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 Proton PrevĂ© V23, Livin la vida loca

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post Aug 9 2015, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 6 2015, 10:24 AM)
changed my car batt this morning, my old batt official died after 3yrs+ nearly 4yrs, my preve was the very first batch. Changed to hitachi, but the model no abit different is 50d23L, not 55d23L. Will there be any differences between the two? as the size is totally the same. around rm290 include gst.. how much is ramcar batt selling at sc? i heard ramcar is top quality battery..
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The ramcar is 300+.

50D23L is the same physical size, but lesser CCA than the original 53D23L.
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post Aug 9 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 9 2015, 04:43 PM)
oh ok.. will it be a problem?
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Should not be of any problem.
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post Aug 10 2015, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroHavoc @ Aug 10 2015, 05:19 AM)
any user here use sport spring on their car?

can give rev?
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Stock spring already very high spring rate. Or are you looking for a firmer shock absorber?
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post Aug 10 2015, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroHavoc @ Aug 10 2015, 09:27 PM)
actually im just looking for lowered look for sporty look  tongue.gif

im new to this, but people say if im using standard abs with sport the abs will kong easily am i right?

can give me any brand&feed anyone thks  smile.gif
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That's what I heard too.

Why not adjustable right away? You get handling and also your required lowered look, without sacrificing longevity. Also a higher spring rate to avoid hitting your fenders. BC Racing or AR Racing, both available for Preve.

If more budget, then F tuned. Check out their work here. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.6...72423739&type=3
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post Aug 11 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Aug 11 2015, 07:11 PM)
Preve CFE seems very nice...

after reading though page 1, lots of my worries are gone...

TBH, should i replace my trouble-free-but-rattling inspira with preve??
AFAIK, the boot are bigger, performance are better...
i'm not new to Proton, as i have driven and own lots of proton cars before..
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No need to change from Inspira to Preve.

Not all Preve are rattle free also.
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post Aug 12 2015, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(3nDx @ Aug 11 2015, 11:20 PM)
It's been a long time since I'm last active here.. Anyone here still face problem of CVT heat up issue when cruising at high speed? I kena twice alrd this week on highway. Drive high speed halfway the CVT light lights up, then the transmission went dead. Have to stop at emergency lane to restart the engine. Just 170km/h leh.. Engine can tahan but CVT can't?
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Some people seem to have this issue of cooling. I never held mine at high speed for too long, maximum also 190km/h for 1-2KM stretch, so I never got this overheating. Should you try to ensure that your radiator and transmission cooler are all clean and not blocked by road debris? Lol.

This problem is common among CVT cars, not just Preve, especially if you're using Mitsubishi Lancer. The same goes for Inspira, but Proton has already improved the Inspira's CVT cooling system.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 12 2015, 07:31 AM)
bro, my car twice already today second day hard to start during early morning. Today it stalled for the first time showing the battery is low. Should i go back to the shop to change to the same rating battery? i scare the shop doesnt have the same battery. Or should i go to SC have it checked?
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Low battery sign could be false positive. Reduced CCA could have raised it more easily but since the battery is new, you should able to use it.

The shop probably won't be able to change for you without charging you.

Could it have been hard to start due to other issue such as dirty throttle body?

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post Aug 12 2015, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 12 2015, 01:18 PM)
ok so i will have to let SC clean my throttle body? I saw somebody in the forum with such problem too.. so i would like to know wat is the fix on it.
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I once had hard starting. Actual cause is unknown because it didn't get fixed right after cleaning throttle body. Problem went off by itself.
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post Aug 12 2015, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Aug 12 2015, 08:29 PM)
Was there a recall for preve due to strong vibration?

After changing the gearbox. Now the car have a strong vibrating sensation when no throttle is applied

I saw a blog post saying that there was a recall but no further details available
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No need to wait for recall. You can claim the faulty mounting at SC.
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post Aug 12 2015, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 10:10 PM)
I am curious to know if there are any Preve Turbo owners who often do frequent or occasional hard acceleration and high speed cruising on the car and did not experience any peculiar behavior with the CVT.
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My car is soon to be 2 years. Last few months, everyday without fail, I do full throttle accelerations. Nothing peculiar yet, but I do see the behavior that the first cool down, the RPM is high with loose feeling (because of higher RPM even at slow speed) upon first re-acceleration.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 12 2015, 10:53 PM)
Thanks for the information. Full throttle acceleration, I am presuming you have stepped on the pedal all the way to the bottom with RPMs likely above 4000, perhaps close to 5000.

