon the breakdown of the part concern. My worry is what happens if the hose will leak or burst before the 40,000 km? Wouldn't engine protection carries a higher priority for PROTON than just a 30-minute job to change the 2 hoses? Once the engine will overheat excessively, there will be more damage within it and its reliability will never be the same again.

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post Mar 13 2016, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(winners8 @ Mar 13 2016, 08:40 AM)
At 47,000 km, it definitely needs to be changed.  Nevertheless, it is morally wrong for PROTON to call this a "recall" because a "recall" will mean that the hose replacement must be done with no conditions attached whatsoever, similar to other makes.  Otherwise, it'll just be another normal warranty claim upon the breakdown of the part concern.  My worry is what happens if the hose will leak or burst before the 40,000 km?  Wouldn't engine protection carries a higher priority for PROTON than just a 30-minute job to change the 2 hoses?  Once the engine will overheat excessively, there will be more damage within it and its reliability will never be the same again.
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"Recall" is a universal term that is easily understood to replace a part of the car that is defective. I can understand the frustration of Proton giving priority to cars with mileage higher than 40,000 km. They have likely ascertained the failure of the turbo hoses of the earlier batches to happen above 40,000 km or 50,000 km to implement the condition of the "recall".

There must be a lot of early Preve Turbo owners who have clocked a high mileage close to 100,000 km with their cars now. Maybe some of these owners can share their experience whether they have had any problems with their cars with respect to the hoses.
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Mar 12 2016, 10:36 AM)
Haha did the same too with rubber band. I claimed before but came off after a while, so still the same. They just keep more double sided tape. sigh.
Looking around to switch the gearknob entirely.
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Ok, guess that may be the only (cheap but effective) solution to keep the silver plastic piece in place. If it happens again then perhaps can consider a better quality aftermarket gear knob, or continue to ask them to stick the double-sided tape. The gear knob in the car is surely low quality.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 13 2016, 03:00 PM)
Ok, guess that may be the only (cheap but effective) solution to keep the silver plastic piece in place. If it happens again then perhaps can consider a better quality aftermarket gear knob, or continue to ask them to stick the double-sided tape. The gear knob in the car is surely low quality.
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I will probably change to an aftermarket one if mine broke, but so far so good, no sign of it becoming loose or anything.
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Anyone experienced reduced performance in the acceleration especially at the higher-end spectrum, ie. from 130 km/h onwards. Currently I experience reduced performance in power when accelerating the car from 130 km/h to 180 km/h. Extremely difficult to accelerate from 160 to 180 km/h, and when the needle reaches 180 km/h it doesn't want to go up any further. WHen it was new (mileage below 30,000 km), acceleration was better.

Recently serviced car.

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 13 2016, 05:19 PM)
Anyone experienced reduced performance in the acceleration especially at the higher-end spectrum, ie. from 130 km/h onwards. Currently I experience reduced performance in power when accelerating the car from 130 km/h to 180 km/h. Extremely difficult to accelerate from 160 to 180 km/h, and when the needle reaches 180 km/h it doesn't want to go up any further. WHen it was new (mileage below 30,000 km), acceleration was better.

Recently serviced car.
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I had this more than a year ago, seems like it was gone after updating the ECU as per someone's advice in this forum.
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post Mar 13 2016, 08:58 PM

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WOW, I had been climbing from V1 to V23, do skipped some in the middle, very glad to see so many Shifu generously sharing your kind opinions. rclxms.gif

I just bought a showroom unit made 2013 Turbo version. 4760Km only currently, in the process of loan application currently. Just a few questions, hope any SHIFUs can indulge me icon_rolleyes.gif

1. It does not come with any warranty card, so I am not sure if I have any warranty, will it not have any warranty if it is considered as a 2nd hand unit? (1st owner Proton Edar Sdn Bhd, not sure if they do any services, noticed the battery is changed. )

