Yes, espring have a chip and u can find lots of info on it but it does not measure the water quality. The warning to replace cartridge is based on 1 year or 5000L capacity.

So, if you wan to really monitor on the water usage, can buy a water meter. Some nowadays are so advanced, connected to home wifi and u can monitor with your phone. but cost $$$. Or just get a regular low meter less than RM 100

I beg to differ. The 1 year or 5000L capacity is based on NSF certification. Consumers know it is safe to drink, as long as it is within the lifespan. So the info provided by chip is more than sufficient.

No manufacturer can provide their end product with built-in water quality measurement. You can't shift the whole NSF lab to your home right?

When you pay thousands to buy a water filter, you don't expect the necessity to buy any additional kit. Same idea as you pay RM4K for an Iphone 8 Plus. Do you expect yourself to pay another fee for an add on kit to measure the battery level of it?

For the water quality, every water filter no matter cheap or valuable for money, it also based on report that made after lab test or those third party certificate. There is no way for any filter can claim that their water quality is good without any report or certificate proven.

Electronic chips prevent you from getting counterfeit cartridge too. Nowadays too many counterfeit stuff on market, i remember last time got counterfeit WTS2 cartridge which cost only 1/3 of the actual price. Nobody knows what kind of material they use LOL

How much money it cost to a brand to test their filter at NSF? Expensive?

According to the source below ranging from $1500-$2000 depending on the number and types of products to be approved.
Different standard cost differently, you can contact NSF for the price.

http://www.bpiworld.org/Resources/Document...012%20Final.pdf

Actually i tried emailing NSF, no definite answer on the costing. From what i was told by aquaphor is estimated USD 30k. They need to pay for their air tickets, accommodation and other expenses, need to check a few times. As per the website given, $1,500 - 2000 depending on number and types of product. Hence, i guess $ 2000 is for a basic test may b NSF 42 only or some cheaper standard less parameters tested. Also mentioned "US Composting Council member" can get cheaper licensing fee. FOr US based companies they use NSF as it is well known there and cheaper to test. Brands like 3M and culligan have many water filtration products, hence getting all products tested and certified would be much cheaper compared to Aquaphor just pay NSF to test on CRYSTAL ECO one model.

To Aquaphor, in RUSSIA and other european countries (their main business) customers do recognize LGA and that is why they do not need NSF (no demand for it) Due to the request is only from MALAYSIA specifically lowyat forum only, it is not profitable for them to spend such amount of money. Why not think the other way why Espring and 3M do not have LGA? why they didtn apply for LGA?

Since NSF is well known and established in US definitely 3M & Espring do not need LGA. Samething Aquaphor do not need NSF. Just different certification like if u work in AUS accounting u need CPA they wont recognised your MIA (malaysia cert) but u work in malaysia some companies do recognize MIA.


Why no reply from AQUAPHOR because the person in charge went to Amsterdam for AQUATECH expo. Aquaphor is an international brand and yes it is from RUSSIA. They are not any china OEM brands, u can google and find them in many European countries.


For example Aquatech Amsterdam is not any ABC company can participate, you need to have certain quality and criteria to join this expo.


This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 3 2017, 10:49 PM

what is the espring vs Aquaphor pro n con.

if long term cost how much over 5years.
basically dilemma

Espring selling price is around RM 3.2 - 3.8k i believe different seller offer different rate. Replacement should be around RM 550

Aquaphor selling price is RM 1699 sometimes can get lower. Replacement is RM 450

I have sample for both filters, i dont sell espring but i got their sample and several other brands as well for comparison. Some i purchase and some traded in with customers

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 4 2017, 12:29 AM

For eSpring price there is always member price and retail price, no other different rate of price. Those who get lower price is less case for some distributor need to hit target to sell it lower price and for those who get higher price is some bad distributors want to earn extra.
So customers always need to know well how to differentiate it and do some research.

What is LGA stand for? I only found out this on google. https://www.tuv.com/world/en/lga-tested-quality.html
Which test for mattress or other kind of products. But no specific for any water filter?

All test are made using standard condition pre define , and the output will be measured. Give you an example, Car crash test NCAP, lots of car have 5 stars ratting, but why when in actual live crash it still kill? because live crash the condition are different.

Question, when you have 3M? do you have a prefilter? and was your prefilter only installed after Aquaphor installed?

I am using 2 type of 3M in my house, one for outdoor another is indoor. I change every 1+ years, not because it clog but because I used it too long and feel right to change. My mom using AMWAY and always change after 1+ year not earlier when using amway it also clog every few months and we had a sand filter outside, but due to my mom house water condition the sand filter are useless and we switch to membrane filter after the switch amway filter no longer clog.

Good info bro. hope i am not too late i just booked a myway.my life membrane 930. hope its good ... please advice

googled, cant find anything on this brand. should be +- the same as other membrane filters.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 4 2017, 05:02 PM

thanks bro, really good to have customers like to who always help me to comment Most customers after buying never read the forum....

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 4 2017, 05:03 PM

Your 3m is the one filter right? Where mine is the dws1000, that come with 2 filters is better.

NSF give you a peace of mind as is already been tested and regular being tested. Give you another example, if you go to bank without a proper ssl/https would you login? Fyi ssl is also a global certificate body.

NSF is known as international standard (ANSI) as well, although it's based in US.
Just like ISO, ANSI standard is recognizable internationally and adapt to many countries.
https://www.ansi.org/about_ansi/introduction/introduction

eSpring didn't apply for LGA simply because it's not an international standard, more to regional standard.
Like WQA, it's also recognizable internationally.

This post has been edited by oyching88: Nov 5 2017, 02:54 AM

Member price RM3604, retailing price RM4505, there's no in between price or what so ever.
You may call Amway HQ 03-7946 2800 to ask the pricing.

NSF standard have nothing to do with clogging or not, there's no NSF standard for that too.
NSF is more on water quality like taste, removable contaminants & effectiveness.

You are right about "Filters with NSF does not mean they are more superior." hence you need to look into the technology and reviews.

This post has been edited by oyching88: Nov 5 2017, 03:00 AM

Your research is by talking to zheilwane?

Nsf have different grades and certificate level. Have to look into what level of certification. I am using dual filter because it was a combos purchase sometimes back with the ap902, and when i comparing the certificate level with amway is similar only without the uv certification. Been using almost 6 years, change 4 time as of now. And i bought another set spare at home from xammax. While my mom house upgrade from gen1 amway to the latest. So far is servings us good.

You actually can call up 3m and ask them to check, see wants their comments.

Sometimes you get better pricing from store. I have few friends comparing price still the best price and service you get is when going to store.