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post Nov 10 2017, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(exsakai @ Nov 10 2017, 05:29 PM)
Well because you talk so highly about nsf and consistently repeating nsf, definitely you are the right person to ask hahah.

Felt cheated? Indeed by this forum. As mentioned, i bought my first filter by reading through a few pages and decided to get something with nsf. When i survey for a new filter to replace my 3M only i notice those who keep repeating NSF are actually sellers of 3m or amway. So, ofcoz i felt cheated as i thought those comments were from genuine users like me and not sellers pretending to be user.

Must look for both specification of the filter and international certifications and not just solely NSF. I suggest stop giving forumers the wrong info or else many would end up wasting money buying a second filter.
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Please define wrong information. I am using all water filter with nsf certification and have no problem using more than 1 year. Is that wrong information? While you are not happy with 3M and its NSF due to your own experience allow you to claim nsf are wrong information while i am a satisfied 3M and Amway user are not ok to claim the genuien of NSF?

FYI i dont sell, I am a user not seller. There are more 3m and amway users here if you think all are seller, take your time read the history and contact some of the users.

If you think NSF is wrong and so confident about it, can always sue or report to the authority. Just like in NZ two school girls proof GSK giving false information of ribenna and GSK got fined

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post Nov 10 2017, 06:12 PM

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Is it really on demand for certification?
Aquaphor do have NSF certification for DWM 101 (NSF 58)
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listing...ModlStd=ModlStd

Why stop at RO certification only? hmm.gif
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post Nov 10 2017, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(oyching88 @ Nov 10 2017, 06:12 PM)
Is it really on demand for certification?
Aquaphor do have NSF certification for DWM 101 (NSF 58)
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listing...ModlStd=ModlStd

Why stop at RO certification only?  hmm.gif
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Maybe because Aquaphor is europe only... oh wait why europe only also go for NSF?
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QUOTE(exsakai @ Nov 10 2017, 05:29 PM)
Well because you talk so highly about nsf and consistently repeating nsf, definitely you are the right person to ask hahah.

Felt cheated? Indeed by this forum. As mentioned, i bought my first filter by reading through a few pages and decided to get something with nsf. When i survey for a new filter to replace my 3M only i notice those who keep repeating NSF are actually sellers of 3m or amway. So, ofcoz i felt cheated as i thought those comments were from genuine users like me and not sellers pretending to be user.

Must look for both specification of the filter and international certifications and not just solely NSF. I suggest stop giving forumers the wrong info or else many would end up wasting money buying a second filter.
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Well, is there any wrong info that given buy forumer that you think is unreasonable, can you please clarify out? Seriously, there is no right or wrong for ppl to share things, if there is really any wrong info that given , you may say it out. No matter user or seller, they all just think to share about the pros and cons about the filter to others.

As customer need to clearly differentiate that which one is valuable and which one is just only paper talk. Every people have their right to choose their products based on their requirements, needed and aso budget no matter eSpring, Aquaphor or other. Just like some people willing to buy BMW and some others willing to buy Myvi, both also just car but with different spec and also technologys, it just depends on which one customer prefer, that so easy.
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post Nov 10 2017, 06:26 PM

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Always remember, all test are conduct according to the certificate test condition, this mean all water going into filter are made to have same condition before going all the test filter, and output are measure.

When owner have different condition incoming water, the mileage will be different.

Like a car, recommendation STANDARD service interval in many new car are 15,000km - 20,00km in the service menu and also on the odometer. While driving at different condition the sensor will adjust itself and notify the driver service internal base on the oil condition. Is that cheating?

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post Nov 10 2017, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Nov 10 2017, 10:05 AM)
as explained getting it is too costly and not feasible for Aquaphor which is European country not in USA. With LGA and huge demand in european countries, they do not need NSF.

So why other brands no LGA ? why no Sirim? why no WQA? impossible for you to register all unless demanded by projects or majority customers.

Facts/figures and also customer feedback from exsakai has already proven one point, with NSF does not make u a more superior filter. Even cheap and basic filters can pass NSF as stated. If if the requirements are high, basic filters shouldnt pass. The fact that even simple carbon block can pass, how can customers just rely on NSF. Every1 would just buy the cheapest filter with NSF, why manufacturers bother to produce better filters

Like an accountant already have CPA, do u think he wanna go take MIA & ACCA? NO unless required by company to get a high pay job.
FYI i have many customers switching from products with NSF to AQUAPHOR with LGA cert. Such as exsakai and Theused85, both commented they are happier after switching.
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In this case Aquaphor have both CPA & ACCA for DWM 101 confused.gif
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QUOTE(exsakai @ Nov 10 2017, 10:59 PM)
All i wanted to share my experience having nsf does not mean it is more superior, still need to look at the product spec and other info to compare. Photos and info already shared, for those who r looking for filters, do read my posting as reference.

