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Skidd Chung
post Jan 26 2016, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 19 2016, 11:39 PM)
No problem smile.gif

Yeah it's fast alright, because for common usage, read speed and random iops are still very useful in most cases.

That's also why it's ok to use ssd with sata2 ports. Not great, but good enough.
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Just a late update. Managed to switch from Marvell to Intel ports and now my benchmark speeds are 500+ .

Thanks for help.

I did install a driver from Intel called "Intel rapid storage " is it necessary?
Leon be here now
post Jan 26 2016, 08:21 PM

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Hi Sifu's

Been looking through this forum but there is no good thread re microSD card
So I guess I will hijack this thread, microSD is technically an SSD too?
Been doing a lot of testing on my current microSD cards, before using it on my Honor 7.

been using:
H2testw - test for real capacity
CrystalDiskMark5_0_3 - test speed

Android: - not done any test using any android phone yet but i have install the following:
A1 SD Bench - any good?
SD Insight - any good?
is there a H2testw equivalent on android?

microSD: price varies with speed and brand.
Kingston
Samsung evo
Sandisk

eg my Sandisk from Lazada
Sandisk Ultra 64GB 48MBPS microSDXC

CrystalDiskMark = R41, W34 (i guess speed is acceptable)
H2testw = Verify(Read) 35MBps, W18MBps

Not sure why there is a large different in Write speed, as all my other mSD are similar ie R17,W9
both case I put microSD to adapter plug to my Zenbook UX305FA SD slot.
Quick Format exFat before each test, allocation table default.

The above card is my best card I have got, others are old and slow stuff not worth mentioning.

Interesting thing with my:
16gb usb3 sandisk otg duo fat32
CrystalDiskMark = R37, W26
H2testw = Verify(Read) 102 MBps, W21MBps (some really strange Reads speeds)

Interestingly Samsung microSD evo series claim its magnetic proof. (besides water,xray,shock proof)

In my next purchase I think I may get a Samsung instead of a Sandisk coz of this reason. But Kingston for the same price I get about double the Read speed.

Dont really care about Read speed 40-80MBps already good for me.
What Samsung/Sandisk/Kingston dont state is their Write speed, I know they will do minimum 10 but 20-30+ would be nice.

Sandisk Ultra 64GB 48MBPS microSDXC from Lazada (Arche Tech) RM75 12.12.15 flash sale
http://www.lazada.com.my/newest-version-sa...rd-3002624.html

32GB above version sale now RM45 before 10% off UOB
24.1.16 was RM48 with AJL30 voucher glitch I paid RM18 hehe packed and ready to post.

Samsung 32GB 48MBps is RM52 including postage
http://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-48mb-s-cl...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Kingston 32GB 80MBps is RM47 including postage
http://www.lelong.com.my/kingston-80mb-s-c...7-01-Sale-I.htm

http://www.lelong.com.my/sandisk-48mb-s-mi...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Kingston 80MBPS disk are similar price as SanDisk/Samsung 48MBps.
Any recomendations? reliable, price/performance.


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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 26 2016, 05:03 PM)
ok hehe it's called heat pipe. however i think the cooling system is mainly used to cool cpu and gpu only. i'm not sure if there is any direct contact to your ssd. afaik certain high-end asus g-series has a special metal place holder for m.2 ssd which also serves as heat spreader for the ssd.
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no idea lol
yet I forgot where the ssd location on the laptop already
anyway, for me it is not a big deal since normal usage just 40°C biggrin.gif
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post Jan 26 2016, 10:59 PM

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I'm trying to do a bulk buy for SM951 and if I can get 25 units, I can do RM900 each. Anyone interested? smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2016, 12:00 AM

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After doing bit of googling I have came across some info I think may be interest to you guys.

My main idea was to use a cheap card that provides decent sequential read/write, fast random read/write.
Purpose was to extend storage on ultrabook, zenbook, macbook air/pro etc.... by using the SD slots but they are usually halfsize
There are halfsize SD card adapters around that you can buy. Comes in 15mm - 20mm choose correct to make it flush with your ultra book.

Another option is to by Transcend JetDrive, amazon review says it works for other ultrabooks too eg zenbook, but they are very expensive and random read/write speed sucks. plus some people report have issue with going sleep/hibernate.
http://www.lelong.com.my/transcend-jetdriv...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Source
http://www.storagereview.com/samsung_32gb_..._review_mbmp32d
http://www.storagereview.com/samsung_evo_p...ory_card_review

------- Sequential -------
Samsung EVO microSD 32GB Sequential Read 44.4 MB/s, Write 19.1 MB/s --- affordable card

Samsung microSDHC Plus 32GB Sequential Read 71.44MB/s, Write 20.08MB/s --- expensive card
Samsung Evo Plus microSD 128GB Sequential Read 84.9 MB/s, Write 19.7 MB/s --- expensive card
SanDisk Extreme Pro microSDXC Sequential Read 90.9 MB/s, Write 74.7 MB/s --- expensive card

------- Random large-block transfers -------
Samsung EVO microSD 32GB Random Read 43.9 MB/s, Write 32.0 MB/s --- AMAZING random Write
Samsung microSDHC Plus 32GB Random Read 67.35MB/s, Write 20.04MB/s

