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post Nov 7 2017, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 7 2017, 10:32 AM)
Gee..! A PoE filter used as PoU prefilter  sweat.gif  Too much overkill bro, if it meant for family usage. It can last years and years before it gets clogged but you forgot about the manufacturer's recommended 1 year cartridge replacement interval. It will be such a waste for underutilization. The max you can extend the replacement up to 2 years before the bacterial built up or filter material starts deteriorating. I suggest you move the AP902 out door for whole house filtration and replace a new PoE in the under sink.
As for your concern about people stealing it, I'm of the opinion that petty thief is more interested in your branded snickers then dismantling a water filter. The only value left for the thief is the AP902 filter head as he wouldnt know for sure how long the cartridge has been used.

3M AP902 filter head is only RM32 in Taobao. No need so susah to steal  tongue.gif
Ops! Profiteers is going to curse me for breaking their rice bowl. Sorry profiteers  tongue.gif

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Did search before too, wonder if the product are genuine or not.
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post Nov 7 2017, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 7 2017, 10:32 AM)
Gee..! A PoE filter used as PoU prefilter  sweat.gif  Too much overkill bro, if it meant for family usage. It can last years and years before it gets clogged but you forgot about the manufacturer's recommended 1 year cartridge replacement interval. It will be such a waste for underutilization. The max you can extend the replacement up to 2 years before the bacterial built up or filter material starts deteriorating. I suggest you move the AP902 out door for whole house filtration and replace a new PoE in the under sink.
As for your concern about people stealing it, I'm of the opinion that petty thief is more interested in your branded snickers then dismantling a water filter. The only value left for the thief is the AP902 filter head as he wouldnt know for sure how long the cartridge has been used.

3M AP902 filter head is only RM32 in Taobao. No need so susah to steal  tongue.gif
Ops! Profiteers is going to curse me for breaking their rice bowl. Sorry profiteers  tongue.gif

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Now my problem is I don't have much budget for the Outdoor Point Of Entry filter. Spent too much on renovation already.

Could you please recommend a decent good quality outdoor filter to me.


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post Nov 7 2017, 11:36 AM

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post Nov 7 2017, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 7 2017, 10:32 AM)
Gee..! A PoE filter used as PoU prefilter  sweat.gif  Too much overkill bro, if it meant for family usage. It can last years and years before it gets clogged but you forgot about the manufacturer's recommended 1 year cartridge replacement interval. It will be such a waste for underutilization. The max you can extend the replacement up to 2 years before the bacterial built up or filter material starts deteriorating. I suggest you move the AP902 out door for whole house filtration and replace a new PoE in the under sink.
As for your concern about people stealing it, I'm of the opinion that petty thief is more interested in your branded snickers then dismantling a water filter. The only value left for the thief is the AP902 filter head as he wouldnt know for sure how long the cartridge has been used.

3M AP902 filter head is only RM32 in Taobao. No need so susah to steal  tongue.gif
Ops! Profiteers is going to curse me for breaking their rice bowl. Sorry profiteers  tongue.gif

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head only RM 32 ? or the connection part only. If RM 32 for head, might as well buy the head + cartridge separately. sorry cant read mandarin

Water has chlorine, since AP902 is just cloth and does not remove chlorine only remove sediments upto 5 micron. SO, if used as sediment filtration, u can use it until it gets clogged, 2 or 3 years also no problem. If this is mainly used as a drinking filter then definitely it is nothing compared to the proper filters like DWS1000 or Aquaphor eco or Espring as AP902 is just a basic sediment filter upto 5 micron while drinking filters 0.5 micron and below

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post Nov 7 2017, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(thailover @ Nov 7 2017, 11:22 AM)
Now my problem is I don't have much budget for the Outdoor Point Of Entry filter. Spent too much on renovation already.

Could you please recommend a decent good quality outdoor filter to me.
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You already got one...your AP902 is a PoE. Move your AP902 outside and replace that space with a budget undersink PoU like Culligan IC-EZ-4 with certified NSF standards 42 & 53. See post# 1805

Assuming a family of 5 consume 1ltr water every day x 365 days = 1,825 ltr
Culligan IC-EZ-4 recommended best performance capacity is 1892 ltr, good enough for you ??

