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Are you guys ready?
 
Yes, my loan percentage is low compared to my earning. [ 124 ] ** [63.59%]
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post Jul 8 2014, 07:39 AM, updated 12y ago

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Interest rate is confirmed to rise in July and followed by another rise in September this year.

So I hope everyone is ready for the ride up!!! rclxm9.gif

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...debt-risk-grows

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Malaysian car mechanic Cheong Tim Soong spent years trying to curb his dependence on expensive credit card debt until a friend took decisive action – cutting up the card in front of him.

Bank Negara, the central bank, is likely to take similar, though less drastic, action by raising interest rates on July 10 for the first time in more than three years, to curb strong domestic demand that has ratcheted up debt levels and inflation.

Consumer demand has underpinned healthy growth in recent years, making up for patches of weakness in exports, but much of it has been built on an expansion of credit that has also occurred in other Southeast Asian nations because of easy loans.



That has raised Malaysia's vulnerability to possible external shocks, such as a debt crisis in China or a sudden rise in US interest rates. Research firm Oxford Economics said in a report last month that Malaysia's rising debt levels together with a high level of government bonds held by foreigners (around 45%) made it the "riskiest" economy in Southeast Asia.
"Malaysia's household debt is popping up on the radar screen but it's not at the breaking point at the moment," said Fred Neumann, head of Asia research at HSBC in Hong Kong.

"Bank Negara tried to use macroprudential measures to slow down the household debt and what they did was in line with many central banks. But an interest rate hike is often the most effective tool to slow down debt."

The "macroprudential" steps included stricter loan-to-value ratio calculations for property buys last year, and increased penalties for disposal of properties within five years.

Bank Negara has struck a more hawkish tone in recent meetings, giving investors strong hints that it is preparing to raise its benchmark rate from 3%.

At its last meeting in May, it said it may need to act to counter a "continued build-up of financial imbalances", specifically mentioning household debt as a main concern. Most economists expect a 0.25% hike when the central bank meets on Thursday, followed by another as early as September.

Veteran bank governor Zeti Akhtar Aziz has her eye on rising inflation, which has turned real interest rates negative.

The government's recent moves to cut subsidies have increased prices of food, transport and electricity and lifted the annual inflation rate, which in May was 3.2%, up from 1.8% in June 2013.

Rising inflation since the last quarter of 2013 has also put the Philippines under pressure to raise interest rates after keeping policy rates at a record low since October 2012. Indonesia raised its interest rates five times last year.

Strong credit growth and rising consumer debt has been a common thread for Southeast Asian economies since major central banks slashed interest rates in response to the 2008 financial crisis and triggered a wave of easy money to emerging markets.

Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand all have debt-to-GDP ratios above 70%. Malaysia's ratio stands at 86.8%, up from 60.4% in 2008, and the second highest in Asia after South Korea's 91.1%.

More than half of the burgeoning household debt comes from housing loans, while personal and credit card loans account for 21%. It has helped drive a real-estate boom in parts of the country, with national house prices up 11.9% last year and Kuala Lumpur prices surging 30% in three years.

In contrast, the average monthly Malaysian household income rose about 7% annually from 2009-2012.

In an otherwise mostly glowing annual report on Malaysia's economy last week, the World Bank highlighted the risk to growth from the combination of high consumer debt and rising rates.

"Rate hikes are likely to have a relatively larger impact on household budgets than in the past," it said.

Economists say low wage earners will likely be hardest hit by high rates, but the overall effect on the economy should be limited as the bulk of credit is held by wealthier Malaysians.

"The weakest borrowers would feel the pinch with a 25-basis-points increase. Those in the middle income group can always adjust their spending," said Peck Boon Soon, RHB Bank's head of research.

Cheong, a 50-year-old father of three living in the capital Kuala Lumpur, says he was unable to pay off his RM10,000 credit card debt after 4 years because of compounding interest rate payments. Even after his friend destroyed his credit card and lent him money, he is still finding it hard to make ends meet because of mortgage payments and rising expenses.

"It's tough when you have a family. I finally paid off my car loan but that sum is now used to finance my children's extra classes," he said. – Reuters, July 7, 2014.

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...h.SHqrUqdo.dpuf


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post Jul 8 2014, 08:06 AM

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for those who haven't buy house then kena worse lorr..
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:11 AM

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Bad news for developers. Now they may have to price new launches more conservatively.
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:12 AM

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how about subsales? miss the bubble talk previously. learnt alot.
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:26 AM

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But but but .....
In property section the guys are still on BBB mode for the whole year!
Some still goreng property price up up up !
Maybe it's true /k all salary 20k per month laugh.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(memekfalui @ Jul 8 2014, 09:26 AM)
But but but .....
In property section the guys are still on BBB mode for the whole year!
Some still goreng property price up up up !
Maybe it's true /k all salary 20k per month laugh.gif
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Like that they should buy even interest up till 2% with that 20k salary pm.

Good for economy, govt, developer, banks,law firm,seller and etc. thumbup.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(woody33 @ Jul 8 2014, 07:56 AM)
Let the horse come
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Well, this is horse year rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 8 2014, 08:06 AM)
for those who haven't buy house then kena worse lorr..
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Yeah, those haven't buy house, when buy house will kena the rate increase. But maybe bank will -2.6 now..hahaha

QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jul 8 2014, 08:11 AM)
Bad news for developers. Now they may have to price new launches more conservatively.
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Problem is developer also affected by the interest rate. If the land is secured with loan, developer will be in deep shit.

QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jul 8 2014, 08:12 AM)
how about subsales? miss the bubble talk previously. learnt alot.
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Subsales price is dropping everyday because demand for subsale is low. Nowaday people only buy new development.

With the interest rate hiking, flipper might get squeezed and subsales price will fall further.

QUOTE(memekfalui @ Jul 8 2014, 08:26 AM)
But but but .....
In property section the guys are still on BBB mode for the whole year!
Some still goreng property price up up up !
Maybe it's true /k all salary 20k per month laugh.gif
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BBB mode only for new development or maybe for own stay. Also, even though BBB mode, many investor unable to secure loan. 50% of loan application got rejected. laugh.gif
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Yes nowadays banks giving less percentage of loan for developers for offices/malls and super high end condo tongue.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:50 AM

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so u r DDD now???
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 8 2014, 08:46 AM)
Yes nowadays banks giving less percentage of loan for developers for offices/malls and super high end condo tongue.gif
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Do you think after rate increase, bank will do BLR-2.6% instead of BLR-2.45% now? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jul 8 2014, 08:50 AM)
so u r DDD now???
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I'm middle of loan application to buy a house. I don't think I want to be DDD now vmad.gif mad.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM

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When OPR increase by BNM, will bank giving -2.6%BLR or more to consumer for getting the loan from the BANK.

Bank risk also there; with the LENDING cost from bank2bank hv increse ; their business model earning margin will be very low.

Most bank follow Maybank; becoz of their sufficient capital for borrowing.






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post Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM

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Only 25 points increase in july and another 25 points in sept.. total baru 0.5.. ppl eat snacks midnight also more than these increase..

the market are consist of prompt loan servicer.. and these investors are mostly cash rich... and all not waiting for sale..

increase one shot to blr 8% or 10%.. since most subsales is not moving /cannot sell..


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 08:50 AM)
Do you think after rate increase, bank will do BLR-2.6% instead of BLR-2.45% now?  hmm.gif
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A little while ago Bank Negara said they will do away with BLR.

The new reference rate is BR.

So maybe it will become BR+xx%.


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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM)
When OPR increase by BNM, will bank giving -2.6%BLR  or more to consumer for getting the loan from the BANK.

Bank risk also there; with the LENDING cost from bank2bank hv increse ; their business model earning margin will be very low.

Most bank follow Maybank; becoz of their sufficient capital for borrowing.
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Minus more, margin low. FD will get hit?

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM)
Only 25 points increase in july and another 25 points in sept.. total baru 0.5.. ppl eat snacks midnight also more than these increase..

the market are consist of prompt loan servicer.. and these investors are mostly cash rich... and all not waiting for sale..

increase one shot to blr 8% or 10%.. since most subsales is not moving /cannot sell..
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Thanks bearbearwong for your input. Eventhough prompt loan servicer are cash rich, some of them will be feeling very bad servicing loan getting higher without earning because not only subsale cannot sell, it can't even be rented out. So what do you think will happen? They will continue to hold?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 8 2014, 09:00 AM)
A little while ago Bank Negara said they will do away with BLR.

The new reference rate is BR.

So maybe it will become BR+xx%.
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Yeah, I heard also about BR which is equal to KLIBOR.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 8 2014, 09:00 AM)
A little while ago Bank Negara said they will do away with BLR.

The new reference rate is BR.

So maybe it will become BR+xx%.
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As long it is increase increase.. we are in the right track.. blr increase will further dampen the loan approvals and subsales purchase..

bank negara should sit and relax.. ponder a while.. their 3 measures BBB say no effect at all.. 25 points also.. 2.5% increased blr to 9.1% then sounds better to curtail and fit their main purpose
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 09:03 AM)
Minus more, margin low. FD will get hit?
Thanks bearbearwong for your input. Eventhough prompt loan servicer are cash rich, some of them will be feeling very bad servicing loan getting higher without earning because not only subsale cannot sell, it can't even be rented out. So what do you think will happen? They will continue to hold?
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you no see.. other BBB says these are small monies.. they will factor it into the new selling price

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 8 2014, 09:00 AM)
A little while ago Bank Negara said they will do away with BLR.

The new reference rate is BR.

So maybe it will become BR+xx%.
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Bank Negara Malaysia announces today that effective 2 Jan 2015

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_pres...ess_all&ac=2976
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 09:09 AM)
you no see.. other BBB says these are small monies.. they will factor it into the new selling price
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Hahaha.. sure can. But the thing is, while holding, kek sim ooor...

QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 09:11 AM)
Bank Negara Malaysia announces today that effective 2 Jan 2015

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_pres...ess_all&ac=2976
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oh tq...

I heard BR is cheaper but more fluctuate.

Not sure if BLR is better or BR.




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I believe many people's purchases are still in DIBS or construction period.

Another reason why they won't feel it that bad in the short run.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 09:03 AM)
Minus more, margin low. FD will get hit?
Thanks bearbearwong for your input. Eventhough prompt loan servicer are cash rich, some of them will be feeling very bad servicing loan getting higher without earning because not only subsale cannot sell, it can't even be rented out. So what do you think will happen? They will continue to hold?
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bank giving higher -% BLR, their FD cant increase.

BNM objective to reduce inflation - by Increase borrowing loan. Sure to simulate the economic reduce spending and increase saving.



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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 09:14 AM)
Hahaha.. sure can. But the thing is, while holding, kek sim ooor...
oh tq...

I heard BR is cheaper but more fluctuate.

Not sure if BLR is better or BR.
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WILL new BLR framework will be announce on 2 Jan 2015,

It juz 6 month on the road.


Juz mine curiosity will BNM Spike the OPR interest on 10 July...another 2 Jan 2015.

Except BNM dont want 2 Jan 2015 having major hike in OPR...then gradually increase 10 July....

A playing game mind by BNM



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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 09:21 AM)
WILL new BLR framework will be announce on 2 Jan 2015,

It juz 6 month on the road.
Juz mine curiosity will BNM Spike the OPR interest on 10 July...another 2 Jan 2015.

Except BNM dont want 2 Jan 2015 having major hike in OPR...then gradually increase 10 July....

A playing game mind by BNM
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I think you're right that BNM don't want to have major hike in OPR. So increase 0.25 this month and 0.25 in September. 0.25 in November.

And bam, BLR change to BR based on OPR in January.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 09:24 AM)
I think you're right that BNM don't want to have major hike in OPR. So increase 0.25 this month and 0.25 in September. 0.25 in November.

And bam, BLR change to BR based on OPR in January.
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want to open a topic..how the BNM New Reference Rate...We can put our point there.

BNM New Reference Rate Framework 2 Jan 2015


the point i see below is current BNM mechanism not releavant becoz the time personal loan not included. tongue.gif



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No problem. Only one still has loan, others all paid off and collecting rent.
*grabs pop corn*
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we know the problem.
then what is the solution?
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QUOTE(roninhere @ Jul 8 2014, 09:37 AM)
we know the problem.
then what is the solution?
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think how to earn more..to pay the loan...




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No problem. Only one still has loan, others all paid off and collecting rent.
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Older properties, some are still serving the loan, but could have already gone through the cash flow negative period.

The impact is heaviest on the newly VP units.



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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM)
Only 25 points increase in july and another 25 points in sept.. total baru 0.5.. ppl eat snacks midnight also more than these increase..

the market are consist of prompt loan servicer.. and these investors are mostly cash rich... and all not waiting for sale..

increase one shot to blr 8% or 10%.. since most subsales is not moving /cannot sell..
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.25 increase also bnm consider for so long. Not so easy as they are taking people put in bank pocket and might dampen the economic. More than 0.5 increase in short time frame maybe market cannot take it and collapse, also consoder gst going to implemented next year. All money will go to goverment and bank, people has no money to spend.

Last two years people are opening threads screaming wolf come liao, always said in first post i heard from my banker friend that blr going to increase. And i always think another speculative thread and dont think bnm will increase blr. But this time round i feel the different, news everywhere speculate that bnm will increase the blr. Most probably they will increase and i has less money to spend cry.gif
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damn, it starting to hit those low or mid- income ppl hard...
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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jul 8 2014, 09:50 AM)
damn, it starting to hit those low or mid- income ppl hard...
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Havent include our friendly and benevolent GST too..
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damn, it starting to hit those low or mid- income ppl hard...
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should do something like increased stamp duty on 3rd property to hit flippers hard. then channel the money back o BR1M tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 8 2014, 09:57 AM)
should do something like increased stamp duty on 3rd property to hit flippers hard. then channel the money back o BR1M tongue.gif
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use the toll money....and built better public transport whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 8 2014, 08:06 AM)
for those who haven't buy house then kena worse lorr..
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why for those who has yet to buy a prop will kena badly?? please enlighten??

I have 2 prop 1 undercon dibs and another in the midst of singning SNP.. how would it affect me??
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 09:55 AM)
Havent include our friendly and benevolent GST too..
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haha, yah tht wan... cry.gif

QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 8 2014, 09:57 AM)
should do something like increased stamp duty on 3rd property to hit flippers hard. then channel the money back o BR1M tongue.gif
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dont la, later the gov make more steps to lesser the BR1M thn masuk pocket...
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QUOTE(nkhong @ Jul 8 2014, 09:48 AM)
.25 increase also bnm consider for so long. Not so easy as they are taking people put in bank pocket and might dampen the economic. More than 0.5 increase in short time frame maybe market cannot take it and collapse, also consoder gst going to implemented next year. All money will go to goverment and bank, people has no money to spend.

Last two years people are opening threads screaming wolf come liao, always said in first post i heard from my banker friend that blr going to increase. And i always think another speculative thread and dont think bnm will increase blr. But this time round i feel the different, news everywhere speculate that bnm will increase the blr. Most probably they will increase and i has less money to spend  cry.gif
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Bank negara are aware that property speculators are consists of stretched or overstretched credit ... most ofthem.. dat y bank negara increase little bit by bit..

property market deservingly need a collapse correction.. but agents and owners wants to increase their newly vp units claiming that GST and labour costs effect wen in fact their units are finished..most are increasing their units by 5 k at least or 10k monthly on top of the badly inflated price

some LYN mods also will get burn..
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25 point increase

let's translate int dollar and cents

if ayam servicing a loan of rm 1,000 per month previosuly

would a 25 point increase means i'll have to pay RM 1,002.50 instead?
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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jul 8 2014, 09:50 AM)
damn, it starting to hit those low or mid- income ppl hard...
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wait till april 2015

the 6% GST which will gradually be increased to 7% and 8%


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 10:00 AM)
Bank negara are aware that property speculators are consists of stretched or overstretched credit ... most ofthem.. dat y bank negara increase little bit by bit..

property market deservingly need a collapse correction.. but agents and owners wants to increase their newly vp units claiming that GST and labour costs effect wen in fact their units are finished..most are increasing their units by 5 k at least or 10k monthly on top of the badly inflated price

some LYN mods also will get burn..
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prpoerty market cant collapse when BNM increase BLR gradually.

The valuer one benchmark the secondary market.

what our expectation correction ? 10% or 50%

which i tink impposible - the most can give less 10% discount from market value.
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 10:06 AM)
wait till april 2015

the 6% GST which will gradually be increased to 7% and 8%
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if so, it will be more suffer later on for those low incomer....

juz wish they dont go and change tht... mad.gif
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 10:06 AM)
25 point increase

let's translate int dollar and cents

if ayam servicing a loan of rm 1,000 per month previosuly

would a 25 point increase means i'll have to pay RM 1,002.50 instead?
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Not mistaken is 25 ringgit, not 2.5 lol. Nasi lemak also more expensive than that...
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but from past data, property prices in Malaysia no go down. only stagnant. i wonder will price correction really gonna happen. i don't think so. even tho house prices is increasing, the demand is still there. malaysians like to live in luxury. biar papa asal bergaya mentality. pay rental 2k-3k per month is no issue to them. even students oso nowadays damn rich renting studio and condo units.

but if you go to auction nowadays, you can see there's start to have high end properties under auction, which is quite rare in past years. condos, soho, studio, etc. from my view there are already investor getting hurt with current situation. but the demand to own these units is still high. a lot of people enter the bid for these units.

this is for kl area. not sure with other region.
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jul 8 2014, 10:13 AM)
but from past data, property prices in Malaysia no go down. only stagnant. i wonder will price correction really gonna happen. i don't think so. even tho house prices is increasing, the demand is still there. malaysians like to live in luxury. biar papa asal bergaya mentality. pay rental 2k-3k per month is no issue to them. even students oso nowadays damn rich renting studio and condo units.

but if you go to auction nowadays, you can see there's start to have high end properties under auction, which is quite rare in past years. condos, soho, studio, etc. from my view there are already investor getting hurt with current situation. but the demand to own these units is still high. a lot of people enter the bid for these units.

this is for kl area. not sure with other region.
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not only for residential only....even sum newly completed commercial unit also been auction off....

yes sum small investor are been hit but not to those big investor...


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QUOTE(boyslikeboys @ Jul 7 2014, 07:59 PM)
why for those who has yet to buy a prop will kena badly?? please enlighten??

I have 2 prop 1 undercon dibs and another in the midst of singning SNP.. how would it affect me??
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investors also will kena but fresh grads and all.. they have to face more expansive houses and higher interest rates at d same time.. Most investors buy BBB properties than are cheaper than market price, so they still untung
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QUOTE(zenjet @ Jul 8 2014, 10:34 AM)
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 10:06 AM)
wait till april 2015

the 6% GST which will gradually be increased to 7% and 8%
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+1 lucifah.. those increase 25 points and 6% gst are actual increase.. the dealers.. developers.. service lines wilk amplify at least 2 to 3 times for you

lucifah one of those affected/will be with GST and blr increase?
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All the Sifus,

I need some input/advice what this will be for those who haven't buy a house yet? i am one of them..
Bank loan interest rate will go am i right?

So end up monthly payment will be more.

i am noob in all this financial terms.. cry.gif

Does this mean new house price will go up as well or the other way around?

Thanks for the advice notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 10:58 AM)
+1 lucifah.. those increase 25 points and 6% gst are actual increase.. the dealers.. developers.. service lines wilk amplify at least 2 to 3 times for you

lucifah one of those affected/will be with GST and blr increase?
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of kos i as a rakyat marhaen kena affected

the only solace i can find is the reduction of top tier tax. hopefully they reduce from 26% to 24% or 23% for 2014 tax return

so how to calculate ah the loan if increase by 25 points the BLR?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 10:07 AM)
prpoerty market cant collapse when BNM increase BLR gradually.

The valuer one benchmark the secondary market.

what our expectation correction ?  10% or 50%

which i tink impposible - the most can give less 10% discount from market value.
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Collapse is difficult.. bit correction deoending on location could be as high of 30% from the asking price not the original purchased price..

all in still untung margin low.. for subsequent subsales purchase price stagnation confirm there for 5 years at least especially newly vp by 2012 onwards .
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 11:01 AM)
Collapse is difficult.. bit correction deoending on location could be as high of 30% from the asking price not the original purchased price..

all in still untung margin low.. for subsequent subsales purchase price stagnation confirm there for 5 years at least especially newly vp by 2012 onwards .
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 10:06 AM)
25 point increase

let's translate int dollar and cents

if ayam servicing a loan of rm 1,000 per month previosuly

would a 25 point increase means i'll have to pay RM 1,002.50 instead?
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 11:00 AM)
so how to calculate ah the loan if increase by 25 points the BLR?
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Not calculated like that.

Loan interest is calculated daily.
if you have outstanding loan let say 250k, it will x the new BLR (if) with daily calculation.

There are 2 situation can occur,
1. Monthly loan repayment increases based on calculation of the whole tenure of the loan vs its interest rate.
Aka previous if BLR 6.6% enable to repay off the 25 year loan with 1000 monthly, with the new increased rate, it become 10xx.

