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post Jul 9 2015, 04:52 PM

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Away from crusades conflict, this historical manga is good read!

It is during the era when china is about to be united as a country under shih huang di

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post Jul 9 2015, 04:54 PM

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hari hari change history till sendiri slightly able to feel better
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QUOTE(sedakabe @ Jul 9 2015, 04:54 PM)
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Anyway the Real History of Crusade started by the preaching of Pope Urban II. It is a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. The Moslems started this aggression and the Crusade was the reaction.

It DIDN'T start at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge as propagated by that Alien guy so as to give false indication that the crusade happens because of western kings were fighting among themselves.

I don't like lies neither liars propaganda. smile.gif

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 9 2015, 05:18 PM
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post Jul 9 2015, 05:00 PM

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Final words before balik. Anyone wants to learn more about the crusades and the Arab invasion before that and the conflicts today should also look at the wider picture as all these are just a series of conflict between the east and the west which started way back in antiquity. The earliest existing sources mentions of the Persian invasion of Greece which then continued with Alexander's conquest of Persia and the east before the Romans took over. Then the Arabs came and retook back the eastern lands and bring the way back to Europe before the era of the crusades which then came the reconquista and the age of colonialism until world war 2 when Japan started their Asia for Asians campaign with the idea to take back Asia from the western colonialist.

The conflicts still does not end until today.

Good day.

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post Jul 9 2015, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(hammer2014 @ Jul 9 2015, 03:31 PM)
Nope. The portugese didn't destroy Yokohama in Japan for example. The Japanese confined them to that port and allowed trade. The portugese then traded and set up their churches.

Same with China and Macau.
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as Craig Lockard wrote "..crusade against Muslims (is) designed to break the Islamic control over the East-West maritime trade"

when portugal conquered melaka, they announced to drive out "the moors (muslims) from the country". the chinese and japanese are not the target here. after all trade in japan and china doesn't hold the promise of that "Cairo and Mecca will be entirely ruined".

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post Jul 9 2015, 05:38 PM

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CRUSADE doh.gif not cross, u check the both postings, i cannot find it shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:40 PM)
Chi Rho not a cross ?  hmm.gif

The Chi Rho (/ˈkaɪ ˈro�/) is one of the earliest forms of christogram, and is used by some Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two (capital) letters chi and rho (ΧΡ) of the Greek word "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ" = Christ in such a way to produce the monogram. Although not technically a Christian cross, the Chi-Rho invokes the crucifixion of Jesus, as well as symbolising his status as the Christ.
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post Jul 9 2015, 05:43 PM

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I jus wanna know when was the word 'CRUSADE' first used? no need go round the world expedition doh.gif

crusade
noun. 1. Perang Salib
http://kamus.flairwork.com/index.php?word=...ary+=dictionary
English - Malay Dictionary

Selamat Berbuka and u must be tired. later after makan, then u got more kuasa to wiki search cool2.gif

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 05:00 PM)
Final words before balik. Anyone wants to learn more about the crusades and the Arab invasion before that and the conflicts today should also look at the wider picture as all these are just a series of conflict between the east and the west which started way back in antiquity. The earliest existing sources mentions of the Persian invasion of Greece which then continued with Alexander's conquest of Persia and the east before the Romans took over. Then the Arabs came and retook back the eastern lands and bring the way back to Europe before the era of the crusades which then came the reconquista and the age of colonialism until world war 2 when Japan started their Asia for Asians campaign with the idea to take back Asia from the western colonialist.

The conflicts still does not end until today.

Good day.

Selamat berbuka.
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This post has been edited by learn2earn8: Jul 9 2015, 06:02 PM
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they all exhibit the same behaviour when I jus want 1answer/1jawapan, the future of msia is so bright and sunni laugh.gif

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 04:45 PM)
Yo learn2earn8

Just ignore that aliens... guy la, he's trying too hard.

The guy got crusadephobia, simply tembak one defining crusade as he sees fit.

World History already been established. He can propagate as much as he wants, we just enjoy the show only.
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post Jul 9 2015, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 05:00 PM)
Final words before balik. Anyone wants to learn more about the crusades and the Arab invasion before that and the conflicts today should also look at the wider picture as all these are just a series of conflict between the east and the west which started way back in antiquity. The earliest existing sources mentions of the Persian invasion of Greece which then continued with Alexander's conquest of Persia and the east before the Romans took over. Then the Arabs came and retook back the eastern lands and bring the way back to Europe before the era of the crusades which then came the reconquista and the age of colonialism until world war 2 when Japan started their Asia for Asians campaign with the idea to take back Asia from the western colonialist.

The conflicts still does not end until today.

Good day.

Selamat berbuka.
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post Jul 9 2015, 07:32 PM

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China and japan?

1. Japan is using chinese words. And then they raged and they invented their own words. But still using chinese words.
2. Japan has literally no resources.
3. China has plenty of resources.
4. Actually japanese emperor were from china. Feel free to argue and dispute.


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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 9 2015, 05:45 PM)
they all exhibit the same behaviour when I jus want 1answer/1jawapan, the future of msia is so bright and sunni  laugh.gif
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same kind of people that cook up ancient malay pyramid at bottom of Japan Sea

nothing surprise me anymore.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 05:00 PM)
Final words before balik. Anyone wants to learn more about the crusades and the Arab invasion before that and the conflicts today should also look at the wider picture as all these are just a series of conflict between the east and the west which started way back in antiquity. The earliest existing sources mentions of the Persian invasion of Greece which then continued with Alexander's conquest of Persia and the east before the Romans took over. Then the Arabs came and retook back the eastern lands and bring the way back to Europe before the era of the crusades which then came the reconquista and the age of colonialism until world war 2 when Japan started their Asia for Asians campaign with the idea to take back Asia from the western colonialist.

