Starting a Catholic thread here as the other Christian forum is too generic and more towards Protestantism.

Welcome Catholics and whoever is interested in Catholic Christianity.

Since it is the penitential season of Lent, here's a video on the chant to Our Lady for compline during this season (simple tone):



Hope everyone have a holy and blessed Lent!

.... I think Jedi would love it

Happy Lent. Remember to abstain from meat on friday

Kyrie, eleison

Perhaps some introduction and which parish you belong to and which one you frequent. Belonging actually refers to the territorial parish (TP) which you are residing in, which might not be the same one you frequent for Mass (FL - frequent location).

I'll start with myself.

yeeck - TP: Our Lady of Guadalupe Puchong. FL: Sacred Heart, KL.
pkh - TP/FL : Saint Thomas More, SJ. Most likely can see me during weddings. Have assited over a hundred of them.
rayng18 - TP: Our Lady of Guadalupe Puchong. FL: Assumption, PJ.
khool - TP/FL : St. Ignatius Church, PJ. Occassionally Kristus Aman Chapel TTDI, Our Lady of Guadalupe Puchong.
acam2812 - TP : St. Joseph Sentul. FL: St Joseph Sentul, St. John Cathedral, St. Anthony, St. Ignatius, Holy Rosary, Divine Mercy Shah Alam.
solder_joint - TP : St Henry Batu Pahat. FL: St Henry Batu Pahat, Stella Maris Tg Aru, St Joseph Victoria St Singapore.
Jared Leto - FL: Church of the Assumption, PJ. Serving as a musician for every Sunday mass. (yet to be baptized)
sp6068 - TP/FL: Divine Mercy Shah Alam.
isildur88 - TP: Holy Trinity, Tawau. FL: Our Lady of Guadalupe, Puchong.
Marcus- TP/FL : St. Francis Xavier, PJ. For Silent Adoration, I often go to St. Thomas More, Subang Jaya.
mindslicer81- TP: Immaculate Conception, Pulau Tikus. FL: Immaculate Conception, Assumption, Holy Spirit (Penang)
roscha - TP/FL: Sacred Heart Cathedral, Kota Kinabalu

This post has been edited by yeeck: Jul 11 2016, 11:58 PM

Yeeck, good suggestion. Lemme add to the list.

pkh - TP/FL : Saint Thomas More. Most likely can see me during weddings. Have assited over a hundred of them.

Jedi? What Star Wars?

Why do Catholic abstain from eating meat on Friday?

Lol. I meant the nick Jedi. He used to frequent our thread. He was catholic.

Oh...

You mean he's not Catholic anymore?

Is Catholic the predominant denomination in Malaysia?

Sorry, I'm a noob.

Catholics is the first Christianity religion after Christ ascended to heaven, With Apostle Simon Peter as the first pope

while Protestantism is branched out from Catholics with totally different view from Catholics

Ohhh...But Catholics have extra chapters in their Bible.

Plus why do they pray to the dead and the Saints? I thought Canonized Saints are mostly man made appointment?

i am not sure you have to ask yeeck about it

And why do they pray to Mary?

yeeck mind to answer these questions please?

The so-called extra books (not chapters) are called the Deuterocanonical books that are used not only in the Catholic Church but also in the Eastern Churches. Too bad most Protestants reject it, because some of it contains or talks about things not believed by Protestants, such as praying for the repose of the dead and Purgatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books

We pray to the saints and Mary, because we believe they are spiritually alive and enjoying the beatific vision of God in Heaven, and can intercede for us to God, just like any other humans who prays for us, but even better because the saints are special friends of God Himself. Just to be certain, we do not worship Mary or the saints in the same manner as we worship God, for even worship have varying degrees expressed in the following Greek terms:

Latria - the supreme worship due only to God.
Dulia - veneration due to the other saints
Hyperdulia - veneration due to the Blessed Virgin Mary (thus the addition of hyper because Mary is the most perfect model of all the saints)

Hope this helps.