2. Monthly repayment still stay the same, 1000, but to finish off the loan take more than 25 years.


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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 09:21 AM)
WILL new BLR framework will be announce on 2 Jan 2015,

It juz 6 month on the road.
Juz mine curiosity will BNM Spike the OPR interest on 10 July...another 2 Jan 2015.

Except BNM dont want 2 Jan 2015 having major hike in OPR...then gradually increase 10 July....

A playing game mind by BNM
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My view, unlikely BNM want to move the rate prior before GST implementation.

It may be one off 0.25% increase then no move until the GST implemented, as there are plenty of uncertainty factors
with GST implementation with potential one off inflation due to GST, and economy slowdown due to GST as well.


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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 11:00 AM)
of kos i as a rakyat marhaen kena affected

the only solace i can find is the reduction of top tier tax. hopefully they reduce from 26% to 24% or 23% for 2014 tax return

so how to calculate ah the loan if increase by 25 points the BLR?
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Aihh.. no bank officers around meh? I oso tau sikit sikitje

Current blr 6.6
you got rates of- 2.4
so interest payable for 6.6 -2.4= 4.2% per annum
Assuming taking loans of rm 100k for 1 year
100k x 4.2% interest x 1 year= 4200 yearly

If 500k and 35 years= 500k x 4.2( assuming no flactuation for 35 years) x 35 years= 735k interests
loans + interest = 500k + 735k= 1.235 million after 35vtahun

now increase 25 points = 0.25 only
current blr= 6.6 + 0.25= 6.85%
if bank offer -2.4
interest served = 6.85- 2.4= 4.45%

100k x 4.45% x 1 year= 4450 yearly
if 500k and 35 years = 500k x 4.45% x35 years =778500
loans plus interest= 778500 +500k= 1.2785 million only

difference of 43k for 35 years.. yearly difference around 4450- 4200=250
monthly 250 ÷ 12= rm 20 extra on monthly installments only.. told you no effect one.. provided they offer you -2.4.. and interest does not flactuate further

correct me if I m wrong
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 11:09 AM)
Not calculated like that.

Loan interest is calculated daily.
if you have outstanding loan let say 250k, it will x the new BLR (if) with daily calculation.

There are 2 situation can occur,
1. Monthly loan repayment increases based on calculation of the whole tenure of the loan vs its interest rate.
Aka previous if BLR 6.6% enable to repay off the 25 year loan with 1000 monthly, with the new increased rate, it become 10xx.

2. Monthly repayment still stay the same, 1000, but to finish off the loan take more than 25 years.
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If u are in 20s, 30s and taking 20 / 25 yr loan, possible for monthly repayment to remain constant but loan tenure extended

But Tenure of Loan repayment cannot be extended for those who take 30-years loan or past 40++
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 11:13 AM)
My view, unlikely BNM want to move the rate prior before GST implementation.

It may be one off 0.25% increase then no move until the GST implemented, as there are plenty of uncertainty factors
with GST implementation with potential one off inflation due to GST, and economy slowdown due to GST as well.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 11:20 AM)
thank your comment SIFU Cherrory.....
Next time when i go Penang we yam cha...I buy you StarBuck.
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Me leh.. no property yet bought one.. I oso want starbucks.. my gf father batu maung lang..occasionally will bek

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 11:25 AM)
Me leh.. no property yet bought one.. I oso want starbucks.. my gf father batu maung lang..occasionally will bek
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 11:13 AM)
My view, unlikely BNM want to move the rate prior before GST implementation.

It may be one off 0.25% increase then no move until the GST implemented, as there are plenty of uncertainty factors
with GST implementation with potential one off inflation due to GST, and economy slowdown due to GST as well.
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there could be 1-more rate hike just before or right after GST

Its not whether we are ready or not

Not ready also no choice - have to accept it

Just hope for reduction in Personal Income Tax
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Me leh.. no property yet bought one.. I oso want starbucks.. my gf father batu maung lang..
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Batu Maung fish head and other sea food lar. No yam char cheap cheap stuff !
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1st of all, v look at the other side of the coin. V enjoyed the cheap n low interest which is supposed to b higher. So its just back to norm. V gotten the candies. Now onli pay the usual interest. So no prob la.
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Batu Maung fish head and other sea food lar. No yam char cheap cheap stuff !
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jul 8 2014, 11:27 AM)
there could be 1-more rate hike just before or right after GST

Its not whether we are ready or not

Not ready also no choice - have to accept it

Just hope for reduction in Personal Income Tax
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Yes, could be, but I still think BNM will see the impact of first hike before moving to another hike.

They want to see the debt being controlled, not to kill the economy.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 11:30 AM)
Cheap cheap jln mcalister.. bukit jambul .. food court beware lot suddenly antena fall down hehe
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 11:36 AM)
Yes, could be, but I still think BNM will see the impact of first hike before moving to another hike.

They want to see the debt being controlled, not to kill the economy.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 11:14 AM)
Aihh.. no bank officers around meh? I oso tau sikit sikitje

Current blr 6.6
you got rates of- 2.4
so interest payable for 6.6 -2.4= 4.2% per annum
Assuming taking loans of rm 100k for 1 year
100k x 4.2% interest x 1 year= 4200 yearly

If 500k and 35 years= 500k x 4.2( assuming no flactuation for 35 years) x 35 years= 735k interests
loans + interest = 500k + 735k= 1.235 million after 35vtahun

now increase 25 points = 0.25 only
current blr= 6.6 + 0.25= 6.85%
if bank offer -2.4
interest served = 6.85- 2.4= 4.45%

100k x 4.45% x 1 year= 4450 yearly
if 500k and 35 years = 500k x 4.45% x35 years =778500
loans plus interest= 778500 +500k= 1.2785 million only

difference of 43k for 35 years.. yearly difference around 4450- 4200=250
monthly 250 ÷ 12= rm 20 extra on monthly installments only.. told you no effect one.. provided they offer you -2.4.. and interest does not flactuate further

correct me if I m wrong
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the interest is calculated daily and is based on the current outstanding balance


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 11:09 AM)
Not calculated like that.

Loan interest is calculated daily.
if you have outstanding loan let say 250k, it will x the new BLR (if) with daily calculation.

There are 2 situation can occur,
1. Monthly loan repayment increases based on calculation of the whole tenure of the loan vs its interest rate.
Aka previous if BLR 6.6% enable to repay off the 25 year loan with 1000 monthly, with the new increased rate, it become 10xx.

2. Monthly repayment still stay the same, 1000, but to finish off the loan take more than 25 years.
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so i used a home loan simulator to simulate loan repayment in an ideal condition:

RM 150k loan @ 6.6% interest & 6.85% interest for 20 yrs

@ 6.6% = 1,014 monhtly

@ 6.85% = 1,035 monthly

and additional of RM 21 / month

in summary:

1. an additional of 11.5 months longer loan tenure if the monthly commitment is the same

2. an additional of RM 5,040 interest (?)

http://www.maybank2u.com.my/calculator/for...c-homeLoan.html

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 12:01 PM)
so i used a home loan simulator to simulate loan repayment in an ideal condition:

RM 150k loan @ 6.6% interest & 6.85% interest for 20 yrs

@ 6.6% = 1,014 monhtly

@ 6.85% = 1,035 monthly

and additional of RM 21 / month

in summary:

1. an additional of 11.5 months longer loan tenure if the monthly commitment is the same

2. an additional of RM 5,040 interest (?)

http://www.maybank2u.com.my/calculator/for...c-homeLoan.html
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hmm.gif looks like quite small increase but in long term its quite a lot... sweat.gif

so its either long tenure or pay slightly more with same tenure... rite?
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Interest rate would be 0.25/4.2x100 = 6% higher.

6% is not insignificant.
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QUOTE(prody @ Jul 8 2014, 12:16 PM)
Interest rate would be 0.25/4.2x100 = 6% higher.

6% is not insignificant.
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actually its 0.025 right?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 12:31 PM)
actually its 0.025 right?
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25 basis point is 0.25

For instance, BLR would rise to 6.85 from the current 6.6.
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QUOTE(yiivei @ Jul 8 2014, 12:41 PM)
25 basis point is 0.25

For instance, BLR would rise to 6.85 from the current 6.6.
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if 25 is 0.25, that's a huge rise. My happiness buying property is now become sad because you said 25 basis point is 0.25. Are you sure??? shocking.gif

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 12:42 PM)
if 25 is 0.25, that's a huge rise. My happiness buying property is now become sad because you said 25 basis point is 0.25. Are you sure???  shocking.gif
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For example

Loan: RM100k
Tenure: 20 years
BLR: 6.6 - 2.4 = 4.2%
Monthly repayment: RM616.57
Total interest paid for 20 years is RM47,976.98

If BLR increase by 25 basis point then, monthly installment will increase to RM629.95. And total interest paid for 20 years is RM51,188.86

In short, an increase of RM13.38 on ur monthly installment and RM3,211.88 additional interest in total.

Alternatively, the tenure is prolong by 9 months (roughly) shall the monthly installment remain unchanged at RM616.57

i can be wrong thou.
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I still don't know how the new BLR gonna affect new buyer. I just paid my booking fee for an under con property and in the midst of looking for home loan. This is my 1st property. Since it is a no dibs property, the only affect that I can see is that I'm going to pay more interest while waiting for vp. Am I right?
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QUOTE(yiivei @ Jul 8 2014, 12:52 PM)
For example

Loan: RM100k
Tenure: 20 years
BLR: 6.6 - 2.4 = 4.2%
Monthly repayment: RM616.57
Total interest paid for 20 years is RM47,976.98

If BLR increase by 25 basis point then, monthly installment will increase to RM629.95. And total interest paid for 20 years is RM51,188.86

In short, an increase of RM13.38 on ur monthly installment and RM3,211.88 additional interest in total.

Alternatively, the tenure is prolong by 9 months (roughly) shall the monthly installment remain unchanged at RM616.57

i can be wrong thou.
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Thanks for the calculation sweat.gif

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I still don't know how the new BLR gonna affect new buyer. I just paid my booking fee for an under con property and in the midst of looking for home loan. This is my 1st property. Since it is a no dibs property, the only affect that I can see is that I'm going to pay more interest while waiting for vp. Am I right?
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Yes, you will serve higher interest while waiting sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 12:31 PM)
actually its 0.025 right?
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Nope, it's an increase of 0.25%
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 8 2014, 12:53 PM)
I still don't know how the new BLR gonna affect new buyer. I just paid my booking fee for an under con property and in the midst of looking for home loan. This is my 1st property. Since it is a no dibs property, the only affect that I can see is that I'm going to pay more interest while waiting for vp. Am I right?
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installment higher, so your mortgage to income ratio (M/I) increases and may affect the bank's decision to provide the loan

but i don't foresee it will affect most application as the increase of 0.25% is not much really...


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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Jul 8 2014, 01:02 PM)
installment higher, so your mortgage to income ratio (M/I) increases and may affect the bank's decision to provide the loan

but i don't foresee it will affect most application as the increase of 0.25% is not much really...
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0.25 is a lot.

I hear people scream after getting BLR-2.3% instead of BLR-2.4% (which is differed by 0.1%).

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Thanks for the calculation  sweat.gif
Yes, you will serve higher interest while waiting  sweat.gif
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Thanks.

But the increase of the BLR is still better than paying extra rental. The place than I'm renting now, increase rm250 after 3 years so it's about rm80/year.
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 8 2014, 01:05 PM)
Thanks.

But the increase of the BLR is still better than paying extra rental. The place than I'm renting now, increase rm250 after 3 years so it's about rm80/year.
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yeah, but you don't have to pay assessment, maintenance, etc. Things spoiled also you don't need to fix.

People who buy house forget a lot of thing need to fix.

For landed property, you also need to fix roof leaks that cost until RM50k if got attack from anai2.
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use PMT function and setup an amortization schedule in excel

tak payah kira susah susah ~

any changes can be modified in there ~ u can see the difference and total repayments ~
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QUOTE(zenjet @ Jul 8 2014, 01:09 PM)
use PMT function and setup an amortization schedule in excel

tak payah kira susah susah ~

any changes can be modified in there ~ u can see the difference and total repayments ~
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Actually if increase 0.25% means...

Your interest rate last time is

BLR - 2.25%.

With BLR increase become

BLR - 2%.

Sound a lot for people with big sum and long repayment period.
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0.25 is a lot.

I hear people scream after getting BLR-2.3% instead of BLR-2.4% (which is differed by 0.1%).
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in terms of banks' decision to approve the loan it wont be affected much

case in point

900k loan for 30 years at 4% (assuming house price is 1 mil)
monthly repayment is 4297

at 4.25%
monthly repayment is 4427

difference is only rm130 per month..

but in terms of 30 years payment at an increased interest rate.. then it is indeed a lot...

my rm0.02
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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Jul 8 2014, 01:11 PM)
in terms of banks' decision to approve the loan it wont be affected much

case in point

900k loan for 30 years at 4% (assuming house price is 1 mil)
monthly repayment is 4297

at 4.25%
monthly repayment is 4427

difference is only rm130 per month..

but in terms of 30 years payment at an increased interest rate.. then it is indeed a lot...

my rm0.02
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QUOTE(Metal White @ Jul 8 2014, 01:16 PM)
Banker call me last 2 days, offer BLR + 2.2% (personal name).

Last time 5 years ago, I bought property, the BLR - 1%.

Interest rate goes up and property price go up, as well.

Cannot afford to get 2nd house despite the rates so high now.
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I think your one is BR+2.2% (KLIBOR RATE) or maybe personal loan not home loan

Now still got BLR-2.45%

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 01:12 PM)
with house price hitting RM700k for normal house, long term wise its a lot.
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if 25 is 0.25, that's a huge rise. My happiness buying property is now become sad because you said 25 basis point is 0.25. Are you sure???  shocking.gif
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25 basic point is 0.25%.

100 basic point is 1%, this is jargon using in banking/finance section.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 01:59 PM)
25 basic point is 0.25%.

100 basic point is 1%, this is jargon using in banking/finance section.
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That should be basis points. smile.gif
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I have 2 prop 1 undercon dibs and another in the midst of singning SNP.. how would it affect me??
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That should be basis points.  smile.gif
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Boss... if you do not know how interest rate hike would affect you as a property investor then perhaps you should not be investing in propertie(s)?
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source confirmed only hike one time or will have subsequent hike on sept and nov?
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25 basic point is 0.25%.

100 basic point is 1%, this is jargon using in banking/finance section.
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Thanks for the info. Now I think 25 basis point is quite significance.

QUOTE(yeelong @ Jul 8 2014, 02:28 PM)
source confirmed only hike one time or will have subsequent hike on sept and nov?
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From the news, source said hike 2 time.

But I think probably just hike 1 time.
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Thanks for the info. Now I think 25 basis point is quite significance. 
From the news, source said hike 2 time.

But I think probably just hike 1 time.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 11:09 AM)
Not calculated like that.

Loan interest is calculated daily.
if you have outstanding loan let say 250k, it will x the new BLR (if) with daily calculation.

There are 2 situation can occur,
1. Monthly loan repayment increases based on calculation of the whole tenure of the loan vs its interest rate.
Aka previous if BLR 6.6% enable to repay off the 25 year loan with 1000 monthly, with the new increased rate, it become 10xx.

2. Monthly repayment still stay the same, 1000, but to finish off the loan take more than 25 years.
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Previously, I remember small fluctuation in BLR does not change the installment amount. Very troublesome for bank and a lot of admin cost involved. If they want to change the installment amount, they have millions of customers' loan to process

But I don't know now everything paperless and email/sms. Maybe the adjustment is just a press of a button.

My bet is they won't bother to change with just 0.25%. And by not changing, they can make more money giving longer loans
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 02:30 PM)
Thanks for the info. Now I think 25 basis point is quite significance. 
From the news, source said hike 2 time.

But I think probably just hike 1 time.
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Those (hike 2 times news) are expectation made by analysts, it doesn't come from BNM who is holding the card.
So (2 times rate hike) is still not a baked in issue.

Last year already some analysts made prediction BNM going to hike rate even before 2014 started... whistling.gif

Current inflation is more about push cost factor, which rising interest rate won't able to "cure" such inflation.
So a push cost inflation won't be tamed by the rate hike.

Petrol price won't drop/stop rising just because interest rate being raised 3%, or 10%,

Since 1997, we have not seen OPR more than 3.5% (if not mistaken), already 17 years at around +/-3%.

25 basis point hike surely got some impact, but it is not like the end of the world or some scary beast that come from nowhere.

10 years ago, if bought a property with loan generally come with BLR + 0~1 %
Now home loan with BLR -2%,

So, even with the rate hike of 0.5%, current loan borrower still "enjoy" way cheaper rate than previous borrower.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 8 2014, 03:06 PM)
Previously, I remember small fluctuation in BLR does not change the installment amount. Very troublesome for bank and a lot of admin cost involved. If they want to change the installment amount, they have millions of customers' loan to process

But I don't know now everything paperless and email/sms. Maybe the adjustment is just a press of a button.

My bet is they won't bother to change with just 0.25%. And by not changing, they can make more money giving longer loans
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Interest rate is confirmed to rise in July and followed by another rise in September this year.

So I hope everyone is ready for the ride up!!!  rclxm9.gif

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...debt-risk-grows
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Interest rate is expected to rise, not confirm to rise. Just wait for another 48 hours, you will know the outcome.

if increase by .25%, for outstanding loan of 1mil, monthly instalment increase about rm100 - RM 150 per month depending on tenure of the loan. For people who can get 1mil loan, will it be a problem?

I bet there will be no rate increase in 2014. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Interest rate is expected to rise, not confirm to rise. Just wait for another 48 hours, you will know the outcome.

if increase by .25%, for outstanding loan of 1mil, monthly instalment increase about rm100 - RM 150 per month depending on tenure of the loan. For people who can get 1mil loan, will it be a problem?

I bet there will be no rate increase in 2014.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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So rise 0.25% not an issue at all. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 11:01 AM)
Collapse is difficult.. bit correction deoending on location could be as high of 30% from the asking price not the original purchased price..

all in still untung margin low.. for subsequent subsales purchase price stagnation confirm there for 5 years at least especially newly vp by 2012 onwards .
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 8 2014, 03:49 PM)
Interest rate is expected to rise, not confirm to rise. Just wait for another 48 hours, you will know the outcome.

if increase by .25%, for outstanding loan of 1mil, monthly instalment increase about rm100 - RM 150 per month depending on tenure of the loan. For people who can get 1mil loan, will it be a problem?

I bet there will be no rate increase in 2014.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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wow 1 million loans... me and my gf jointly qualify more than this but we felt this is going to be burdening.. why ? 100-150(per house) increase of course ok.. for loans only and for the remaining 6 months of 2014.. other increase such as goods, necessities,, each categories of necessities increase 100-150 monthly and coupled with GST.. easily hit 1k per person one..

you also notice hire purchase interest also naik di.. 2.7% or 3.1% per annum

when it is alone, of course not going to affect, but when all are bundle together and in numbers, you will see the effect..

right?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 03:31 PM)
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Ya. I am sure there will be a thread to report whether installment increase or not after the rate hike
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i opined increase in installments.. otherwise why bother increasing the interest?
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i opined increase in installments.. otherwise why bother increasing the interest?
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i opined increase in installments.. otherwise why bother increasing the interest?
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A one time increase of 0.25 will not hurt much.

It will become interesting when there are 2 -3 hikes in a year, significantly increasing borrowing cost.
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sometimes bank no bother by the old loan installment when then can absorb the increment of interest as they can earn back from other investment. Coz they know customer will jump if increase of interest while their competitor staying put.
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Home loan interest rate out there either quoted in BLR +/- or Klibor + x%.

When BNM raised the OPR, it will affect the BLR and Klibor.

There is no such thing of old loan doesn't affected by rate changing unless the loan is fixed rate in the first place.

Bank doesn't bother to adjust the monthly repayment, doesn't mean one is not affected by higher rate, bank charge the interest rate based on your home loan stated rate, which is either BLR +/- or Klibor, which means instead of finish the loan at 25 years, it needs more time to clear up the loan due to higher rate.

Look at your statement of home loan sent which stated clearly the outstanding amount, interest charge etc.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 04:30 PM)
Home loan interest rate out there either quoted in BLR +/- or Klibor + x%.

When BNM raised the OPR, it will affect the BLR and Klibor.

There is no such thing of old loan doesn't affected by rate changing unless the loan is fixed rate in the first place.

Bank doesn't bother to adjust the monthly repayment, doesn't mean one is not affected by higher rate, bank charge the interest rate based on your home loan stated rate, which is either BLR +/- or Klibor, which means instead of finish the loan at 25 years, it needs more time to clear up the loan due to higher rate.

Look at your statement of home loan sent which stated clearly the outstanding amount, interest charge etc.
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LOL.... i dun dare to watch... later scared 14 floor.. but i will observe all banks how they gonna do with the raise of interest rate. If got one bank staying put then i will switch loan liao.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 04:30 PM)
Home loan interest rate out there either quoted in BLR +/- or Klibor + x%.

When BNM raised the OPR, it will affect the BLR and Klibor.

