
MOE: Portuguese invading Melaka were Crusaders
MOE: Portuguese invading Melaka were Crusaders
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Jul 10 2015, 09:54 AM
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Jul 10 2015, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 08:30 PM) http://www.allaboutgod.com/crusades.htm The Crusaders used the Christian cross as their symbol. They believed that the symbol of the cross made them invincible against the armies of the Muslims. The word "Crusade" came from the Latin word for “cloth cross.” Eventually, the word "crusade" was used to describe the entire journey from Europe to the Holy Land. http://dcc.newberry.org/collections/the-cr...tural-influence According to historian Jonathan Riley-Smith, taking up the cross was based on Christ’s statement: “Whoever doth not carry his cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14. 27). Underscoring this belief, priests encouraged participation in the Crusades by praising acts of devotion to God and invoking fear of the last judgment for failure to act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labarum A Description of the Standard of the Cross, which the Romans now call the Labarum." "Now it was made in the following manner. A long spear, overlaid with gold, formed the figure of the cross by means of a transverse bar laid over it. On the top of the whole was fixed a wreath of gold and precious stones; and within this, the symbol of the Saviour’s name, two letters indicating the name of Christ by means of its initial characters, the letter P being intersected by X in its centre: and these letters the emperor was in the habit of wearing on his helmet at a later period. From the cross-bar of the spear was suspended a cloth, a royal piece, covered with a profuse embroidery of most brilliant precious stones; and which, being also richly interlaced with gold, presented an indescribable degree of beauty to the beholder. This banner was of a square form, and the upright staff, whose lower section was of great length, of the pious emperor and his children on its upper part, beneath the trophy of the cross, and immediately above the embroidered banner." http://www.forumancientcoins.com/articles/...tine_ch_rho.htm Over the periof of years however, the Labarum of Constantine slowly gave way to crucifix as the preferred symbol of Christianity on Roman coins. QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 08:38 PM) "Crusade" is a modern term, from the French croisade and Spanish cruzada. The French form of the word first appears in the L'Histoire des Croisades written by A. de Clermont and published in 1638. By 1750, the various forms of the word "crusade" had established themselves in English, French, and German. - Lock Routledge Companion p. 258 The thing is, you still don't know Crusade is not a Christian Doctrine.The Oxford English Dictionary records its first use in English as occurring in 1757 by William Shenstone. - Hindley Crusades pp. 2–3 The Crusades were never referred to as such by their participants. The original crusaders were known by various terms, including fideles Sancti Petri (the faithful of Saint Peter) or milites Christi (knights of Christ).Like pilgrims, each crusader swore a vow (a votus) to be fulfilled on successfully reaching Jerusalem, and they were granted a cloth cross (crux) to be sewn into their clothes. This "taking of the cross", the crux, eventually became associated with the entire journey.- American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, Houghton Mifflin Company, 2009 You won't find it in the Bible. The Fallacy you're committing (which I find it repulsive - why the way I acted against you) is because you're sending out FALSE lies about what is the crusade all about and how it started. |
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Jul 10 2015, 09:59 AM
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Lol religion
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Jul 10 2015, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2015, 09:56 AM) The thing is, you still don't know Crusade is not a Christian Doctrine. How do you know that I don't know ? Doesn't matter isn't it ? What matters is that deus le volt is a call once used by Christians as a licence to kill non-Christians, not just muslims and those that they did not kill, they'll force convert. Just like the jihad call that you're so afraid of.You won't find it in the Bible. The Fallacy you're committing (which I find it repulsive - why the way I acted against you) is because you're sending out FALSE lies about what is the crusade all about and how it started. I did not post out false information. If I'm wrong then you should check with the people who wrote the information that I have provided. The people base on their names sounds like Western/Christian names, though unlike you they can view history with clear understanding. You can insult me all you want. I do not care and of course I know that I can't find the word crusade in the bible, just like I couldn't find the word trinity in the bible (though I've found it in the Qur'an). Unlike you, I can view history as what it is. A word of advice, check your sources first unless you wish to make a fool of yourself. |
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Jul 10 2015, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 10 2015, 10:10 AM) How do you know that I don't know ? Doesn't matter isn't it ? What matters is that deus le volt is a call once used by Christians as a licence to kill non-Christians, not just muslims and those that they did not kill, they'll force convert. Just like the jihad call that you're so afraid of. It matters a lot because if you don't know, you're making the same mistake as how you wanted so much for people to disassociate ISIS with Islam, same felony you're committing now. I did not post out false information. If I'm wrong then you should check with the people who wrote the information that I have provided. The people base on their names sounds like Western/Christian names, though unlike you they can view history with clear understanding. You can insult me all you want. I do not care and of course I know that I can't find the word crusade in the bible, just like I couldn't find the word trinity in the bible (though I've found it in the Qur'an). Unlike you, I can view history as what it is. A word of advice, check your sources first unless you wish to make a fool of yourself. |
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Jul 10 2015, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2015, 10:15 AM) It matters a lot because if you don't know, you're making the same mistake as how you wanted so much for people to disassociate ISIS with Islam, same felony you're committing now. I don't care much about that because those who wanted to associate ISIS with Islam will always do that no matter what. |
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Jul 10 2015, 10:24 AM
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Jul 10 2015, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2015, 10:24 AM) So I guess with regards to this , you retaliated in kind by telling lies about Christianity. I posted information base on historical and some even Christians sites. You can check the sources. Just saying that I lied does not make you right because I can't even see your counter argument besides name calling (a Christian value ?) and taking snapshots (you're a sniper too ?) at me whenever you got the chance.I see, an eye for an eye concept. Don't take it too personally dude. Jesus surely don't like that. |
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Jul 10 2015, 10:30 AM
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If I enter this debate, I will be reported for generalization...
Better eat popcorn and work hard in office today |
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Jul 10 2015, 10:33 AM
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Jul 10 2015, 10:34 AM
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U guys lost me in this few posts...I thought we're debating about how stupid/smart of the MOE to shit this logic out of their buttholes
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Jul 10 2015, 10:35 AM
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Jul 10 2015, 10:37 AM
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Jul 10 2015, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 10 2015, 10:28 AM) I posted information base on historical and some even Christians sites. You can check the sources. Just saying that I lied does not make you right because I can't even see your counter argument besides name calling (a Christian value ?) and taking snapshots (you're a sniper too ?) at me whenever you got the chance. Most Christian sites agreed that the Crusade was wrong because it's against our doctrine and most agreed how the Crusade started.Don't take it too personally dude. Jesus surely don't like that. YOU, on the hand try very to change this history fact. Awwwwww, who's the one who's taking this personally now? |
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Jul 10 2015, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2015, 10:45 AM) Most Christian sites agreed that the Crusade was wrong because it's against our doctrine and most agreed how the Crusade started. Give source and reference then we talk.YOU, on the hand try very to change this history fact. Awwwwww, who's the one who's taking this personally now? |
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Jul 10 2015, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 10 2015, 10:51 AM) http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/m...-only/52.0.html |
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Jul 10 2015, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2015, 11:17 AM) I'm sure that site is pretty much non bias and can view history objectively.Well done. Now go outside and play and I'm sure you'll find the world outside the tempurung is much more colorful. |
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Jul 10 2015, 11:20 AM
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Jul 10 2015, 11:22 AM
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Jul 10 2015, 11:23 AM
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