Can't resist in posting this beautiful image of Confession since it is the penitential season of Lent. Remember to make a good and sincere confession, yo!

Abstinence (besides fasting) is a form of penance in honor of the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross on the first Good Friday.

one question ? why do we have idols in catholic church ? just want to hear your view on this.

We have statues, and images of holy things, but that doesn't make it an idol. They help to remind us about the eternal things. Also to many it helps to focus our prayers. Catholics are not supposed to worship the statues as if the statues have any power in itself. Unlike idols which people of some religions say if broken, it means their god is broken (sic), if a Catholic accidentally breaks a holy statue or image, no big deal, just get another replacement. We don't believe things like bad luck if that happens, because that would be a sin of superstition, against the First Commandment.

Many articles have been written to refute this. One of it here: Do Catholics Worship Statues?

To many, out of sight is out of mind. Anyway, let the pictures do the talking to show my point:





This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 5 2015, 12:41 AM

Thanks

Went to Assumption church PJ morning mass nowadays

I did go to Our Lady Of Guadalupe in Puchong which is very near my house but I find the mass is too lenghty so prefer to go further to Assumption PJ morning mass. Previously will go to either Holy Rosary or Our Lady of Fatima in Brickfields (Baptism until confirmation all in Holy Rosary church)

Nope, he is a staunch catholic. That was a period of time in V5 .... I think .... there was a debate going on

I am just saying that he will have like to have a thread like this

Predominant? I am not so sure. It might be Methodist. I could be wrong.

Catholicism ... A faith most oftenly misunderstoood. The whole "praying to Mary" thingy is just like how Christmas is defined by general public. Here's an example:

Kid : Mommy, what's Christmas?
Mom : Christmas is for Christians to celebrate Santa Claus and presents.

And the kid gew up thinking Christmas is all presents, party and booze. But if you attend a Christmas Vigil mass or Christmas Day mass, there's no sign of Santa Claus. There's no Jingle Bells. Now let's apply the same conversation to Mary:

Kid : Mommy, what are Catholics?
Mom : Catholics worship Mary

Just like how people confuse between WiFi and Internet.

According to Wikipedia:

As of 2010, there are 1,007,643[4] Catholics in Malaysia - approximately 3.56% of the total population.

Roman Catholicism in Malaysia

As for Methodists:

The Methodist Church in Malaysia is a body within the Methodist tradition in Malaysia. With approximately 200,000 members in more than 1034 congregations (local and preaching points), it is the largest Protestant denomination in the country.

Methodist Church in Malaysia

Sunday Mass at OLG lengthy? Like what? 3 hours? LOL....

Ah ... I stand corrected. Thanks.

at least 1.5hrs. Normal mass only 1hr, by the time it finishes already almost noon

If it's Sunday I don't mind 1.5 hrs since we are to dedicate Sundays to the Lord. Did you know that an average Divine Liturgy of the Byzantine Rite is between 2-4 hours?

Are you in charge or flowers or music or serving??

Music. Not choir, but the technical aspects. If in the future, you attend a wedding in STM, look to the front left where the choir area is. If you see a tall skinny guy with glasses and headphones, that's me. Around 70% chance I'll be there unless there's like 3 weddings for that weekend. Fr Simon did ask me "when is my turn". Back then, I replied "after a 100 more weddings". Now my statement is gonna bite me back.

IC, I went to STM once several months ago for the Kevin Allen workshop afternoon session. There was a wedding before that and I was observing Kevin conducting a choir singing Gabrieli's Missa Brevis. Beautiful singing. Probably you were there for that wedding...lol.

Ah, Kevin. Yup. Still remember him. The workshop. And the special 'vegetarian' menu. I was involved in the backstage work. Was the one manning the sound system when the group did the mass.

You may have seen me coming in during the early session when they had some kind of laptop problem. A guy walked in, tweaked the settings, snapped his fingers, and went off.

Similarly, the Chinese words for Christianity 基督教 (jidujiao) is normally used here to refer to Protestant Christianity rather than Christianity as a whole, while Catholicism is called 天主教 (tianzhujiao - literally translated to "Teaching of the Master of Heaven"). By right a Catholic is a Christian and a Christian is a Catholic.