However, you people never reply to my question, deviate it to other unrelated info and once again  keep repeating nsf. That is how forumers like me got confused thinking that nsf is a must and with it means the filter is of superior quality

Question asked, if nsf is so great and hard to obtain, why a basic mini size carbon block can pass nsf? Then give me links with many pages and unrelated stuff about nsf again, did not clearly explain. Then now cucuk aquaphor pulak, so not professional.
1) Oyching88 & cheer - amway seller
2) weikee pro NSF duno seller or buyer
3) zheilwane - aquaphor seller

So mainly these few people replying only. I didnt say NSF is no good, i emphasize that do not blindly trust it. Since there are no real users like me disccusing here, pointless for me to comment further as it seems like i am only talking to sellers here who are promoting their products with NSF.

End of my story, wasted my effort and time. Now only notice those replying are sellers.
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I have 3 eSpring in my house, 1 at hometown, 1 at current living place, 1 at another house. Haven't count siblings, friends & families yet.
So you are not seller then why bother so mad? Calm down bro...
Anything that i posted are with relevant supporting documents, like that also kena cucuk without reason blink.gif
I do mention not to rely solely on certifications, you have to know about the technology behind the filter.
People who bought with me in here also do their own research.
You are the one who keep promoting Aquaphor and condemning other brands.
Just because you use 3M and having "CLOGGING" issue doesn't mean all 3M sucks, don't tar others with the same brush.
As mentioned before, NSF certification is on quality & safety of water, NSF certified don't guarantee "CLOGGING" free and is irrelevant to any certification standard.
NSF is a guideline for consumers to buy products, just like sirim, they pass all test and is safe to use by following the manual instructions.

This post has been edited by oyching88: Nov 10 2017, 11:28 PM
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post Nov 11 2017, 10:56 AM

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Actually as a TS, I do read all posts you guys posting. It just that I don't comments much. This is forum for other people sharing their feedback or thought so that we can discuss more about it where there some clueless people don't know where to start from.

I'm currently using eSpring and I do support other people get or Aquahor or 3M or Culligan brand whichever their budget or stock availability or other reason they wish too. I even support people get Coway or Cuckcoo brand for their office need due to the capable of Hot/Cold water capable.

Relax peeps. Everyone have their own opinion. My2cent.
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post Nov 11 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(oyching88 @ Nov 10 2017, 06:26 PM)
In this case Aquaphor have both CPA & ACCA for DWM 101 confused.gif
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Aquaphor applied NSF for DWM101 (RO system) because this is their main selling product in USA. To penetrate US market and due to high demand for NSF, that is why they invested to get NSF there. Malaysia alone figure is too low. If i wan to sell something with NSF just to satisfy the need for nsf, i could sell DWM101 but did i ?. This shows that I did not blindly choose my product smile.gif, i do my own studying and choose what i think is best for my customers.

If you wan NSF i can sell DWM101 for RM 2k+, still much cheaper than espring, definitely cleaner than amway water since it is RO system. I could just save all the trouble and sell DWM101 to counter amway sellers here. Why would i waste so much time replying and explaining.

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post Nov 11 2017, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(exsakai @ Nov 10 2017, 10:59 PM)
All i wanted to share my experience having nsf does not mean it is more superior, still need to look at the product spec and other info to compare. Photos and info already shared, for those who r looking for filters, do read my posting as reference.

However, you people never reply to my question, deviate it to other unrelated info and once again  keep repeating nsf. That is how forumers like me got confused thinking that nsf is a must and with it means the filter is of superior quality

Question asked, if nsf is so great and hard to obtain, why a basic mini size carbon block can pass nsf? Then give me links with many pages and unrelated stuff about nsf again, did not clearly explain. Then now cucuk aquaphor pulak, so not professional.
1) Oyching88 & cheer - amway seller
2) weikee pro NSF duno seller or buyer
3) zheilwane - aquaphor seller

So mainly these few people replying only. I didnt say NSF is no good, i emphasize that do not blindly trust it. Since there are no real users like me disccusing here, pointless for me to comment further as it seems like i am only talking to sellers here who are promoting their products with NSF.

