Yeah... I miss Jedi too hahaha... I wonder why Jedi didn't start Chatolic thread earlier...

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This post has been edited by de1929: Mar 6 2015, 03:53 PM

may i ask ... If Pope declares war against something else (i mean war using guns and tanks)... His decision are considered righteous correct ?

hahaha... i am referring to word papal infallibility.

I think when pope has instruction from Holy Spirit to do declare war like my point above, then people should think that under provision of Holy Spirit, there will be a supplies of need and blessing (of course additional tanks n guns ).... why ? cuz it's HS that gives instruction.

what do u think ?

so if pope (not someone else), who is with bestowed papal infallibility, got instruction from HS about declaring a war, will the church still consider pope instruction ?

Just trust. If we have to consider "principles mentioned earlier".... then it's difficult to trust isn't it ?
Who are we to examine pope ?

dude... do you know in a simple political arena... we just let the people know what they need to know... that's the 1st point.

2nd point: nobody knows the whole truth except GOD himself. I bet... not all truth is published in google.

3rd point: How do you know that Amazon.com will not reveal another truth tomorrow ? in essence, only GOD possess tomorrow and knows what will happen tomorrow... divine being maaa

Therefore i choose to humble, if pope claims himself he got instruction from HS ... then i just obey.

point no 3 is something relates to future, but irrational for today. But if you don't do it today, then the utopia future will not happen.

This is where all smart people fails to see, because for "smart people": today is irrational therefore future is out of question.

I have been revealed that trust to GOD does look stupid for "smart people".

oh sorry... i have been revealed meaning i just learned recently. nothing more.

claiming to be prophet... definitely no.

equating humble people with stupid people... no... actually the other thinking , which is equating "smart people" with stupid people. how come ? because the one that obey GOD (in this context, by listening to pope messages to declare war)... looks stupid but actually these stupid people are the smart people.

so i don't equate humble people with stupid people... btw do you mind point out which post i equate humble people with stupid people ? perhaps i overlook something. i will apology if i equate humble people with stupid people.

This post has been edited by de1929: Mar 10 2015, 04:47 PM

Well, Protestant does have problems cuz they don't have pope right ? so the term papal infallibility does not apply to them.

what i think, you can count your blessing as chatolic believes that pope can hear to HS. Therefore chatolic can spend time to do other things instead of trying to listen to HS. Outsourcing maaa

Do you know how many problems non catholic have because they don't have pope ? therefore because they cannot listen to HS like pope, they have to come out with sooooooooooooooooooooo many rules / ethics code to justify all their action. Pitty isn't it ?

oh i see... i was under impression only Pope can hear from HS. Apparently i was wrong.

Test the spirit ? LOL ... ... only GOD can test the spirit on your behalf. The idea is, humans never be the expert of the spirit, therefore you need another spirit to test another spirit. And only HS is available to test the spirit.

And in other thread you say "But let God be the judge. Not us."... but here you say "provide you guys with a dose of brain numbing entertainment"... You are a very gud judge indeed

This post has been edited by de1929: Mar 11 2015, 03:48 PM

Test the spirit is correct. But how ? by reading the bible ? or by asking another spirit.

let's assume this: we are both not a car expert nor car mechanics. How we gonna test a work from another mechanics ? by asking another QC from another mechanics or governing bodies or something else right ?

Human lives max 120 years... how many years has spirit live ? 1000000 years may i assume ? who can comprehends spirit knowledge ? our bachelor degree ? our googling ?

Yes it's true that 1 John 4:1 say like that, but Proverbs 3:5 also say: Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

That summarizes, whatever human do to test the spirit will never be good enough, therefore don't do "human way aka reasearch / study", but Trust in the LORD.

if you ask as a scholar, asking empirical evidence. i don't know.

But there is another approach. By faith.

Hebrew 11:6 -- And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

and for chatholic: You have pope ...

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back to our other topic : Do i believe in bible ?
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I believe in bible 100%.

Now becareful, bible does not give you direct answer, nor yes no nor summary about testing every kind of evil spirit. It just give you 1 solution. Ask GOD.

One 1 side / or 1 point of view: evil spirit has "expertise" and different spirit has different expertise.
there is one good at sexual temptation,
there is one good at corruption,
there is one good at doing divisive works,
there is one doing bad mouthing,
there is one doing bad habits,
there is one doing killing,
etc...
And because these spirit lives at least... 10000 years... they are very good at doing their expertise ... no phd able to comprehend their expertise right ?

I hope this explain why i say test the spirit by Asking GOD himself. Because we are very limited in everything. Being positive is another things, but realize 1 thing also another thing.

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i am improving my ears, to hear GOD... and i don't mind learning from Catholic teachers like you.

But if you tell me to read bible to hear GOD then i am sorry, that one i can google easily. no need teachers.

including you (continuing from my previous reply)

scripture means bible ? or something else ? also i heard there are apocrypha something like that...

christian lahh... but still learning to listen to GOD...

I have my own forum:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3484794

My message is clear, malaysia for JESUS: be it from catholic or something else. So my church ? i don't mind bringing ppl to catholic curch, if the person can "click" in catholic church....

not rules, but "click"... ah i don't know how to translate "click" actually... perhaps you can put in better english.

i want to win soul, and park in catholic church. that's the 1st step. what do u think hahhaa