The word catholic (with lowercase c; derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal"[1][2]) comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou), meaning "on the whole", "according to the whole" or "in general", and is a combination of the Greek words κατά meaning "about" and ὅλος meaning "whole".[3][4] The word in English can mean either "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing" or "of the Roman Catholic faith" as "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church.".[5] ("Catholicos, the title used for the head of some churches in Eastern Christian traditions, is derived from the same linguistic origin.)

The term Catholic (usually written with uppercase C in English) was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope. In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages.

The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that St Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

Theodosius I, Emperor from 379 to 395, declared "Catholic" Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, declaring in the Edict of Thessalonica of 27 February 380:

It is our desire that all the various nations which are subject to our clemency and moderation, should continue the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter, as it has been preserved by faithful tradition and which is now professed by the Pontiff Damasus and by Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, a man of apostolic holiness. According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one Deity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since in our judgment they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics, and shall not presume to give their conventicles the name of churches. They will suffer in the first place the chastisement of the divine condemnation, and in the second the punishment which our authority, in accordance with the will of heaven, will decide to inflict.[18] Theodosian Code XVI.i.2

Only slightly later, Saint Augustine of Hippo (354–430) also used the term "Catholic" to distinguish the "true" church from heretical groups:

In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15–19), down to the present episcopate.

And so, lastly, does the very name of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house.

Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church, as it is right they should ... With you, where there is none of these things to attract or keep me... No one shall move me from the faith which binds my mind with ties so many and so strong to the Christian religion... For my part, I should not believe the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church. —St. Augustine (354–430): Against the Epistle of Manichaeus called Fundamental, chapter 4: Proofs of the Catholic Faith.

— St. Augustine (354–430): Against the Epistle of Manichaeus called Fundamental, chapter 4: Proofs of the Catholic Faith.[19]

A contemporary of Augustine, St. Vincent of Lerins, wrote in 434 (under the pseudonym Peregrinus) a work known as the Commonitoria ("Memoranda"). While insisting that, like the human body, church doctrine develops while truly keeping its identity (sections 54-59, chapter XXIII),[20] he stated:

"In the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense 'catholic,' which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors" (section 6, end of chapter II).[21]

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 5 2015, 01:14 PM

I only saw their rehearsal, not their actual singing during the Mass itself.

Not only branched out but at least 1400+ years late to the scene..lol.

Yeap correct but no need go until that point lar just keep it simple will do

Hi,

Fellow Catholic, khool, reporting in;

khool - TP/FL : St. Ignatius Church, PJ
- Occassionally KA Chapel
- Occassionally Our Lady of Guadalupe, Puchong

The Lord be with you Guys!!!

Interesting, I just noticed that KA Chapel is at a shoplot in TTDI. Never been there before. Is it a rented place?

Are you Catholic?

Whoa! I too didn't know KA is a shoplot in TTDI. Well, back in the old days, CKK used to be a shoplot too. Then converted to badminton court. Then converted to building. Journey worth remembering.

Hi there,

Kind of, used to be that they occupied three whole lots, now down to two lots. The one that was given up is the rented one, the other two lots belong to KA parishioners themselves ... I think ...

nope i am not but i do know about a little about catholic ethic and way of worship as I've entered a catholic church once during my friend wedding

Would like to experience one. Do you know any church that celebrates it in Klang Valley (or in Malaysia for that matter) ?

I don't know of any in Malaysia since there are no Byzantine Rite eparchies in this region. I do hear there's a Russian Orthodox chapel run either by Russian expats or by the Russian embassy in KL. On the other hand, there are Traditional Latin Masses (TLM or commonly called Tridentine) celebrated by the SSPX in Sg Buloh which uses the Missale Romanum 1962. On average a usual Sunday TLM depending on the length of the sermon could be somewhere between 1.5hrs to 2hrs.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 6 2015, 11:20 PM

Window To Heaven (How to Create an Icon)

For those who have watched Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ, here's an appropriate video for this Lenten season which is a meditation on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, with scenes from the movie interspersed with scenes from Holy Mass.