There is no such thing of old loan doesn't affected by rate changing unless the loan is fixed rate in the first place.

Bank doesn't bother to adjust the monthly repayment, doesn't mean one is not affected by higher rate, bank charge the interest rate based on your home loan stated rate, which is either BLR +/- or Klibor, which means instead of finish the loan at 25 years, it needs more time to clear up the loan due to higher rate.

Look at your statement of home loan sent which stated clearly the outstanding amount, interest charge etc.
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for owners who bought earlier with lower rate, good for rental play especially for those with +cashflow...
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A one time increase of 0.25 will not hurt much.

It will become interesting when there are 2 -3 hikes in a year, significantly increasing borrowing cost.
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for the record, our interest rates did hit some 13% to 14%, and is now being bankrupt.. good time to restart the property market.. even is too far fetch.. but if one of the bank collapse or being taken over which is highly likely, then the story will fall perfectly.. perfecto..
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No rasa to me at all, my initial rate is 6.75 and drop to 5.xx. Bank asked me reduce installmt i rejected. Wait it raise to 13 and 14 maybe i got little bit feel
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 8 2014, 12:01 PM)
so i used a home loan simulator to simulate loan repayment in an ideal condition:

RM 150k loan @ 6.6% interest & 6.85% interest for 20 yrs

@ 6.6% = 1,014 monhtly

@ 6.85% = 1,035 monthly

and additional of RM 21 / month

in summary:

1. an additional of 11.5 months longer loan tenure if the monthly commitment is the same

2. an additional of RM 5,040 interest (?)

http://www.maybank2u.com.my/calculator/for...c-homeLoan.html
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Almost right this time, but the calculator input is house price not loan amount, so the loan amout is actually 135k and installment different is 21 rm different.

Also if bank negara decided to increase the interest rate by 0.25 doesnt means banks will follow to increase the, normally they will increase their blr by 0.25 or more maybe 0.3. BLR is decided by bank and not bank negara i think.
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Interest rate is expected to rise, not confirm to rise. Just wait for another 48 hours, you will know the outcome.

if increase by .25%, for outstanding loan of 1mil, monthly instalment increase about rm100 - RM 150 per month depending on tenure of the loan. For people who can get 1mil loan, will it be a problem?

I bet there will be no rate increase in 2014.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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U rich people talk different, to me rm 150 can has few good meal aledi.

Hope it will not increase, i want to have more good meal ...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 04:35 PM)
for the record, our interest rates did hit some 13% to 14%, and is now being bankrupt.. good time to restart the property market.. even is too far fetch.. but if one of the bank collapse or being taken over which is highly likely, then the story will fall perfectly.. perfecto..
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Yes, it did hit 10% ++ at one time. And a lot of uncle and aunty who have been hoarding cash all these while were going around shopping for best Fixed Deposit rate in town..Haha, this only apply to those who are loaded with cash.

Nevertheless, I don't foresee OPR hitting 10% ++ that soon UNLESS a crisis happened again.

Currently rates are very low in the US, as low as 0.25%. A lot of foreign fund manager are borrowing money with low interest rate and then they are dumping those money into MGS which is giving them very good return like 3 -4 % depending on the bond tenure. (You can research more about the yield of MGS in the paper everyday).

The party will start to end when the Fed start to increase interest rate in US. Of course, this will happen slowly, gradually, but a lot of analyst forecast that rate will slowly normalize to 4% within the next few years. (I am quoting analyst here, so don't shoot me, hahahaha. Nobody knows the answer here as everything is constantly changing all the time)

When rate is about to hit 4%, all the foreign fund manager will start selling their holdings in MGS, and bring their money back to US. Keep in mind that more than 40% of MGS are currently been sold to foreign funds. In order to prevent massive outflow of fund, BNM will have no choice but to raise rates in order to keep up with the rate increase in US.
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Yes, it did hit 10% ++ at one time.  And a lot of uncle and aunty who have been hoarding cash all these while were going around shopping for best Fixed Deposit rate in town..Haha, this only apply to those who are loaded with cash.

Nevertheless, I don't foresee OPR hitting 10% ++ that soon UNLESS a crisis happened again.

Currently rates are very low in the US, as low as 0.25%. A lot of foreign fund manager are borrowing money with low interest rate and then they are dumping those money into MGS which is giving them very good return like 3 -4 % depending on the bond tenure. (You can research more about the yield of MGS in the paper everyday).

The party will start to end when the Fed start to increase interest rate in US. Of course, this will happen slowly, gradually, but a lot of analyst forecast that rate will slowly normalize to 4% within the next few years. (I am quoting analyst here, so don't shoot me, hahahaha. Nobody knows the answer here as everything is constantly changing all the time)

When rate is about to hit 4%, all the foreign fund manager will start selling their holdings in MGS, and bring their money back to US. Keep in mind that more than 40% of MGS are currently been sold to foreign funds. In order to prevent massive outflow of fund, BNM will have no choice but to raise rates in order to keep up with the rate increase in US.
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i tell you even it hit 13% 14% sure got ppl say no feeling one... but if you calculate it... 13% to 14% is not worthwhile of property investment
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U rich people talk different, to me rm 150 can has few good meal aledi.

Hope it will not increase, i want to have more good meal ...
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wah few good meal.. for me maybe 10 meals di or 12 meals... you all taikors
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wah few good meal.. for me maybe 10 meals di or 12 meals... you all taikors
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150/0.70(bread) = app. 214 bread, so i can eat for 71 days of bread... sweat.gif
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You guys got money buy the cow, no money buy the rope tongue.gif
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You guys got money buy the cow, no money buy the rope  tongue.gif
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No rasa to me at all, my initial rate is 6.75 and drop to 5.xx. Bank asked me reduce installmt i rejected. Wait it raise to 13 and 14 maybe i got little bit feel
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If really goes up 13% or 14% investment will not be worthwhile already.. even rich ppl are not that emotional to do it.. if you lay down calculation..not worthwhile prop appreciation can not go that high to cover intetest
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Download free mortgage app from google play store or apple store.

Or use excel amortization function.

You will see how much 0.25 basis points will increase your mthly repayment.
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Hi Sifus, newbie here, can ya all give me the defintions of the terms you use? BBB, DDD, OPR, etc..?
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Why all said hike 25 points? Confirm?

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Hi Sifus, newbie here, can ya all give me the defintions of the terms you use?  BBB, DDD, OPR, etc..?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 8 2014, 01:07 PM)
yeah, but you don't have to pay assessment, maintenance, etc. Things spoiled also you don't need to fix.

People who buy house forget a lot of thing need to fix.

For landed property, you also need to fix roof leaks that cost until RM50k if got attack from anai2.
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 8 2014, 03:49 PM)
Interest rate is expected to rise, not confirm to rise. Just wait for another 48 hours, you will know the outcome.

if increase by .25%, for outstanding loan of 1mil, monthly instalment increase about rm100 - RM 150 per month depending on tenure of the loan. For people who can get 1mil loan, will it be a problem?

I bet there will be no rate increase in 2014.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I put my bet this year no rate increase

If increase 0.25 like tai kor here said, drink less one day in bar already can save more than this figure
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 04:35 PM)
for the record, our interest rates did hit some 13% to 14%, and is now being bankrupt.. good time to restart the property market.. even is too far fetch.. but if one of the bank collapse or being taken over which is highly likely, then the story will fall perfectly.. perfecto..
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If property market collapse and interest rate at 12% u think ddd dare buy?
This is not sarcastic statement but I really interested to know ddd dare to shop that time?

Let say 1 mil prop now drop to 700k , interest rate at 12-13% , will they commit?
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If property market collapse and interest rate at 12% u think ddd dare buy?
This is not sarcastic statement but I really interested to know ddd dare to shop that time?

Let say 1 mil prop now drop to 700k , interest rate at 12-13% , will they commit?
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only drop 30% these kind of slumps happen more than that , you guys really got strong holding power... you see good times we cant buy, bad times also cant buy.. why not choose a way like above then still chances to buy?

that time DDD only interested in fulfilling stomach instead, the effect of this is property price slumps.. and when it slumps, it require time to go up.. and after recession there wont be sudden leap of price.. right bo?
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 8 2014, 09:36 PM)
If property market collapse and interest rate at 12% u think ddd dare buy?
This is not sarcastic statement but I really interested to know ddd dare to shop that time?

Let say 1 mil prop now drop to 700k , interest rate at 12-13% , will they commit?
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If that really happen, it's indeed good time for people with strong / adequate cash in hands to go in.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 04:06 PM)
wow 1 million loans... me and my gf jointly qualify more than this but we felt this is going to be burdening.. why ? 100-150(per house) increase of course ok.. for loans only and for the remaining 6 months of 2014.. other increase such as goods, necessities,, each categories of necessities increase 100-150 monthly and coupled with GST.. easily hit 1k per person one..

you also notice hire purchase interest also naik di.. 2.7% or 3.1% per annum

when it is alone, of course not going to affect, but when all are bundle together and in numbers, you will see the effect..

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Then the inflation is not cause by interest rate alone. I think petrol and electricity increase have more impact. Whenever there is an increae, sure u can see many people complaint. Some even go on for demonstration. This have been happening after GE13. Do u see property price drop 30%?😆
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Then the inflation is not cause by interest rate alone. I think petrol and electricity increase have more impact. Whenever there is an increae, sure u can see many people complaint. Some even go on for demonstration. This have been happening after GE13. Do u see property price drop 30%?😆
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i opined increase in installments.. otherwise why bother increasing the interest?
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The interest rate increase will affect not only prop loan. BNM need to consider the economy as a whole, not only prop market. Eg FDI etc. So, i dont think the purpose of increase is to cool down prop market. There is more method can be used to cool down the market. Anyway, the market is very cold now time to warm up again.
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The interest rate increase will affect not only prop loan. BNM need to consider the economy as a whole, not only prop market. Eg FDI etc. So, i dont think the purpose of increase is to cool down prop market. There is more method can be used to cool down the market. Anyway, the market is very cold now time to warm up again.
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cool market= time to let go... not simply say one...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 10:24 PM)
cool market= time to let go... not simply say one...
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What u mean cool market = time to let go?
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unless market is made up of cash rich and strong holding power ... majority correction/drop is sure to hit...
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Aiyo, if to come out with 150 a month, i just need to cut my astro can liao. Do i need to fire sell my prop because of 150? Not enough then cut unify, cook and eat at home... so many way to find extra 150 per mth. Don be so negative.
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 8 2014, 10:26 PM)
Aiyo, if to come out with 150 a month, i just need to cut my astro can liao. Do i need to fire sell my prop because of 150? Not enough then cut unify, cook and eat at home... so many way to find extra 150 per mth. Don be so negative.
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u sure the 25 point increase and other will stagnantly maintain? up to you men.. if i were you, 150 per month increase not even worth my time commenting right?
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What u mean cool market = time to let go?
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Why need to let go? If still got income to serve the loan,what is the problem?
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If property market collapse and interest rate at 12% u think ddd dare buy?
This is not sarcastic statement but I really interested to know ddd dare to shop that time?

Let say 1 mil prop now drop to 700k , interest rate at 12-13% , will they commit?
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By then they also lost their income. Dare to buy become secondary.
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u sure the 25 point increase and other will stagnantly maintain? up to you men.. if i were you, 150 per month increase not even worth my time commenting right?
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150 increase is for mil loan le. If you expect 1500 increase u need to hav outstanding loan of 10mil. If u wan to talk on chain effect, petrol price and electric have bigger effect and more likely to happen.
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Why need to let go? If still got income to serve the loan,what is the problem?
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Dun know. Need to ask BBW.
In fact, should buy during cool market n let go during market hot. Maybe BBW got diff strategy n opinion.
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u sure the 25 point increase and other will stagnantly maintain? up to you men.. if i were you, 150 per month increase not even worth my time commenting right?
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bearbear won't buy property liao tongue.gif

Because there will always be bad news at any point of your life. If every bad news makes you re-think of your plan, then you will never buy property in this life

Interest rate used to be ~10%. If you can't afford installment with +3% interest rate as contingency, then you cannot afford that property. Like the DDD like to say - you don't have holding power
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buy after rate increase la can BLR - 2.7 .. untung. those already high commitment, abit squezed
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 10:28 PM)
u sure the 25 point increase and other will stagnantly maintain? up to you men.. if i were you, 150 per month increase not even worth my time commenting right?
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u might be over stretch urself when the impact of 0.25% increase is so significant to u. The 1st time i buy house in 2011 upon geting my key that time the banker inform me that Blr has go up from 6.3% to 6.6%, its real impact was just slightly reduce my monthly saving, and my wife don't even realize there is increase of interest rate because the additional amount was shared by 2 person.
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QUOTE(kradun @ Jul 8 2014, 11:26 PM)
u might be over stretch urself when the impact of 0.25% increase is so significant to u. The 1st time i buy house in 2011 upon geting my key that time the banker inform me that Blr has go up from 6.3% to 6.6%, its real impact was just slightly reduce my monthly saving, and my wife don't even realize there is increase of interest rate because the additional amount was shared by 2 person.
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ya lor.. no need worry.. too small an amount and negligable..
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May I ask something off topic:
To buy a house worth rm800k, how much the basic salary one must have?

I refer to RHB website's housing loan affordability calculator but not sure if it is too stringent or not.

Please advice.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 11:28 PM)
ya lor.. no need worry.. too small an amount and negligable..
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May I ask something off topic:
To buy a house worth rm800k, how much the basic salary one must have?

I refer to RHB website's housing loan affordability calculator but not sure if it is too stringent or not.

Please advice.
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I think rm5k nett (already minus all commitment, epf, tax)
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 8 2014, 11:40 PM)
May I ask something off topic:
To buy a house worth rm800k, how much the basic salary one must have?

I refer to RHB website's housing loan affordability calculator but not sure if it is too stringent or not.

Please advice.
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800k, 35 years max stretch, 10% dp, assuming bank valuation get 90%, loan amount 720k

around 3k, the best rates is RHB bank for that value.. means

70% DSR assuming no commitments, 5000 nett salary gross should be around 5.7k.. but ngam ngam qualify you will live with remaining 2 k for the whole month..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 10:28 PM)
u sure the 25 point increase and other will stagnantly maintain? up to you men.. if i were you, 150 per month increase not even worth my time commenting right?
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It's nothing , just charge to tenant anyway. Not happy then choose other house to stay , lol
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM)
Only 25 points increase in july and another 25 points in sept.. total baru 0.5.. ppl eat snacks midnight also more than these increase..

the market are consist of prompt loan servicer.. and these investors are mostly cash rich... and all not waiting for sale..

increase one shot to blr 8% or 10%.. since most subsales is not moving /cannot sell..
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Then? Rent for the rest of ur life? Car also need maintenance ma.. Takkan u wanna take bus everyday meh?  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 11:49 PM)
800k, 35 years max stretch, 10% dp, assuming bank valuation get 90%, loan amount 720k

around 3k, the best rates is RHB bank for that value.. means

70% DSR assuming no commitments, 5000 nett salary gross should be around 5.7k.. but ngam ngam qualify you will live with remaining 2 k for the whole month..
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Too much assumption liao.

Bro bear hav u decided to try out the practical work instead???


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thestar reported it may likley be tomorrow:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...mal-impact.aspx
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@hey_there Actually there's nothing wrong renting for the rest of lfe. You can't bring house to your coffin also.  icon_idea.gif
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U r in the middle of getting a loan too right? Then y r u buying? Yea, I can't bring house to coffin but my next of keen can live after that..

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Just wait. No need gugu har.
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Could there be castrophic in prop market like brazil -germany 7-1?
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U r in the middle of getting a loan too right? Then y r u buying? Yea, I can't bring house to coffin but my next of keen can live after that..
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If leasehold government to take bek lu... or pay premium..
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confirmed naik liao...

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-hike-this-week

"Malaysia is certain to begin normalising monetary policy soon, and the first rate hike in more than three years may come as early as this week, said Moody's Analytics. "


""Financial imbalances are also firmly in the central bank's sights; rate hikes are needed to avoid asset bubbles after a big buildup in household debt," he said in a statement today."



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thestar reported it may likley be tomorrow:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...mal-impact.aspx
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DDD= down down down , property down
BBB= buy buy buy, property up
DSR: debt servicing ratio
OPR: Overnight policy rate
RE: real estate/property market
II: will short forms that Man U used
BLR: Base Lending rate , currently 6.6% , increasing in July to 6.85%
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all only speculation. let's wait until tomorrow for the announcement. i doubt it will increase. maybe increase in sept and not in month of ramadhan.
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If leasehold government to take bek lu... or pay premium..
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Then dun buy leasehold lo... As simple as that
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kl mostly if not leasehold meh? or Malai reserve maa.. freehold very very few..
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IMO, regardless of leasehold or freehold, if the government want the land, they will give eviction order and some compensation to the landlord.
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kl mostly if not leasehold meh? or Malai reserve maa.. freehold very very few..
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Kepong has Freehold. smile.gif

now selangor started to have more leasehold
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kl mostly if not leasehold meh? or Malai reserve maa.. freehold very very few..
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This is just a small obstacle and should not be made an excuse for not buying a property as suggested by ts that one should rent forever due to maintenance of a property.
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Kepong has Freehold. smile.gif

now selangor started to have more leasehold
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Agree. There r still a lot of freehold in kl. The question is u have the money or not. No money no talk lo.
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This is just a small obstacle and should not be made an excuse for not buying a property as suggested by ts that one should rent forever due to maintenance of a property.
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We buy but not overpriced properties lor.. lately subsales no good.. still want to compound with increase BLr.. sentiments no good
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all only speculation. let's wait until tomorrow for the announcement. i doubt it will increase. maybe increase in sept and not in month of ramadhan.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 9 2014, 06:01 PM)
We buy but not overpriced properties lor.. lately subsales no good.. still want to compound with increase BLr.. sentiments no good
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Subsales no good is compare to prior hot period, compare to normal period it is still hot.
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so what's latest update on this?
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so what's latest update on this?
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Industrial output is also expected to be solid with a Reuters poll predicting growth in May picked up to 4.4 per cent from a year earlier. Factory output data is due at noon today.

The central bank’s rate decision is due at 6pm. — Reuters

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.ZKuq9VHl.dpuf

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my banker has confirmed the hike
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When is the official announcement? Don't see anything on the star online or the edge..
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does this mean new applicant after blr raise to 6.85% can get better rate, such as -2.5 or -2.6?
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does this mean new applicant after blr raise to 6.85% can get better rate, such as -2.5 or -2.6?
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nope.. if minus BLR get so high then no point to increase BLR, you still get rates of minus 2.4 or best 2.45

you will pay more installments to bank if interest increased
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let countdown and speculate...

maybe like brazil, hehe 7.0% BLR... minus 2.45
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 04:53 PM)
nope.. if minus BLR get so high then no point to increase BLR, you still get rates of minus 2.4 or best  2.45

you will pay more installments to bank if interest increased
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ic ic .. i m in the mist of deciding which bank to choose from.
The bank that i dun like offer me -2.45, while my favor bank offer -2.4 for first 3 years and -2.45 for the remaining 32years.
Mind sharing your opinion on this? Shall I stick to my favor bank?
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ic ic .. i m in the mist of deciding which bank to choose from.
The bank that i dun like offer me -2.45, while my favor bank offer -2.4 for first 3 years and -2.45 for the remaining 32years.
Mind sharing your opinion on this? Shall I stick to my favor bank?
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which bank u no like?
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ic ic .. i m in the mist of deciding which bank to choose from.
The bank that i dun like offer me -2.45, while my favor bank offer -2.4 for first 3 years and -2.45 for the remaining 32years.
Mind sharing your opinion on this? Shall I stick to my favor bank?
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actually your case were just merely 0.05 only.. not much difference bank negara here increasing 0.25 also very low effect..

your loan amount is not high izzit below 500k? 3 years only. choose the one you favour
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which bank u no like?
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maybank, my guess or bank rakyat, they are competitive lately in loan rates
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QUOTE(wen @ Jul 10 2014, 06:05 PM)
ic ic .. i m in the mist of deciding which bank to choose from.
The bank that i dun like offer me -2.45, while my favor bank offer -2.4 for first 3 years and -2.45 for the remaining 32years.
Mind sharing your opinion on this? Shall I stick to my favor bank?
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In this case, I would say proceed to your favor bank... nod.gif
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which bank u no like?
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R, M, C ... I scared if i list out then all become i no like. Cos i m bias ( I do admit I am blush.gif )

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 05:11 PM)
actually your case were just merely 0.05 only.. not much difference bank negara here increasing 0.25 also very low effect..

your loan amount is not high izzit below 500k?  3 years only. choose the one you favour
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is above 500k .. and above 600k .... doh.gif doh.gif

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Thanks for all your opinion. I think i will stick to my favor bank
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R, M, C ...  I scared if i list out then all become i no like. Cos i m bias ( I do admit I am blush.gif )
is above 500k .. and above 600k ....  doh.gif  doh.gif
Thanks for all your opinion. I think i will stick to my favor bank
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Just side track, R, M(another M), C may seek for merger ...

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...-seek-to-merge/
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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Jul 10 2014, 05:45 PM)
Just side track, R, M(another M), C may seek for merger ...

