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post Jul 3 2015, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 3 2015, 12:35 PM)
Of coz 2hp will be ok, but just facing direct to sofa area will do
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Thanks for the advice. Any nice 2.0hp aircon brand/model you can suggest for me? inverter and non inverter will do the same right?
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post Jul 3 2015, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(angelcdb @ Jul 3 2015, 12:43 PM)
Thanks for the advice. Any nice 2.0hp aircon brand/model you can suggest for me? inverter and non inverter will do the same right?
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Daikin Ga cooling King R410a is a best
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post Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 2 2015, 12:44 AM)
Inverter power saving is too much hype adi...for bedroom, buy inverter for comfort, becos less temperature variation. For power saving, honestly not really that much.
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I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62


So yeah 50% savings maybe more...

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post Jul 3 2015, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM)
I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62
So yeah 50% savings maybe more...
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Im contemplating changing to inverter also as my normal Daikin ac (2hp and 1hp) contributes to ard RM300 bill.

The RM240/RM140 is actual bill rite? Not just from the AC..
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post Jul 3 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(nanan75 @ Jul 3 2015, 02:55 PM)
Im contemplating changing to inverter also as my normal Daikin ac (2hp and 1hp) contributes to ard RM300 bill.

The RM240/RM140 is actual bill rite?  Not just from the AC..
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Yes Actual bill from TNB
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post Jul 3 2015, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM)
I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62
So yeah 50% savings maybe more...
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Usage pattern quite similar to mine, in excess of 10 hours. And yes, Panasonic Inverter have to set lower temperature setting versus non-inverter air con. Your findings is same as mine.

Do you feel any difference in terms of how fast the room cools down from when you turn it on?

QUOTE(nanan75 @ Jul 3 2015, 02:55 PM)
Im contemplating changing to inverter also as my normal Daikin ac (2hp and 1hp) contributes to ard RM300 bill.

The RM240/RM140 is actual bill rite?  Not just from the AC..
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Take into consideration that he on the air con in excess of 10 hours.. if 2 hours only, don't expect to see huge difference.
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post Jul 3 2015, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 3 2015, 09:52 PM)
Usage pattern quite similar to mine, in excess of 10 hours. And yes, Panasonic Inverter have to set lower temperature setting versus non-inverter air con. Your findings is same as mine.

Do you feel any difference in terms of how fast the room cools down from when you turn it on?
Take into consideration that he on the air con in excess of 10 hours.. if 2 hours only, don't expect to see huge difference.
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I guess not only Panasonic aircond, basically all inverter have to set lower temp versus non-inverter in order to 'feel' the same coldness, not becos inverter is less colder, just that the non-inverter cut off point is lower than what u set. In non inverter, if u set 25'C, it might cut off @ 23'C, and turn ON again when rise to 27'C, so the 'average' temp is what u set, 25'C.

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post Jul 3 2015, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 3 2015, 10:02 PM)
I guess not only Panasonic aircond, basically all inverter have to set lower temp versus non-inverter in order to get the same coldness, not becos inverter is less colder, just that the non-inverter cut off point is lower than what u set. In non inverter, if u set 25'C, it might cut off @ 23'C, and turn ON again when rise to 27'C, so the 'average' temp is what u set, 25'C.
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Agreed.
But I can also attest to my personal experience that Panasonic Inverter is terrible in coldness in comparison to Daikin non-GA Inverter. Same room, same 1HP.

I was so pissed off I wanted to rip the Panasonic Inverter off the wall and throw it out the window.

My mom also say...why this air con so hot. lol.
The other Panasonic and National non-inverter in the house is cold.


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post Jul 3 2015, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 3 2015, 10:05 PM)
Agreed.
But I can also attest to my personal experience that Panasonic Inverter is terrible in coldness in comparison to Daikin non-GA Inverter. Same room, same 1HP.

I was so pissed off I wanted to rip the Panasonic Inverter off the wall and throw it out the window.

My mom also say...why this air con so hot. lol.
The other Panasonic and National non-inverter in the house is cold.
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That's why they boast 65% of savings whistling.gif

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post Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 3 2015, 09:52 PM)
Usage pattern quite similar to mine, in excess of 10 hours. And yes, Panasonic Inverter have to set lower temperature setting versus non-inverter air con. Your findings is same as mine.

Do you feel any difference in terms of how fast the room cools down from when you turn it on?
Take into consideration that he on the air con in excess of 10 hours.. if 2 hours only, don't expect to see huge difference.
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Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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post Jul 4 2015, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM)
Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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Are you trying to says that most of the people never read the manual properly whistling.gif
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 4 2015, 12:51 PM)
Are you trying to says that most of the people never read the manual properly whistling.gif
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Most of them YES

Cause most dont bother
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post Jul 4 2015, 04:09 PM

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kimsim, how did you put power socket in your aircon? I wanna hide the cable power.if put outside it will be exposed to rain. like this look ugly if we can see cable

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 4 2015, 03:05 PM)
Most of them YES

Cause most dont bother
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Well, at least the Samseng fanboy able to troll on this matter and blaming Panasonic inverters are rubbish to promote his Mitsubishi shocking.gif
That's the common mistake done by people all the time.
But without reading the manual also can roughly knows how does inverter work, like if we set 20°C for a 28°C room, the first 2-3 hours it will just run to the max like non inverter. But as soon as it is reaching 22°C, it will starts to ramp down the output based on people inside(this is where the sensor matters). Some people are quite sensitive on this and starting to complaint it is not cold.
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i want something like this neat without cable

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 4 2015, 04:09 PM)
kimsim, how did you put power socket in your aircon? I wanna hide the cable power.if put outside it will be exposed to rain.
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you meant for outdoor unit?

usually they using it type of power socket on off with cover
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 4 2015, 04:18 PM)
i want something like this neat without cable
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dont put inside wow, later you might headache for serving and also may reduce airflow on top for fcu less than 100mm height drool.gif
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 4 2015, 04:24 PM)
dont put inside wow, later you might headache for serving and also may reduce airflow on top for fcu less than 100mm height  drool.gif
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how about this?


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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM)
I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62
So yeah 50% savings maybe more...
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Similar experience as you. Significant reduction in electricity usage (kwh), hence lower payment every month. I've 3 1hp inverter ac that runs 9-10 hrs a day. Average bill - RM300


QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM)
Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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I'm using Panasonic as well. Do read the manual to get the best out of it... thumbup.gif


QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 4 2015, 04:13 PM)
Well, at least the Samseng fanboy able to troll on this matter and blaming Panasonic inverters are rubbish to promote his Mitsubishi shocking.gif
That's the common mistake done by people all the time.
But without reading the manual also can roughly knows how does inverter work, like if we set 20°C for a 28°C room, the first 2-3 hours it will just run to the max like non inverter. But as soon as it is reaching 22°C, it will starts to ramp down the output based on people inside(this is where the sensor matters). Some people are quite sensitive on this and starting to complaint it is not cold.
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Agree thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 4 2015, 04:22 PM)
you meant for outdoor unit?

usually they using it type of power socket on off with cover
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i thought outdoor no need power socket one?

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