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post Feb 3 2016, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 1 2016, 07:20 AM)
Got it from Kogan.

Running it on an Asrock X99 WS. Just waiting on a Xeon processor and my DDR4 ECC Registered RAM to arrive as well.
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Kogan ships to Malaysia ? I thought they didn't do it
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post Feb 4 2016, 10:50 PM

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Guys, one question?

I have currently have 2 HDD's in raid 0. Now i have purchase a SSD to use as boot drive? any procedures to be done? like set to AHCI first then raid? but i want to remain the 2 HDD's in raid setup.

Any guru can enlighten me?
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post Feb 5 2016, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(R3b0rn @ Feb 4 2016, 10:50 PM)
Guys, one question?

I have currently have 2 HDD's in raid 0. Now i have purchase a SSD to use as boot drive? any procedures to be done? like set to AHCI first then raid? but i want to remain the 2 HDD's in raid setup.

Any guru can enlighten me?
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in general raid supports ahci so you are good to go.

note that to get the most performance out of your ssd, it' best to connect it to intel ports on your mobo.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 1 2016, 09:12 PM)
It's just my home PC. I usually build a new PC every 5 years or so, but when I do I aim for absurd overkill to ensure it'll perform for a long time to come.
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post Feb 13 2016, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(MyPIA @ Feb 3 2016, 03:08 PM)
Kogan ships to Malaysia ? I thought they didn't do it
empire23 is not in Malaysia LULz
QUOTE(empire23 @ Jan 25 2016, 06:14 PM)
Anyone here given the Samsung 950 Pro a whirl yet?
I'm buying 1 soon
Actually, the company that I'm working for is buying 1 for my personal use

The benefits of being the only IT guy in the office LAWL tongue.gif

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post Feb 14 2016, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Feb 13 2016, 01:05 PM)
empire23 is not in Malaysia LULz
I'm buying 1 soon
Actually, the company that I'm working for is buying 1 for my personal use

The benefits of being the only IT guy in the office LAWL tongue.gif
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How nice ! rclxms.gif

IT guy or no IT guy, if I want one, I have to get it on my own unfortunately. sad.gif

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post Feb 19 2016, 01:00 PM

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SDD help decide

need decide quick need to confirm order today/tomorrow.
-simple office use condition.
-must be reliable, less break down history
-speed not a concern as its ssd its already fast enough
-prefer cheaper if possible but not as important as reliable.

Here is my shortlist from the supplier whom going to built my PC (not much choice)
RM 209 Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB
RM 220 SAMSUNG 2.5” 650 SERIES 120GB SSD
RM 249 TRANSCEND 370S SERIES 128GB

I assume all are 3 year warranty.
Kingston Hyper x is cheap any good? but dont trust Kingston SSD since V300 bait/switch
Samsung 650 (3D V-NAND) not much is know with this product, but its samsung should be reliable?? probably bit slower
Cant find liteon 120GB version from my supplier

May concider upgrade.
RM 402 LITEON 900S 256GB SSD SATA3 (PX^^SCS-256L9S)
RM 396 LITEON 2.5“ MU2 240GB SOLID STATE DRIVE (PX-PE3-CE240)
RM 405 Kingston HyperX Fury 240GB SSD SATA3 (SHFS37A/240G)

I could possibly buy SSD from another supplier if price is right, eg Sandisk, Liteon, evo 120gb version
any recommendation welcome.
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post Feb 19 2016, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Feb 19 2016, 01:00 PM)
SDD help decide

need decide quick need to confirm order today/tomorrow.
-simple office use condition.
-must be reliable, less break down history
-speed not a concern as its ssd its already fast enough
-prefer cheaper if possible but not as important as reliable.

Here is my shortlist from the supplier whom going to built my PC (not much choice)
RM 209 Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB
RM 220 SAMSUNG 2.5” 650 SERIES 120GB SSD
RM 249 TRANSCEND 370S SERIES 128GB

I assume all are 3 year warranty.
Kingston Hyper x is cheap any good? but dont trust Kingston SSD since V300 bait/switch
Samsung 650 (3D V-NAND) not much is know with this product, but its samsung should be reliable?? probably bit slower
Cant find liteon 120GB version from my supplier

May concider upgrade.
RM 402 LITEON 900S 256GB SSD SATA3 (PX^^SCS-256L9S)
RM 396 LITEON 2.5“ MU2 240GB SOLID STATE DRIVE (PX-PE3-CE240)
RM 405 Kingston HyperX Fury 240GB SSD SATA3 (SHFS37A/240G)

I could possibly buy SSD from another supplier if price is right, eg Sandisk, Liteon, evo 120gb version
any recommendation welcome.
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HyperX Fury is reliable, using one, not a single problem
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post Feb 19 2016, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(goat69 @ Feb 19 2016, 01:53 PM)
^^250GB Samsung 750 EVO

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Samsu...-Return-2D-NAND

try get at least 2xx GB don't use 12x GB anymore.
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Dont really want to spend too much $$, as its just simple office work, need reliable performer, not speed/storage space.
later if she needs storage, i just ask her to get a USB 1TB for RM200 or install a proper 1TB 3.5" HDD for similar price.