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...-seek-to-merge/
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everyone say merger means stronger, i say merger means someone is losing money.. once merged, dilution of power is true.. shareholders share sure to be diluted under merger.. looks like RHB bank collapsing... OSK and MSBS fast lor...

look at those insurance companies, more merger less number of insurance company... haizzz

i suspect RHB giving so good rates di.. you kow why like EON cap last time, keep giving out loans like mad, coz in papaer if you give out more loans means your company share on take over time higher lor, can sell higher, now RHB are trying this pattern ah?

yum yum to come...


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Any announcement on the OPR rake hike yet?
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countdown lorr... hehehhehe... 50 basic points one shot
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Will the current projects give more discount and new yet to be launched project will start at a lower price?
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countdown lorr... hehehhehe... 50 basic points one shot
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haha....agreed. Cannot slowly slowly up......one shot 50 basic points gaodim for this year.

After that, focus on petrol subsi, tnb subsi and GST. sad.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 06:02 PM)
link please, congratulations... waiting for September luu
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QUOTE(celinek @ Jul 10 2014, 06:05 PM)
How to interpret this?
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Increase Liao....

I can hear the crashing sound...
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How much going to increase?
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QUOTE(celinek @ Jul 10 2014, 06:05 PM)
How to interpret this?
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meaning 6.6%

effective today

6.6% + 0.25% = 6.85%

so loans of 100k = 6.85% - 2.4% the best(depending on banks)= 4.45%

yearly pay= 4,450 for 100k..

september another round hehe.. wahhh 6.85% + 0.25 again = 7.1 still low...

before gst, one more 0.5= 7.6 just nice..
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QUOTE(justjerm @ Jul 10 2014, 05:57 PM)
Will the current projects give more discount and new yet to be launched project will start at a lower price?
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Depend on how bank react. If bank -2.6 then no different lor. But if bank still -2.4 then property will be priced cheaper.
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Embargo : Not for publication or broadcast before 18 00 hours on Thursday 10 July 2014 Monetary Policy Statement

At the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) meeting today, Bank Negara Malaysia decided to raise the Overnight Policy Rate (OPR) by 25 basis points to 3.25 percent. The floor and ceiling rates of the corridor for the OPR are correspondingly raised to 3.00 percent and 3.50 percent respectively.

After moderating in the first quarter, the global economy has resumed its path of gradual recovery. Economic activity in the major advanced economies continues to expand at a modest pace. In Asia, the better external environment is supporting growth amid continued expansion in domestic demand. In this environment, international financial markets have remained relatively stable.

For Malaysia, latest indicators point to continued strength in exports and private sector activity. Going forward, the overall growth momentum is expected to be sustained. Exports will continue to benefit from the recovery in the advanced economies and from regional demand. Investment activity is projected to remain robust, led by the private sector. Private consumption will be supported by stable income growth and favourable labour market conditions. The prospects are therefore for the Malaysian economy to remain firmly on a steady growth path.

Inflation has been relatively stable as the effects of the price adjustments for utilities and energy continue to moderate. Demand driven inflation remains contained. Looking ahead, inflation is, however, expected to remain above its long-run average due to the higher domestic cost factors.

Amid the firm growth prospects and with inflation remaining above its long-run average, the MPC decided to adjust the degree of monetary accommodation. This normalisation of monetary conditions also aims to mitigate the risk of broader economic and financial imbalances that could undermine the growth prospects of the Malaysian economy. At the new level of the OPR, the stance of monetary policy remains supportive of the economy.

Further review of the degree of monetary accommodation will depend on the MPC’s assessment of the balance of risks surrounding the outlook for domestic growth and inflation. At the same time, the MPC will also continue to monitor for risks of destabilising financial imbalances.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:08 PM)
Depend on how bank react. If bank -2.6 then no different lor. But if bank still -2.4 then property will be priced cheaper.
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bank please start with -2.35% blr.. 2.4 so long di.. 2.45 no more lorr..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 06:09 PM)
bank please start with -2.35% blr.. 2.4 so long di.. 2.45 no more lorr..
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I think this is the most happy news BBW kor kor hear for 3 years... Hahah
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:08 PM)
Depend on how bank react. If bank -2.6 then no different lor. But if bank still -2.4 then property will be priced cheaper.
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How the property can be cheaper?
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I think this is the most happy news BBW kor kor hear for 3 years... Hahah
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 06:07 PM)
meaning 6.6%

effective today

6.6% + 0.25% = 6.85%

so loans of 100k = 6.85% - 2.4% the best(depending on banks)= 4.45%

yearly pay= 4,450 for 100k..

september another round  hehe.. wahhh 6.85% + 0.25 again = 7.1 still low...

before gst, one more 0.5= 7.6 just nice..
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Haha, cannot up so fast will kill the economy
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Yeap.. +0.25
Bank should be busy printing letters...

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...-rate-by-25bps/

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effective when our monthly loan will increase?
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post Jul 10 2014, 06:18 PM

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0.25% .. so little
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I just message my banker ask him to give me -2.65
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effective when our monthly loan will increase?
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most probably monthly loan will not increase, but the tenure longer
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 06:07 PM)
meaning 6.6%

effective today

6.6% + 0.25% = 6.85%

so loans of 100k = 6.85% - 2.4% the best(depending on banks)= 4.45%

yearly pay= 4,450 for 100k..

september another round  hehe.. wahhh 6.85% + 0.25 again = 7.1 still low...

before gst, one more 0.5= 7.6 just nice..
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So basically it is extra Rm 250 per Rm 100k loan... or Rm 20/month.
So typical Rm 500k loan need to serve extra Rm 100 per month.

Seems small impact in look in isolation... but if it indeed raise again 2more time before GST... then the impact will be kau kau. More ever for those speculator with little holding power.

even if with good holding power... not affecting them for now. But fellow flippers will panic and try to throw properties.. but buyer dun wanna buy coz fear of interest rate going higher. This force flipper to even lower the price?
So... those with good holding power- despite can continue to serve loan- what are the chances he will eventually gain?

Now... developer- am sure they will find way to survive. They are big and this is their core business. Bussiness must go on despite lower profit- so they will have attractive entry package for buyers, or lower the price if possible ( as said, less profit to survive). So... buyer will be keen of new property- instead of sub-sale?

interesting preiod. Let see let see.
many here are holding lot of cash and wait for doom. Will see if Malaysian will remain resillient?
Now.... what will happen to those large development at Johor? impact less as they focus SG/Shanghai market more?
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:18 PM)
0.25% .. so little
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Little? Buyer scream when given -2.3 instead of -2.4. Dun talk rubbish.
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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:19 PM)
So basically it is extra Rm 250 per Rm 100k loan... or Rm 20/month.
So typical Rm 500k loan need to serve extra Rm 100 per month.

Seems small impact in look in isolation... but if it indeed raise again 2more time before GST... then the impact will be kau kau.  More ever for those speculator with little holding power.

even if with good holding power... not affecting them for now. But fellow flippers will panic and try to throw properties.. but buyer dun wanna buy coz fear of interest rate going higher. This force flipper to even lower the price?
So... those with good holding power- despite can continue to serve loan- what are the chances he will eventually gain?

Now... developer- am sure they will find way to survive. They are big and this is their core business. Bussiness must go on despite lower profit- so they will have attractive entry package for buyers, or lower the price if possible ( as said, less profit to survive). So... buyer will be keen of new property- instead of sub-sale?

interesting preiod. Let see let see.
many here are holding lot of cash and wait for doom. Will see if Malaysian will remain resillient?
Now.... what will happen to those large development at Johor? impact less as they focus SG/Shanghai market more?
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Small developer will go bankrupt because their land is secured with loan.

I believe many project will be abandoned. Pity new project buyer.
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I have been trying not to involve myself in the war between the two groups...but really sorry to say...DDD never failed to amaze me...a 25 points increase in the opr can lead to market crash...r u serious???

I wont be happy if I m a DDD or WWW member...the minor adjustment is more like a political show instead of they really want to curb the speculation...
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For history BLR was only 6.75 When OPR hit 3.5 in year 2008...

So... whats now? life still goes on...and who said is 6.6% + 0.25% = 6.85% for BLR???
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QUOTE(commander571 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:22 PM)
I have been trying not to involve myself in the war between the two groups...but really sorry to say...DDD never failed to amaze me...a 25 points increase in the opr can lead to market crash...r u serious???

I wont be happy if I m a DDD or WWW member...the minor adjustment is more like a political show instead of they really want to curb the speculation...
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Eh, little also got mah. Better than nothing. At least heading that way already. BBW gor gor very happy. Dun spoil the party.
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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:23 PM)
For history BLR was only 6.75 When OPR hit 3.5 in year 2008...

So... whats now? life still goes on...and who said is 6.6% + 0.25% = 6.85% for BLR???
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Life still go on with RM20 less per month. Hahaha
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Life still go on with RM20 less per month. Hahaha
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QUOTE(commander571 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:22 PM)
I have been trying not to involve myself in the war between the two groups...but really sorry to say...DDD never failed to amaze me...a 25 points increase in the opr can lead to market crash...r u serious???

I wont be happy if I m a DDD or WWW member...the minor adjustment is more like a political show instead of they really want to curb the speculation...
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Yup.... i have the similar feel with you. There are some extra thought in this forum.
Well... forum is forum- every free to express their thought and feel. Seriously- our economy really so weak?
developer put some much capital yet has not anticipate the hike?

Also.... is OPR direct linked to BLR? not really right. Even if BLR rise, bank could still offer -2.5, or 2.6 to attract buyer.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:25 PM)
Life still go on with RM20 less per month. Hahaha
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Die liao, pocket money reduce so much need to find new part time to let it go back to healthy level else my 7mil retirement plan going to affected this time..
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 10 2014, 04:25 AM)
Life still go on with RM20 less per month. Hahaha
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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:38 PM)
Yup.... i have the similar feel with you. There are some extra thought in this forum.
Well... forum is forum- every free to express their thought and feel. Seriously- our economy really so weak?
developer put some much capital yet has not anticipate the hike?

Also.... is OPR direct linked to BLR? not really right. Even if BLR rise, bank could still offer -2.5, or 2.6 to attract buyer.
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Sell house and put the equity gain into fd. When u borrow interest hike work against u, but when u lend ur cash it work for u. It is the selling time now..
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I have a scenario for all bosses/taikors/taichers:

Let say, you are currently receiving monthly x amount of money from EPF (account2) to pay installment / ansuran for second property.
With the increase of BLR, say the new higher monthly installment is y if retaining the same loan tenure.

Has anyone successfully requested y amount from EPF?
Please advise.

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Haha I should hold my offer letter with bank if blr increase and nego for a better rate..may be -2.6 instead offer me 2.45 now..
Anyway as tai kor here said life goes on..
I not sure this is a good news or bad news to dddd..
Blr increase they have to pay more for instalment so I not sure why some of them so happy unless they are so damn rich no need loan ba
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Banks are calling for ad hoc meeting tomorrow. We will see if BLR is to follow or not.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 10 2014, 07:05 PM)
Haha I should hold my offer letter with bank if blr increase and nego for a better rate..may be -2.6 instead offer me 2.45 now..
Anyway as tai kor here said life goes on..
I not sure this is a good news or bad news to dddd..
Blr increase they have to pay more for instalment so I not sure why some of them so happy unless they are so damn rich no need loan ba
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QUOTE(kradun @ Jul 10 2014, 06:44 PM)
Sell house and put the equity gain into fd. When u borrow interest hike work against u, but when u lend ur cash it work for u. It is the selling time now..
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If everyone also sell... Who is buying?
Also take note, OPR n BLR rise not neccessary equate to FD rise ya
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Life still go on with RM20 less per month. Hahaha
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brother confirm with maybank officer, dunno he right or not.. BLR 6.85%. loan officer
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Bank Negara increase OPR, can I increase rental to my tenant?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 07:30 PM)
brother confirm with maybank officer, dunno he right or not.. BLR 6.85%. loan officer
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I msg my loan officer about -2.65 he no reply me cry.gif

QUOTE(Divana @ Jul 10 2014, 07:31 PM)
Bank Negara increase OPR, can I increase rental to my tenant?
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If everyone also sell... Who is buying?
Also take note, OPR n BLR rise not neccessary equate to FD rise ya
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It need to be balance else later the Eco system do not have strong foundation. House price have potential to go for another high level, but the more obvious one should be many happy bankers toward the year end because this time yearly bonus more likely increase from prior year.
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0.25% rise is unlikely to have any impact on property market, bnm should have increased by 0.50%

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 10 2014, 06:19 PM)
Little? Buyer scream when given -2.3 instead of -2.4. Dun talk rubbish.
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after the announcement of Blr, there was a short conversation between bearbearwong( BBW), Manchester United (MU), showtime (SH), gogo2 (gogo) , Zuiko (ZK) at a cafe shop. below are merely illustrative purposes and do not reflect the actual conversation..

BBW: eh.. eh.. ello.. ello brother MU so free to visit me? how are you?
MU: I am fine, no lar i purposely come to the shop unit i rent to you to taste your Singapor Char Bee Hon, drool.gif and also the tenancy expiring maa, going to renew.. i brought along bro SH also.
BBW: Very good, so fast tenancy end meh? sad.gif
SH: Dun waste time, fast bring your singapore char bee hon leh
BBW: Okok, wati bring 2 plates of Sing Ka Po char bee hon for these 2 boss. Brother btw i got news leh very in one..
MU: what news oh BBW? you bought 1 units of luxury condominium in Orchard Road Singkapore after frying so many sING -KA-po cahr bee hon? rclxms.gif
SH: hahaha
BBW: Walao eh.. brothers, you joking meh, linpeh KL high rise also cannot buy how to buy Singapore oh? Teasing me.
MU: Okok lor.. what news you have?
BBW: Eh you know, that Bank Negara sipeh Jialat lehh.. they just increase the BLR from 6.6 % to 6.85% wor..
SH: haiya relax lahhh, 25 basic points only.. 100k increase around RM20 monthly... keluar masuk starbucks already RM20 maa.. why worry
MU: oi, apalah you, me loan this shop 1.5 million wor.. rent to BBW also reduced rental coz rental cannot cover loans maa.. how much like that?
SH: Errr.. RM20 monthly for 100k, so 1.5 million is around (15 X RM20). Around.. 300 lor
MU: wah 300 ah monthly... i got few properties sumore lehh, luckily BBW rent this unit from me
BBW: brother, so how my rental rates? increase RM300 monthly ah? Bank negara want to increase on September another 25 points wor.. like that BLR is 7.1%
MU: Brother you sure or not like that very jialat, suddenly RM600... then i have to increase RM600 lor..
BBW: wah... suckk blood mehhh... taukeh how many Singapore Char Bee hon i need fry oh
SH: Ya wor... RM600 dun pray pray.. Toyota vios 1 unit gone
MU: Aiyo, BBW why so hard.. my rental RM600 only maa.. i also service the bank one.. is justified one for the increase...
BBW: bro, business bo good leh?
MU: BBW you got learn taichi before or not? Let me teach you... I increase RM600, you increase your Char Bee hon another RM0.50 each plate lor.. easy maa, you can profit too.. customer ask you say rental increase, they ask why rental increase, you say bank negara increase BLR lor..
BBW: Thank you bro MU and SH... good idea.. like that many other tings will also increase lor.. all sure take opportunity one maa.. car interest leh? personal loans?
MU: That one you chap sang... hehehe
SH: yum yum

on another table bro ZK

ZK: Oi, bro Mu u lucky lor got ppl rent, my unit bo lang rent suddenly need to fork out RM600 extra sipeh jialat.. mad.gif
MU: Investment maa... thumbup.gif
Gogo: Hey bros... apalah you guys havent calculated GST yet...6% next year leh

ZK,MU,BBW, SH: Jialat lorrrrrrrrr...

in this exercise rentals shall increase to cushion the BLR increase, and thus price related to it will increase further..thus the buying powers of purchasers further deteriorate , with current condition subsales already so low, with this coming in and rental yields failed to cover loans and further making the range to cover loans bigger causing investors to fork out more money to service loans.. low end flippers might face problem if bank negara increase again after 2nd increase, after GST.. more bleeding.. as we can see.. units are not sellable..

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 10 2014, 07:47 PM)
0.25% rise is unlikely to have any impact on property market, bnm should have increased by 0.50%
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Bnm still wan it to grow, but in a slower pace, they don't have other choice.
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QUOTE(kradun @ Jul 10 2014, 07:55 PM)
Bnm still wan it to grow, but in a slower pace, they don't have other choice.
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wow, very humble words from you.. i am checking after increase in BLR, will the minus BLR increase, decrease or maintain?
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wow, very humble words from you.. i am checking after increase in BLR, will the minus BLR increase, decrease or maintain?
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Last time increase 0.3% also get similar offer from bank. Loan with reference to blr is going to end with no further lower interest rate.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 07:50 PM)
after the announcement of Blr, there was a short conversation between bearbearwong( BBW), Manchester United (MU), showtime (SH), gogo2 (gogo) , Zuiko (ZK) at a cafe shop. below are merely illustrative purposes and do not reflect the actual conversation..

BBW: eh.. eh.. ello.. ello brother MU so free to visit me? how are you?
MU: I am fine, no lar i purposely come to the shop unit i rent to you to taste your Singapor Char Bee Hon,  drool.gif  and also the tenancy expiring maa, going to renew.. i brought along bro SH also.
BBW: Very good, so fast tenancy end meh? sad.gif
SH: Dun waste time, fast bring your singapore char bee hon leh
BBW: Okok, wati bring 2 plates of Sing Ka Po char bee hon for these 2 boss. Brother btw i got news leh very in one..
MU: what news oh BBW? you bought 1 units of luxury condominium in Orchard Road Singkapore after frying so many sING -KA-po cahr bee hon?  rclxms.gif
SH: hahaha
BBW: Walao eh.. brothers, you joking meh, linpeh KL high rise also cannot buy how to buy Singapore oh? Teasing me.
MU: Okok lor.. what news you have?
BBW: Eh you know, that Bank Negara sipeh Jialat lehh.. they just increase the BLR from 6.6 % to 6.85% wor..
SH: haiya relax lahhh, 25 basic points only.. 100k increase around RM20 monthly... keluar masuk starbucks already RM20 maa.. why worry
MU: oi, apalah you, me loan this shop 1.5 million wor.. rent to BBW also reduced rental coz rental cannot cover loans maa.. how much like that?
SH: Errr.. RM20 monthly for 100k, so 1.5 million is around (15 X RM20). Around.. 300 lor
MU: wah 300 ah monthly... i got few properties sumore lehh, luckily BBW rent this unit from me
BBW: brother, so how my rental rates? increase RM300 monthly ah? Bank negara want to increase on September another 25 points wor.. like that BLR is 7.1%
MU: Brother you sure or not like that very jialat, suddenly RM600... then i have to increase RM600 lor..
BBW: wah... suckk blood mehhh... taukeh how many Singapore Char Bee hon i need fry oh
SH: Ya wor... RM600 dun pray pray.. Toyota vios 1 unit gone
MU: Aiyo, BBW why so hard.. my rental RM600 only maa.. i also service the bank one.. is justified one for the increase...
BBW: bro, business bo good leh?
MU: BBW you got learn taichi before or not? Let me teach you... I increase RM600, you increase your Char Bee hon another RM0.50 each plate lor.. easy maa, you can profit too.. customer ask you say rental increase, they ask why rental increase, you say bank negara increase BLR lor..
BBW: Thank you bro MU and SH... good idea.. like that many other tings will also increase lor.. all sure take opportunity one maa.. car interest leh? personal loans?
MU: That one you chap sang... hehehe
SH: yum yum

on another table bro ZK

ZK: Oi, bro Mu u lucky lor got ppl rent, my unit bo lang rent suddenly need to fork out RM600 extra sipeh jialat.. mad.gif
MU: Investment maa...  thumbup.gif
Gogo: Hey bros... apalah you guys havent calculated GST yet...6% next year leh

ZK,MU,BBW, SH: Jialat lorrrrrrrrr...

in this exercise rentals shall increase to cushion the BLR increase, and thus price related to it will increase further..thus the buying powers of purchasers further deteriorate , with current condition subsales already so low, with this coming in and rental yields failed to cover loans and further making the range to cover loans bigger causing investors to fork out more money to service loans.. low end flippers might face problem if bank negara increase again after 2nd increase, after GST.. more bleeding.. as we can see.. units are not sellable..
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wow... after reading this, i sibeh scared d. i rent shop for biz and renting house now.. if all my rental increase, biz earn lesser and house need to pay more.. i mah si beh jialat liao?