Everyday without fail? It looks like you are a lot wilder than me when it comes to doing hard acceleration.
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All the way to 5500 RPM. And aggressive downshifting using manual mode.

When I see the roads are empty, I just give it an "Italian tune-up". When traffic is there, I drive modestly, sometimes even with cruise control only.
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post Aug 13 2015, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 13 2015, 02:24 PM)
An update. I sent my car for servicing this morning and lodged a complaint on the transmission giving a weird and loud sound. Upon inspection, it was found that the entire gearbox needs to be replaced with a new one. I asked the service guy who checked my car on the possible causes of the damaged gearbox and he did not have a definitive answer. I guess it is a case of a defective or faulty gearbox.

I need to leave the car at the service centre for about 1 week and no replacement car is available at the moment. The spare part (gearbox) is currently not available at the service centre. They will need to submit a report before the gearbox is delivered to the service centre to have it fixed on the car and tested.

Idunnolol - despite your parents driving the car gently the gearbox still needed to be replaced at 17,000km,  it looks like driving style and pattern (as in hard driving/acceleration) may not be the primary factor in contributing to the damaged gearbox. It may be more to the quality of the gearbox that has affected the earlier batches of the car. Not too sure if the later Preve models year 2014 upwards with the improved gearbox are affected.
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Wow, good that they manage to find the problem.

So far I have seen many of the gearbox failed due to the pulley being damaged. Last time I used to think that the clutch would give up first but apparently not.
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post Aug 13 2015, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 13 2015, 04:41 PM)
I am not referring to the normal CVT sound during acceleration which is already loud in nature. That is the inherent characteristic of the Preve's CVT, the low-frequency whining sound from the transmission when the car is accelerating. The sound is normal for a car that does not have any problem.

The loud and weird noise is a separate sound, an extraneous (additional) sound from the transmission which sounded REALLY LOUD and audible. It sounds like "Wooo wooo wooo" when you step on the pedal. The sound will last for about 4-5 seconds, then it will eventually disappear by itself, back to normal.

I tried to find a video on Youtube that may show the sound but cannot find any. Instead, I found a more serious video which shows a more serious problem :-


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That's my classmate's car.

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 13 2015, 04:46 PM)
Yes, it is good that they actually acknowledged that the gearbox of my car is broken. I am expecting that they cannot find any issue with the CVT of the car as I didn't think about the loud and weird noise from the transmission as something that is too serious since the noise comes up intermittently, not every time. I can still drive the car as normal even though the sound comes up. I only knew that the faulty gearbox is a serious case when my request to drive my car back home is rejected due to safety reasons. I have to leave my car at the service centre even though it will take some time for the new gearbox to arrive at the service centre, after a report was made, which I understand will take several days.

Where have you seen the failed gearboxes due to pulley being damaged? At the service centre? Is it the Preve Turbo?
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I seen it on Prevec Facebook pages sometimes. Usually the CFE ones will fail sooner because of the torque it stresses onto the gearbox.
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post Aug 14 2015, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Aug 13 2015, 07:04 PM)
It appears that your classmate's car has major damage in the engine, not the transmission. Are there many cases of the Turbo engine getting into this state? Is this an isolated case, or there are other cases of this engine malfunction?

Yikes, I am getting less confident on the car after seeing all these videos on Youtube. There are several more videos from different Preve Turbo owners, probably a lot more who don't post videos (like me).
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No, the damage was purely transmission. Proton replaced it and the car was fine all the way until he sold it off.
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post Aug 17 2015, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(orien2v2 @ Aug 16 2015, 10:55 PM)
Just got my mine last week, the Premium CVT model. I've a few things I noticed. By the way, not an auto-genius here so sorry if I'm using terms that are not very specific!

1. It takes some time for the car to accelerate when stopped, either uphill or flat. But I think I got the answer after reading here about the clutch needing some time to close.

2. My car drops down slightly when stopped on a slope (which I never experienced in my Saga FL, but I think it's answered here as well so ignore this.

3. My car seems to throttle when I'm going down a steep downhill slope?? I'm not stepping the throttle and lightly stepping on the brake. I experience this everyday on a certain slope that I've to pass when leaving for work, not on other slopes.

4. My window is kind of dark. I'm not sure if it's even legal but that's what I got from Proton. I know Premium variant comes with a tint based on what I see on the brochure, but I don't see other cars as dark as mine, and I can't find other Premium variants on the road to compare, only Executive variants. Can anyone with this variant snap their window so I can compare? It's really worrying that I always checked Waze to avoid roadblocks. And yes I do have that cert from Proton but still...