QUOTE(victor_chan997 @ Feb 19 2016, 01:55 PM)
HyperX Fury is reliable, using one, not a single problem
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ok my short list is now
RM 209 Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB
RM 211 SanDisk X300 after voucher (apps only CNY28) RM183 !!
http://www.lazada.com.my/genuine-128gb-san...sd-1790261.html

I think I stay with Sandisk not because its cheaper after discount
but because i think they are more reputable and they make their own 1st tear chips, kingston buys chips from dont know whom.

what you think stay with Sandisk?

------- update -------

RM 239
Samsung 750 EVO 120GB SSD- New model (540/520mb/s)
http://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-750-evo-1...6-02-Sale-P.htm

intersting, but RM66 more expensive compaied to SanDisk X300

This post has been edited by Leon be here now: Feb 19 2016, 03:01 PM
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post Feb 20 2016, 08:19 AM

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For ssd can i create partitions like using hdd such as OS partition and data partition? Others say it will shorten the lifespan and decrease the performance.. Is that true?
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post Feb 20 2016, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Feb 19 2016, 02:58 PM)
Dont really want to spend too much $$, as its just simple office work, need reliable performer, not speed/storage space.
later if she needs storage, i just ask her to get a USB 1TB for RM200 or install a proper 1TB 3.5" HDD for similar price.
ok my short list is now
RM 209 Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB
RM 211 SanDisk X300 after voucher (apps only CNY28) RM183 !!
http://www.lazada.com.my/genuine-128gb-san...sd-1790261.html

I think I stay with Sandisk not because its cheaper after discount
but because i think they are more reputable and they make their own 1st tear chips, kingston buys chips from dont know whom.

what you think stay with Sandisk?

------- update -------

RM 239
Samsung 750 EVO 120GB SSD- New model (540/520mb/s)
http://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-750-evo-1...6-02-Sale-P.htm

intersting, but RM66 more expensive compaied to SanDisk X300
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of the three, relatively speaking, kingston fury is the slowest; while samsung 750 evo 120gb has the lowest guaranteed endurance of 35tb tbw. (x300 has 72tb; kingston has the highest, 2.75dwpd)

for common use and as a os drive only, value/entry-level ssds should be good enough. your main concern is apparently about costs only, so just get sandisk.

how did you get the difference of MYR66 between 750 evo and x300?

QUOTE(blibala @ Feb 20 2016, 08:19 AM)
For ssd can i create partitions like using hdd such as OS partition and data partition? Others say it will shorten the lifespan and decrease the performance.. Is that true?
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you can, but it's really not optimal. the main advantage of ssd is speed, but it's very expensive per gb, while for hdd is space and affordable (hence much cheaper to replace). a better option for personal computing is to use ssd for os and applications, while hdd is used for downloads and storage. this way you can have good speed and more space for your os and applications, while you still can have large storage space. (best of both worlds)

about that myth (partitioning can cut ssd's shelf life by half), it doesn't make sense, because ssd's shelf life depends on your usage. use it as os/apps drives, your ssd can actually last for a long time (like more than 5 years). but if you use it for daily downloads, which involve a lot of writes (downloading, and then moving the downloads to external storage to free up space), then it will definitely have impacts.

edit: you might have heard that 'ssd has a limited shelf life'. actually that statement is misleading. believe me, most people who don't do enough research will tell you that, while there are already proofs that showed how endure a ssd is smile.gif




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Haha i forecast next year 1tb ssd will cheaper than 1tb hdd or 2018 laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 20 2016, 10:10 AM)
of the three, relatively speaking, kingston fury is the slowest; while samsung 750 evo 120gb has the lowest guaranteed endurance of 35tb tbw. (x300 has 72tb; kingston has the highest, 2.75dwpd)

for common use and as a os drive only, value/entry-level ssds should be good enough. your main concern is apparently about costs only, so just get sandisk.

how did you get the difference of MYR66 between 750 evo and x300?