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Last time increase 0.3% also get similar offer from bank. Loan with reference to blr is going to end with no further lower interest rate.
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yup key word is interest rates will go up, it is time.. bank need profit too.. if minus BLR maintained, then no purpose increase by bank negara..

my maybank officer no reply me di on minus BLR..
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Bank Negara increase OPR, can I increase rental to my tenant?
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wow... after reading this, i sibeh scared d. i rent shop for biz and renting house now.. if all my rental increase, biz earn lesser and house need to pay more.. i mah si beh jialat liao?
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brother baru RM600 monthly.. for a 1.5 million property... sap sap sui lahhh..but should be around those figures

but if rented should be ok just top up.. but for houses which is vacant and shops which are empty hmm...

shops nowadays around 3 million to 5 million

3 million = extra monthly paying 1,200 IF BLR 7.1
5 million = extra monthly paying 2,000 IF BLR 7.1

7.1 only by September still 2 months away.. relax... unless suddenly they increase 100 basic points on September..
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0.25% rise is unlikely to have any impact on property market, bnm should have increased by 0.50%
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Every increase has an impact.
With higher interest rate people can borrow less from the bank which will have a negative effect on property prices.
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Jialat liao. Opr naik 25 basis pts liao. No more eat rice liao. Gonna eat kaninia bread liao. sweat.gif

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Jialat liao. Opr naik 25 basis pts liao. No more eat rice liao. Gonna eat kaninia bread liao. sweat.gif

Tomolo hav to sell props.
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bearbear, nice story. I enjoy reading thumbup.gif

This is the first time you encounter interest rate increase right ? You will get use to increase and decrease in interest rate when you are long enough in investment game.

You don't have any loan now, so you are not affected. Later after you get your loan(s), you will have real life experience. Over 30 years, you will sure experience interest rates changes. From 4% - 12% for malaysia history. So, start learning now and don't be surprise by BNM's policy changes

0.25% is still too small which I think the banks will just maintain the monthly installment amount instead of adjusting it. That is my experience previously. But I am not 100% sure, so let's wait for the banks to announce. Later you can start a thread asking if we receive notice from banks or not
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bearbear, nice story. I enjoy reading  thumbup.gif

This is the first time you encounter interest rate increase right ? You will get use to increase and decrease in interest rate when you are long enough in investment game.

You don't have any loan now, so you are not affected. Later after you get your loan(s), you will have real life experience. Over 30 years, you will sure experience interest rates changes. From 4% - 12% for malaysia history. So, start learning now and don't be surprise by BNM's policy changes

0.25% is still too small which I think the banks will just maintain the monthly installment amount instead of adjusting it. That is my experience previously. But I am not 100% sure, so let's wait for the banks to announce. Later you can start a thread asking if we receive notice from banks or not
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okok sure sure.... your role is very passive lehh... biggrin.gif
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Bnm still wan it to grow, but in a slower pace, they don't have other choice.
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QUOTE(prody @ Jul 10 2014, 08:25 PM)
Every increase has an impact.
With higher interest rate people can borrow less from the bank which will have a negative effect on property prices.
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0.25% rise is unlikely to have any impact on property market, bnm should have increased by 0.50%
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Too drastic and steep rise in rate will hurt the economy.  50 bps hike in one go is highly unlikely in the current economic situation.
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september mai increase another 25 points maa.. less than 1% increase also so cannot tahan one.. where is all the cash buyers strong holding power and agents?

bank negara say all type of laons will be affected... i heard some champion say increase till 13% BLR also tak de rasa... wow..

got listen to our minister of trade ah? just mention government will rationalize petrol again by end of this year, but they say will try the best not to burden public wor...

i only see super inflation coming very soon... before GST...

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The rate hike this time round is not due to inflation, or to be more specific not triggered by demand pull inflation. Rather this is to rein in the high household debts from continue rising. Nevertheless, this is a double edge sword, on one hand it may be able to curb excessive borrowing but on the other hand it will add more burden to the existing borrowers which couple with the rising cost of living may end up to see a rise in loan default rate. Further, excessive rate increase may discourage private sector spending and impede the economic growth of the country. So, at this juncture, further rate hike in the immediate future, if any, shouldn't be higher than 25 bps.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 10:45 PM)
september mai increase another 25 points maa.. less than 1% increase also so cannot tahan one.. where is all the cash buyers strong holding power and agents?

bank negara say all type of laons will be affected... i heard some champion say increase till 13% BLR also tak de rasa... wow..

got listen to our minister of trade ah? just mention government will rationalize petrol again by end of this year, but they say will try the best not to burden public wor...

i only see super inflation coming very soon... before GST...
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The BLR was 6.6. Buyers should b glad to b given discounted rate n enjoy for so long. To b back to 6.6 if one is enjoying -2.4 now is stil quite a long way to go.

With 0.25 soon, it's no a big deal la. Bear in mind it should hav been 6.6. U havnt been thru the rough rite tats y u takut ma.

Come for luwak la. I pay urs ok. Let's tok some kok stories while enjoying luwak. On boh???
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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Jul 10 2014, 11:00 PM)
The rate hike this time round is not due to inflation, or to be more specific not triggered by demand pull inflation.  Rather this is to rein in the high household debts from continue rising.  Nevertheless, this is a double edge sword, on one hand it may be able to curb excessive borrowing but on the other hand it will add more burden to the existing borrowers which couple with the rising cost of living may end up to see a rise in loan default rate.  Further, excessive rate increase may discourage private sector spending and impede the economic growth of the country. So, at this juncture, further rate hike in the immediate future, if any, shouldn't be higher than 25 bps.
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and mostly overstretch flippers before Debt Service Ration 70% nett earnings..
last year before September, all flippers/investors like champions taking loans over 90% on gross salary.. few hundred bucks increase cannot feel yet... those going to finish and completed... hmmm

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For those bought new properties last year,will say increase 10% also no feel la,lim beh got DIBS,mayb after the project vp,interest drop ma..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 11:12 PM)
and mostly overstretch flippers before Debt Service Ration 70% nett earnings..
last year before September, all flippers/investors like champions taking loans over 90% on gross salary.. few hundred bucks increase cannot feel yet... those going to finish and completed... hmmm
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Ahem ... Bro BBW , you seems active@agressive after the announcement of OPR raised @@
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ahemmm... need alot of brain juice to do this.. sumore imagining skills.. if not happening surely ppl flame me.. after this sad.gif

how is your view ? any proximity in our views?
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Am just wondering how come some fella who predict property bubble burst and claims no buy property so concerned about rise in interest rate.......
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ahemmm... need alot of brain juice to do this.. sumore imagining skills.. if not happening surely ppl flame me.. after this  sad.gif

how is your view ? any proximity in our views?
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Every Rm100,000 equal to additional Rm20 interest / month
I have

Rm962,800 housing loan , means additional
- Rm192.56 / month (0.25)
- Rm385.12 / month (0.50)
- Rm770.24 / month (1.00)

Charge back a little to rental if tenants from company or school contact. Stay home programme longer than before.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 11:53 PM)
ahemmm... need alot of brain juice to do this.. sumore imagining skills.. if not happening surely ppl flame me.. after this  sad.gif

how is your view ? any proximity in our views?
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Every Rm100,000 equal to additional Rm20 interest / month
I have

Rm962,800 housing loan , means additional
- Rm192.56 / month (0.25)
- Rm385.12 / month (0.50)
- Rm770.24 / month (1.00)

Charge back a little to rental if tenants from company or school contact. Stay home programme longer than before.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 10 2014, 11:53 PM)
ahemmm... need alot of brain juice to do this.. sumore imagining skills.. if not happening surely ppl flame me.. after this  sad.gif

how is your view ? any proximity in our views?
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Every Rm100,000 equal to additional Rm20 interest / month
I have

Rm962,800 housing loan , means additional
- Rm192.56 / month (0.25)
- Rm385.12 / month (0.50)
- Rm770.24 / month (1.00)

Charge back a little to rental if tenants from company or school contact. Stay home programme longer than before.
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Sorry all brothers for multiple post . iPad mini hang... shocked me when i see through PC
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Sorry all brothers for multiple post .  iPad mini hang... shocked me when i see through PC
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i think the actual interest hikes in BLR are higher i saw somewhere 0.25 points means 100k paying extra 250.. assuming interest rates for HL are 4.5% the increased is 5.5% and not direct addition to 0.25 to BLR it is actually 1%.. still dunno yet..called increased borrowing cost..

if that is true it is even shitter

If you owe RM100,000, an increase of 0.25 percentage points in interest rates means an increase of RM250 a year in interest payments. If your current borrowing rate is 4.5%, per year that represents a 5.5% increase in borrowing costs.

http://www.kinibiz.com/story/tigertalk/946...raised-yet.html

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 12:14 AM)
i think the actual interest hikes in BLR are higher i saw somewhere 0.25 points means 100k paying extra 250.. assuming interest rates for HL are 4.5% the increased is 5.5% and not direct addition to 0.25 to BLR it is actually 1%.. still dunno yet..called increased borrowing cost..
just add up the 0.25% will do why need to make it so complicated.

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percentage point is not equivalent to basis point. 25 basis point is just mean 0.25%.
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lets hope so.. if not 4 folds from what i calculated:

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/988884

An analyst with a stock broking house told SunBiz that generally, if the OPR is increased, banks will pass on the cost in the form of a higher base lending rate (BLR) to consumers.

"In the past, banks have also passed on the basis points (increase) or in a similar quantum. If it's a hike of 25bps, banks will raise about 20bps to 30bps," said the analyst.

For example, if there is a 25bps increase in OPR, and assuming that banks follow suit and change their BLR by a similar quantum, consumers will see the BLR increase by 25bps (0.25%) from 6.6% to 6.85%. If there is a 50bps hike, one can generally expect that BLR will increase from 6.6% to 7.1%.

According to financial comparison portal iMoney.my, a mere 0.5% increase in BLR will result in a 14% increase in total interest paid over the loan tenure if one currently has a floating rate home loan. This is based on the example of a RM500,000 home loan of 30 years. (see table)


The BLR is at 6.6% currently but the prevailing interest rate charged by most banks is 4.2% to 4.9%. In view of this, BNM is proposing a new reference rate framework, which will be determined by the respective bank's funding costs that reflect its specific funding structure and strategy and the statutory reserve requirement.

we confirm going to hit 5% for some borrowers.. that means 100k, per year, 5%=5k, monthly=416.667

500k X 5% X 30 years= 750k
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what cause OPR to up and down?

But what causes BNM to move the OPR up or down? That’s a million dollar question. In short, if BNM’s objective is to have more liquidity in the system (more cash moving in the economy instead of tied up in savings), they would lower interest rates. If they wanted the opposite (mop up excess liquidity), they would hike interest rates.


oh bank boh money... FD will up more money more ppl put FD back...

http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/b...crease-decrease
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what cause OPR to up and down?

But what causes BNM to move the OPR up or down? That’s a million dollar question. In short, if BNM’s objective is to have more liquidity in the system (more cash moving in the economy instead of tied up in savings), they would lower interest rates. If they wanted the opposite (mop up excess liquidity), they would hike interest rates. 
oh bank boh money... FD will up more money more ppl put FD back...

http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/b...crease-decrease
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This 0.25% rise has negligible effect on property market, bnm need to increase by a further 0.5% before any impact could be felt.



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A lot people DSR is 70% already actually. So how?
Continue buy or stop and wait for a while?

Did bank offer better rate like -2.65 or -2.5%

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c, bnm need to increase by a further 0.5% before any impact could be felt.
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before you draw the conclusion "This 0.25% rise has negligible effect on property market",
have you consider 0.25% of 3% equal to hike 8.3% of interest?

Malaysia 2013 GDP ~US$312.44 Billion. ~86 GDP house household debt ~US$268.70 Billion.
do you still believe 8% interest hike no impact?


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Buyers are more worried about 6% GST next year. Most will still go ahead to book a house now, despite the rise in interest rate.
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before you draw the conclusion "This 0.25% rise has negligible effect on property market",
have you consider 0.25% of 3% equal to hike 8.3% of interest?

  Malaysia 2013 GDP ~US$312.44 Billion. ~86 GDP house household debt ~US$268.70 Billion.
do you still believe 8% interest hike no impact?
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So how does it impact you? No impact to many people.
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A lot people DSR is 70% already actually. So how?
Continue buy or stop and wait for a while?

Did bank offer better rate like -2.65 or -2.5%
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aiya tipu one... DSR was introduce last year arpund september.. so many pl buy di without DSR... less than 1 year after DSR bank negara cannot tahan di increase OPR..

you know why with DSR, these smart flippers go take renovation loan, personal loans, and other lap sap, mark up lahh price cheat banks, finance legal fees and etc so effect like no DSR, end up worse coz personals loans & constructions loans are higher in interest.. but bank side laugh till cannot see teeth.. i did so many of this...
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lets hope so.. if not 4 folds from what i calculated:

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/988884

An analyst with a stock broking house told SunBiz that generally, if the OPR is increased, banks will pass on the cost in the form of a higher base lending rate (BLR) to consumers.

"In the past, banks have also passed on the basis points (increase) or in a similar quantum. If it's a hike of 25bps, banks will raise about 20bps to 30bps," said the analyst.

For example, if there is a 25bps increase in OPR, and assuming that banks follow suit and change their BLR by a similar quantum, consumers will see the BLR increase by 25bps (0.25%) from 6.6% to 6.85%. If there is a 50bps hike, one can generally expect that BLR will increase from 6.6% to 7.1%.

According to financial comparison portal iMoney.my, a mere 0.5% increase in BLR will result in a 14% increase in total interest paid over the loan tenure if one currently has a floating rate home loan. This is based on the example of a RM500,000 home loan of 30 years. (see table)


The BLR is at 6.6% currently but the prevailing interest rate charged by most banks is 4.2% to 4.9%. In view of this, BNM is proposing a new reference rate framework, which will be determined by the respective bank's funding costs that reflect its specific funding structure and strategy and the statutory reserve requirement.

we confirm going to hit 5% for some borrowers.. that means 100k, per year, 5%=5k, monthly=416.667

500k X 5% X 30 years= 750k
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So how does it impact you? No impact to many people.
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that means bank negara and gov are both big joke lor... like doing nth, bank negara like this is always a joke:

a) RPGT naik 30%
b) removal of DIBS
c) foreigner consents
d) OPR naik
e) BR by next year
f) GST

you know what, after this, i confirm must BBB more..
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So how many bankrup cases you expect today? biggrin.gif😢✌
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adui normal rates i have now... after second OPR increase in September and after GST, i confirm bankruptcy increase 200%..

btw, you know as bankers, RHB, CIMB,MBSB, and OSK mergin.. meaning CIMG sapuing all of them... CIMB (NPL loan the most), MBSB (kwsp simply give loans before DSR), RHB memang going to die soon, see bank also cannot tahan di..

tell me is merging a good ting or what? i can only see share holder diluting their shares when merged... shareholder voice will smaller coz shares smaller.. sooner later majoprity share holder CIMB sure tapao all minority shareholder..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:14 AM)
aiya tipu one... DSR was introduce last year arpund september.. so many pl buy di without DSR... less than 1 year after DSR bank negara cannot tahan di increase OPR..

you know why with DSR, these smart flippers go take renovation loan, personal loans, and other lap sap, mark up lahh price cheat banks, finance legal fees and etc so effect like no DSR, end up worse coz personals loans & constructions loans are higher in interest.. but bank side laugh till cannot see teeth.. i did so many of this...
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People cheat bank u also tulan, relax la. Anyway, rate increase liao, as you wish. 😲 i bet it wrongly. But ho, malaysia offer higher rate compare to many countries. Hot money coming again. Another round of boom. Today buy share. Tomorrow buy property. Huat ah! Opps....you can afford or not?
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Buyers are more worried about 6% GST next year.  Most will still go ahead to book a house now, despite the rise in interest rate.
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of course we can see that.. that is 6% coming, Government is BSing that it will benefit public, like some jokers in RWI, aduii champion GST is good... that 6% come in, every corner of expenses also naik.. couple with OPR, BLR, rentals confirmed kena hit .. rental hit, shop increase price... and transfer burden to public...

super inflation coming... btw i remember you mention to check after Q2 or 3, how is/will the market goes? poised to increased sumore kah? 2015 interesting oh.. developers have to built and sell.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:20 AM)
adui normal rates i have now... after second OPR increase in September and after GST, i confirm bankruptcy increase 200%..

btw, you know as bankers, RHB, CIMB,MBSB, and OSK mergin.. meaning CIMG sapuing all of them... CIMB (NPL loan the most), MBSB (kwsp simply give loans before DSR), RHB memang going to die soon, see bank also cannot tahan di..

tell me is merging a good ting or what? i can only see share holder diluting their shares when merged... shareholder voice will smaller coz shares smaller.. sooner later majoprity share holder CIMB sure tapao all minority shareholder..
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People cheat bank u also tulan, relax la. Anyway, rate increase liao, as you wish. 😲 i bet it wrongly. But ho, malaysia offer higher rate compare to many countries. Hot money coming again. Another round of boom. Today buy share. Tomorrow buy property. Huat ah! Opps....you can afford or not?
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brother you already know, at the end the housing products are meant for locals, foreigners money i.e hot money were just fast investment, better harp on local demands rather than foreigners.. not only our country is the place for investment, we already badly hit sumore GST mari.. other countries still many choice... please BBB more.. now is the time buy before GST, sure HUAT....
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:24 AM)
of course we can see that.. that is 6% coming, Government is BSing that it will benefit public, like some jokers in RWI, aduii champion GST is good... that 6% come in, every corner of expenses also naik.. couple with OPR, BLR, rentals confirmed kena hit .. rental hit, shop increase price... and transfer burden to public...

super inflation coming... btw i remember you mention to check after Q2 or 3, how is/will the market goes? poised to increased sumore kah? 2015 interesting oh.. developers have to built and sell.. rclxms.gif
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You mean put 3 rotten apple together will make it good? Hmm....no comment now. But merger in biz is not as simple as what u said. Need to study their prospectus and valuation then only know the shareholder better off or worst off. Every move sure hav pro and con.
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ceh insurance companies also merged alot and been take over what, i lazy to list, why merge or take over.. oh ya insurance paid out a lot on claims like medical cards, general insurance (motor insurance), very high salary coz executive sapu insurance money and etc..

3 rotten apples... i can confirm if they wanted to take over easy, they sure can make it through if they want... question is after merger who is major shareholder, i say CIMB cum PM siblings lor.. blind also can see... and the effect having lesser banks... with BR on 2015 depending on banks performance, lesser banks lesser competition, thus no more good offers..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:27 AM)
brother you already know, at the end the housing products are meant for locals, foreigners money i.e hot money were just fast investment, better harp on local demands rather than foreigners.. not only our country is the place for investment, we already badly hit sumore GST mari.. other countries still many choice... please BBB more.. now is the time buy before GST, sure HUAT....
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Hey...u need to know the spil over effect la. Of course i don expect ang moh buy dsl at area 30km from kl.
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Why u are so concern about these inflation.... relax la... if you cannot tahan, many bn supporter also cannot tahan one...why worry? 😄
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ceh insurance companies also merged alot and been take over what, i lazy to list, why merge or take over.. oh ya insurance paid out a lot on claims like medical cards, general insurance (motor insurance), very high salary coz executive sapu insurance money and etc..

3 rotten apples... i can confirm if they wanted to take over easy, they sure can make it through if they want... question is after merger who is major shareholder, i say CIMB cum PM siblings lor.. blind also can see... and the effect having lesser banks... with BR on 2015 depending on banks performance, lesser banks lesser competition, thus no more good offers..
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Ah jib brother no more ceo wo...he goes to khazana liao.
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Ah jib brother no more ceo wo...he goes to khazana liao.
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khazanah? i read papers first.. confirm
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:24 AM)
of course we can see that.. that is 6% coming, Government is BSing that it will benefit public, like some jokers in RWI, aduii champion GST is good... that 6% come in, every corner of expenses also naik.. couple with OPR, BLR, rentals confirmed kena hit .. rental hit, shop increase price... and transfer burden to public...

super inflation coming... btw i remember you mention to check after Q2 or 3, how is/will the market goes? poised to increased sumore kah? 2015 interesting oh.. developers have to built and sell.. rclxms.gif
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Thanks for your reminder. I was too busy to post here frequently in recent months. I just know that property prices mostly did not crash and landed property prices are still increasing at JB. I'm not from KL so I need your verification for KL.

From Q3 2014 to Q1 2015 people will still largely go ahead to book new properties, and developers, particularly for landed properties, will slap a premium on the price, because they themselves will face large inflationary pressure later.

I expect the transaction volume to cool off significantly from Q2 2015 and the effect may last for about a year before buyers get used to the prices/quality. Both JB and KL are now having luxury condominium (>$1 mil) bubble. KL is apparent now while JB will be apparent in 2016. In another word, 2H 2015 onward market is likely to be quite weak in areas far from MRT/ LRT/ business centers. Prices there may correct by 10-20% back to 2013 level.
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Buyers are more worried about 6% GST next year.  Most will still go ahead to book a house now, despite the rise in interest rate.
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That's not true. Due to GST next year, buyer will be more prudent in spending and will not buy house anymore.
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That's not true. Due to GST next year, buyer will be more prudent in spending and will not buy house anymore.
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today will be a busy day for ALL BANKERS... I am sure many FLIPPERS/FLIPPERS BANKERS themselves talking about BLR and flippers asking how much BLR increase???

answer is: not yet know, wait meeting first... hehehhe

no ppl buy means time for flippers to prove that they have holding powers lor... some already pass 7 months.. holding till next year before 2016, good news no need to pay RPGT but bad news many loans to be serviced and still not confirm can sell cost ur units already 2 years old di...