5. There's a weird light tapping noise from somewhere in the back that just came up three days ago, and only when I'm driving so I can't make out where it's coming from as I need to focus on driving.

BTW, any recommendations for seat covers that I can get online? And will it affect the side airbags inside the seat itself? Sorry if it's all too newbie-ish~
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All #1, 2 and 3 are normal.

1 and 2: Purely related to clutch
3: Engine braking on Preve is noticeable as the Toyota's. I know some recent Proton cars like Persona doesn't have this engine braking too, although it is nothing new.
4: Exec variant has no tint if not mistaken
5. Mine had that sound. It is from the boot. Mine resolved by separating two pieces of metal from another panel. Can be resolved, as summary.
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post Aug 17 2015, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Raymond T. @ Aug 16 2015, 04:14 PM)
Anyone know what's the issue if the car slow acceleration engine will cut off have to restart the engine.
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You may find clutch adaptation procedure helpful. If car is new, it might happen as the TCU has not fully learned.

QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Aug 17 2015, 04:54 PM)
I think I got "cheated", as my premium spec does not come with EcoTint film, just normal safety film.
So as a reminder for future buyer, ask your SA and secure the EcoTint film when purchasing premium spec.
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I don't see how your tint can be cheated away. Vendor installation is part of production line, not something promised by salesman.
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post Aug 21 2015, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Aug 21 2015, 06:19 AM)
It will be good if that is the case.
If my Preve Premium has EcoTint installed, I should have EcoTint warranty card, but I do not have that.

Also after I got my car, my SA offer me if I want to add an extra tint on top of the current tint I have. With this offer it sounds like the current tint is only one layer.
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I also get an 'offer' to use RM300 voucher for extra tint. I just ditched the voucher away and chosen clarity.

With new JPJ law in place, tints can get quite dark and is still legal.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 20 2015, 10:39 AM)
anyone trying the new petronas ron97 euro 4? Does preve need tweaking to fully utilize the euro4 petrol?
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There is nothing to tweak. If you have Racechip, then you just set to more aggressive mode.
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post Aug 22 2015, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(lOrDjAbU @ Aug 22 2015, 10:25 PM)
I think I can afford the CFE version but I'm afraid that I have to pay a lot for maintenance since there are lots of things that can become faulty like for example the push start button. I read from the Internet that CFE tends to be more problematic and might need to stay at SC for extended period of time.
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Hardly heard of push start button issue.

My CFE doesn't need any repairing. It was a peaceful ownership for almost 2 years already.
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post Aug 23 2015, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(lOrDjAbU @ Aug 23 2015, 12:22 AM)
I just confirmed back with the seller that I want to stick with my original choice which is CFE. was having doubts today after reading reviews from the Internet. after thinking for hours I decided to choose CFE because of all the safety features.
anyway what about the fuel consumption of your preve? CFE right?
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My signature shows my fuel consumption for my Preve CFE. 8.5L/100KM average. The range can vary greatly depends on style of driving.

QUOTE(lOrDjAbU @ Aug 23 2015, 09:39 AM)
hmm I just saw latest brochure of preve. looks like all the safety features are available in the non CFE as well. God damn. as such, there is no reason left for me to buy CFE. I don't need that turbo engine, I don't know how to use paddle shifters, push start button will only give inconvenience especially since it can become faulty, I can just turn on the headlamp manually, can use phone as GPS, can change air conditioner manually, can turn wiper manually, and can apply tinted windows at workshop. I don't think all that warrants the extra 10 K.

I myself am a very careful driver, no reckless driving (will definitely not reach >120 KMph, no potong memotong except if there are much slower car in front of me which is drived by uncle or aunty), and i will only use the car for city drive (95%).

my logic was: why pay more for things that I won't use regularly.
somemore, can save on maintenance cost as well since the parts for non CFE kind of cheaper. let's not forget that there are more electronic thingies in CFE that can become faulty.

please counter my arguments guys. thanks
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Yeah if you are very sure of what you need (and what you don't), then you are better of making your own choice.
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Aug 23 2015, 12:31 PM)
Which parts are you referring to? The only major differences are only the gearbox and engine. These do not need regular maintenance and Proton is now offering 7 years across their whole range. Other parts are totally the same, CFE or non CFE.

The only thing to be sure is to test drive both cars many times smile.gif
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There are slightly higher maintenance. Stock spark plug is iridium for CFE, normal copper for IAFM.

Although one can use Mach 5 mineral oil for CFE too, but to safeguard against turbo coking, full synthetics are recommended.

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