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post Nov 7 2017, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 6 2017, 09:47 PM)
Zheilwane Bro, I did some reading about Ultrafiltration membrane (UF) and found that UF can filter 0.01 micron pure water as clean as RO water or UV treated water but with lower maintenance cost, no water wastage and does not need electricity.  May I know your Crystal ECO main filter K7B which is using hollow fibre membrane, are there same as UF ?
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Micro Filtration = 0.1 micron
Ultra Filtration = 0.01 micron
RO Filtration = 0.001 micron

Aquaphor Crystal Eco is using Hollow Fibre membrane categorize as micro filtration (0.1 micron)

Our Multipore POE filter and many other membrane POE filter is the market are categorized as UF (ultrafiltration) 0.01 micron

So common asked question, if we install Multipore Membrane as POE (0.01 micron) wont our POU Aquaphor Eco (0.1micron) become redundant?
Answer is NO. UF can only filter sediments and bacteria down to 0.01 micron, but it is unable to filter VOCs, chemicals and etc etc such as chlorine. For those things, u need a good carbon filter. Even RO system with 0.0001 micron has to be coupled with a few carbon blocks to work properly.


This reminded me of something. NSF standard 42 and 53 do not cover BACTERIA. So, a basic carbon block filter like those RM 500+ do not have bacteria filtration membrane or uv light.



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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Nov 7 2017, 11:55 AM)
Micro Filtration = 0.1 micron
Ultra Filtration = 0.01 micron
RO Filtration = 0.001 micron

Aquaphor Crystal Eco is using Hollow Fibre membrane categorize as micro filtration (0.1 micron)

Our Multipore POE filter and many other membrane POE filter is the market are categorized as UF (ultrafiltration) 0.01 micron

So common asked question, if we install Multipore Membrane as POE (0.01 micron) wont our POU Aquaphor Eco (0.1micron) become redundant?
Answer is NO. UF can only filter sediments and bacteria down to 0.01 micron, but it is unable to filter VOCs, chemicals and etc etc such as chlorine. For those things, u need a good carbon filter. Even RO system with 0.0001 micron has to be coupled with a few carbon blocks to work properly.
This reminded me of something. NSF standard 42 and 53 do not cover BACTERIA. So, a basic carbon block filter like those RM 500+ do not have bacteria filtration membrane or uv light.
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Thanks for the explanation.
I think to add a final stage UF filter to an existing NSF standard 42/53 certified undersink filter would be a good alternative to UV for those who doesn't have power point under the sink.

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 7 2017, 12:16 PM)
Yes, head only. That's what I was saying, buy AP902 head from Taobao and buy ori cartridge locally at the total cost of RM600 instead of RM1.3K.
2 years ok la, 3 years bacterial built up kaw kaw liao smile.gif
Thanks for the explanation.
I think to add a final stage UF filter to an existing NSF standard 42/53 certified undersink filter would be a good alternative to UV for those who doesn't have power point under the sink.
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The spec is very high. But Russian products can be trusted or not? Please share your views.
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QUOTE(thailover @ Nov 7 2017, 02:35 PM)
The spec is very high. But Russian products can be trusted or not? Please share your views.
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Buy something u feel comfortable. If u r not comfortable with Russian Products then get 3M since u already got their AP902. We have spoken on the phone, i know you prefer branded stuff and that is why u got AP902 in the first place (not recommended by me and actually against my recommendation but already purchased, too bad). So, i do not wan to push you to get something u do not trust. For a peace of mind as what forumers suggested, get 3M. DWS2500 is the best spec under 3M. I can pre-order and still getting below market price smile.gif