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Thanks for your reminder.  I was too busy to post here frequently in recent months.  I just know that property prices mostly did not crash and landed property prices are still increasing at JB.  I'm not from KL so I need your verification for KL.

From Q3 2014 to Q1 2015 people will still largely go ahead to book new properties, and developers, particularly for landed properties, will slap a premium on the price, because they themselves will face large inflationary pressure later.

I expect the transaction volume to cool off significantly from Q2 2015 and the effect may last for about a year before buyers get used to the prices/quality.  Both JB and KL are now having luxury condominium (>$1 mil) bubble.  KL is apparent now while JB will be apparent in 2016.  In another word, 2H 2015 onward market is likely to be quite weak in areas far from MRT/ LRT/ business centers.  Prices there may correct by 10-20% back to 2013 level.
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JB happening larrr... i got friend want to let go service apartment in JB sp setia projects .. finish before 2016...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:39 AM)
btw CEO is not the same as shareholder right? CEO someone runs the company, shareholders are the taukeh behind... because it is public listed companies, you cannot become CEO & shareholder at the same time, public monies is involved, safeguard is separate both positions..

khazanah? i read papers first.. confirm
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Almost all ceo in malaysia listed companies are also the company shareholder. Ok one. No worry. Khazana one you dont know? Biz headline in last week wo.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:53 AM)
today will be a busy day for ALL BANKERS... I am sure many FLIPPERS/FLIPPERS BANKERS themselves talking about BLR and flippers asking how much BLR increase???

answer is: not yet know, wait meeting first... hehehhe

no ppl buy means time for flippers to prove that they have holding powers lor... some already pass 7 months.. holding till next year before 2016, good news no need to pay RPGT but bad news many loans to be serviced and still not confirm can sell cost ur units already 2 years old di...
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If the price reduced by 15% I bet it can easily sell??let's see what ur predict is right anot.
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Almost all ceo in malaysia listed companies are also the company shareholder. Ok one. No worry. Khazana one you dont know? Biz headline in last week wo.
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Mb not major shareholder lahh..ceo important lehh.. they invest you money.. they rugi.. means shareholder jialat.. public money jialat
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People cheat bank u also tulan, relax la. Anyway, rate increase liao, as you wish. 😲 i bet it wrongly. But ho, malaysia offer higher rate compare to many countries. Hot money coming again. Another round of boom. Today buy share. Tomorrow buy property. Huat ah! Opps....you can afford or not?
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Hot money coming in?

You always bet wrongly one leah. tongue.gif
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Now home purchaser waiting for bank to revise the new discount, OPR up 0.25, discount may be up 0.2, end up actual up is 0.05. Heard a lot of investor will start requesting bank for revise their loan rate and also looking for refinance to get better rate. So, end up I would see not much effect to property.

I may be wrong, but seeing bank gave -2, -2.2, -2.45... So, it seems like also keep increase to counter back the OPR raise LOL..
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Now home purchaser waiting for bank to revise the new discount, OPR up 0.25, discount may be up 0.2, end up actual up is 0.05. Heard a lot of investor will start requesting bank for revise their loan rate and also looking for refinance to get better rate. So, end up I would see not much effect to property.

I may be wrong, but seeing bank gave -2, -2.2, -2.45... So, it seems like also keep increase to counter back the OPR raise LOL..
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But jialat lio for those already signed agreement. cannot revised. cry.gif
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Now home purchaser waiting for bank to revise the new discount, OPR up 0.25, discount may be up 0.2, end up actual up is 0.05. Heard a lot of investor will start requesting bank for revise their loan rate and also looking for refinance to get better rate. So, end up I would see not much effect to property.

I may be wrong, but seeing bank gave -2, -2.2, -2.45... So, it seems like also keep increase to counter back the OPR raise LOL..
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Really want to revise meh? Few pages back, some people said 0.25% not much. Revise for what? rclxub.gif







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Hot money coming in?

You always bet wrongly one leah. tongue.gif
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Index up already!!!! Hot money confirm come liao. Quickly buy. MBSB hot cake now.
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Really want to revise meh? Few pages back, some people said 0.25% not much. Revise for what?  rclxub.gif
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Index up already!!!! Hot money confirm come liao. Quickly buy. MBSB hot cake now.
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Really want to revise meh? Few pages back, some people said 0.25% not much. Revise for what?  rclxub.gif
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The purpose of the hike is actually for forumers a topic to talk kok here. Otherwise life so boring after the entertaining tread been moved to kopitiam
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Oh. You bet it wrong ma.

so out of tulan. Said we talk kok lo.

Why u alwayd wrong one? tongue.gif
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Kiasu mah. Got bank give mah take lor. LOL  tongue.gif
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Confirm or not.. ppl say 0.25 increase sap sap sui saja.. masuk keluat starbucks sudah rm20 more.. some say midnight snacks oso more than that..

my maybanj officer say.. 6.85 very likely.. 0.25% is interest rates between bank borrowing.. they will transfer the burden to consumer.. abo bank swallow blindly mehh... you guys still give NPL loans and dafault to cimb.. haizzz
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Confirm or not.. ppl say 0.25 increase sap sap sui saja.. masuk keluat starbucks sudah rm20 more.. some say midnight snacks oso more than that..

my maybanj officer say.. 6.85 very likely.. 0.25% is interest rates between bank borrowing.. they will transfer the burden to consumer.. abo bank swallow blindly mehh... you guys still give NPL loans and dafault to cimb.. haizzz
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Bro bear, do u invest in stock market??? Bank counters giving candies. Can grab the fund for opr increment ma. If u r gd, the next 5 yrs no prob la. Just a few clicks away. tongue.gif
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dunno the economy rice boss got a lot of loans or not ... later he increase price then it is not rm20 every month oledi ... sad.gif
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dunno the economy rice boss got a lot of loans or not ... later he increase price then it is not rm20 every month oledi ... sad.gif
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Since last yr announcement of gst, I oledi saw many econ rice seller increased liao. So they r safe liao I assumed. rclxms.gif
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Since last yr announcement of gst, I oledi saw many econ rice seller increased liao. So they r safe liao I assumed.  rclxms.gif
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Thanks for your reminder.  I was too busy to post here frequently in recent months.  I just know that property prices mostly did not crash and landed property prices are still increasing at JB.  I'm not from KL so I need your verification for KL.

From Q3 2014 to Q1 2015 people will still largely go ahead to book new properties, and developers, particularly for landed properties, will slap a premium on the price, because they themselves will face large inflationary pressure later.

I expect the transaction volume to cool off significantly from Q2 2015 and the effect may last for about a year before buyers get used to the prices/quality.  Both JB and KL are now having luxury condominium (>$1 mil) bubble.  KL is apparent now while JB will be apparent in 2016.  In another word, 2H 2015 onward market is likely to be quite weak in areas far from MRT/ LRT/ business centers.  Prices there may correct by 10-20% back to 2013 level.
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hardly to say... because in coming years there are large population born in year dragon n going to turn 30 in 2018. many will settle down for a house in 2017/2018. i think many call prop guru also base on this statistic... that is y they dare to say boom boOm... n years 2015/1016 will be up or at least stagnant, dun expect will down.

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hardly to say... because in coming years there are large population born in year dragon n going to turn 30 in 2018. many will settle down for a house in 2017/2018. i think many call prop guru also base on this statistic... that is y they dare to say boom boOm...
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crazy la u. Dragon people very huat one. 26 already bought house. Some bought multiple. Maybe only you turn 30 buy house. Kekekeke laugh.gif
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crazy la u. Dragon people very huat one. 26 already bought house. Some bought multiple. Maybe only you turn 30 buy house. Kekekeke  laugh.gif
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JB happening larrr... i got friend want to let go service apartment in JB sp setia projects .. finish before 2016...
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Depends on his asking price. Right now too many condos launches and the market cannot digest.
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QUOTE(JustNobody @ Jul 11 2014, 08:52 AM)
Now home purchaser waiting for bank to revise the new discount, OPR up 0.25, discount may be up 0.2, end up actual up is 0.05. Heard a lot of investor will start requesting bank for revise their loan rate and also looking for refinance to get better rate. So, end up I would see not much effect to property.

I may be wrong, but seeing bank gave -2, -2.2, -2.45... So, it seems like also keep increase to counter back the OPR raise LOL..
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You see BLR -2%, -2.4%, is because of excess liquidity in the financial market, due to QE, and loosely monetory policy generally.
With Fed tapering and end of loosely monetory policy, the negative figure won't go deeper, but normalise to norm, instead go to -3%.

Another reason it becomes -2%, -2.4%, simply because BLR has basically stop working as its function as benchmark for bank borrowing cost.
Borrowing cost of bank is basically based on 3 months Klibor, that's why a new framework of loan rate is proposed by BNM, and many banks start with home loan based on Klibor rate.

When OPR revised upwards, so does the klibor generally.

So with the revised OPR upwards, there will be increased in borrowing cost generally.
BNM is aiming to reduce the pace of household debt rising, so it is not an interest for BNM to see banks keep on lending at cheap that's why we see OPR being raised.

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hardly to say... because in coming years there are large population born in year dragon n going to turn 30 in 2018. many will settle down for a house in 2017/2018. i think many call prop guru also base on this statistic... that is y they dare to say boom boOm... n years 2015/1016 will be up or at least stagnant, dun expect will down.
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Property up and down is largely due to economy situation,
If the economy is in recession, no matter how much the population born also no use, no money to buy during recession, property price cannot rise even you have 10 billion of population.
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Property up and down is largely due to economy situation,
If the economy is in recession, no matter how much the population born also no use, no money to buy during recession, property price cannot rise even you have 10 billion of population.
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that mean now our economy is goOd? wink.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 10:27 AM)
Confirm or not.. ppl say 0.25 increase sap sap sui saja.. masuk keluat starbucks sudah rm20 more.. some say midnight snacks oso more than that..

my maybanj officer say.. 6.85 very likely.. 0.25% is interest rates between bank borrowing.. they will transfer the burden to consumer.. abo bank swallow blindly mehh... you guys still give NPL loans and dafault to cimb.. haizzz
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An additional of RM20 is only for those group of borrowers <250k(in the table below).

For those who borrowed more will have to pay a lot more than RM20... sweat.gif sweat.gif

http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...-little-impact/
(His calculation is assumed the BLR is increased by +0.25%).
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GDP growth 6%, export registered double figure increase, property price rising at fast pace, how the economy is not good?
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the interest raise mean more ppl will rent then buy...
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the interest raise mean more ppl will rent then buy...
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the interest raise mean more ppl will rent then buy...
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aiyo... then need to hold long long with depressing rental yileds.. Semenyih area rental boleh jalan ke?
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or more people will stay in their parent's house than buy?  hmm.gif
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aiyo... then need to hold long long with depressing rental yileds.. Semenyih area rental boleh jalan ke?
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in order to cover the loan ...ppl normally need at least 5 yrs times la. dun expect buy and ppl will pay u to cover monthly loan 100%.. except u DP 30% or more lo.

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in order to cover the loan ...ppl normally need at least 5 yrs times la. dun expect buy and ppl will pay u to cover monthly loan 100%.. except u DP 30% or more lo.
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Change of tone already.. 5 yeats at least.. not upon vp flip..calculation was done 5 years scheme.. good luck..
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Just heard my wife said this month got salary adjustmet, luckily her company got come out a plan to ease their employee burden.
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Just heard my wife said this month got salary adjustmet, luckily her company got come out a plan to ease their employee burden.
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yup and as such lets continue BBB... September also increase one more cycle.. company going to increase again.. yup we all know.. then GST also company will increase.. yup.. and before GST company also pay bonus as well,, yup.. and it will apply to all workers, as results is BLR increase of 0.25 are being absorbed by company wholly and BBB is going lose again...

we all know the logic havent we..?
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adjust can be add or minus  brows.gif  ... ops sorry  icon_question.gif
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oh ya man.. to cut down.. suddenly company faces increased rentals.. having a lost there, they go on and increase employee salary to ease the employee burden.. then company mai double loss lor?

even then, say company did increase, company will increase their services , goods, and etc.. you wife might not affected in this company but when go out buy/use service kena slap with increased BLR effect lor..
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oh ya man.. to cut down.. suddenly company faces increased rentals.. having a lost there, they go on and increase employee salary to ease the employee burden.. then company mai double loss lor?

even then, say company did increase, company will increase their services , goods, and etc.. you wife might not affected in this company but when go out buy/use service kena slap with increased BLR effect lor..
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Just now I talk to Hong Leong banker. She straight talk to my face.

"Sorry, we won't give -2.65%. This is because Bank Negara want to control the debt already. Will increase more in September. So please take KLIBOR that only fluctuate 0.1% everytime."

Walauyeh...

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 01:59 PM)
oh ya man.. to cut down.. suddenly company faces increased rentals.. having a lost there, they go on and increase employee salary to ease the employee burden.. then company mai double loss lor?

even then, say company did increase, company will increase their services , goods, and etc.. you wife might not affected in this company but when go out buy/use service kena slap with increased BLR effect lor..
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simples.. the prop juz increase additional 3% on top of increase by developer/owner/agent.. Problem Solved. biggrin.gif

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Nope. coz im on fixed rate loan
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Can put some FD earn back when OPR increase.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 12:57 PM)
yup and as such lets continue BBB... September also increase one more cycle.. company going to increase again.. yup we all know.. then GST also company will increase.. yup.. and before GST company also pay bonus as well,, yup.. and it will apply to all workers, as results is BLR increase of 0.25 are being absorbed by company wholly and BBB is going lose again...

we all know the logic havent we..?
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Dono how much increase, if got 20% then the blr increase still can take it no issue, no panic to sell.
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Nope. coz im on fixed rate loan
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Can put some FD earn back when OPR increase.
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This ismore likely.. current higest fd rates is bank rakyat .. second affin.. 4.0 anf 3.6 respectively.. witj opr 2 folds increase 4.5 maybe .. better right..
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Dono how much increase, if got 20% then the blr increase still can take it no issue, no panic to sell.
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20% more like promotion rather than increase.. no worry ur sitiation is going to be less than 5% in malaysia..


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aiya tipu one... DSR was introduce last year arpund september.. so many pl buy di without DSR... less than 1 year after DSR bank negara cannot tahan di increase OPR..

you know why with DSR, these smart flippers go take renovation loan, personal loans, and other lap sap, mark up lahh price cheat banks, finance legal fees and etc so effect like no DSR, end up worse coz personals loans & constructions loans are higher in interest.. but bank side laugh till cannot see teeth.. i did so many of this...
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mind to elaborate more? why taking renovation loan/personal loan/final legal fees to mark up will offset the DSR effect?

You did it as a loan taker?

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Hi bro, how was the rate? when you sign it?

I remember mine was like 6%, 2 years ago from AIA.. but i didn't take

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But but but .....
In property section the guys are still on BBB mode for the whole year!
Some still goreng property price up up up !
Maybe it's true /k all salary 20k per month laugh.gif
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"“Our simulation study suggests that in the current base lending rate of 2.4 per cent, a RM3,000 per month instalment amount will be able to afford a property worth RM681,000. A 25bps rate hike will reduce the affordable property price by 2.92 per cent to RM662,000.”

0.25 looks very little but ... jangan main main oh

sos: http://www.theborneopost.com/2014/07/11/hi...-of-malaysians/
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jul 11 2014, 01:50 PM)
"“Our simulation study suggests that in the current base lending rate of 2.4 per cent, a RM3,000 per month instalment amount will be able to afford a property worth RM681,000. A 25bps rate hike will reduce the affordable property price by 2.92 per cent to RM662,000.”

0.25 looks very little but ... jangan main main oh

sos: http://www.theborneopost.com/2014/07/11/hi...-of-malaysians/
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Wah, the news talk about Malaysian unable to buy house.

Means before interest rate increase, loan 50% rejected.

Next month increase interest rate, loan 60% rejected?

So how to make property saleable again? Have to cut price liao lor. I just scared developer cut corner only. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 11 2014, 01:52 PM)
Wah, the news talk about Malaysian unable to buy house.

Means before interest rate increase, loan 50% rejected.

Next month increase interest rate, loan 60% rejected?

So how to make property saleable again? Have to cut price liao lor. I just scared developer cut corner only.  laugh.gif
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Like cars lor...Almera sell you cheap cheap 69k, left 1 airbag.

Your house cheap cheap, 1 door and 1 window only. tongue.gif
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Like cars lor...Almera sell you cheap cheap 69k, left 1 airbag.

Your house cheap cheap, 1 door and 1 window only. tongue.gif
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Some more developer also loan money to buy land. Interest rate up.
Developer si kiao kiao liao... die liao... i think the first to go is small developer. Bankrupt soon. Next is small time flipper kakaka... rclxms.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 11 2014, 01:52 PM)
Wah, the news talk about Malaysian unable to buy house.

Means before interest rate increase, loan 50% rejected.

Next month increase interest rate, loan 60% rejected?

So how to make property saleable again? Have to cut price liao lor. I just scared developer cut corner only.  laugh.gif
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cannot sell hold la. cannot hold why you buy??? shakehead.gif
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cannot sell hold la. cannot hold why you buy???  shakehead.gif
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I dunno lol... someone so scared dunno scared what...

anyway, does developer loan variable rate one or fixed rate?
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cannot sell hold la. cannot hold why you buy???  shakehead.gif
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but from past data, property prices in Malaysia no go down. only stagnant. i wonder will price correction really gonna happen. i don't think so. even tho house prices is increasing, the demand is still there. malaysians like to live in luxury. biar papa asal bergaya mentality. pay rental 2k-3k per month is no issue to them. even students oso nowadays damn rich renting studio and condo units.

but if you go to auction nowadays, you can see there's start to have high end properties under auction, which is quite rare in past years. condos, soho, studio, etc. from my view there are already investor getting hurt with current situation. but the demand to own these units is still high. a lot of people enter the bid for these units.

this is for kl area. not sure with other region.
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Hi bro, how was the rate? when you sign it?

I remember mine was like 6%, 2 years ago from AIA.. but i didn't take
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mine was locked in at 4.85%.
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mine was locked in at 4.85%.
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I wonder when the bank say LOCK % how true is it. up to what extent when the interest rates goes up is it true. No trolling, a curious question. Because due to news back in the days when economy crash, banks raise interest skyhigh overnight. Causing those who owe only 2 years of monthly installment a foreclosure due to lost of income(s) during the downturn. Was last time (abt 97-98ish) interest rates NOT LOCKED?
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I have called bank about my mortgage loan and ask about how this affects it. Only answer was 'not confirm yet, but will be communicated via mail, site etc. when they have a firm answer/decision'. I better see them face to face and ask directly once any more news of this. I guess Monday only will know. I also agreed september/october interest will be adjusted again. More likely mid-oct.
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When you sign it ?
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Dono how much increase, if got 20% then the blr increase still can take it no issue, no panic to sell.
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so, how many rich ppl out there? according to PEMANDU & EPF data as of March 2014 and the source below with charts:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...tential-intere/

Amid the rising inflation and a potential interest-rate hike, the low-and-middle-income earners are easily seen as the most vulnerable.

“The low and middle income earners will likely feel the impact the most, especially if everything happens at almost the same time – the electricity hike, fuel hike, higher prices of natural gas and so forth,” says Malaysian Rating Corp Bhd (MARC) chief economist Nor Zahidi Alias.

“However, while low-income earners will be somewhat compensated by government measures such as BR1M and the absence of income tax, the middle income group will be affected more on a relative basis as the latter does not receive as much compensation as the low-income group, and they are subjected to income taxes,” Zahidi explains.

The middle-income group, defined as those earning between RM3,000 and RM7,000, accounts for about 40% of total households in Malaysia based on 2012 statistics. It is noted that middle-income households tend to have more housing loans than low-income households, which are made up of another 40% of the country’s population.

see told you di earning more than 10k many? many cash buyers? many cash rich those more than 7k only less than 7% only..

and yes middle income with the most housing loans, i,e put all into housing loans... flippers manyak sini... sumore talk no all investors are cash rich and holding power strong see the comments:

As such household is that of sales executive Agus Mahmud, 42.

The father of three, who is the sole breadwinner in the family, currently has two housing loans for two separate properties in the Klang Valley on top of some credit card debts.


lets see a low end Hl financer:

Audit executive Diana Lee, 34, shares the same sentiment. She says: “I increasingly find that I do not have much of my income left after settling my monthly obligations and regular expenses.”

“So, interest rates hike is definitely not good news to me,” adds Lee.

Lee, who is still single, recently bought a house under mortgage.

“If interest rates go up, my family’s budget will definitely be affected, as our monthly obligations will increase,” Agus tells StarBizWeek.

“We’ve already been very cautious with our spending these days as the prices of most things have gone up. If the interest rates were to increase, we would likely have to cut down our expenses further,” he adds.

yup another increase would be definitely good:

ut if another hike takes place, pushing the OPR up by 50 bp (from the current level), then the impact on consumers will likely be more pronounced and this may lead to further moderation in private consumption growth,” Zahidi argues.