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RM 239
Samsung 750 EVO 120GB SSD- New model (540/520mb/s)
http://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-750-evo-1...6-02-Sale-P.htm


RM183 after voucher = RM 211 SanDisk X300 after voucher (apps only CNY28) RM183 !![SIZE=7]
http://www.lazada.com.my/genuine-128gb-san...sd-1790261.html

after voucher RM181 Kingston also cheap (-RM28 lazada voucher)

ops typo its RM56 difference sandisk vs samsung not RM66.

kingston said its tlc chip and sanforce controller i though thouse not as good?
sandisk x300 business class i think its tlc too? marvel controller?
samsung 750 evo, 3d nan? controller?

can i say sandisk > kingston any day? in terms of reliable failure rate.
kingston very popular in malaysia,
amazon kingston not so popular, same as scandisk, samsung rulls all by huge margin.
samsung is expensive otherwise i would had choose it

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post Feb 20 2016, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Feb 20 2016, 03:32 PM)
kingston said its tlc chip and sanforce controller i though thouse not as good?
sandisk x300 business class i think its tlc too? marvel controller?
samsung 750 evo, 3d nan? controller?

can i say sandisk > kingston any day? in terms of reliable failure rate.
kingston very popular in malaysia,
amazon kingston not so popular, same as scandisk, samsung rulls all by huge margin.
samsung is expensive otherwise i would had choose it
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kingston fury uses mlc nand (but a much slower type); x300 and 750 evo uses tlc. sandforce controller is an old controller but old doesn't mean bad. it's proven to be reliable after all previous bugs were fixed. the disadvantage is that it's slower compared to modern controllers.

they are all entry-level drives, so it's normal that they use cheapest parts to reduce costs. by performance ratings, they are the least performing compared to other classes. (if you used performance ssds before, you can feel that instantly) but the main point that you should care is still they're better than hdd. also, good or not is kind of relative and subjective. in terms of failure return rates, in general, kingston is slightly better than sandisk according to some reports (just behind the top 2, intel and samsung).

like i said, if your main concern is about price, go for the cheapest one. the simple rule of 'you get what you pay for' usually applies in ssd purchases. it's a give-and-take thing.

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post Feb 21 2016, 08:56 PM

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Hi there.. I just bought samsung 850 pro 256gb.. Planning to partition half for os n software..the other half for 2-3 games..
Is it recommended/ok/good?
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post Feb 22 2016, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Feb 21 2016, 08:56 PM)
Hi there.. I just bought samsung 850 pro 256gb.. Planning to partition half for os n software..the other half for 2-3 games..
Is it recommended/ok/good?
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although it's better to use a single partition, yeah you can do that. just treat it like a hdd in terms of partitioning.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Feb 14 2016, 11:07 PM)
How nice !  rclxms.gif

IT guy or no IT guy, if I want one, I have to get it on my own unfortunately.  sad.gif
Finally made the move to NVMe
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Before: Kingston HyperX Savage 240GB x 2 running RAID 0
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post Feb 29 2016, 12:52 PM

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any SSD around 240gb++ at RM300 recommendation? thanks
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Feb 29 2016, 12:52 PM)
any SSD around 240gb++ at RM300 recommendation? thanks
Apacer AS330:
http://www.lelong.com.my/apacer-2-5-sata-i...6-04-Sale-P.htm

Kingston HyperX Fury
http://www.lelong.com.my/kingston-hyperx-f...6-09-Sale-P.htm
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Flash Reliability in Production: The Expected and the Unexpected

a over-6-year study at google data center revealed interesting things. note that if you read that paper without setting the scope right, you will get a totally wrong idea about ssd reliability.

for the record, the key conclusions summarized by others are as follows:
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- Ignore Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate (UBER) specs. A meaningless number.
- Good news: Raw Bit Error Rate (RBER) increases slower than expected from wearout and is not correlated with UBER or other failures.
- High-end SLC drives are no more reliable that MLC drives.
- Bad news: SSDs fail at a lower rate than disks, but UBER rate is higher.
- SSD age, not usage, affects reliability.
- Bad blocks in new SSDs are common, and drives with a large number of bad blocks are much more likely to lose hundreds of other blocks, most likely due to die or chip failure.
- 30-80 percent of SSDs develop at least one bad block and 2-7 percent develop at least one bad chip in the first four years of deployment.
don't panic. the whole scenario is about ssd in data centers (which get hammered everyday during their service). for personal computing it's entirely different, especially the part that age, not usage, affects reliability imo.

however, if you're still worried, the ancient but still very useful practice, i.e. backup with hdd, still help in most situations.

sources:
- the actual paper, http://0b4af6cdc2f0c5998459-c0245c5c937c5d...s-schroeder.pdf
- https://www.techpowerup.com/220432/high-end...ogle-study.html
- https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/4...ty_in_the_data/
- http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/mlc-ssds-...ays-google.html
- http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=38062177
- http://www.overclock.net/t/1592948/tpu-hig...lc-google-study
- http://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/4...experience.html



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