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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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alexwsk
post Aug 23 2017, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(hawk1lo @ Aug 23 2017, 08:40 AM)
Looking forward to this too. My fren mentioned suggested to have it clean by specialist because they know which part to cover/protect and at Klang. Interested to know if there is any around subang area
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do share here if you found one, i'm oso from subang area, thx

QUOTE(hawk1lo @ Aug 23 2017, 08:43 AM)
same here, so far from my experience a few phones and china mirror gps thingy shows around 10km/h less than the LMST speedometer.
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the GPS is correct, i thk the lmst meter was calibrated for 13 inch wheel
mine also roughly 10% less than speedometer, so 100 at meter is only 90km/h

use the same gps in BLM and the speedometer speed matches the GPS

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Albert B
post Aug 24 2017, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Aug 22 2017, 11:05 PM)
Albert, i wonder is that our car actual travel speed is slower than show in meter? I had try few gps ( waze and garmin ) both show my car is slower than actual show on speedometer. my tires is 185/60R14 on LMST. my friends car ( also LMST) equip with 175/70R13 also show the same.
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I am unable to comment on this as I do not constantly use GPS;
hopefully members here with lots of GPS experience can help
out. (I have heard elsewhere that some car makers purposely
show higher speed to make the drivers stay within the limit but
I am not sure if this is true).

However, I did some checking other than GPS, and it seems that
there is evidence of higher readings:

1) I calculate the engine rpm - gear ratio - tyre diameter
to get the road speed (see below), at 3000 rpm, 4th gear the
theoretical speed is 80.5 km/h, but the speedo reads 85 km/hr.

2) I did a distance check using Google maps for a drive and compare the trip
meter reading, the map shows 24 km, the tripmeter shows 26km.

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post Aug 24 2017, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Aug 23 2017, 12:58 PM)
Is there any need to clean anything inside the air-cond system on periodic basis?
Anything like the filters we have in room AC?
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The Iswara / LMST do not have cabin filters. The cooling coil
needs to be cleaned of the dirt. This can be done by the air-cond shop
as they have the tools, during your periodic service for the air-cond
(see below).


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post Aug 24 2017, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Aug 22 2017, 10:59 PM)
if using high pressure water, than u need cover the wiper motor and alarm as well !
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I would add the alternator too, just to be safe; the copper coils inside it can be
seen through the holes.
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post Aug 24 2017, 01:30 PM

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Hi guys, any idea to make lmst more fuel efficient?
Full tank can Jalan 300km++ only
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post Aug 25 2017, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Aug 24 2017, 02:30 PM)
Hi guys, any idea to make lmst more fuel efficient?
Full tank can Jalan 300km++ only
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The only thing i can say is
Have your tyres to optimum pressure, reduce the weight of your car, most important of all, light footed lol.
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post Aug 25 2017, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Aug 23 2017, 01:58 PM)
Is there any need to clean anything inside the air-cond system on periodic basis?
Anything like the filters we have in room AC?
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for lmst we don't have a filter from the blower side to replace, i found that myself too (as mentioned by the mechanic also). Unless there's some filter under the dash there

For exterior
clean the evaporator, other than that i not sure wat more can be done.

For interior
Clean the blower, clean the cooling coil, maybe replace the dryer if needed, expansion valve depends on what the mechanic say. Keep in mind that when cleaning up the cooling coil also might require dismantling the coil from the AC system which will need to draw out the refrigerant/'gas'.
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QUOTE(hawk1lo @ Aug 25 2017, 09:52 AM)
The only thing i can say is
Have your tyres to optimum pressure, reduce the weight of your car, most important of all, light footed lol.
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Ald done with tat. Gg lo.
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post Aug 25 2017, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(hawk1lo @ Aug 25 2017, 09:58 AM)
for lmst we don't have a filter from the blower side to replace, i found that myself too (as mentioned by the mechanic also). Unless there's some filter under the dash there

For exterior
clean the evaporator, other than that i not sure wat more can be done.

For interior
Clean the blower, clean the cooling coil, maybe replace the dryer if needed, expansion valve depends on what the mechanic say. Keep in mind that when cleaning up the cooling coil also might require dismantling the coil from the AC system which will need to draw out the refrigerant/'gas'.
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I think the no-filter is why is easier for Iswara / LMST to pickup those rubbish truck smells if following behind.

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post Aug 25 2017, 09:44 PM

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hi. my temperature gauge going up more than half if driving up to steep road and will back to normal after downhill. Is it cause by radiator not enough to cope it?
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QUOTE(langatian @ Aug 25 2017, 09:44 PM)
hi. my temperature gauge going up more than half if driving up to steep road and will back to normal after downhill. Is it cause by radiator not enough to cope it?
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1) How steep was the slope? Use 1st or 2nd gear, and for how long?

2) Did the needle go to the red zone? or only slightly above normal?

3) How is the condition of the coolant in the radiator? Any air pockets,
corrosion, deposits in the water tubes?
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 26 2017, 09:40 AM)
1) How steep was the slope? Use 1st or 2nd gear, and for how long?

2) Did the needle go to the red zone? or only slightly above normal?

3) How is the condition of the coolant in the radiator? Any air pockets,
corrosion, deposits in the water tubes?
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1. Drove at jalan hulu langat. If you know how steep that road. Maintain using 2nd and 3rd gear when climbing and descending.

2. Fortunately needle not go to red zone. Just slightly more than half but before this needle will stay slightly below half if driving uphill.