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I have called bank about my mortgage loan and ask about how this affects it. Only answer was 'not confirm yet, but will be communicated via mail, site etc. when they have a firm answer/decision'. I better see them face to face and ask directly once any more news of this. I guess Monday only will know. I also agreed september/october interest will be adjusted again. More likely mid-oct.
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hopefully , one shot 0.5 basic points, it is time for showing holding powers are worth..bring it on flex.gif
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jul 11 2014, 02:50 PM)
"“Our simulation study suggests that in the current base lending rate of 2.4 per cent, a RM3,000 per month instalment amount will be able to afford a property worth RM681,000. A 25bps rate hike will reduce the affordable property price by 2.92 per cent to RM662,000.”

0.25 looks very little but ... jangan main main oh

sos: http://www.theborneopost.com/2014/07/11/hi...-of-malaysians/
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If a 25bps rate hike can reduce the affordable property price by 2.92% per cent to RM662k from RM681k.
Then another 25bps rate hike will reduce the affordable property price by another 2.92% to RM643k??


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QUOTE(sampool @ Jul 11 2014, 10:48 AM)
hardly to say... because in coming years there are large population born in year dragon n going to turn 30 in 2018. many will settle down for a house in 2017/2018. i think many call prop guru also base on this statistic... that is y they dare to say boom boOm... n years 2015/1016 will be up or at least stagnant, dun expect will down.
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If Dragon year people so lucky according to chinese beliefs, surely they will buy cheap. it means property prices will crash.
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Malaysia economy 10 years one crash.. last was 2008, next one will be hitting very soon
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Sometime crisis not just malaysia only. If others country start crisis a lot country affect too.

QUOTE(InF.anime @ Jul 11 2014, 03:18 PM)
Malaysia economy 10 years one crash.. last was 2008, next one will be hitting very soon
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Malaysia economy 10 years one crash.. last was 2008, next one will be hitting very soon
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yahor... 1997--> 2007 --> 2017....

But this time crash will be very very bad... last time property price still low...

now a lot of people got high household debt...

a lot will jump man.... cry.gif
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Plan to see the banker next week about my housing loan. Want to find out how I can pay off faster with the interest rate hike.
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Rate hike will continue as USA economy improves and they hike their interest to contain their inflation..

But in Msia, economy is not improving but inflation is up, hiking rate then will further worsen the economy...

Msia will have no choice but to continue to hike rate, else ringgit will be toilet paper... rclxms.gif

Bad time coming... whistling.gif
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Rate hike will continue as USA economy improves and they hike their interest to contain their inflation..

But in Msia, economy is not improving but inflation is up, hiking rate then will further worsen the economy...

Msia will have no choice but to continue to hike rate, else ringgit will be toilet paper...  rclxms.gif

Bad time coming...  whistling.gif
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no many ppl got rich fama la.  brows.gif
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U buy house need fama help meh?
if you mean in hot area , i got no comment la , but outside than hot area which look not very promising development ... u still need fama take care for you ?


Nowadays i see people want to climb up , many excuse
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 11 2014, 01:06 PM)
Just now I talk to Hong Leong banker. She straight talk to my face.

"Sorry, we won't give -2.65%. This is because Bank Negara want to control the debt already. Will increase more in September. So please take KLIBOR that only fluctuate 0.1% everytime."

Walauyeh...
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U buy house need fama help meh?
if you mean in hot area ,  i got no comment la ,  but outside than hot area which look not very promising development ...  u still need fama take care for you ? 
Nowadays i see people want to  climb up  , many excuse
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it done and final.. majority malaysian are middle class and below... that comprises according to PEMANDU AND EPF 2014 that less tha 7% are high income earners and these are all oil and gas people.. rich class are not more than 10%..

check the comments of middle income class or upper middle income class
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I have  suggest to take KLIBOR loan in my previous post.
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KLIBOR cannot accommodate everyone , otherwise Bank negara increase in will be futile and useless..
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You taken any housing loan before ? Don't everything talk using the paper news
You said u very close to banker , u sure your statement is true ? Don't anyhow comment , later I shoot u bro~~

People who bought property last time , their mentality never change. They will sacrifice their everything for property depending their way.

If everyone so scare about the total 1% incoming interest , GST 6% to buy property next year is sap sap water. I confirm this statement
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some are fake "customers" they just want to make quick money by intimidating the real buyers. smile.gif
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That guy is talking about lifestyle with renting world. Not mean buying property , u got read or not ?

Rent property / buy property is different case scenario , bro
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 05:15 PM)
it done and final.. majority malaysian are middle class and below... that comprises according to PEMANDU AND EPF 2014 that less tha 7% are high income earners and these are all oil and gas people.. rich class are not more than 10%..

check the comments of middle income class or upper middle income class
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Peen the statement from pemandu and epf 2014 is true. Those people bought high luxury property without count their own financial , result will be very bad for them

But these buyer with own limitation , why worried ? I sense nothing since Malaysian get used to fooled by government until today . Learn to survive is the best , complain is confirm sure have ... Getting more discount from banker is true , don't say buyer Kiasukiasi , will you choose the best rate for yourself ? Ask yourself ! If you're not , then you never interested to go pasar malam before.


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You taken any housing loan before ? Don't everything talk using the paper news
You said u very close to banker , u sure your statement is true ? Don't anyhow comment , later I shoot u bro~~

People who bought property last time , their mentality never change. They will sacrifice their everything for property depending their way.

If everyone so scare about the total 1% incoming interest , GST 6% to buy property next year is sap sap water. I confirm this statement
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haizz.. looks like the 29 year old boy is on fire already and has witness so big the issue that only he can see and none other sees and feel, even bank negara also also miss the point he saw.. how nice..

you are welcomed to point out if the calculations are flawed if higher i know you will keep quiet one

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Peen the statement from pemandu and epf 2014 is true.  Those people bought high luxury property without count their own financial , result will be very bad for them

But these buyer with own limitation , why worried ? I sense nothing since Malaysian get used to fooled by government until today . Learn to survive is the best , complain is confirm sure have ... Getting more discount from banker is true , don't say buyer Kiasukiasi , will you choose the best rate for yourself ? Ask yourself ! If you're not , then you never interested to go pasar malam before.
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last time tone and talking is not like this one... many investors are cash rich, strong holding powers for few generations, too much money dunno how to spend... too much time also dunno how to spend.. remember?
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Simple chart here.

http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...-little-impact/
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haizz.. looks like the 29 year old boy is on fire already and has witness so big the issue that only he can see and none other sees and feel, even bank negara also also miss the point he saw.. how nice..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 05:43 PM)
last time tone and talking is not like this one... many investors are cash rich, strong holding powers for few generations, too much money dunno how to spend... too much time also dunno how to spend.. remember?
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This young guy so strong??

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Maybank announced increase BLR 6.6% to 6.85% effective today.
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Maybank announced increase BLR 6.6% to 6.85% effective today.
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yup tiger if you are reading, you are god damm wrong ystd it is 6.85% try harder next time..

please provide links as well, for the benefit of all

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 05:41 PM)
haizz.. looks like the 29 year old boy is on fire already and has witness so big the issue that only he can see and none other sees and feel, even bank negara also also miss the point he saw.. how nice..

you are welcomed to point out if the calculations are flawed if higher i know you will keep quiet one
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I am referring to the KLIBOR loan only , about the news hiking property interest . I know because I reading start from page 1.
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yup, you miss d points:

Wong felt that speculators would be hit the most.

“If they are unable to service the loan, they will be forced to sell. But it will not be as easy as before due to the real property gains tax,” he said.
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yup, you miss d points:

Wong felt that speculators would be hit the most.

“If they are unable to service the loan, they will be forced to sell. But it will not be as easy as before due to the real property gains tax,” he said.
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House hold income more than 10k consists of top 7%

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pretty sure its different story in kv
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QUOTE(Mathew86 @ Jul 11 2014, 05:50 PM)
I am referring to the KLIBOR loan only , about the news hiking property interest . I know because I reading start from page 1.
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reading silently but no support at all... last time in bubble talk so gungho shoot me upside down like no body business... comment a bit whether correct or not maa
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 05:54 PM)
reading silently but no support at all... last time in bubble talk so gungho shoot me upside down like no body business... comment a bit whether correct or not maa
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QUOTE(memekfalui @ Jul 8 2014, 08:26 AM)
But but but .....
In property section the guys are still on BBB mode for the whole year!
Some still goreng property price up up up !
Maybe it's true /k all salary 20k per month laugh.gif
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Maybank announced increase BLR 6.6% to 6.85% effective today.
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http://www.therakyatpost.com/business/2014...g-blr-fd-rates/

“Maybank’s deposit rates will be revised upwards by up to 15 basis points, while its base lending rate (BLR) will also be increased by 25 basis points from 6.6% per annum to 6.85%.

“The base financing rate (BFR) of Maybank Islamic Bhd will similarly be revised upwards by 25 basis points to 6.85%.



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you got fighter jet ma, why no fight back?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 11 2014, 03:27 PM)
yahor... 1997--> 2007 --> 2017....

But this time crash will be very very bad... last time property price still low...

now a lot of people got high household debt...

a lot will jump man....  cry.gif
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WHy worry.. .I see every Tom d*** and Harry also jump and buy property ma.. sure make money wor they say....

You didnt know there is confirm 100% win de investment in this world meh... that's buying property lor...


Anyway... cash will be king very soon.. wait for it
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Two problems from linked articles:
1) Writer (real estate agency! lol ) ‘assume’ loan margin for both scenarios. In reality, the debt hike from year 2010-2012 loans which is calculated based on ‘gross salary’ and ‘creative’ loans.
2) ‘Assuming’ luxury properties were bought by cash buyer or minimum loan margin buyer.

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I am interested to see bear bear can get a property anot withing half year time frame ya..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 05:49 PM)
yup tiger if you are reading, you are god damm wrong ystd it is 6.85% try harder next time..

please provide links as well, for the benefit of all
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Ok. You're right. I am wrong. But u never go to kopitiam update me leh....

hmm.gif interest rate hike already...my next brokering commission coming in I sekaligus dump into the bank n can tahan 0.5 basis point for more than 30 years....still no effect leh except wasted my effort to close one of my deal....
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 11 2014, 07:51 PM)
Ok. You're right. I am wrong. But u never go to kopitiam update me leh....

hmm.gif interest rate hike already...my next brokering commission coming in I sekaligus dump into the bank n can tahan 0.5 basis point for more than 30 years....still no effect leh except wasted my effort to close one of my deal....
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Oh you are property agent. So how is the subsale market nowaday? Is it as bad as what BBW kor kor told us?
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Oh you are property agent. So how is the subsale market nowaday? Is it as bad as what BBW kor kor told us?
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Nope...I am not in property...I in chartering, selling n trading in marine line.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 11 2014, 01:52 PM)
Wah, the news talk about Malaysian unable to buy house.

Means before interest rate increase, loan 50% rejected.

Next month increase interest rate, loan 60% rejected?

So how to make property saleable again? Have to cut price liao lor. I just scared developer cut corner only.  laugh.gif
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What is use of properties price drop if cannot get loan? Can see can smell but cannot touch...tongue.gif
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Nope...I am not in property...I in chartering, selling n trading in marine line.
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Ooo... I guess your line is not linked to economy since marine is good no matter up or down.
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What is use of properties price drop if cannot get loan? Can see can smell but cannot touch...tongue.gif
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Ooo... I guess your line is not linked to economy since marine is good no matter up or down.
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Ok. You're right. I am wrong. But u never go to kopitiam update me leh....

hmm.gif interest rate hike already...my next brokering commission coming in I sekaligus dump into the bank n can tahan 0.5 basis point for more than 30 years....still no effect leh except wasted my effort to close one of my deal....
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ok lor.. dun so serious lar... JK only maa.. remember and bare in mind not everybody/investors are like you.. more often than not.. everyone thinks colorful but not everyone get colorful,

just like b4 world cup starts, you qualify, and all dreams are going to come true till you taste the defeat... it is irregardless whether you had advanced like this parking whole commission into loans, how many time can this stretch, look at brazil, they made it to semi finals (survive even after 2 cycles of increase and GST increase) and yet you lose without dignity by 7-1, hmm just some thoughtful Friday ahead..

on whether property market is bad, come yourself and see the occupancy rates and book few agents to see the units.. and the price, try also show some interest and see how they react..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 09:16 PM)
ok lor.. dun so serious lar... JK only maa.. remember and bare in mind not everybody/investors are like you.. more often than not.. everyone thinks colorful but not everyone get colorful,

just like b4 world cup starts, you qualify, and all dreams are going to come true till you taste the defeat... it is irregardless whether you had advanced like this parking whole commission into loans, how many time can this stretch, look at brazil, they made it to semi finals (survive even after 2 cycles of increase and GST increase) and yet you lose without dignity by 7-1, hmm just some thoughtful Friday ahead..

on whether property market is bad, come yourself and see the occupancy rates and book few agents to see the units.. and the price, try also show some interest and see how they react..
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0.25 hike gonna cost a lot for long term loan tenure

try settle the loan earlier lor ,what to do

put more $$ to loan account rather than put in FD
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 11 2014, 07:51 PM)
Ok. You're right. I am wrong. But u never go to kopitiam update me leh....

hmm.gif interest rate hike already...my next brokering commission coming in I sekaligus dump into the bank n can tahan 0.5 basis point for more than 30 years....still no effect leh except wasted my effort to close one of my deal....
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Brokerage commission ? U R a stock broker or real estate broker or ?

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Dont worry too much...just let us know if property price has dropped or not...
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bro existing housing loans confirmed to pay extra loans, For instance, a homeowner servicing a loan with RM300,000 outstanding and a remaining term of 20 years would be asked for an additional RM500 per year or RM42 per month in loan repayments.

source:

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/268415

guys out there please update for the increased loan repayments ya.. for August and September 2nd increase..

and more clearer view on how new BLR frame works:

http://www.imoney.my/articles/opr-hike-by-...l-it-affect-you



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bro existing housing loans confirmed to pay extra loans, For instance, a homeowner servicing a loan with RM300,000 outstanding and a remaining term of 20 years would be asked for an additional RM500 per year or RM42 per month in loan repayments.

source:

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/268415

guys out there please update for the increased loan repayments ya.. for August and September 2nd increase..
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500 per year....we go out karaoke less for one night can easily cover few years lor...

and many bros here if one day hisap one packet rokok less also can cover 0.25 basis point.
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500 per year....we go out karaoke less for one night can easily cover few years lor...

and many bros here if one day hisap one packet rokok less also can cover 0.25 basis point.
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yup, provided is 300k, try multiplying to more times.

Q: is, will owners swallow the said extra monies? bear in mind there is another series of increase on September also same 25 basic points..

will owners increase rentals? will mamak stalls increase the price of foods or just swallow? and GST effect after this?

if everyone owners increases rentals respectively only to cover the loss (which i doubt coz , opportunity comes dont want to profit), how about tenants? or businessman renting? when everyone increase you know the effect lor..

say A= is paying housing loans extra for RM84 monthly (600k loan)
A also renting a shop to do business extra RM84 (increased by owners as owners shops cost RM 600K)
A buy supplies from sundry shops extras
and the list continues on..

so overall effect? and imigine the second wave, then GST 6%.. got feeling after all are added in one shot?
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 11 2014, 09:55 PM)
500 per year....we go out karaoke less for one night can easily cover few years lor...

and many bros here if one day hisap one packet rokok less also can cover 0.25 basis point.
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bro 500 can go 6-7 times karaoke la
we all sharing the total bill wan ma tongue.gif
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even state Government see the impossibility

http://m.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/a...buyers-says-dap

In a parliamentary reply to Lim on the issue, the Finance Ministry revealed that a total 50,224 loan applications worth a total RM10.3 billion were approved to buyers of affordable housing costing below RM400,000 for the first four months of this year.

However, a total 34,662 applicants for loans amounting to RM7.3 billion were rejected within the same period.

Last year, a total 170,886 loan applications for houses below RM400,000 amounting to RM34.5 billion were approved while 120,291 applications amounting to RM24.8 billion were rejected.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 10:02 PM)
yup, provided is 300k, try multiplying to more times.

Q: is, will owners swallow the said extra monies? bear in mind there is another series of increase on September also same 25 basic points..

will owners increase rentals? will mamak stalls increase the price of foods or just swallow? and GST effect after this?

if everyone owners increases rentals respectively only to cover the loss (which i doubt coz , opportunity comes dont want to profit), how about tenants? or businessman renting? when everyone increase you know the effect lor..

say A= is paying housing loans extra for RM84 monthly (600k loan)
A also renting a shop to do business extra RM84 (increased by owners as owners shops cost RM 600K)
A buy supplies from sundry shops extras
and the list continues on..

so overall effect? and imigine the second wave, then GST 6%.. got feeling after all are added in one shot?
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That is called inflation lor...

when all this inflation comes....your people (not rich) ll get squeeze hard n even properties price drop also dont have the money to buy...so, it is still in equilibrium state
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bro 500 can go 6-7 times karaoke la
we all sharing the total bill wan ma  tongue.gif
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red box, green box times square ask increased rentals oh.... how leh? buffer karaeok increase bit lor per head RM5-10, 5 fellas RM25 to RM 50..

that is just one of it, try eateries too..
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bro 500 can go 6-7 times karaoke la
we all sharing the total bill wan ma  tongue.gif
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We go karaok..500 may be can't even cover the gro cost alone...tongue.gif

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That is called inflation lor...

when all this inflation comes....your people (not rich) ll get squeeze hard n even properties price drop also dont have the money to buy...so, it is still in equilibrium state
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yup, if got people rent your shops/house then you just top up or ask for increase, but if no one rent shop or house... then swallow increased interest?

we know Malaysian business sense is got chance increase surely amplify the increase.. lets monitor how many owners are prepare to swallow increase?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 11 2014, 04:27 PM)
yahor... 1997--> 2007 --> 2017....

But this time crash will be very very bad... last time property price still low...

now a lot of people got high household debt...

a lot will jump man....  cry.gif
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Alamak. Like that die lo. Still have units not yet reach 5 years by 2017.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 11:02 PM)
yup, provided is 300k, try multiplying to more times.

Q: is, will owners swallow the said extra monies? bear in mind there is another series of increase on September also same 25 basic points..

will owners increase rentals? will mamak stalls increase the price of foods or just swallow? and GST effect after this?

if everyone owners increases rentals respectively only to cover the loss (which i doubt coz , opportunity comes dont want to profit), how about tenants? or businessman renting? when everyone increase you know the effect lor..

say A= is paying housing loans extra for RM84 monthly (600k loan)
A also renting a shop to do business extra RM84 (increased by owners as owners shops cost RM 600K)
A buy supplies from sundry shops extras
and the list continues on..

so overall effect? and imigine the second wave, then GST 6%.. got feeling after all are added in one shot?
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 11 2014, 11:06 PM)
That is called inflation lor...

when all this inflation comes....your people (not rich) ll get squeeze hard n even properties price drop also dont have the money to buy...so, it is still in equilibrium state
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Like that die lo.

offer 10% lower no one will buy
offer another 10% lower still no one will buy
so need to offer 50% less baru ada orang buying.

Banyak rugi oh. cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 10:08 PM)
red box, green box times square ask increased rentals oh.... how leh? buffer karaeok increase bit lor per head RM5-10, 5 fellas RM25 to RM 50..

that is just one of it, try eateries too..
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BBW taikor, if they increase price per head then we switch to "load speaker" lor, cheaper
consumer got right to choose. same goes to tenants .. if house owner increase rental then we can
go find other cheaper house to rent lo. i believe there are still many ppl maintain their rental rate wan ..
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yup, if got people rent your shops/house then you just top up or ask for increase, but if no one rent shop or house... then swallow increased interest?

we know Malaysian business sense is got chance increase surely amplify the increase.. lets monitor how many owners are prepare to swallow increase?
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Myself is one of the owners who can swallow the increase. Goid time whack the rental. Bad time swallow lor....do business got to be flexible mah
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Myself is one of the owners who can swallow the increase. Goid time whack the rental. Bad time swallow lor....do business got to be flexible mah
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QUOTE(lai_dm @ Jul 11 2014, 10:25 PM)
BBW taikor, if they increase price per head then we switch to "load speaker" lor, cheaper
consumer got right to choose. same goes to tenants .. if house owner increase rental then we can
go find other cheaper house to rent lo. i believe there are still many ppl maintain their rental rate wan ..
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of course we are flexible, but flippers are not.. only capital appreciation, cannot sell, money stuck, end up paying more.. how?
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jul 11 2014, 10:22 PM)
Like that die lo.

offer 10% lower no one will buy
offer another 10% lower still no one will buy
so need to offer 50% less baru ada orang buying.

