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 Proton Prevé V21, Versione ventuno!

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post Sep 10 2014, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Sep 10 2014, 08:24 PM)
Yes, you are correct that most if not all Japanese cars are on EPS(Electronic Power Steering), and yes, the steering feel is indeed lacking in most of these cars, especially the Honda City that I have just driven not too long ago. The steering feel is indeed one of the worst I have driven(for a Japanese car). It is not about the lightness of the steering but the accuracy of it. It felt loose and feedback was poor. Somehow it didn't give me the control and confidence I wanted especially when around the bends. Perhaps I wasn't accustomed to the steering feel of the City, but still it was one of the worse driving experience I have encountered. The Nissan Sylphy's steering is better in this respect, more accurate than the City but still with poor feedback.

And yes, the Preve's heavy steering is more accurate and feels more real than most of these Japanese vehicles.

However, there is a car on EPS that to me, is more accurate than the Preve, the Ford Focus. As a matter of fact, the Focus is just a joy to drive not only for the light and responsive steering but the combination of that and the overall dynamics of the vehicle particularly the suspension. Although the steering of the Focus is light, the accuracy is higher than any cars that I have driven, Even the Preve's steering can sometimes feel "loose" but the Focus' steering is taut and tight ie. accurate in any driving conditions, even though it is light. It is not so much on the argument about FAKE vs REAL feel of the steering, but the accuracy and responsiveness of it, the driver having added confidence in taking a bend or corners at higher speeds with the accurate steering. The steering can be EPS and light but it can be responsive and accurate(the Focus). There are EPS steerings that are light but not as responsive and accurate(most Japanese vehicles Honda, Nissan, Toyota etc.).

Though a disclaimer. It is not all about the steering only when it comes to the joy of driving. It's usually a combination of the steering, chassis, suspension and power, around that order. The Preve Turbo at RM70k isn't too shabby as its handling and Turbo power beat most Japanese sedans(which are mainly designed primarily for comfort). But if you want more thrill and joy in the drive, there are some cars which offer higher levels of handling and driving dynamics, one being the Ford Focus, but at RM120k+/- the Preve Turbo can be regarded as having great value.
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Well said dude~~hopefully i can try a ford focus soon~~
by the way the "fake" feeling i mention is that...the steering does not turn according to the steering wheel...i guess the proper word to use is "responsive" here~~


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post Sep 10 2014, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Sep 10 2014, 08:32 PM)
For those who want to achieve better FC in the Preve Turbo, you may want to try driving in Manual mode instead of D and maintain the speed at around 80km/h (rpms at 2000+/-) in both city and highway driving conditions. Use the paddle shifters to upshift to the highest gear possible. I find the fuel economy to be slightly better if driving appropriately in Manual than in D, but you have to play with the pedal. Avoid stepping on the accelerator for too many times and be gentle with the footwork.

Of course, it gets tired after a while and back to D.
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Is '7' lower RPM than 'D' on your car at 80km/h? My car seems to have lower RPM in D than any other manual gears, but I did not look specifically to 80km/h.

Even using cruise control will raise the RPM around 100-200 RPM. Or are we having different ECU software version?

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I ordered red Prevé, SA called me just now he got me black Prevé. He 'think' I ordered black. What should I do?
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post Sep 11 2014, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(predicate undefined @ Sep 11 2014, 06:54 AM)
I ordered red Prevé, SA called me just now he got me black Prevé. He 'think' I ordered black. What should I do?
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i made a mistake 9 years ago. was interested with one car but bought a different car instead. live with the mistake for 9 years till full settlement.

this time told myself... must be what i want, must be the choice of my color. yesterday i went to a tyre shop to upgrade to 17". shop offered me very nice price but white color rims. told the boss sorry i only want gunmetal color and left the shop.

just be firm with your SA
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QUOTE(predicate undefined @ Sep 11 2014, 06:54 AM)
I ordered red Prevé, SA called me just now he got me black Prevé. He 'think' I ordered black. What should I do?
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Simply refuse it n insist on your red
Some of these sales guys want their commission fast n will tell you need to wait for the color you need
Since he had accepted your red order he must fulfill it


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post Sep 11 2014, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Sep 10 2014, 11:16 PM)
Is '7' lower RPM than 'D' on your car at 80km/h? My car seems to have lower RPM in D than any other manual gears, but I did not look specifically to 80km/h.