End of my story, wasted my effort and time. Now only notice those replying are sellers.
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Relax bro, over already. I can see your point here. Thanks for your effort in sharing. Yup, you are right, they are sellers like me. That is why i always suggest people to check on history post, then u can guess they are seller or genuine forumers.

Same here, topic closed. Unless real people trying to research on water filters and wanna ask questions, do post and lets learn together. Pointless to debate between sellers.

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Nov 11 2017, 11:31 AM)
Aquaphor applied NSF for DWM101 (RO system) because this is their main selling product in USA.  To penetrate US market and due to high demand for NSF, that is why they invested to get NSF there. Malaysia alone figure is too low. If i wan to sell something with NSF just to satisfy the need for nsf, i could sell DWM101 but did i ?. This shows that I did not blindly choose my product smile.gif, i do my own studying and choose what i think is best for my customers.

If you wan NSF i can sell DWM101 for RM 2k+, still much cheaper than espring, definitely cleaner than amway water since it is RO system. I could just save all the trouble and sell DWM101 to counter amway sellers here. Why would i waste so much time replying and explaining.
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Yet not NSF 53 certified.
OK la, all also you say, sure got your own reason.
No need to condemn other brands or sellers to make your product so superior.
Don't tell me NSF 53 more expensive, no demand so no need for that certification laugh.gif
Does RO really removes everything? Why Coway didn't get NSF 53? They have 42, 58, 401 and so on.
eSpring don't even claim to remove 100% contaminants, yet DWM 101 can simply put 100%
http://aquaphor.eu/DWM101S-Reverse-Osmosis...-Mineralisation


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QUOTE(oyching88 @ Nov 11 2017, 12:13 PM)
Yet not NSF 53 certified.
OK la, all also you say, sure got your own reason.
No need to condemn other brands or sellers to make your product so superior.
Don't tell me NSF 53 more expensive, no demand so no need for that certification laugh.gif
Does RO really removes everything? Why Coway didn't get NSF 53? They have 42, 58, 401 and so on.
eSpring don't even claim to remove 100% contaminants, yet DWM 101 can simply put 100%
http://aquaphor.eu/DWM101S-Reverse-Osmosis...-Mineralisation
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No way u can argue saying RO water is not cleaner than a Carbon Block + UV light, this is not about AQUAPHOR DWM101 VS ESPRING, this is in general CARBON BLOCK CANNOT WIN RO in terms of water purity. RO can filter Fluoride which normal carbon block cant. U know it well since u r a seller. WHY STILL USE NSF n talk rubbish. U can fool and scare end users but u cant fool users who GOOGLE and read for info.

In my reply i did not say RO filter everything but u DID. RO filters almost everything but not everything, u know it, that is why u mentioned everything not me. With 0.0001 micron RO can even remove minerals, u dare use NSF to say Espring is cleaner? Unless it is not RO, if it is RO no way u can talk it out saying EPSRING IS CLEANER. u can only say EPSRING is healthier water as it contains mineral and not CLEANER. That is the reason i don wanna sell RO even it has NSF. Knowing your stuff and yet trying to deceive people is SO WRONG.


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QUOTE(exsakai @ Nov 10 2017, 10:59 PM)
All i wanted to share my experience having nsf does not mean it is more superior, still need to look at the product spec and other info to compare. Photos and info already shared, for those who r looking for filters, do read my posting as reference.

However, you people never reply to my question, deviate it to other unrelated info and once again  keep repeating nsf. That is how forumers like me got confused thinking that nsf is a must and with it means the filter is of superior quality

Question asked, if nsf is so great and hard to obtain, why a basic mini size carbon block can pass nsf? Then give me links with many pages and unrelated stuff about nsf again, did not clearly explain. Then now cucuk aquaphor pulak, so not professional.
1) Oyching88 & cheer - amway seller
2) weikee pro NSF duno seller or buyer
3) zheilwane - aquaphor seller

So mainly these few people replying only. I didnt say NSF is no good, i emphasize that do not blindly trust it. Since there are no real users like me disccusing here, pointless for me to comment further as it seems like i am only talking to sellers here who are promoting their products with NSF.