2. I was actually given choice of 3 units, and I picked this on the reason as below:-
a. 1st unit has 16k Km, and the interior is v much older, the seats lost is comfort, berbulu and noticeable seat sound when I ride on it
b. 2nd unit has 3760Km milage but the steering felt noticeably heavy and I can't do cornering like the others. Very loud rattling noise when I was on the back seat. The gear does not feel smooth and the car keep shaking when i throttle.
c. 3rd unit is the one I picked, as the steering, breaking, gear all felt comfortable on drive, just some wear and tears interior (like scratches on front passenger arm rest, steering plastic part), missing cover for the handbrake part, but he does promised to replace it for me.
Not sure if I had made the right choice. rclxub.gif

3. I am planning to send to SC for a full check on all the parts to identify any possible problems and also to try to fix a few issues like changing engine oil, getting the ECU remapping, mayb if possible ask for the seat cover replacement as all starts to show sign of berbulu, the suspension felt quite hard when i drive over a high bumper without slowing much(I do felt less bumby on a SLyphy), and there is less rattling noise but still it is there when driving even on normal road surface.

4. Any recommended SC for Ipoh / Kuala Kangsar region?

Hopefully all will be well. It will be my weekend car/spare care when my old car breakdown thumbup.gif and I am currently on a 2001 Saga 1.5L(A).

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QUOTE(winners8 @ Mar 10 2016, 06:29 AM)
Yesterday, I went to the PROTON SC to do my second service (5,001 km).  When I asked about the recall for the 2 hydraulic hoses for the turbo unit, I was told that they will only replace them at about the 40,000 km mileage or otherwise, through a visual inspection and only if they deem necessary after that.  They insisted that this is the instruction delegated from their HQ and they will have to abide strictly to it.

I think PROTON is definitely not honest nor sincere about this recall.  A recall means that it must be done with no conditions attached.  Otherwise, it’ll just be another normal warranty claim upon the failure of the component. 

I don’t expect them to replace the 2 hydraulic hoses for impromptu customers, but they should at least have allowed this job to be done together during the vehicle’s next servicing.  Otherwise, if they will replace the 2 hydraulic hoses only upon reaching the 40,000 km mileage, who can guarantee that they won’t leak or burst before 40,000 km?

Furthermore, such a failure will be disastrous because it can only happen when the engine is running and the vehicle is on the road.  The owner will only realize the failure when the “low engine oil” light is ON or when the engine temperature is abnormally high due to insufficient engine oil.  When that happens, not only the engine may suffer irrecoverable damage, but will also cause terrible inconvenience to the owner because by then, the vehicle must be towed to the workshop and cannot be driven anymore. 

I hate to say this, but PROTON is really such a disappointment in their after-sales service.  No wonder they will never improve on this aspect and will continue to be greatly despised upon by many ex-PROTON owners as well as owners of the other makes.  Come on PROTON management, if any of you is reading this post and if you really want to enhance your corporate image, this kind of “selective recall” should never have been allowed.  It will only tarnish your corporate image further going into the future, no matter how hard you will try to sell your advantages to the general public, because their perception, experience and reality of your after-sales service sucks greatly and with much contempt. 

On another side-note, my vehicle was bought during the 7-year extended warranty program promotion.  I have been writing emails after emails to the PROTON CARE to inquire about my Extended Warranty Certificate (EWC) which is supposed to be mailed to me.  Initially, they claimed to be issued by September 2015, then postponed to November 2015, December 2015 and the latest is supposed to be by January 2016.  Today is already March 2016 and I have still not received my EWC, or could it be POS LAJU not doing their mail deliveries promptly?  I very much doubt so.  Why their top management will always like to give their assurances and promises, but their subordinates will not act nor follow up diligently in most instances, and even to hope for the PROTON owners to eventually forget about them?  They seem to only know how to “sweet talk” and I feel very much insulted in their way of treating their loyal customers.
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You guys know that the recall, isn't a permanent fix right? Replacing the hose is only an interim solution to reduce chances of cars older than 40000KM to encounter oil cooler hose burst. So there isn't a need to replace the OCH for newer cars, if the intention is to tackle the risk on statistical failure. However if it happens to you due to luck, unfortunately you will have to go through it.