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post Nov 7 2017, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(thailover @ Nov 7 2017, 02:35 PM)
The spec is very high. But Russian products can be trusted or not? Please share your views.
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Regardless trusted or not, it's out of your budget.
If you are on shoestring budget but need a reliable filter with certified NSF standard, I've already recommended you Culligan IC-EZ-4, USD51.29 sold and fulfilled by Amazon and it does ship to Malaysia. Remember to buy one or two spare cartridge @ USD29.75 and ship together. Find out the shipping cost and share it here.
You can also buy Culligan IC-EZ-1 locally at RM122 @ AceHardware + Spare RC-EZ-4 cartridge @ 11Street for RM249.
You can't use Panasonic because your present set up is undersink whereas Panasonic is a counter top filter.
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QUOTE(thailover @ Nov 7 2017, 02:35 PM)
The spec is very high. But Russian products can be trusted or not? Please share your views.
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If you want trusted brand, go for those already established & with local support all over Malaysia.
Who's going to help you to repair/service if your water filter malfunction? I believe a local support with immediate response is better then trial & error fixing it yourself. Furthermore within warranty period is FOC.
Some water filter also offer lifetime warranty on cartridge replacement, this can avoid unnecessary expenses.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 7 2017, 03:22 PM)
Regardless trusted or not, it's out of your budget.
If you are on shoestring budget but need a reliable filter with certified NSF standard, I've already recommended you Culligan IC-EZ-4, USD51.29 sold and fulfilled by Amazon and it does ship to Malaysia. Remember to buy one or two spare cartridge @ USD29.75 and ship together. Find out the shipping cost and share it here.
You can also buy Culligan IC-EZ-1 locally at RM122 @ AceHardware + Spare RC-EZ-4 cartridge @ 11Street for RM249.
You can't use Panasonic because your present set up is undersink whereas Panasonic is a counter top filter.
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I have allocated a budget of RM 4000 for Outdoor and Table Top.
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post Nov 7 2017, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(thailover @ Nov 7 2017, 05:16 PM)
I have allocated a budget of RM 4000 for Outdoor and Table Top.
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Aik, earlier in post# 1829 you mentioned that you don't have much budget after spent on renovation. Therefore I replied to you based on what you had posted.
Now that it's clear that your budget is 4k, I think your choice is aplenty. You basically just need a new PoU undersink filter to replace the AP902 and move your AP902 to outdoor as PoE.
Just my personal opinion for optimum cost saving.


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So this thread has become some brand selling thread? I thought selling thread at here https://forum.lowyat.net/GarageSales ??
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post Nov 8 2017, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 7 2017, 10:32 AM)
Gee..! A PoE filter used as PoU prefilter  sweat.gif  Too much overkill bro, if it meant for family usage. It can last years and years before it gets clogged but you forgot about the manufacturer's recommended 1 year cartridge replacement interval. It will be such a waste for underutilization. The max you can extend the replacement up to 2 years before the bacterial built up or filter material starts deteriorating. I suggest you move the AP902 out door for whole house filtration and replace a new PoU in the under sink.
As for your concern about people stealing it, I'm of the opinion that petty thief is more interested in your branded snickers then dismantling a water filter. The only value left for the thief is the AP902 filter head as he wouldnt know for sure how long the cartridge has been used.

3M AP902 filter head is only RM32 in Taobao. No need so susah to steal  tongue.gif
Ops! Profiteers is going to curse me for breaking their rice bowl. Sorry profiteers  tongue.gif

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lol, i dont read mandarin but see also know the price so cheap is for the 2 green pipe adaptors la. 25 32 is probably the thread size.
u think get that black plastic cap 3M for rm32? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 8 2017, 11:44 PM)
Really pitty you. Don't know how to read Chinese characters but jump into conclusion.  laugh.gif
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only conclusion is only if u can prove you bought the whole set for rm32. or else u also jump to conclusion that u are right.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 8 2017, 11:49 PM)
only conclusion is only if u can prove you bought the whole set  for rm32. or else u also jump to conclusion that u are right.
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I have no intetion to buy it and not going to prove anything here. Just sharing info. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 8 2017, 11:57 PM)
I have no intetion to buy it and not going to prove anything here. Just sharing info.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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i understand, i also hope i am wrong le. so that it can be worth it.

anyway checking around TB also found similar pics, it should be the screw adapter for that price range.

https://world.taobao.com/item/532656983322....44vgPacO#detail

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