Samsung Evo Plus Random Read 79.5 MB/s, Write 3.9 MB/s --- LAME random write
SanDisk Extreme PRO microSDHC Random Read 87.6 MB/s, Write 13.4 MB/s --- LAME random write but fast sequential write

SanDisk Extreme Plus Random Read 85.9 MB/s, Write 43.8 MB/s
SanDisk Ultra Random Read 43.98MB/s, Write 2.45MB/s --- LAME random write

Kingston microSD Card Class 10 UHS-I U3 great speed, but expensive
http://www.legitreviews.com/kingston-64gb-...review_157468/2

Conclusion
Samsung 32GB EVO microSD Memory Card (MB-MP32D) is a cheap card that provides decent sequential read/write, fast random read/write.
Not sure now to find this model MB-MP32D / MB-MP64D in Malaysia



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post Jan 27 2016, 12:02 AM

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http://www.amazon.com/review/RWSSRGQYB9ED9...541966&store=pc

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This guy J. Yang from amazon did an amazing review, I have copy and past it here.
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I had the opportunity to compare the performance of the fastest microsd cards currently available from top manufacturers. All cards mentioned in this review are obtained from Amazon during the last week or two except when noted otherwise.

Test Setup:
Lexar Professional workflow UR1 microsd card reader was used for all tests except when noted
CrystalDiskMark 5.0.2 x64 was used to produce all the test results and was set up with 2 passes and 100MB read/write size
All cards up to 32GB are formatted as FAT32 with 32KB allocation unit size, all 64GB cards are formatted exFAT with 128KB allocation unit size

Test Results (Numbers are Sequential Read, Sequential Write, 4K Random Read, 4K Random Write in MB/s, speeds greater than 10MB/s were rounded to the whole numbers)

16 GB Alphabetically
Lexar 633x** -- 88, 25, 8.7, 1.2
Panasonic U3** -- 93, 42, 11, 0.7
Sandisk Extreme Pro -- 95, 80, 7.6, 2.6

32 GB Alphabetically
Delkin U3 -- 93, 59, 11, 0.6
Kingston 90R/80W -- 93, 58, 11, 0.6 <== the listed product
Lexar 1000x -- 90, 57, 10, 1.4
Lexar 1000x with Bundled Reader* -- 148, 60, 10, 1.4
Patriot EP -- 90, 35, 10, 0.6
PNY Turbo Performance -- 91, 55, 6.9, 0.9
Samsung Pro gray -- 92, 82, 10, 3.6
Sandisk Extreme Pro -- 94, 87, 9, 3.0
Sony up to 95MB/s -- 91, 51, 4.8, 0.9
Transcend Ultimate 633x -- 93, 85, 8.1, 1.4

64 GB Alphabetically
Delkin U3 -- 94, 27, 13, 0.3
Kingston 90R/80W -- 94, 25, 13, 0.3 <== the listed product
Lexar 1000x -- 92, 56, 12, 1.5
Lexar 1000x with Bundled Reader* -- 153, 66, 11, 1.7
Patriot EP -- 81, 22, 11, 0.6
PNY Turbo Performance -- 92, 54, 6.9, 0.9
Samsung black -- 82, 20, 8.8, 2.1
Samsung Pro gray -- 90, 80, 10, 3.5
Samsung Pro+ *** -- 92, 86, 10, 5.3
Sandisk Extreme Plus**** -- 92, 58, 10, 2.8
Sandisk Extreme Pro - 97, 91, 10, 3.0
Sandisk Ultra ***** -- 46, 16, 7.0, 2.1
Sony up to 95MB/s -- 92, 49, 5.2, 0.9
Transcend Ultimate 633x -- 93, 83, 7.3, 1.4

128 GB Alphabetically
Lexar 633x -- 78, 28, 3.3, 1.4
Sandisk Ultra -- 92, 19, 6.4, 2.4

* The Lexar 1000x card is the only UHS-II card available and tested, the bundled USB reader has extra pins for reading UHS-II card
** Came bundled with a device
*** Purchased from a large west coast electronics retailer. This card is a new release and not currently available on Amazon. It is different from the gray-colored Pro card
**** old model tested, not the current U3 model
***** old model tested

Fastest Sequential Read:
All tested cards were able to accomplish > 90MB/s, with the Lexar 1000x able to take advantage of UHS-II speed when using the bundled USB reader and leading the pack

Fastest Sequential Write:
Sandisk Extreme Pro, Samsung Pro+, Transcend Ultimate 633x

Fastest Random Read:
Kingston 90R/80W.

Fastest Random Write:
Samsung Pro+

Best overall:
Samsung Pro+ and Sandisk Extreme Pro

Other observations:
Performance and price are not proportional when it comes to selecting a microSD card. Some of the worst performing cards in this review also happen to be the most expensive.
Not all 633x cards are created equal. The two cards reviewed from Lexar and Transcend are both marked as 633x but vary in performance greatly.
4k video recording using action cams and drone cameras have a typical bitrate of 60mbps or 100mbps, corresponding to 7.5MB/s to 12.5MB/s. All cards in this review should theoretically be able to handle this usage easily.
Using microsd card as supplemental phone storage potentially could benefit from a faster card,

Best Looking Card (if it matters):
Sandisk Extreme Pro: Red/Gold with white print
Lexar 1000x: White/Gold with Black/White print
Samsung Pro+: White/Black with a red stripe and Black/White print
PNY Turbo: Lime Green/Black with Black/White print

Update 9/14/2015: Added additional cards to the list.