This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 6 2015, 01:44 PM

Yeah... I miss Jedi too hahaha... I wonder why Jedi didn't start Chatolic thread earlier...

duplicate

This post has been edited by de1929: Mar 6 2015, 03:53 PM

I'm from east malaysia currently staying at Sentul
TP/FL:
In KL -
St. Joseph Sentul,
St. John Cathedral,
St. Anthony,
St. Ignatius,
Church of Holy Rosary, (near to workplace for morning mass)
Church of Divine Mercy (Frequent)

In Sibu
St Mary Church

But I think the figures might not be correct given the huge megachurches sprouting up (especially of the Charismatic/Evangelical type), some of which I don't even know are affiliated with which particular denomination.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 6 2015, 09:27 PM

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This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 6 2015, 09:18 PM

Those would be the non-denominational type right?

Another catholic here.. From Sabah, Stella Maris church Tg.Aru.. currently taking my master degree in batu pahat.. Now I attend mass in St Henry Batu Pahat and once a month in St Joseph Victoria Street, Singapore for Traditional Latin Mass/Extraordinary Form mass

Errm I wonder what is non-denominational since they certainly have some creed right? If not affiliated with any of the better known denominations, then that makes them yet another denomination.

Are you Shurl?

Yes, precisely ... like you I always wondered what does the term itself mean? I know of one, tNCC. They claim to be non-denom.

does catholic follows what the pope says ? just curious

Catholics don't believe that the pope is a divine being. However, the teaching of papal infallibility says that the Holy Spirit will protect the Pope from error when defining an article of faith intending to bind all the faithful.

For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles. Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this See of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: "I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren." - Pastor Aeternus.

Of course we believe the Pope is human and can make mistakes, but not when he intends to bind all the faithful to believe in an article of faith. For example, Pope John Paul II teaching that the Church has no power to ordain women. Or Pope Pius XII defining the dogma of the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, which is not a new teaching but has always been believed by the Church for ages.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 9 2015, 04:10 PM

okay cool thanks... so its just a fore figure for Catholics then ?

Not sure what you mean by fore figure.

For the record, the Pope's infallibility only extends to 'ex-Cathedra', i.e. he needs to be sitting in the chair of St. Peter in the Cathedral when pronouncing doctrine.

His pronunciations must be based on Church documents, encyclicals, papal bulls, and especially the Catechism of the Catholic Church. In addition, the college of Cardinals and Synods must be held before these pronunciation are made. And always, all these must be related to matters of Christian / Catholic faith.

Outside of that circumstance, he can still be subject to human error.

Not just a fore (figure) head, the succession of Popes trace all the way back to St. Peter. He is considered the first, and therefore, Prince of the Apostles of Christ. This is an unbroken lineage.

To be appointed Pope today, is akin to being appointed by Christ Himself. Hence the term, "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" ... where the term 'Apostolic' refers to this appointment.

This post has been edited by khool: Mar 9 2015, 04:28 PM

Ermm....ex-Cathedra is the Latin meaning from the chair, but it doesn't necessarily mean he needs to be actually sitting down on his throne.

It is not correct to say that he must consult the college of Cardinals and Synods before pronouncing anything infallibly. The power of the Pope is even above that of Ecumenical Councils, Cardinals, Synods. It just needs to be related to matters of faith and morals and in accordance with the the constant Tradition of the Church or Scripture.

See The Pope

Picture of Pius XII defining the Assumption of Mary:


Picture of Pius IX defining the Immaculate Conception:


This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 9 2015, 04:38 PM

That is true, he can make pronunciations solo, that is his right, however if the pope were to announce that tomorrow day is night and night is day, everyone would not be obligated to listen to him.

... but as a matter of Sacred Tradition, that is Tradition with a capital "T", such pronunciations are made from the Chair, with counsel from the College of Cardinals and Synods.