Banyak rugi oh.  cry.gif  cry.gif
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tikaram bro

what about ur existing tenant? will u increase their monthly rental ?
increase susah, tak increase pun susah.. rclxub.gif
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of course we are flexible, but flippers are not.. only capital appreciation, cannot sell, money stuck, end up paying more.. how?
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you haven't buy...good opportunity for u; when they give you big discount/

Soon or later you need one also for your family..even buy for your children. tongue.gif





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red box, green box times square ask increased rentals oh.... how leh? buffer karaeok increase bit lor per head RM5-10, 5 fellas RM25 to RM 50..

that is just one of it, try eateries too..
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Consumer has a choice.....u r not oblige to go if u feel the price increase is not right or u r not afford to pay...
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tikaram bro

what about ur existing tenant? will u increase their monthly rental ?
increase susah, tak increase pun susah.. rclxub.gif
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Cannot increase la. Nearby got vp units new and changgih facilitues. Increase no one rent oh.

Die lo. Everything up. But my rental cannot go up.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 10:27 PM)
of course we are flexible, but flippers are not.. only capital appreciation, cannot sell, money stuck, end up paying more.. how?
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of course we are flexible, but flippers are not.. only capital appreciation, cannot sell, money stuck, end up paying more.. how?
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Not only flipper kena affected, middle range income like me also kena lor. Inflation , price go up but salary same. Have to find more lubang income or eat roti kosong instead of roti telur liao
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jul 11 2014, 10:36 PM)
Cannot increase la.  Nearby got vp units new and changgih facilitues. Increase no one rent oh.

Die lo. Everything up. But my rental cannot go up.

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QUOTE(lai_dm @ Jul 12 2014, 12:08 AM)
Not only flipper kena affected, middle range income like me also kena lor. Inflation , price go up but salary same. Have to find more lubang income or eat roti kosong instead of roti telur liao
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Before this, i already eat roti kosong.

now i need to order half roti kosong lio. cry.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 10:27 PM)
of course we are flexible, but flippers are not.. only capital appreciation, cannot sell, money stuck, end up paying more.. how?
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if they are smart they should sell u cheap instead of keep themselves bleeding, but at 1st got to get them educated else not so smart 1 will keep holding they bleeding prop till durian jatuh.
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if they are smart they should sell u cheap instead of keep themselves bleeding, but at 1st got to get them educated else not so smart 1 will keep holding they bleeding prop till durian jatuh.
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QUOTE(lai_dm @ Jul 11 2014, 11:08 PM)
Not only flipper kena affected, middle range income like me also kena lor. Inflation , price go up but salary same. Have to find more lubang income or eat roti kosong instead of roti telur liao
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Before this,  i already eat roti kosong.

now i need to order half roti kosong lio. cry.gif
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Got roti kosong to eat is still better than those who squatting at the road side see u eat n got to wait kechara kitchen at night....
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This is just your wishful thinking only that they ll want to sell u cheap....u see those farmers at cameron highlands, when tomato price drop so much, they rather destroy it than sell u cheap....laugh.gif
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I cannot fall under the smart category, because i got 5 loans with reference to BLR, and the 5th got to start repayment in just another 1.5 year. bank negara cause my life very stress now, stress whole day liao tonight should able to sleep nicely.
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Before this,  i already eat roti kosong.

now i need to order half roti kosong lio. cry.gif
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Got roti kosong to eat is still better than those who squatting at the road side see u eat n got to wait kechara kitchen at night....
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If by sept another hike. Rental cannot up. I might not able to pay half roti and got to wait kechara kitchen lio.


dont know by that time go Q kena halau by dbkl or not?


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If by sept another hike. Rental cannot up. I might not able to pay half roti and got to wait kechara kitchen lio.
dont know by that time go Q kena halau by dbkl or not?
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alo bro, due to new rate hike n possible another 1-2 on d way. m lookin to refinance my prop... any1 noe how much it would cost? or can it done wit d same bank? currently loan below rm200k, no more lock in period, rate blr-1.8% . interested wit flexi loan onli though...

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Given developers tried and tested tactic, they will INCREASE price to compensate for additional interest paid for dibs. UUU!

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Jul 12 2014, 12:01 AM)
alo bro, due to new rate hike n possible another 1-2 on d way. m lookin to refinance my prop... any1 noe how much it would cost? or can it done wit d same bank? currently loan below rm200k, no more lock in period, rate blr-1.8% . interested wit flexi loan onli though...

sory...dunno where to ask... stresss niiii
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blr-1.8? hahaha. ur loan must be from 2007 or so.
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huhu..no la. it was 2010. sub rm200k property, dats d best deal i can get tongue.gif
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blr-1.8? hahaha. ur loan must be from 2007 or so.
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I got one loan with BLR-0.7%.....
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ini bila ni? before 2005 i presume.
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oic. sub rm200k. no wonder. in 2010, i was already getting blr-2.2 like that. anyway all the best bro. kalau nak refinance ni just bayar valuation of ur prop and also legal fees for refinance in which can be factored in ur loan for certain banks. good luck.
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goin through d agent better or i direct go to each bank better?
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interest rate increasd but our local bank will not call and inform.
up to us to pay more or let the tenure extend few more years.
if in singapore, their bank call and advice individually.
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ooo..ic... thanks for d info!!!

goin through d agent better or i direct go to each bank better?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 11 2014, 07:17 AM)
that means bank negara and gov are both big joke lor... like doing nth, bank negara like this is always a joke:

a) RPGT naik 30%
b) removal of DIBS
c) foreigner consents
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e) BR by next year
f) GST

you know what, after this, i confirm must BBB more..
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they are doing this to curb the rise of total household debt. This is a signal from bank negara that our debt level is already at a very dangerous level. Although 0.25% has no effect on most people, but 1% increase would probably
leave some people pissing in their pants due to over committing in property.  biggrin.gif
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if really mere 1% will have the same effect you mention above and further based on high household debt proven by gov that is 86.8% and the fact that only less than 7% are earning 7k and 10k above respectively, while the majority are middle class and low salary earners according to EPF and PEMANDU, that means these group of middle class and low are the ones taking heavy loans, the 86.8% household debt are also based on them as well.. with only 1% to see these effect coming, it is more certain to say many middle class out there are stretching to the max/ nearly stretching to the max... just by mere 1% only..
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jul 12 2014, 07:35 AM)
they are doing this to curb the rise of total household debt. This is a signal from bank negara that our debt level is already at a very dangerous level. Although 0.25% has no effect on most people, but 1% increase would probably
leave some people pissing in their pants due to over committing in property.  biggrin.gif
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Believe most flipping properties have dibs and vp in 2015 or after, interest rate rise have ZERO impact until vp. These flippers still can wish for another round of qe.

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if really mere 1% will have the same effect you mention above and further based on high household debt proven by gov that is 86.8% and the fact that only less than 7% are earning 7k and 10k above respectively, while the majority are middle class and low salary earners according to EPF and PEMANDU, that means these group of middle class and low are the ones taking heavy loans, the 86.8% household debt are also based on them as well.. with only 1% to see these effect coming, it is more certain to say many middle class out there are stretching to the max/ nearly stretching to the max... just by mere 1% only..
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mere 1% increase in BLR translate to an almost 13% increase in my monthly payment, assuming loan tenure not stretched out. Of course this is dependent on your remaining loan tenure left. The longer your remaining loan tenure is, the higher the percentage.
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interest rate increasd but our local bank will not call and inform.
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mere 1% increase in BLR translate to an almost 13% increase in my monthly payment, assuming loan tenure not stretched out. Of course this is dependent on your remaining loan tenure left. The longer your remaining loan tenure is, the higher the percentage.
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Extended loan tenure is more vulnerable to interest rate rise. Those claiming extend loan tenure to minimize monthly repayment is either blind or ignorance of further rate rise.

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jul 11 2014, 11:45 PM)
If by sept another hike. Rental cannot up. I might not able to pay half roti and got to wait kechara kitchen lio.
dont know by that time go Q kena halau by dbkl or not?
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Haha, who will believe U're so hardup....eat roti kosong and yet got time and money (need to pay internet bills to come here) to chit-chat here ?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 08:29 AM)
if really mere 1% will have the same effect you mention above and further based on high household debt proven by gov that is 86.8% and the fact that only less than 7% are earning 7k and 10k above respectively, while the majority are middle class and low salary earners according to EPF and PEMANDU, that means these group of middle class and low are the ones taking heavy loans, the 86.8% household debt are also based on them as well.. with only 1% to see these effect coming, it is more certain to say many middle class out there are stretching to the max/ nearly stretching to the max... just by mere 1% only..
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Household debt 86.8% = Household DSR 86.8% ??

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We go karaok..500 may be can't even cover the gro cost alone...tongue.gif
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RM500 for GRO...walow.....what "under-cover " services these GROs provide ? These GROs must be filthy-rich then to "earn" so much ! Imagine the RM500 split 50/50 with the company... RM250 just from 1 group, 1 nite "service" say 5 groups will mean "earn" RM1,250 x 30 days = RM37,500 per mth. No wonder so many flippers around... too much cash dunno what to do with them.

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Household debt 86.8% = Household DSR 86.8%   ??
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no idea of i household DSR.. i only heard DSR before

but hosehold debt= 86.8% , means once salary nett out say 3k, 86.8% of the said salary already used to pay commitments such as car loans, credit cards, personal loans, construction loans, housing loans and etc. and out of the 86.8% the largest portion goes to housing loans(aka flipped properties for home owners, and invested properties for flippers or investors), in this case the housing loans itself could 70%. how to survive with remaining

100%-86.8%= 13.2% for the whole month? food? petrol other miscellaneous? car repairs? GST? increased BLR of merely RM200 monthly for 500k loan? hehe

surely not enought for the month, how? then delay and non prompt payment, use credit cards cover last months debt, dun pay all commitments till very last minute, service housing loans first...

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 10:12 AM)
no idea of i household DSR.. i only heard DSR before

but hosehold debt= 86.8% , means once salary nett out say 3k, 86.8% of the said salary already used to pay commitments such as car loans, credit cards, personal loans, construction loans, housing loans and etc. and out of the 86.8% the largest portion goes to housing loans(aka flipped properties for home owners, and invested properties for flippers or investors), in this case the housing loans itself could 70%. how to survive with remaining

100%-86.8%= 13.2% for the whole month? food? petrol other miscellaneous? car repairs? GST? increased BLR of merely RM200 monthly for 500k loan? hehe

surely not enought for the month, how? then delay and non prompt payment, use credit cards cover last months debt, dun pay all commitments till very last minute, service housing loans first...
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that is not what that means. Household debt is 86.8% of GDP. I stress that again, GDP.

GDP is not DSR. Remember people are taking loan for amount higher than annual salary, that is what contributes to this high household debt in term of GDP. What more important is the DSR, and DSR is not equal to household debt.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 10:12 AM)
no idea of i household DSR.. i only heard DSR before

but hosehold debt= 86.8% , means once salary nett out say 3k, 86.8% of the said salary already used to pay commitments such as car loans, credit cards, personal loans, construction loans, housing loans and etc. and out of the 86.8% the largest portion goes to housing loans(aka flipped properties for home owners, and invested properties for flippers or investors), in this case the housing loans itself could 70%. how to survive with remaining

100%-86.8%= 13.2% for the whole month? food? petrol other miscellaneous? car repairs? GST? increased BLR of merely RM200 monthly for 500k loan? hehe

surely not enought for the month, how? then delay and non prompt payment, use credit cards cover last months debt, dun pay all commitments till very last minute, service housing loans first...
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Very good calculation.
What is own planning since u know tis?
Still wait n c plus dun act anything ? Or u got back up plan to solve the problem ? Mind to share? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Before this,  i already eat roti kosong.

now i need to order half roti kosong lio. cry.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 08:29 AM)
if really mere 1% will have the same effect you mention above and further based on high household debt proven by gov that is 86.8% and the fact that only less than 7% are earning 7k and 10k above respectively, while the majority are middle class and low salary earners according to EPF and PEMANDU, that means these group of middle class and low are the ones taking heavy loans, the 86.8% household debt are also based on them as well.. with only 1% to see these effect coming, it is more certain to say many middle class out there are stretching to the max/ nearly stretching to the max... just by mere 1% only..
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U make me feel very proud with myself because I can fall under 7% of top earner in Malaysia, although me and my wife still under low level employment in our company. Moving up the corporate ladder can cover a lot of additional interest.
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16th July Public Bank & Public Islamic Bank start increase.
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16th July Public Bank & Public Islamic Bank start increase.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 10:12 AM)
no idea of i household DSR.. i only heard DSR before

but hosehold debt= 86.8% , means once salary nett out say 3k, 86.8% of the said salary already used to pay commitments such as car loans, credit cards, personal loans, construction loans, housing loans and etc. and out of the 86.8% the largest portion goes to housing loans(aka flipped properties for home owners, and invested properties for flippers or investors), in this case the housing loans itself could 70%. how to survive with remaining

100%-86.8%= 13.2% for the whole month? food? petrol other miscellaneous? car repairs? GST? increased BLR of merely RM200 monthly for 500k loan? hehe

surely not enought for the month, how? then delay and non prompt payment, use credit cards cover last months debt, dun pay all commitments till very last minute, service housing loans first...
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No wonder you are so bear bear. The 86.8% household debts to GDP should not inteprept this way la. Is 86%of your monthly income go to debt repayment?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 10:12 AM)
no idea of i household DSR.. i only heard DSR before

but hosehold debt= 86.8% , means once salary nett out say 3k, 86.8% of the said salary already used to pay commitments such as car loans, credit cards, personal loans, construction loans, housing loans and etc. and out of the 86.8% the largest portion goes to housing loans(aka flipped properties for home owners, and invested properties for flippers or investors), in this case the housing loans itself could 70%. how to survive with remaining

100%-86.8%= 13.2% for the whole month? food? petrol other miscellaneous? car repairs? GST? increased BLR of merely RM200 monthly for 500k loan? hehe

surely not enought for the month, how? then delay and non prompt payment, use credit cards cover last months debt, dun pay all commitments till very last minute, service housing loans first...
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Aiyoyo bearbear, you better polish your economics. There is 1 economic student here who can explain what 86% means (I hope he is knowledgeable enough)

No wonder you still don't buy property. You mislead yourself with half cooked knowledge
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OPR increase just start. anythings wait until bank management inform banker.
i am sure if you ask banker, they also say don't know.

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but will they offer better rate than -2.4% ?
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Aiyoyo bearbear, you better polish your economics. There is 1 economic student here who can explain what 86% means (I hope he is knowledgeable enough)

No wonder you still don't buy property. You mislead yourself with half cooked knowledge
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aiyo... 86.8% from loans and commitments not total net salary kah? aihh.. then have few hundred to spare on...

you guys are my best friends.. always correct me when I am wrong... and luckily most of are true thank you guys...

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post Jul 12 2014, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 11:54 AM)
aiyo... 86.8% from loans and commitments not total net salary kah? aihh.. then have few hundred to spare on...

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Assume u r right. What is ur future plan ? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Jul 12 2014, 12:08 PM

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Low salary vs high inflation and high property price. How can the household debt vs GDP not high? Takkan u tell ppl to sleep at the street and eat from soup kitchen meh.
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post Jul 12 2014, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Jul 12 2014, 11:23 AM)
He already excited like walk into the mega sales store even though the sale to be confirm.
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I wonder if he realise he is more a victim. If he take loan in the future for RM500k, he has to folk out RM100 pm extra. If Sept increase 0.5%, then another RM200. Total RM300. The extra RM300 buta-buta earn by the bank and rich people (with a lot of FDs)


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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jul 12 2014, 11:27 AM)
that is not what that means. Household debt is 86.8% of GDP. I stress that again, GDP.

GDP is not DSR. Remember people are taking loan for amount higher than annual salary, that is what contributes to this high household debt in term of GDP. What more important is the DSR, and DSR is not equal to household debt.
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Well...it also meant that the economy is growing using overleverage credit....u can study the history of any nation economic collapse and the main reason is overleveraging from credits...same to what happen during asean currency crisis...investor pull outmoney bcos we are among nations fuelling rapid development with overleverage credits...if bnm dont raise our interest rate now rest assured our ringgit value gonna drop further....


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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 12 2014, 12:13 PM)
I wonder if he realise he is more a victim. If he take loan in the future for RM500k, he has to folk out RM100 pm extra. If Sept increase 0.5%, then another RM200. Total RM300. The extra RM300 buta-buta earn by the bank and rich people (with a lot of FDs)
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It is going to affect all the existing / future loan takers, only the flippers that reduce their expected gain can be escape. That is for sure. While the adjustment on or not still got to see how market react to the rate hike later.

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post Jul 12 2014, 12:34 PM

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This is like killing a frog in a slow heat. Are holders or buyers the frogs, be my guess.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 12 2014, 12:13 PM)
I wonder if he realise he is more a victim. If he take loan in the future for RM500k, he has to folk out RM100 pm extra. If Sept increase 0.5%, then another RM200. Total RM300. The extra RM300 buta-buta earn by the bank and rich people (with a lot of FDs)
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only if people want to buy from you.. or can afford to buy look at PEMANDU and EPF data.. where got many rich ppl.. middle class a lot.. if they stop buying before this hike like now subsales like dead fish.. after 2 cycles of increase and GST.. they just cant buy.. you guys will be holding..

and between, you play rental games, how is yields after BLR increase? increasing rentals or swallow? those newer prop rental yields already depressing now add salt to water luu
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jul 12 2014, 12:34 PM)
This is like killing a frog in a slow heat. Are holders or buyers the frogs, be my guess.
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long time no see you... our treads was in kopitiam di.. now DDD got some points coming di...
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jul 12 2014, 12:34 PM)
This is like killing a frog in a slow heat. Are holders or buyers the frogs, be my guess.
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I think this will only happen if income keep stagnant or worst decrease.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 12 2014, 11:19 AM)
Aiyoyo bearbear, you better polish your economics. There is 1 economic student here who can explain what 86% means (I hope he is knowledgeable enough)

No wonder you still don't buy property. You mislead yourself with half cooked knowledge
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So hosehold debt= 86.8% means what ?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 12:39 PM)
only if people want to buy from you.. or can afford to buy look at PEMANDU and EPF data.. where got many rich ppl.. middle class a lot.. if they stop buying before this hike like now subsales like dead fish.. after 2 cycles of increase and GST.. they just cant buy.. you guys will be holding..

and between, you play rental games, how is yields after BLR increase? increasing rentals or swallow? those newer prop rental yields already depressing now add salt to water luu
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Don't just look at the percentage. Eg...some say the 0.25% increase will cause 3% increase in monthly instalment. Sound a lot but actually only rm60 for a rm500k loan. Likewise, for the rich and poor percentage.
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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 12 2014, 12:41 PM)
I think this will only happen if income keep stagnant or worst decrease.
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so do you think the income will stagnant and expenses increases?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 12:40 PM)
long time no see you... our treads was in kopitiam di.. now DDD got some points coming di...
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I started my midnight US stock trading sometimes ago. Busy learning and trading this high risk investment. So all my time were quite caught up among works, family, trading. I check the thread from time to time and there were all people attacking each others. Really no point reading. I do miss some of the good discussions here too.


QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 12 2014, 12:41 PM)
I think this will only happen if income keep stagnant or worst decrease.
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I was in Taiwan sometimes ago. The salary over there do decrease over the years. Talking abt bad economy! Btw, they are having the same, but worse, situation as here. Plenty of empty and expensive condo and apt. Their young people are even more pressimistic about the future.
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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Jul 12 2014, 12:46 PM)
So hosehold debt= 86.8% means what ?
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See this.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product


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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 12 2014, 12:48 PM)
Don't just look at the percentage. Eg...some say the 0.25% increase will cause 3% increase in monthly instalment. Sound a lot but actually only rm60 for a rm500k loan. Likewise, for the rich and poor percentage.
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brother 500k is actually RM200 monthly.. after september 25 basic points increase..

actually 200 monthl means like this..

extra 50k loan you will be eligible if taking 35 years

so, a property worth 500k subsales (flipped)

bank gives valuation of 80% where in most case it does, so

loans that bank offering= 80% X 500k=400k

now that is before the increase of BLR, if after 0.5 increase in BLR after September, borrowers need to forked out extra 200

in actual fact ,RM200 = less 50k loan on a 35 years tenure, assuming interest rates never fluctuate maintained at 7.1%

so the 400k loans now left 350k loans, you need to top up 30% more just on housing loans.. and when owners got hit by BLR they transfer it to its tenants, tenants will transfer to you borrowers or some call inflation but BLR is targetting to loans.. we will be hit by all angel and lastly our friendly GST..

all these are just normal transfer of burden becasue of OPR increase , we havent include the ones the greedy owners/ middle man will do on a 200 increase.. maybe 400 and profit 200?


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 12 2014, 12:52 PM)
so do you think the income will stagnant and expenses increases?
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Other i dont know but my income and expenses keep increase. 😁
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jul 12 2014, 12:54 PM)
I started my midnight US stock trading sometimes ago. Busy learning and trading this high risk investment. So all my time were quite caught up among works, family, trading.  I check the thread from time to time and there were all people attacking each others. Really no point reading. I do miss some of the good discussions here too.
I was in Taiwan sometimes ago. The salary over there do decrease over the years. Talking abt bad economy! Btw, they are having the same, but worse, situation as here. Plenty of empty and expensive condo and apt.  Their young people are even more pressimistic about the future.
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haha how is your insight towards property market of Malaysia after GST? increased crazily? or many ppl dumping? or they are just cool only...

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