.... I think Jedi would love it

Lol. I meant the nick Jedi. He used to frequent our thread. He was catholic.

Nope, he is a staunch catholic. That was a period of time in V5 .... I think .... there was a debate going on

I am just saying that he will have like to have a thread like this

Predominant? I am not so sure. It might be Methodist. I could be wrong.

Ah ... I stand corrected. Thanks.

Why are you resurrecting old threads?

Holiness, an attribute of God's nature, is by definition what separates God from everything else. God alone is holy (Rev. 15:4). Thus, when we are sanctified, that is, when we are made holy (Eph. 1:4; Col. 1:22), we participate in that which sets God apart from everything else - His holiness. This participation is our deification.

But if thou dost not believe the prophets, but supposest both the men and the fire a myth, the Lord Himself shall speak to thee, “who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery, to be equal with God, but humbled Himself,” [Phil. 2:6-7]—He, the merciful God, exerting Himself to save man. And now the Word Himself clearly speaks to thee, shaming thy unbelief; yea, I say, the Word of God became man, that thou mayest learn from a man how man may become God. (Protreptikos 2)

And thou shalt possess an immortal body, even one placed beyond the possibility of corruption, just like the soul. And thou shalt receive the kingdom of heaven, thou who, whilst thou didst sojourn in this life, didst know the Celestial King. And thou shalt be a companion of the Deity, and a co-heir with Christ, no longer enslaved by lusts or passions, and never again wasted by disease. For thou hast become God....And provided thou obeyest His solemn injunctions, and becomest a faithful follower of Him Who is good, thou shalt resemble Him, inasmuch as thou shalt have honour conferred upon thee by Him. For the Deity, (by condescension,) does not diminish aught of the dignity of His divine perfection; having made thee even God unto His glory! (Refutation of All Heresies, Bk. X, ch. 30)

Athanasius : "For He was made man that we might be made God" (De Incarnatione 54:3)."

"Therefore He was not man, and then became God, but He was God, and then became man, and that to deify us." (Four Discourses against the Arians, Discourse I, sec. 39)

For therefore the union was of this kind, that He might unite what is man by nature to Him who is in the nature of the Godhead, and his salvation and deification might be sure. (Four Discourses against the Arians, Discourse II, sec. 70)



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You might want to take anything from worldtruth.tv with a grain of salt.

first time I heard of Triclavianism

LOL.


The three major perspectives on grace, Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant, have much to do with their respective views regarding the creation of humankind and its immediate fall. For all perspectives, grace helps humankind out of its predicament; grace is the answer to the fall of man. But because each perspective views the effects of the fall differently, each defines grace differently.

The Orthodox view is at one extreme, the Protestant at the other, and the Catholic in between.

A) For the Orthodox, humankind is naturally endued with grace at creation (image of God). The fall, though pervasive and disastrous, is not seen by the Orthodox as so extensive that human beings cannot choose and even act in accordance with God's good pleasure. They are as free as the original Adam and Eve and can equally turn away or toward God. And free will needs to be exercised. But it is still not enough, thus grace comes to work "alongside" humans to fill up the lack. So, Grace is like God's Aide.

B) At the other extreme is the classic Protestant Reformation view of a fall of humankind that is perhaps not completely obliterating but for all practical purposes incapacitating or helpless.

The human being is now unable to choose God and His salvation because even the human will has been deadened and is now dysfunctional. Men will or cannot even choose God.

In answer to this wretched situation, Christ manifested His grace to humankind by dying for the sins of humanity. Those whom He has chosen for His salvation He draws unilaterally to Himself, strengthening their wills to believe that He accepts them based not on anything that they have done or can do but solely on the merit of Christ's righteous person and His work on the cross. Grace is God as the sole and external Agent who regards the fallen human being through the view of the very perfect Christ, who died for them.


C) Between these two extremes is the Catholic notion of an infused grace that comes to a humankind which, through the fall, lost its ability to attain salvation but not its freedom to choose God. It is an enabling grace that does not simply impute righteousness but rather empowers its willing recipients to produce works which manifest the quality of the faith within. Faith alongside these grace-energized works justifies the repenting sinner in this Catholic view. Grace is God as the cooperating, internal Agent, there to inwardly help the believers' efforts to meet the demands of God for salvation.


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Each perspective grasps a certain layer of truth. It is a pity that there is not a synthesis for a higher definition of grace that will uplifts us out of this.
















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Ah ya, brother. I am not defending Luther, but at least, verify those quotes first since they are usually taken out of context. Worst form of character assassination XD

You can read from here: http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.my/2...etter-than.html

The tag link also covered a few of the other quotes.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Nov 1 2016, 06:12 PM