This post has been edited by khool: Mar 9 2015, 04:38 PM

Yes but if he defines tomorrow day is night and night is day, that is not related to faith and morals.

hence the term, ex-cathedra ... matters only related to Christianity.

Oooh ... I like the second painting ... who is the artist???

No idea, I just grabbed it from Google image lol...

hahaha! no worries ... still cool!

Found it:



by Francesco Podesti. The image is currently in the Vatican Museum. Here's another perspective:



This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 9 2015, 05:27 PM

Yeeck ... thanks bro! Much appreciated!

A well-sung and well-known hymn sung in Catholic churches during Lent.

may i ask ... If Pope declares war against something else (i mean war using guns and tanks)... His decision are considered righteous correct ?

You think the present Pope still have a big territories (Papal States) and army now? LOL....

If you are referring to the First Crusades preached by Urban II, then it was a response to the Muslim invasion and occupation of Jerusalem and the harassment of pilgrims going to the Holy Places.

Also this is not part of faith and morals so his actions would be dependent on whether they are based on just war theory, self defence, etc.

Now that you mentioned this topic, I think a Crusade is relevant now to repel ISIS based on what they have been doing so far. But that would be far-fetched considering the international political scene today.

hahaha... i am referring to word papal infallibility.

I think when pope has instruction from Holy Spirit to do declare war like my point above, then people should think that under provision of Holy Spirit, there will be a supplies of need and blessing (of course additional tanks n guns ).... why ? cuz it's HS that gives instruction.

what do u think ?

As mentioned above it has nothing to do with infallibility. It should be considered in the light of Church teaching on just war, self-defence, etc. If someone claims he or she has instructions from the Holy Spirit, etc, then there must be an unmistakable sign to prove that. The Catholic Church is very particular about alleged miracles, signs, prophecies. All these are judged by the Church in light of constant Church teaching, Sacred Tradition, Scripture... to be sure that there are no diabolical forces at work.

so if pope (not someone else), who is with bestowed papal infallibility, got instruction from HS about declaring a war, will the church still consider pope instruction ?

How do you know he got instruction from HS? And certainly have to consider based on the principles mentioned earlier.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 12:53 PM

Yo Catholic brothers and sisters, today is the beginning of the nine-day novena (up till his feast day on March 18) to Saint Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, and Protector of the Holy Family.




Novena to
St. Joseph

*NOVENA PRAYER
*(prayer to be said at the end of each day's devotion)

Saint Joseph, I, your unworthy child, greet you. You are the faithful protector and intercessor of all who love and venerate you. You know that I have special confidence in you and that, after Jesus and Mary, I place all my hope of salvation in you, for you are especially powerful with God and will never abandon your faithful servants. Therefore I humbly invoke you and commend myself, with all who are dear to me and all that belong to me, to your intercession. I beg of you, by your love for Jesus and Mary, not to abandon me during life and to assist me at the hour of my death.

Glorious Saint Joseph, spouse of the Immaculate Virgin, obtain for me a pure, humble, charitable mind, and perfect resignation to the divine Will. Be my guide, my father, and my model through life that I may merit to die as you did in the arms of Jesus and Mary.

Loving Saint Joseph, faithful follower of Jesus Christ, I raise my heart to you to implore your powerful intercession in obtaining from the Divine Heart of Jesus all the graces necessary for my spiritual and temporal welfare, particularly the grace of a happy death, and the special grace I now implore:

(Mention your request).

Guardian of the Word Incarnate, I feel confident that your prayers in my behalf will be graciously heard before the throne of God. Amen.

MEMORARE
Remember, most pure spouse of Mary, ever Virgin, my loving protector, Saint Joseph, that no one ever had recourse to your protection or asked for your aid without obtaining relief. Confiding, therefore, in your goodness, I come before you and humbly implore you. Despise not my petitions, foster-father of the Redeemer, but graciously receive them. Amen.

Source: EWTN

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 12:57 PM

Just trust. If we have to consider "principles mentioned earlier".... then it's difficult to trust isn't it ?
Who are we to examine pope ?