I heard that the long term solution would come in about 6 more months. I personally clocked over 50000KM, but I don't feel like changing it, unless it bursts. I still hold my ground not to fix things that aren't broken, unless solution is proven.
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post Mar 13 2016, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 13 2016, 05:19 PM)
Anyone experienced reduced performance in the acceleration especially at the higher-end spectrum, ie. from 130 km/h onwards. Currently I experience reduced performance in power when accelerating the car from 130 km/h to 180 km/h. Extremely difficult to accelerate from 160 to 180 km/h, and when the needle reaches 180 km/h it doesn't want to go up any further. WHen it was new (mileage below 30,000 km), acceleration was better.

Recently serviced car.
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Have you clean the throttle body? If no, try it.

I found that it is much easier to accelerate past 160km/h with RON97 fuel than RON95
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post Mar 14 2016, 06:36 PM

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Hey guys, is my fuel consumption normal at 10.1/100km for 50-50 city & highway drive?
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post Mar 14 2016, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Mar 13 2016, 10:36 PM)
Have you clean the throttle body? If no, try it.

I found that it is much easier to accelerate past 160km/h with RON97 fuel than RON95
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Can we request the throttle body to be cleaned at the service centre by citing the reduced performance during acceleration?

Good to know the car is able to accelerate better with RON97 than RON95. I'll stick with RON95 as I don't drive over 130 km/h too much. It's only once in a blue moon, say 1 or 2 times in a year I"ll give the engine a workout by attempting 200 km/h. Though this recent experience tells me that i should not stretch the engine too much. Maybe the throttle body is dirty as you have suggested which affects the performance in the acceleration.
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Mar 13 2016, 06:23 PM)
I had this more than a year ago, seems like it was gone after updating the ECU as per someone's advice in this forum.
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OK. Not sure if it is Proton updating the ECU, or the throttle body is dirty as suggested by Allenultra.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 14 2016, 07:20 PM)
Can we request the throttle body to be cleaned at the service centre by citing the reduced performance during acceleration?

Good to know the car is able to accelerate better with RON97 than RON95. I'll stick with RON95 as I don't drive over 130 km/h too much. It's only once in a blue moon, say 1 or 2 times in a year I"ll give the engine a workout by attempting 200 km/h. Though this recent experience tells me that i should not stretch the engine too much. Maybe the throttle body is dirty as you have suggested which affects the performance in the acceleration.
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You can, as long as you willing to pay.
You can actually DIY, open the hose, use paper to wipe it cleanly.

If you willing to pay, try something like this to fully clean them off and then install an oil catch tank. Service centre will not able to clean it this way.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...61&hl=threebond
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post Mar 15 2016, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Mar 14 2016, 10:47 PM)
You can, as long as you willing to pay.
You can actually DIY, open the hose, use paper to wipe it cleanly.

If you willing to pay, try something like this to fully clean them off and then install an oil catch tank. Service centre will not able to clean it this way.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...61&hl=threebond
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Thanks for the response.

I have googled a bit on throttle body cleaning. Apparently the throttle body cleaning usually applies to old cars with high mileage. Some references quoted a mileage of >120,000 km before considering to clean the body throttle.

Also, I have noted on the symptoms of a dirty throttle body as follows:-

1. Slow and uneven acceleration
2. Engine idles erratically
3. Reduced fuel consumption
4. Engine Stalling
5. Overall poor performance

From all of the above, my car doesn't seem to experience any of these symptoms although item no. 1 doesn't exactly apply as I only experienced difficulty accelerating from about 160 km/h onwards. Acceleration at below this speed is considered to be normal.

It is just the car now takes a long time to accelerate from 160 km/h to 180 km/h (cannot seem to go any higher, though I stop pushing the car after I notice the car is struggling very hard and the needle stopped at 180 on the speedometer). Assuming the car now takes 15 seconds to go from 160 km/h to 180 km/h. Previously, the car may just take 8 seconds.

Anyway, I'll keep the body throttle in mind.



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QUOTE(ZooK @ Mar 10 2016, 11:25 AM)
Speaking about service centres. I can't get hold of the Mutiara Damansara service centre. No one seems to be picking up.
Any other recommended service centre for my under-warranty Preve anyone can recommend? I thought of going back to mutiara damansara then I can chill in Curve while they are working on the car.
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Looks like the only way to get a schedule done is to go to the service centre and get turned down for the day and then schedule the service for another day.
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But besides that, I like the car very much.
Feels pretty safe.

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