The conflicts still does not end until today.

Good day.

Selamat berbuka.
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your credibity has just drop. theres no such thing as age of colonialism. and japan expansion is also part of colonialism
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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 9 2015, 05:38 PM)
CRUSADE  doh.gif not cross, u check the both postings, i cannot find it  shakehead.gif
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http://www.allaboutgod.com/crusades.htm

The Crusaders used the Christian cross as their symbol. They believed that the symbol of the cross made them invincible against the armies of the Muslims. The word "Crusade" came from the Latin word for “cloth cross.” Eventually, the word "crusade" was used to describe the entire journey from Europe to the Holy Land.

http://dcc.newberry.org/collections/the-cr...tural-influence

According to historian Jonathan Riley-Smith, taking up the cross was based on Christ’s statement: “Whoever doth not carry his cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14. 27). Underscoring this belief, priests encouraged participation in the Crusades by praising acts of devotion to God and invoking fear of the last judgment for failure to act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labarum

A Description of the Standard of the Cross, which the Romans now call the Labarum." "Now it was made in the following manner. A long spear, overlaid with gold, formed the figure of the cross by means of a transverse bar laid over it. On the top of the whole was fixed a wreath of gold and precious stones; and within this, the symbol of the Saviour’s name, two letters indicating the name of Christ by means of its initial characters, the letter P being intersected by X in its centre: and these letters the emperor was in the habit of wearing on his helmet at a later period. From the cross-bar of the spear was suspended a cloth, a royal piece, covered with a profuse embroidery of most brilliant precious stones; and which, being also richly interlaced with gold, presented an indescribable degree of beauty to the beholder. This banner was of a square form, and the upright staff, whose lower section was of great length, of the pious emperor and his children on its upper part, beneath the trophy of the cross, and immediately above the embroidered banner."

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/articles/...tine_ch_rho.htm

Over the periof of years however, the Labarum of Constantine slowly gave way to crucifix as the preferred symbol of Christianity on Roman coins.

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QUOTE(y3ivan @ Jul 9 2015, 07:42 PM)
your credibity has just drop. theres no such thing as age of colonialism. and japan expansion is also part of colonialism
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Typo. Age of Discovery with leads to western colonialism of the east (and Americas).


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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 9 2015, 05:43 PM)
I jus wanna know when was the word 'CRUSADE' first used? no need go round the world expedition  doh.gif
"Crusade" is a modern term, from the French croisade and Spanish cruzada. The French form of the word first appears in the L'Histoire des Croisades written by A. de Clermont and published in 1638. By 1750, the various forms of the word "crusade" had established themselves in English, French, and German. - Lock Routledge Companion p. 258

The Oxford English Dictionary records its first use in English as occurring in 1757 by William Shenstone. - Hindley Crusades pp. 2–3


The Crusades were never referred to as such by their participants. The original crusaders were known by various terms, including fideles Sancti Petri (the faithful of Saint Peter) or milites Christi (knights of Christ).Like pilgrims, each crusader swore a vow (a votus) to be fulfilled on successfully reaching Jerusalem, and they were granted a cloth cross (crux) to be sewn into their clothes. This "taking of the cross", the crux, eventually became associated with the entire journey.- American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, Houghton Mifflin Company, 2009
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QUOTE(TheReaderReads @ Jul 9 2015, 04:53 PM)
Away from crusades conflict, this historical manga is good read!

It is during the era when china is about to be united as a country under shih huang di

Kingdom

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My favorite period of the Chinese history. The 7 warring states. smile.gif
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Imagine if they totally integrated us into their empire.
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see they were faithful people taking the pilgrimage to jerusalem, minding their own business nod.gif
what happen? why did they become war mongering? wat interrupted their peaceful 'crusade' journey to Jerusalem?
why the cloth cross crux vow no longer a success hmm.gif imagine u want to go Mecca and suddenly Genghis Khan was at the gates, will u rage?
thus no Christian able to go for crusade to Jerusalem at that era. Pope Urban launch the first crusade and sent the crusaders , yeehaa!

it is important to note that the word derives from the Latin word crux ("cross"); and, as originally employed, a crusade was fundamentally driven by a Christian religious motivation
http://foreverknight.wikia.com/wiki/Crusades

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 08:38 PM)
"Crusade" is a modern term, from the French croisade and Spanish cruzada. The French form of the word first appears in the L'Histoire des Croisades written by A. de Clermont and published in 1638. By 1750, the various forms of the word "crusade" had established themselves in English, French, and German. -  Lock Routledge Companion p. 258

The Oxford English Dictionary records its first use in English as occurring in 1757 by William Shenstone. - Hindley Crusades pp. 2–3
The Crusades were never referred to as such by their participants. The original crusaders were known by various terms, including fideles Sancti Petri (the faithful of Saint Peter) or milites Christi (knights of Christ).Like pilgrims, each crusader swore a vow (a votus) to be fulfilled on successfully reaching Jerusalem, and they were granted a cloth cross (crux) to be sewn into their clothes. This "taking of the cross", the crux, eventually became associated with the entire journey.- American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, Houghton Mifflin Company, 2009
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