Even using cruise control will raise the RPM around 100-200 RPM. Or are we having different ECU software version?
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Yes, the rpms are lower in D when compared to Manual at specific speeds but though I think the main idea is not to let the rpms go above 2000 in order to achieve good or better fuel economy. In gear 7(manual mode) at 80km/h the rpm is at about 2000. To achieve good FC, the speed has to be capped at 80km/h and not higher.

The impact on fuel economy between driving in D and Manual mode may be more into city driving where acceleration in low speed or constant change in gears 1 to 7 are present. I don't know about your car but in my car, when you accelerate in D, say from 0km/h to 30km/h or 10km/h to 40km/h, I find the sound or growl from the engine to be slightly louder than accelerating the vehicle using the paddle shifters. Although the rpms in D are lower during acceleration, somehow the louder low frequency growl from the engine during acceleration suggests that the gearbox may be hunting for the appropriate gears before it upshifts to a higher gear. If on Manual mode, you can upshift to a higher gear using the paddle shifters say gear 2 to 3 once the rpm is around 1500. The engine doesn't growl too much in Manual mode when the gears are upshifting(at low rpms), but in D, even though the rpms are low, the engine growls louder when the car is accelerating.

From the observation above, I am not sure if there is a correlation between low rpms(in D) and better fuel economy. IN other words, the rpms in D can appear low on the speedometer, but in real life the engine may be using more petrol.

If one does a lot of city driving, bumper to bumper crawl, it can be useful to compare between D and Manual mode to see which mode will register better fuel consumption. My few driving sessions in Manual mode suggests that it is able to register slightly better FC than D in mixed driving conditions.

As for cruise control, I am not aware that it has raised the rpms by 100~200. However, even if it does, one has to take into consideration that there are no spikes in the acceleration and the rpms remain rather constant throughout since there is no sudden acceleration initiated by the driver. In other words, the computer controlled cruise control may register better FC than the human footwork on the accelerator.
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post Sep 11 2014, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Sep 10 2014, 08:32 PM)
For those who want to achieve better FC in the Preve Turbo, you may want to try driving in Manual mode instead of D and maintain the speed at around 80km/h (rpms at 2000+/-) in both city and highway driving conditions. Use the paddle shifters to upshift to the highest gear possible. I find the fuel economy to be slightly better if driving appropriately in Manual than in D, but you have to play with the pedal. Avoid stepping on the accelerator for too many times and be gentle with the footwork.

Of course, it gets tired after a while and back to D.
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i still feel D mode is the best.. paddle shift 7 gear must at least above 60km/h only able to shift to it.. lower than it will auto downshift gear.. i tried before.. in long term, D mode still is the best.. it will lower rpm a little bit..

QUOTE(mengsuan @ Sep 10 2014, 11:16 PM)
Is '7' lower RPM than 'D' on your car at 80km/h? My car seems to have lower RPM in D than any other manual gears, but I did not look specifically to 80km/h.

Even using cruise control will raise the RPM around 100-200 RPM. Or are we having different ECU software version?
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cruise control really increase RPM a bit.. i think at least 200 rpm than usual.. im actually same condition like u.. D is better than paddle shift..
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post Sep 11 2014, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(predicate undefined @ Sep 11 2014, 06:54 AM)
I ordered red Prevé, SA called me just now he got me black Prevé. He 'think' I ordered black. What should I do?
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Is all depends on you

For my case, i told my sa either Black or red...i accept the one who comes first..

and at last, red come first...so all is depends on you...whether u like black or not.
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post Sep 11 2014, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(predicate undefined @ Sep 11 2014, 06:54 AM)
I ordered red Prevé, SA called me just now he got me black Prevé. He 'think' I ordered black. What should I do?
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depends on you, if u not urgent need the car, just wait, is the salesmen mistake so let him settle it.
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post Sep 11 2014, 08:47 AM

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Oh ya, anyone preve exec encounter CVT warning light pop out on morning cold start?

Did reflashing, and SC said SAT button kena water or tersangkut and claimed that they already solved..

But this warning light still appear the next day....
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QUOTE(theonlyvin @ Sep 11 2014, 08:47 AM)
Oh ya, anyone preve exec encounter CVT warning light pop out on morning cold start?

Did reflashing, and SC said SAT button kena water or tersangkut and claimed that they already solved..

