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aliesterfiend
post Jul 9 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(TheReaderReads @ Jul 9 2015, 04:22 PM)
Ahhh yes, that is y the koreans also dislike the japanese apart from what the japanese did to them during the world war 2 if not mistaken.

And the koreans may seem to have regarded the chinese as their big brother.

Yea, I use to be at RWI until I fell in love with the /k language here and trollings. Just too addictive.  brows.gif
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This is helpful just for general information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_inva...592%E2%80%9398)

Maybe this as a retaliation for the 'failed' Mongol invasion of Japan ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan

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post Jul 9 2015, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(tdzheng @ Jul 9 2015, 04:17 PM)
LEL, Chinese and Japanese animosity only started in ww2 after the rape of Nanking, before that quite close actually
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but whenever I watch those HK/China movies especially those that relates with japan, can see that some character hates japanese.

I was actually ask by my colleagues last 2 years why china relationship with japan not good. Was it china who created trouble for the japanese?

I had to go online to search quick sources. And I found wiki for quick history course

Wiki source of sino-japanese relations since early centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Si...anese_relations
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:27 PM

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fuuuhh 15 pages.

got any mention where in melaka the holy grail is buried?
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(this issit! @ Jul 9 2015, 04:27 PM)
fuuuhh 15 pages.

got any mention where in melaka the holy grail is buried?
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If you read the book, the who pages of the book and not just the front cover you'll find the holy grail.

If not, then no.

The grail will only appear to the worthy.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:23 PM)
Well the invasion of Korea/China was the final events that started with the invasion of Korea by Toyotomi Hideyoshi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_inva...592%E2%80%9398)
The invasions were launched by Toyotomi Hideyoshi with the intent of conquering Korea and China, which were ruled by the Joseon and Ming dynasties, respectively. Japan quickly succeeded in occupying large portions of the Korean Peninsula, but the contribution of reinforcements by the Ming Dynasty,[21] as well as the disruption of Japanese supply fleets along the western and southern coasts by the Joseon Navyforced a withdrawal of Japanese forces from Pyongyang and the northern provinces to the south, where the Japanese continued to occupy Hanseong (present-day Seoul) and the southern regions except the southwestern Jeolla province.

Turnbull, Stephen (Nov 20, 2012). The Samurai Invasion of Korea 1592-98
Perez, Louis (2013). Japan At War: An Encyclopedia. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO.
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Yes, but not much animosity, not until WW2, even chiang Kai shek used to have friendly relations before ww2.

Toyotomi's influence pretty much crumbled after that defeat, after he died, Tokugawa took over.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:30 PM

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First crusade yr 1096–1099
Aragonese yr 1284 and 1285
Albigensian yr 1209–1229
Fourth_Crusade yr 1202–1204
Northern yr 1193
Livonian yr 1207
Prussian yr 1230
Wendish yr 1147
Reconquista period of approximately 781 years in the history of the Iberian Peninsula, after the Islamic conquest in 711 to the fall of Granada

Traditionally, historians mark the beginning of the Reconquista with the Battle of Covadonga (718 or 722), in which a small army, led by the nobleman Pelagius, defeated an Umayyad army in the mountains of northern Iberia hmm.gif now who started the fight first?

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:19 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade (yeah, technically it was planned to invade Egypt though)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendish_Crusade

Okay. I know I gave you wiki links but you can double check with the original resources from the link given.

In any case, as the topic the reconquista was a cruda too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

So, there's nothing wrong to consider post reconquista by the Spanish and the Portugese as the crusades too.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Kertajayawardhana @ Jul 9 2015, 04:25 PM)
Back then Catholics are the one that matched muslims in term of fanaticism and zealotry.
Catholic Church was hostile not only to Muslims, but also to other Christians, such as Protestants and Orthodox
But the Catholic Church had been largely "tamed" in the 1960s through the Second Vatican Council.
If you read the Vatican documents about non-Catholic religions before Second Vatican Council, it's all about vulgar condemnation to other religions and ideologies such as secularism and liberalism.
After 1960s they changed the language to be more diplomatic, etc.