God gave you a mind to think reasonably too..lol.

Let me give an analogy. If a politician tells you to that he intends to table a motion for a particular law in Parliament, certainly he also has to present facts and figures in order to get support.

Same goes for your question since the issue at hand is not related to Faith or morals, but to prudential judgement which needs to be determined based on the principles mentioned before. Back to your supposed scenario, if the principles of just war, self-defense etc are fulfilled, then I don't see any reason not to agree. But if I see those principles are not fulfilled, then yes, a Catholic may disagree and still remain a faithful Catholic.

A recent case was the invasion of Iraq by the US forces to overthrow Saddam Hussein. President Bush claimed it was due to chemical/nuclear weapons etc, but then Pope John Paul II was very much against the invasion because the principles of just war is just not there. There was no evidence of chemical/nuclear weapons in the aftermath of the invasion and the situation of Iraq just proved that the Pope was right.

On the other hand, those who claimed the invasion was justified because of Saddam's 'potential' of having chemical/nuclear weapons cannot be defended because that would be falling into the sin of presumption.

Hope this helps.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 02:43 PM

dude... do you know in a simple political arena... we just let the people know what they need to know... that's the 1st point.

2nd point: nobody knows the whole truth except GOD himself. I bet... not all truth is published in google.

3rd point: How do you know that Amazon.com will not reveal another truth tomorrow ? in essence, only GOD possess tomorrow and knows what will happen tomorrow... divine being maaa

Therefore i choose to humble, if pope claims himself he got instruction from HS ... then i just obey.

For your 1st point, you assume that there would be no questions?

2nd point: Yes, but God can choose to reveal the truth to whomever He wants and in the manner that He has said. No contradictions there.

I don't understand your 3rd point and how it relates to Amazon.com. I agree that only God knows what will happen tomorrow. But I don't see what you are trying to drive at with what we are talking about.

Humility vs. willful ignorance vs. stupidity are vastly different things, you know?

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 03:17 PM

point no 3 is something relates to future, but irrational for today. But if you don't do it today, then the utopia future will not happen.

This is where all smart people fails to see, because for "smart people": today is irrational therefore future is out of question.

I have been revealed that trust to GOD does look stupid for "smart people".

"You have been revealed"? What is that supposed to mean? Are you claiming to be a prophet? Also..it seems you are equating humble people with stupid people. Sheesh.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 04:03 PM

errr ... bro Yeeck, perhaps he means 'It has been revealed ...', might be a typo?

This post has been edited by khool: Mar 10 2015, 04:22 PM

oh sorry... i have been revealed meaning i just learned recently. nothing more.

claiming to be prophet... definitely no.

equating humble people with stupid people... no... actually the other thinking , which is equating "smart people" with stupid people. how come ? because the one that obey GOD (in this context, by listening to pope messages to declare war)... looks stupid but actually these stupid people are the smart people.

so i don't equate humble people with stupid people... btw do you mind point out which post i equate humble people with stupid people ? perhaps i overlook something. i will apology if i equate humble people with stupid people.

This post has been edited by de1929: Mar 10 2015, 04:47 PM

Alright, how can you be sure that GOD revealed it to so and so? It will be the same question I ask every Protestant regarding the founding of their various churches/denominations/sects.

Every Christian ought not to be simply taken for a ride.

"Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

"Who said: Take heed you be not seduced; for many will come in my name, saying, I am he; and the time is at hand: go ye not therefore after them. " Luke 21:8

"Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves." Matthew 10:16

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 05:14 PM

Well, Protestant does have problems cuz they don't have pope right ? so the term papal infallibility does not apply to them.

what i think, you can count your blessing as chatolic believes that pope can hear to HS. Therefore chatolic can spend time to do other things instead of trying to listen to HS. Outsourcing maaa

Do you know how many problems non catholic have because they don't have pope ? therefore because they cannot listen to HS like pope, they have to come out with sooooooooooooooooooooo many rules / ethics code to justify all their action. Pitty isn't it ?