But this warning light still appear the next day....
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my new car don hv....later not sure sweat.gif
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I had never bother to ever use cruise control in all the cars I had used. Even on highway you can hardly maintain a constant speed with the traffic in front. I had tried before n had never like it. With regards to fuel consumption I am happy with the CFE model. With a full tank n continuous drive at average 80 km/hr on trunk n 100 km/hr on highway I could cover 750km n indicator still show another 100 km to next refuel. In town driving full tank will hit about 580-600 km before warning light comes on
I would say fc is decently good for a 1.6 Turbo engine car
We never drive our car hard . The car already in its 13th month had been excellent till now with zero problems
Only issue was slight squeaky sound at backseat n that was rectified in week one itself.
Unlike some of you guys I had never bother with the technicalities of driving. I just press the pedal and allow the car to auto control itself. This has always been my driving style past 30+ years on all auto cars I had driven

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QUOTE(benny888 @ Sep 11 2014, 10:01 AM)
I had never bother to ever use cruise control in all the cars I had used. Even on highway you can hardly maintain a constant speed with the traffic in front. I had tried before n had never like it. With regards to fuel consumption I am happy with the CFE model. With a full tank n continuous drive at average 80 km/hr on trunk n 100 km/hr on highway I could cover 750km n indicator still show another 100 km to next refuel. In town driving full tank will hit about 580-600 km before warning light comes on
I would say fc is decently good for a 1.6 Turbo engine car
We never drive our car hard . The car already in its 13th month had been excellent till now with zero problems
Only issue was slight squeaky sound at backseat n that was rectified in week one itself.
Unlike some of you guys I had never bother with the technicalities of driving. I just press the pedal and allow the car to auto control itself. This has always been my driving style past 30+ years on all auto cars I had driven
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Good FC u Got bro....

Highway i can manage to get 680 for full tank (Full load)

But town with jamming daily give me avg 380 for RM80 =.=

Town FC byk teruk
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Average speed I'm driving is between 80-100kmh too, 120-140 for occasional fun. Not to say the FC is superbly excellent, but I'm satisfied with the mileage/petrol station ratio laugh.gif
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yesterday take me whole day for 60k service,changing plug..they cant open the plug then have to dismantle the engine top valve cover to take the plug out rclxub.gif

then the technician forget to screw back my air filter box screw sweat.gif

proton service still not enough good..haizz
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QUOTE(maverickng @ Sep 11 2014, 10:40 AM)
yesterday take me whole day for 60k service,changing plug..they cant open the plug then have to dismantle the engine top valve cover to take the plug out rclxub.gif

then the technician forget to screw back my air filter box screw sweat.gif

proton service still not enough good..haizz
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Which SC? My usual SCs are so far so good.
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Sep 11 2014, 10:42 AM)
Which SC? My usual SCs are so far so good.
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proton edar bukit maluri...not saying they are worst la..just have to improve more...screw also forget to pasang meh?
big mistake doh.gif
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QUOTE(maverickng @ Sep 11 2014, 10:46 AM)
proton edar bukit maluri...not saying they are worst la..just have to improve more...screw also forget to pasang meh?
big mistake  doh.gif
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Hmmm....go SC Setapak (Jln Pahang) Not bad too, just slow abit...
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QUOTE(benny888 @ Sep 11 2014, 10:01 AM)
I had never bother to ever use cruise control in all the cars I had used. Even on highway you can hardly maintain a constant speed with the traffic in front. I had tried before n had never like it. With regards to fuel consumption I am happy with the CFE model. With a full tank n continuous drive at average 80 km/hr on trunk n 100 km/hr on highway I could cover 750km n indicator still show another 100 km to next refuel. In town driving full tank will hit about 580-600 km before warning light comes on
I would say fc is decently good for a 1.6 Turbo engine car
We never drive our car hard . The car already in its 13th month had been excellent till now with zero problems
Only issue was slight squeaky sound at backseat n that was rectified in week one itself.
Unlike some of you guys I had never bother with the technicalities of driving. I just press the pedal and allow the car to auto control itself. This has always been my driving style past 30+ years on all auto cars I had driven
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how u managed to get rid of the sound from the seat. Its really annoying..sad.gif
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QUOTE(blaze91 @ Sep 11 2014, 11:10 AM)
how u managed to get rid of the sound from the seat. Its really annoying..sad.gif
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The service center did it - I saw them removing the back set and I believe they just tighten some stuffs . Till today no more such creaking noises. You should sent in the service center to rectify it

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