3. Just recently changed coolant. Usually will check for air pocket after changing coolant.
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QUOTE(langatian @ Aug 28 2017, 10:01 AM)
1. Drove at jalan hulu langat. If you know how steep that road. Maintain using 2nd and 3rd gear when climbing and descending.

2. Fortunately needle not go to red zone. Just slightly more than half but before this needle will stay slightly below half if driving uphill.

3. Just recently changed coolant. Usually will check for air pocket after changing coolant.
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From your reply, the gauge would be showing the temperature
position like in the photo, together with Proton manual instruction
for this issue. That would mean the engine is not overheating.

However, the concern is there is a change from your previous
experience. The reason could be different conditions (steeper road,
hotter day, heavier car loading, more wheel/tyre/road resistance ... ),
or, a deterioration in cooling performance.

When you changed your coolant recently, did you see rust, dirt,
teh-tarik colour coolant etc when the cap was opened and old
coolant drained out? If there was, and if no flushing was done
there could be some rust coating the tubes or passages and this
reduces heat removal.

If there is a sudden leak at the overflow hose or cap, air pockets
can form by drawing in air instead of coolant when cooling down.
You can check this by opening the cap in the morning before you
start the engine.



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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 29 2017, 11:41 AM)
From your reply, the gauge would be showing the temperature
position like in the photo, together with Proton manual instruction
for this issue. That would mean the engine is not overheating.

However, the concern is there is a change from your previous
experience. The reason could be different conditions (steeper road,
hotter day, heavier car loading, more wheel/tyre/road resistance ... ),
or, a deterioration in cooling performance.

When you changed your coolant recently, did you see rust, dirt,
teh-tarik colour coolant  etc when the cap was opened and old
coolant drained out? If there was, and if no flushing was done
there could be some rust coating the tubes or passages and this
reduces heat removal.

If there is a sudden leak at the overflow hose or cap, air pockets
can form by drawing in air instead of coolant when cooling down.
You can check this by opening the cap in the morning before you
start the engine.
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Yes, same like the photo when driving uphill.

Got some of rust and dirt but not teh tarik coolant when changing it. But when flushing I ensure that no rust or dirt forming again by repeating all over again.

Next, I will check the cap for air pockets after this.
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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Aug 24 2017, 01:30 PM)
Hi guys, any idea to make lmst more fuel efficient?
Full tank can Jalan 300km++ only
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before that how many mileage per tank ? what is the mileage of your car ?
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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Aug 30 2017, 08:04 PM)
before that how many mileage per tank ? what is the mileage of your car ?
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Tat figure all the time. 300++km per tank
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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Aug 24 2017, 01:30 PM)
Hi guys, any idea to make lmst more fuel efficient?
Full tank can Jalan 300km++ only
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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Aug 31 2017, 11:26 AM)
Tat figure all the time. 300++km per tank
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Assuming your car gets 350 km and full tank = 40 litres
when refueling, your car is giving 8.8 km/l, or consuming
11.4 litres per 100 km.

There is no single solution to this problem, as we do not
know where the inefficiency is.

However, to help narrow down the possibilities, do a
"coast-down" test to see if it is from the demand side
(car resistance), or from the supply side (engine output).

Find a straight level stretch of road with minimal traffic,
accelerate to 85 or 95 km/h, put to neutral, and see the
trip-meter reading at say, 90 or 80 km/hr, then at 60 or 50 km/h.
For safety you may want to get a helper to record these data.
Do a few runs, making sure there is no wind to affect the
results.

Typical distance required for the car speed to drop from
90 to 60 km/hr is about 0.6 to 0.7 km. This data will determine
if your car have too much aerodynamic and rolling resistance.

I presume your car is used in city driving with lots of jams,
traffic lights etc. One of the major fuel consumption item is
energy wasted in acceleration and braking. If you can adjust
your driving style to reduce these to a minimum, you might
see some results; however you have to overcome the desire to
close vehicle distance gaps, and bear with some impatient
drivers behind you.

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QUOTE(langatian @ Aug 30 2017, 12:36 PM)
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Next, I will check the cap for air pockets after this.
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Also look at the condition of the tubes visible when
you open the cap, to see if there are scale or coating
the insides.
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 31 2017, 06:44 PM)
Assuming your car gets 350 km and full tank = 40 litres
when refueling, your car is giving 8.8 km/l, or consuming
11.4 litres per 100 km.

There is no single solution to this  problem, as we do not
know where the inefficiency is.

However, to help narrow down the possibilities, do a
"coast-down" test to see if it  is from the demand side
(car resistance), or from the supply side (engine output).

Find a straight level stretch of road with minimal traffic,
accelerate to 85 or 95 km/h, put to neutral, and see the
trip-meter reading at say, 90 or 80 km/hr, then at 60 or 50 km/h.
For safety you may want to get a helper to record these data.
Do a few runs, making sure there is no wind to affect the
results.

Typical distance required for the car speed to drop from
90 to 60 km/hr is about 0.6 to 0.7 km. This data will determine
if your car have too much aerodynamic and rolling resistance.

I presume your car is used in city driving with lots of jams,
traffic lights etc. One of the major fuel consumption item is
energy wasted in acceleration and braking. If you can adjust
your driving style to reduce these to a minimum, you might
see some results; however you have to overcome the desire to
close vehicle distance gaps, and bear with some impatient
drivers behind you.
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Based on my experience, i only know jammed auto choke will cause sudden decrease in fuel efficiency.
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 31 2017, 06:47 PM)
Also look at the condition of the tubes visible when
you open the cap, to see if there are scale or coating
the insides.
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Does radiator cap influence the temperature?

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