Well, had it not been Portuguese defeat by china, what happened in malacca WILL happen to Japan.
Portuguese realized Japan is Portuguese last hope of any real trade
China banned trade with the Portuguese at that time, n Portugal was afraid of another defeat.

apparently happening now itself.

I'm just munching popcorn, cringing every time a half lie comes up.


ewwwwwwwww.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tunmen

Check battle of tamao also (edit)

This post has been edited by tdzheng: Jul 9 2015, 04:03 PM

Depends on how one defines a crusade.

Some people only think Crusades in term of Christian vs Islam conflict but crusades has been called against others too. The Portugal and Spanish 'crusades' were continuation of of their earlier reconquista, which is the crusades to take (some people like to call it re-take but I digest) the lands from the muslim kingdom in the Iberian peninsular. The reason I use take rather than re-take because when the Rabs conquered Spain, they were under the Visigoth who happened to be the Arian (I think modern Christians called them a heretical sect ?) primarily though some, like the Toledo converted to Roman Catholicism.

So once that part of the mission is complete, the crusades then expand outwards.

Maybe the Pope did not call it a crusade, because the spirit of the crusades has died after the fall of the last Frankish kingdom in the Levant so by calling it a crusade (like have been done by few popes before) might just fall on deaf ears.

I don't read much about that part except those involves the Sengoku Jidai. Might have read that up sometimes. Any good sources ? Online preferably lah.

Oda Nobunaga

I'm just waiting for the day when they say TAR went to London and actually fought the British white devil boxers in a martial arts tournament using silat to win our independence. Like Ip Man.

Yang tu aku dah tau.

Tapi dia tak sempat sebab kena bunuh.

fellow historians,

Since now we are touching japanese adi.

1) Why is there animosity between china and japan until to-date?

2) Who cause more trouble to each other?

Seem like these has been on-going for centuries!

This post has been edited by TheReaderReads: Jul 9 2015, 04:05 PM

That's interesting. Maybe open in RWI ? Nanti banyak sangat kaki lumba kat sini. Kena POTA nanti.

All I know is that the Japanese invasion of Korea are planned to be just the stepping stone from the conquest of China later. Of course that's my understanding reading romance and historical fictions though.

From NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/opinion/...along.html?_r=0

Japan’s rise in the late 19th century was seen as an affront by China, which had always felt entitled to the mantle of regional leadership.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Jul 9 2015, 04:12 PM

CRUSADE
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crusade
military expeditions undertaken by the Christians of Europe in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Muslims

To each their own view I guess

Yes it was a period of sengoku jidai, when Portuguese arrived to Japan, it was in the early period of Japan's civil war

The Portuguese struck gold literally, Japan was abundant of gold dust, the Portuguese called the island zipangu, literally land of gold

That was the later period, by that time Japanese warlords already started to manufacture the rifles themselves.

Portuguese rifles was very expensive and warlords could only buy hundreds.

After the reunification of Japan by Tokugawa, the defeated samurai were masterless. Combined with the fact that the Tokugawa were beginning a period of insularity and peace, it meant samurai and soldiers who depended on their martial skills were sidelined in the new peace-time economy and culture. These dishonored, defeated warriors have little choice but turn to piracy and banditry. Unscrupulous pirates often hire them to augment their raid parties and they were known as the Wokou.

The ill-feelings started ever since the Japanese and the Chinese empires first met. Both regard themselves as "the only cultured kingdom" and "everyone else are inferior barbarians". As the saying goes, "there can't be two tigers on one mountain, the sky can't have two suns" and obviously this leads to conflict.

Only the sea and sheer distance kept the Chinese from invading the Japanese islands, and logistical and political problems prevented the Japanese from successfully conquering the entire Korean peninsular as a launchpad into China.

sooner or later cristiano ronaldo is a muslim and a malay

LEL, Chinese and Japanese animosity only started in ww2 after the rape of Nanking, before that quite close actually

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade (yeah, technically it was planned to invade Egypt though)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendish_Crusade

Okay. I know I gave you wiki links but you can double check with the original resources from the link given.

In any case, as the topic the reconquista was a cruda too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

So, there's nothing wrong to consider post reconquista by the Spanish and the Portugese as the crusades too.

Total War Shogun 2 ka ?

you forgot to add the other definitions:

"2. any war carried on under papal sanction.
3. any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc."

Ahhh yes, that is y the koreans also dislike the japanese apart from what the japanese did to them during the world war 2 if not mistaken.

And the koreans may seem to have regarded the chinese as their big brother.

Yea, I use to be at RWI until I fell in love with the /k language here and trollings. Just too addictive.

Well the invasion of Korea/China was the final events that started with the invasion of Korea by Toyotomi Hideyoshi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_inva...592%E2%80%9398)


The invasions were launched by Toyotomi Hideyoshi with the intent of conquering Korea and China, which were ruled by the Joseon and Ming dynasties, respectively. Japan quickly succeeded in occupying large portions of the Korean Peninsula, but the contribution of reinforcements by the Ming Dynasty,[21] as well as the disruption of Japanese supply fleets along the western and southern coasts by the Joseon Navyforced a withdrawal of Japanese forces from Pyongyang and the northern provinces to the south, where the Japanese continued to occupy Hanseong (present-day Seoul) and the southern regions except the southwestern Jeolla province.

Turnbull, Stephen (Nov 20, 2012). The Samurai Invasion of Korea 1592-98
Perez, Louis (2013). Japan At War: An Encyclopedia. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO.