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post Jul 4 2015, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jul 4 2015, 04:44 PM)
Similar experience as you. Significant reduction in electricity usage (kwh), hence lower payment every month. I've 3 1hp inverter ac that runs 9-10 hrs a day. Average bill - RM300
I'm using Panasonic as well. Do read the manual to get the best out of it... thumbup.gif
Agree  thumbup.gif
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I never use inverter, that's why never dig on this. But indeed this is an eye opener for all laugh.gif
Anyway, York/Daikin will make a come back within a month or 2, so just wait and see thumbup.gif
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post Jul 4 2015, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 4 2015, 04:35 PM)
how about this?
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Back to back usually can't see the wiring or power socket on wall.

But if concealed only, otherwise outdoor got many wires too
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post Jul 4 2015, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 4 2015, 05:08 PM)
Back to back usually can't see the wiring or power socket on wall.

But if concealed only, otherwise outdoor got many wires too
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yes back to back. but why my electrician put power socket near outdoor aircon outside liao? later rain how
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 4 2015, 05:12 PM)
yes back to back. but why my electrician put power socket near outdoor aircon outside liao? later rain how
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Put somewhere loh, just located longer wire to kitchen or back yard.
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post Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM)
Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about. rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by Jason: Jul 4 2015, 07:41 PM
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post Jul 4 2015, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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Do u guys actually test out which mode is the have the best saving? Haha.. i currently running my 1.5hp pana without any mode.. and do u guys turn off power when the nanoeg led still active even though u off it?
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post Jul 5 2015, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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I use econavi for comfort... I used to play pc games till quiye late sometime 3-4am... Old non inverter aircon i can feel my leg become very cold and chill as my body temperature lower and my activity is low... When i switch to inverter i play around with the functions... Found out when i set econavi on and play game to late night i feel comfortable... I dont feel the sudden leg chill as it increase the temp a little to compensate low activity and i feel more comfortable... Maybee you prefer very cold aircon but i have sinus case since young and i just need aircon to make me comfortable enough to sleep i cannot take too cold temp... So 25deg is jusyjust nice
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QUOTE(kb24 @ Jul 4 2015, 11:14 PM)
Do u guys actually test out which mode is the have the best saving? Haha.. i currently running my 1.5hp pana without any mode.. and do u guys turn off power when the nanoeg led still active even though u off it?
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Nanoe light on after your unit off indicating the unit is cleaning the ac filter... Do not turn off the main switch leave it run for another 1hr or 2 so your condencer fin is dry and clean from virus and mould...

See proove my case GO READ THE MANUAL!
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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Use iautoX mode for fast cooling... Also know that inverter temp is more accurate vs non inverter... So set 1 or 2 deg lower in inverter and still give you 50% savings... Ignore what the remote temp setting just set the number that give you the best comfort... Its just number... Hahaha... I found out my prefer temp setting is

Econavi ON, 23deg, fan full blast, fin in auto, dimmer ON, nanoe ON

iAutoX ON, 25deg, rest all Auto

Comfort Mode ON, 23deg, fan full blast, fin in auto, dimmer ON, nanoe on
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post Jul 5 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 5 2015, 12:41 AM)
Use iautoX mode for fast cooling... Also know that inverter temp is more accurate vs non inverter...  So set 1 or 2 deg lower in inverter and still give you 50% savings...  Ignore what the remote temp setting just set the number that give you the best comfort...  Its just number... Hahaha...  I found out my prefer temp setting is

Econavi ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe ON

iAutoX ON,  25deg,  rest all Auto

Comfort Mode ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe on
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Seems like ur Pana Inverter got alot of functions to play with, my farking ME inverter just some plain basic fucntion. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 5 2015, 10:13 AM)
Seems like ur Pana Inverter got alot of functions to play with, my farking ME inverter just some plain basic fucntion. whistling.gif
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Depend my ME non inverter has lots of function too... Read the manual

Or maybee i usually buy the top of the range model...
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 5 2015, 10:35 AM)
Depend my ME non inverter has lots of function too...  Read the manual

Or maybee i usually buy the top of the range model...
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No worry, I always read the manual fully for all the electric appliances that i bought. laugh.gif
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post Jul 5 2015, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 5 2015, 12:41 AM)
Use iautoX mode for fast cooling... Also know that inverter temp is more accurate vs non inverter...  So set 1 or 2 deg lower in inverter and still give you 50% savings...  Ignore what the remote temp setting just set the number that give you the best comfort...  Its just number... Hahaha...  I found out my prefer temp setting is

Econavi ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe ON

iAutoX ON,  25deg,  rest all Auto

Comfort Mode ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe on
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Mine slightly older model than yours, no iAutoX function. I just know turn on air con, set 23C and turn on powerful mode, still not as powerful as York Cooling King L. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 5 2015, 02:56 PM)
Mine slightly older model than yours, no iAutoX function. I just know turn on air con, set 23C and turn on powerful mode, still not as powerful as York Cooling King L.  rclxm9.gif
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Panasonic the only winning point to other brands are they are quiet compare to other brands.
Even my 2HP non inverter when blower set to low also will be very quiet.
The price for this will be you may feel it is slower in terms on cooling performance.
That's why choosing the right HP for your room matters.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 5 2015, 12:35 AM)
Nanoe light on after your unit off indicating the unit is cleaning the ac filter...  Do not turn off the main switch leave it run for another 1hr or 2 so your condencer fin is dry and clean from virus and mould...

See proove my case GO READ THE MANUAL!
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Haha.. i do read the manual, but the problem is when i turn off aircon and want to go for work, i usually will switch off and unplug (my habit).. but due to this nanoe stuff, i cannot power off it and have to wait 2hours.. so normally if i see the nanoe turn on when i off, i will restart the aircon and off it again.. the nanoe will off. It seem like nanoe will automatic perform the cleaning after 2 or 3 times of usage
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QUOTE(kb24 @ Jul 5 2015, 09:55 PM)
Haha.. i do read the manual, but the problem is when i turn off aircon and want to go for work, i usually will switch off and unplug (my habit).. but due to this nanoe stuff, i cannot power off it and have to wait 2hours.. so normally if i see the nanoe turn on when i off, i will restart the aircon and off it again.. the nanoe will off. It seem like nanoe will automatic perform the cleaning after 2 or 3 times of usage
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If you know that and won't on & off from main switch power socket, once the high power wattage hit in may cause the PCB life of damage in shorten.

Each Aircon design should have standby mode for quickly turn on compressor less than 5 second of relay.

Unless you never usage for a month then turn off for saving standby energy should be ok.
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QUOTE(kb24 @ Jul 5 2015, 09:55 PM)
Haha.. i do read the manual, but the problem is when i turn off aircon and want to go for work, i usually will switch off and unplug (my habit).. but due to this nanoe stuff, i cannot power off it and have to wait 2hours.. so normally if i see the nanoe turn on when i off, i will restart the aircon and off it again.. the nanoe will off. It seem like nanoe will automatic perform the cleaning after 2 or 3 times of usage
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Depend how dirty the heat exchanger is... (Condenser unit) if it is wet and dirty nanoe will activate... just leave it plug in laa will not consume much on standby maybee you loose RM0.50 perday on standby...

Leave it to clean else got mould and bacteria smell... yuck...
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 5 2015, 02:56 PM)
Mine slightly older model than yours, no iAutoX function. I just know turn on air con, set 23C and turn on powerful mode, still not as powerful as York Cooling King L.  rclxm9.gif
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York cooling king has higher consumption cause Compressor bigger... but dont like the quality... degrade very fast after 2yrs of use...

if not wrong Panasonic is the 2nd lowest power consumption for the compressor the first is LG if not mistaken... maybe this effect the cooling capacity as naturally compressor is smaller compare to the rest...



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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 6 2015, 10:14 AM)
York cooling king has higher consumption cause Compressor bigger... but dont like the quality... degrade very fast after 2yrs of use...

if not wrong Panasonic is the 2nd lowest power consumption for the compressor the first is LG if not mistaken... maybe this effect the cooling capacity as naturally compressor is smaller compare to the rest...
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Simply said, Pana cooling capacity is lower primarily due to cut cost, period.

Cooling quality is not solely depends on compressor, it also depends on the quality of the condenser, cooling coil, arrangement/density of the fin, with the latter component is much more important in cooling role than the compressor alone.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 6 2015, 10:32 AM)
Simply said, Pana cooling capacity is lower primarily due to cut cost, period.

Cooling quality is not solely depends on compressor, it also depends on the quality of the condenser, cooling coil, arrangement/density of the fin, with the latter component is much more important in cooling role than the compressor alone.
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Cant make everyone happy...

I dont think its cost cutting... since they did provide quite alot of features... more like business decision

You need to find balance between comfort and power usage and each manufacturer has different approach...

like car... some go for downsizing turbo (which is a trend) some put in Hybrid.... some decided to go with Lighter car and chasis...


for AC... you get this

1: Inverter technology...
2: Putting more sensor to help make intelligence decision to optimise power savings
3: The balance between compressor capacity (how big or how small) there is a formula but I'll leave this shit out

For Panasonic not bad actually Compressor is smaller and I get one of the most efficient AC compare to other inverter... the winner being LG but then its korean brand...

Sacrifice comfort... not really once I turn it on maybee it take 1min more to cool the room vs others but once stable it is pretty quiet and consistent on keeping everyone comfort... and the sensor really help...

Sacrifice some comfort for electricity savings...I can live with that...

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Jul 6 2015, 11:04 AM

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