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The above is a review from J. Yang from amazon, I have copy and past it here.
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post Jan 27 2016, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Jan 26 2016, 07:04 PM)
Just a late update. Managed to switch from Marvell to Intel ports and now my benchmark speeds are 500+ .

Thanks for help.

I did install a driver from Intel called "Intel rapid storage " is it necessary?
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nice smile.gif

installing intel rst driver is optional if os-provided msahci driver works fine. however imo it better to use it because it's actively maintained, while msahci driver is used as failsafe.

QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 26 2016, 10:59 PM)
I'm trying to do a bulk buy for SM951 and if I can get 25 units, I can do RM900 each. Anyone interested? smile.gif
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good stuff bro biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 27 2016, 09:23 AM)
good stuff bro biggrin.gif
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Thank you boss. Interested to get one for yourself? smile.gif
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Hi guys. What would you say is the best budget ssd nowadays? Is it still the liteon?
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hi guys.. i have one question regarding sata slot.. my desktop rig have 6 sata slot.. my liteon ssd connect to sata no 6.. but the performance really too slow (like loading window) compare to my laptop.. is sata slot have effect on ssd speed?

i feel like using hdd like before.. tqvm for your reply..
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jan 25 2016, 06:14 PM)
Anyone here given the Samsung 950 Pro a whirl yet?

I'm giving it serious consideration because the Intel 750 series will obviously have to sit in a PCI-E slot, which takes up a considerable amount of space. It would be good know if any users here have any experience with them.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 25 2016, 09:38 PM)
if the m.2 slot is not blocked by anything, you can secure a copper heat sink on top of its controller chip. the caveat is that you might void its warranty if you removed the sticker.
no, i just have samsung's xp941 and sm951. i use a pcie adapter with heat sink to cope with its overheating. note that a lot of reviews said that it's acceptable to use them in bare form in general use. the point does make sense, but i am building my work stuff with it and move them to other storage frequently. i just don't wanna risk it.

samsung 950 pro has a built-in throttling to prevent overheating. (basically it means dropping the speed to sata3 when it happens) if this is not your concern then it should be good to go.
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I heard the 950pro also the nand gets pretty hot. The 750s last time i heard, loading windows is slower than non nvme sata ssd.

QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 26 2016, 10:59 PM)
I'm trying to do a bulk buy for SM951 and if I can get 25 units, I can do RM900 each. Anyone interested? smile.gif
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These are nvme enterprise ssd right? Macam interested.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 27 2016, 02:24 PM)
These are nvme enterprise ssd right? Macam interested.
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It comes with 3 years warranty but I'm not sure if it's being used in enterprises smile.gif M2 slot normally ends up in consumer based PC/notebooks.
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QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jan 27 2016, 01:41 PM)
hi guys.. i have one question regarding sata slot.. my desktop rig have 6 sata slot.. my liteon ssd connect to sata no 6.. but the performance really too slow (like loading window) compare to my laptop.. is sata slot have effect on ssd speed?

i feel like using hdd like before.. tqvm for your reply..
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What's the SATA spec? 6gbps one? Or the express one?
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 27 2016, 02:24 PM)
I heard the 950pro also the nand gets pretty hot.  The 750s last time i heard, loading windows is slower than non nvme sata ssd.
These are nvme enterprise ssd right? Macam interested.
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Might be an issue because I use it with my M2 mobo slot which means the poor thing is slotted between 2 GTX980TIs
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jan 27 2016, 02:47 PM)
It comes with 3 years warranty but I'm not sure if it's being used in enterprises smile.gif M2 slot normally ends up in consumer based PC/notebooks.
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What is the capacity you bring in?
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 27 2016, 03:27 PM)
What is the capacity you bring in?
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Primarily 256GB because this is the most sought after size currently. There's also options for 512GB but perhaps later smile.gif
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QUOTE(victor_chan997 @ Jan 27 2016, 02:59 PM)
What's the SATA spec? 6gbps one? Or the express one?
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i think all of them sata 3.. should be 6gbps right?

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QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jan 27 2016, 08:22 PM)
i think all of them sata 3.. should be 6gbps right?
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Yes, sata 3 is 6gbps, can you provide your ssd model and capacity? And before that, shut the computer down, get into bios and double confirm you have set the main drive controller to sata and not the ahci mode.

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jan 27 2016, 03:08 PM)
Might be an issue because I use it with my M2 mobo slot which means the poor thing is slotted between 2 GTX980TIs
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Skylake board or X99? If z97 the m.2 will be limited to x2 PCIe 2.0 lanes.
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any sifus can review Patriot Blast 256 SSD? Only 369, cheapest in my town right now.

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