Y'all should cukur that the Catholics is now "tame". If not, the one fighting the wars in the middle east is not secular governments, but theocratic catholic monarchs instead....
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I think they've already tamed by the time the church was banned in France during the French revolution. Even when Napoleon invited back the church, they don't have the same status they were once during the French Monarchy. Once Enlightenment is in full force then the church practically lost whatever temporal power they have earlier.
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QUOTE(TheReaderReads @ Jul 9 2015, 04:04 PM)
fellow historians,

Since now we are touching japanese adi.

1) Why is there animosity between china and japan until to-date?

2) Who cause more trouble to each other?

Seem like these has been on-going for centuries!
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Jap still worship ancestor who do war crime

And rape of nanking never exist


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post Jul 9 2015, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:24 PM)
This is helpful just for general information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_inva...592%E2%80%9398)
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interesting... will scrutinize it after work!
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:32 PM)
I think they've already tamed by the time the church was banned in France during the French revolution. Even when Napoleon invited back the church, they don't have the same status they were once during the French Monarchy. Once Enlightenment is in full force then the church practically lost whatever temporal power they have earlier.
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Separate church from states, they learn from America
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 9 2015, 04:30 PM)
First crusade yr 1096–1099
Aragonese yr 1284 and 1285
Albigensian yr 1209–1229
Fourth_Crusade yr 1202–1204
Northern yr 1193
Livonian yr 1207
Prussian yr 1230
Wendish yr 1147
Reconquista period of approximately 781 years in the history of the Iberian Peninsula, after the Islamic conquest in 711 to the fall of Granada

Traditionally, historians mark the beginning of the Reconquista with the Battle of Covadonga (718 or 722), in which a small army, led by the nobleman Pelagius, defeated an Umayyad army in the mountains of northern Iberia  hmm.gif now who started the fight first?
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Started what ? smile.gif

Anyway who started what is up to historians to debate.

However if the crusade can be seen literally as 'taken up the cross' then maybe we can say the battle of the milvian bridge as the first crusade (even though it was chi ro rather than a cross as we know).

Can wink.gif

p/s: you probably already know but I just post the link for the sake of those who never heard of ti and are interested to know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:29 PM)
The grail will only appear to the worthy.
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:39 PM

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no CRUSADE word sighted at milvian hmm.gif

QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:36 PM)
Started what ?  smile.gif

Anyway who started what is up to historians to debate.

However if the crusade can be seen literally as 'taken up the cross' then maybe we can say the battle of the milvian bridge as the first crusade (even though it was chi ro rather than a cross as we know).

Can  wink.gif

p/s: you probably already know but I just post the link for the sake of those who never heard of ti and are interested to know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 9 2015, 04:39 PM)
no CRUSADE word sighted at milvian  hmm.gif
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Chi Rho not a cross ? hmm.gif

The Chi Rho (/ˈkaɪ ˈroŠ/) is one of the earliest forms of christogram, and is used by some Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two (capital) letters chi and rho (ΧΡ) of the Greek word "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ" = Christ in such a way to produce the monogram. Although not technically a Christian cross, the Chi-Rho invokes the crucifixion of Jesus, as well as symbolising his status as the Christ.

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 9 2015, 04:29 PM)
If you read the book, the who pages of the book and not just the front cover you'll find the holy grail.

If not, then no.

The grail will only appear to the worthy.
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itu bukan budaya kita
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:41 PM

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lol. hahahaha

Sorry to say but bodo jugak orang ni trying to define the crusade.

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QUOTE(this issit! @ Jul 9 2015, 04:41 PM)
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itu bukan budaya kita
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Budaya kita berlainan. smile.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:44 PM

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THis is the kind of Education our kids will be getting in school?

No wonder local msia graduate earning shit....
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post Jul 9 2015, 04:45 PM

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Yo learn2earn8

Just ignore that aliens... guy la, he's trying too hard.

The guy got crusadephobia, simply tembak one defining crusade as he sees fit.

World History already been established. He can propagate as much as he wants, we just enjoy the show only.

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