End of my story, wasted my effort and time. Now only notice those replying are sellers.
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Everyone have their right to give opinion no matter sellers or users, but i just see you keep give bad comment for 3M just because your clogging problem. Just because mayb you no do more research on your water condition and the filter. And also which point did you see that people keep cucuk Aquaphor? Please mention it out else kindly pls don't talk non sense, it just show more unprofessional even as a user. Please take a balance point here.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Nov 11 2017, 10:56 AM)
Actually as a TS, I do read all posts you guys posting. It just that I don't comments much. This is forum for other people sharing their feedback or thought so that we can discuss more about it where there some clueless people don't know where to start from.

I'm currently using eSpring and I do support other people get or Aquahor or 3M or Culligan brand whichever their budget or stock availability or other reason they wish too. I even support people get Coway or Cuckcoo brand for their office need due to the capable of Hot/Cold water capable.

Relax peeps. Everyone have their own opinion. My2cent.
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I totally agree with you. thumbup.gif Everyone have their right to choose the filter they prefer and have their opinion, no point for some people just keep promoting some brand and condemning other brands.

Just like you said, some ppl prefer mineral water with their budget then will go for eSpring, some people prefer hot /cold water then go for coway or cuckoo. Some people with kidney problem aso willing go for RO water, there is no right or wrong, just choose based on own condition and needed. Those certificate is a prove for the filter to prove their function and water condition, user also need to do some research even though NSF certificate or WQA certificate. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Nov 11 2017, 02:16 PM)
No way u can argue saying RO water is not cleaner than a Carbon Block + UV light, this is not about AQUAPHOR DWM101 VS ESPRING, this is in general CARBON BLOCK CANNOT WIN RO in terms of water purity. RO can filter Fluoride which normal carbon block cant.  U know it well since u r a seller. WHY STILL USE NSF n talk rubbish. U can fool and scare end users but u cant fool users who GOOGLE and read for info.

In my reply i did not say RO filter everything but u DID. RO filters almost everything but not everything, u know it, that is why u mentioned everything not me. With 0.0001 micron RO can even remove minerals, u dare use NSF to say Espring is cleaner? Unless it is not RO, if it is RO no way u can talk it out saying EPSRING IS CLEANER. u can only say EPSRING is healthier water as it contains mineral and not CLEANER. That is the reason i don wanna sell RO even it has NSF. Knowing your stuff and yet trying to deceive people is SO WRONG.
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Yet not NSF 53 certified.
OK la, all also you say, sure got your own reason.
No need to condemn other brands or sellers to make your product so superior.
Don't tell me NSF 53 more expensive, no demand so no need for that certification laugh.gif
Does RO really removes everything? Why Coway didn't get NSF 53? They have 42, 58, 401 and so on.
eSpring don't even claim to remove 100% contaminants, yet DWM 101 can simply put 100%
http://aquaphor.eu/DWM101S-Reverse-Osmosis...-Mineralisation


Come, tell me which word/alphabet i mention says carbon + UV is cleaner than RO???
My question is about why getting NSF 58 but not NSF 53 for DWM 101??

Why say me talk rubbish? Your EQ so low to use so low standard words.
Come on la, you have so many supporter here, no one is going get your customer to change to other brand, don't worry.

Here is for consumer to have more information, not hard selling.
Last reply for this since you can't answer, stop the debate and cool down bro.
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My opinion , dont shoot me, haha

NSF CERTIFIED 42, 53, 55, 401,'58..etc
I think they have different evaluations for different function of water filter. Not one rule fit all.

So I.believe 53, 55 .are for those water filters.not using reverse omosis

58 is just for reverse osmosis type water filter. Since they remove almost everything from water.

So.everyone is right, just different function .
http://www.nsf.org/consumer-resources/what...reatment-system

Btw, I using and.selling espring also😊
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3M Having roadshow in 1U (actually since Friday until today), those not happy go there complain, those want to find out more go there too. There promotion for complete system.

PS, i am just sharing... not seller biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 12 2017, 04:12 PM)
3M Having roadshow in 1U (actually since Friday until today), those not happy go there  complain, those want to find out more go there too. There promotion for complete system.

PS, i am just sharing... not seller biggrin.gif
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can complain why their price more expensive than tmall price? biggrin.gif
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can complain why their price more expensive than tmall price? biggrin.gif
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What todo, Malaysia consumer not big enough
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What todo, Malaysia consumer not big enough
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maybe not so popular compared to other MLM style water filters in malaysia market

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