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 Are you guys ready for hike in interest rate?, Interest rate rising in July & September

Are you guys ready?
 
Yes, my loan percentage is low compared to my earning. [ 124 ] ** [63.59%]
No. (Explain why no?) [ 71 ] ** [36.41%]
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post Jul 8 2014, 07:39 AM, updated 12y ago

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Interest rate is confirmed to rise in July and followed by another rise in September this year.

So I hope everyone is ready for the ride up!!! rclxm9.gif

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...debt-risk-grows

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Malaysian car mechanic Cheong Tim Soong spent years trying to curb his dependence on expensive credit card debt until a friend took decisive action – cutting up the card in front of him.

Bank Negara, the central bank, is likely to take similar, though less drastic, action by raising interest rates on July 10 for the first time in more than three years, to curb strong domestic demand that has ratcheted up debt levels and inflation.

Consumer demand has underpinned healthy growth in recent years, making up for patches of weakness in exports, but much of it has been built on an expansion of credit that has also occurred in other Southeast Asian nations because of easy loans.



That has raised Malaysia's vulnerability to possible external shocks, such as a debt crisis in China or a sudden rise in US interest rates. Research firm Oxford Economics said in a report last month that Malaysia's rising debt levels together with a high level of government bonds held by foreigners (around 45%) made it the "riskiest" economy in Southeast Asia.
"Malaysia's household debt is popping up on the radar screen but it's not at the breaking point at the moment," said Fred Neumann, head of Asia research at HSBC in Hong Kong.

"Bank Negara tried to use macroprudential measures to slow down the household debt and what they did was in line with many central banks. But an interest rate hike is often the most effective tool to slow down debt."

The "macroprudential" steps included stricter loan-to-value ratio calculations for property buys last year, and increased penalties for disposal of properties within five years.

Bank Negara has struck a more hawkish tone in recent meetings, giving investors strong hints that it is preparing to raise its benchmark rate from 3%.

At its last meeting in May, it said it may need to act to counter a "continued build-up of financial imbalances", specifically mentioning household debt as a main concern. Most economists expect a 0.25% hike when the central bank meets on Thursday, followed by another as early as September.

Veteran bank governor Zeti Akhtar Aziz has her eye on rising inflation, which has turned real interest rates negative.

The government's recent moves to cut subsidies have increased prices of food, transport and electricity and lifted the annual inflation rate, which in May was 3.2%, up from 1.8% in June 2013.

Rising inflation since the last quarter of 2013 has also put the Philippines under pressure to raise interest rates after keeping policy rates at a record low since October 2012. Indonesia raised its interest rates five times last year.

Strong credit growth and rising consumer debt has been a common thread for Southeast Asian economies since major central banks slashed interest rates in response to the 2008 financial crisis and triggered a wave of easy money to emerging markets.

Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand all have debt-to-GDP ratios above 70%. Malaysia's ratio stands at 86.8%, up from 60.4% in 2008, and the second highest in Asia after South Korea's 91.1%.

More than half of the burgeoning household debt comes from housing loans, while personal and credit card loans account for 21%. It has helped drive a real-estate boom in parts of the country, with national house prices up 11.9% last year and Kuala Lumpur prices surging 30% in three years.

In contrast, the average monthly Malaysian household income rose about 7% annually from 2009-2012.

In an otherwise mostly glowing annual report on Malaysia's economy last week, the World Bank highlighted the risk to growth from the combination of high consumer debt and rising rates.

"Rate hikes are likely to have a relatively larger impact on household budgets than in the past," it said.

Economists say low wage earners will likely be hardest hit by high rates, but the overall effect on the economy should be limited as the bulk of credit is held by wealthier Malaysians.

"The weakest borrowers would feel the pinch with a 25-basis-points increase. Those in the middle income group can always adjust their spending," said Peck Boon Soon, RHB Bank's head of research.

Cheong, a 50-year-old father of three living in the capital Kuala Lumpur, says he was unable to pay off his RM10,000 credit card debt after 4 years because of compounding interest rate payments. Even after his friend destroyed his credit card and lent him money, he is still finding it hard to make ends meet because of mortgage payments and rising expenses.

"It's tough when you have a family. I finally paid off my car loan but that sum is now used to finance my children's extra classes," he said. – Reuters, July 7, 2014.

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...h.SHqrUqdo.dpuf


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post Jul 8 2014, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(woody33 @ Jul 8 2014, 07:56 AM)
Let the horse come
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Well, this is horse year rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 8 2014, 08:06 AM)
for those who haven't buy house then kena worse lorr..
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Yeah, those haven't buy house, when buy house will kena the rate increase. But maybe bank will -2.6 now..hahaha

QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jul 8 2014, 08:11 AM)
Bad news for developers. Now they may have to price new launches more conservatively.
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Problem is developer also affected by the interest rate. If the land is secured with loan, developer will be in deep shit.

QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jul 8 2014, 08:12 AM)
how about subsales? miss the bubble talk previously. learnt alot.
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Subsales price is dropping everyday because demand for subsale is low. Nowaday people only buy new development.

With the interest rate hiking, flipper might get squeezed and subsales price will fall further.

QUOTE(memekfalui @ Jul 8 2014, 08:26 AM)
But but but .....
In property section the guys are still on BBB mode for the whole year!
Some still goreng property price up up up !
Maybe it's true /k all salary 20k per month laugh.gif
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BBB mode only for new development or maybe for own stay. Also, even though BBB mode, many investor unable to secure loan. 50% of loan application got rejected. laugh.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 8 2014, 08:46 AM)
Yes nowadays banks giving less percentage of loan for developers for offices/malls and super high end condo tongue.gif
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Do you think after rate increase, bank will do BLR-2.6% instead of BLR-2.45% now? hmm.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Jul 8 2014, 08:50 AM)
so u r DDD now???
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I'm middle of loan application to buy a house. I don't think I want to be DDD now vmad.gif mad.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM)
When OPR increase by BNM, will bank giving -2.6%BLR  or more to consumer for getting the loan from the BANK.

Bank risk also there; with the LENDING cost from bank2bank hv increse ; their business model earning margin will be very low.

Most bank follow Maybank; becoz of their sufficient capital for borrowing.
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Minus more, margin low. FD will get hit?

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 08:56 AM)
Only 25 points increase in july and another 25 points in sept.. total baru 0.5.. ppl eat snacks midnight also more than these increase..

the market are consist of prompt loan servicer.. and these investors are mostly cash rich... and all not waiting for sale..

increase one shot to blr 8% or 10%.. since most subsales is not moving /cannot sell..
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Thanks bearbearwong for your input. Eventhough prompt loan servicer are cash rich, some of them will be feeling very bad servicing loan getting higher without earning because not only subsale cannot sell, it can't even be rented out. So what do you think will happen? They will continue to hold?
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post Jul 8 2014, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 8 2014, 09:00 AM)
A little while ago Bank Negara said they will do away with BLR.

The new reference rate is BR.

So maybe it will become BR+xx%.
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Yeah, I heard also about BR which is equal to KLIBOR.
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post Jul 8 2014, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 8 2014, 09:09 AM)
you no see.. other BBB says these are small monies.. they will factor it into the new selling price
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Hahaha.. sure can. But the thing is, while holding, kek sim ooor...

QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 09:11 AM)
Bank Negara Malaysia announces today that effective 2 Jan 2015

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_pres...ess_all&ac=2976
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oh tq...

I heard BR is cheaper but more fluctuate.

Not sure if BLR is better or BR.




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post Jul 8 2014, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 8 2014, 09:21 AM)
WILL new BLR framework will be announce on 2 Jan 2015,

It juz 6 month on the road.
Juz mine curiosity will BNM Spike the OPR interest on 10 July...another 2 Jan 2015.

Except BNM dont want 2 Jan 2015 having major hike in OPR...then gradually increase 10 July....

A playing game mind by BNM
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I think you're right that BNM don't want to have major hike in OPR. So increase 0.25 this month and 0.25 in September. 0.25 in November.

And bam, BLR change to BR based on OPR in January.
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post Jul 8 2014, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(prody @ Jul 8 2014, 12:16 PM)
Interest rate would be 0.25/4.2x100 = 6% higher.

6% is not insignificant.
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actually its 0.025 right?
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post Jul 8 2014, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(yiivei @ Jul 8 2014, 12:41 PM)
25 basis point is 0.25

For instance, BLR would rise to 6.85 from the current 6.6.
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if 25 is 0.25, that's a huge rise. My happiness buying property is now become sad because you said 25 basis point is 0.25. Are you sure??? shocking.gif

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post Jul 8 2014, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(yiivei @ Jul 8 2014, 12:52 PM)
For example

Loan: RM100k
Tenure: 20 years
BLR: 6.6 - 2.4 = 4.2%
Monthly repayment: RM616.57
Total interest paid for 20 years is RM47,976.98

If BLR increase by 25 basis point then, monthly installment will increase to RM629.95. And total interest paid for 20 years is RM51,188.86

In short, an increase of RM13.38 on ur monthly installment and RM3,211.88 additional interest in total.

Alternatively, the tenure is prolong by 9 months (roughly) shall the monthly installment remain unchanged at RM616.57

i can be wrong thou.
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Thanks for the calculation sweat.gif

QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 8 2014, 12:53 PM)
I still don't know how the new BLR gonna affect new buyer. I just paid my booking fee for an under con property and in the midst of looking for home loan. This is my 1st property. Since it is a no dibs property, the only affect that I can see is that I'm going to pay more interest while waiting for vp. Am I right?
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Yes, you will serve higher interest while waiting sweat.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Jul 8 2014, 01:02 PM)
installment higher, so your mortgage to income ratio (M/I) increases and may affect the bank's decision to provide the loan

but i don't foresee it will affect most application as the increase of 0.25% is not much really...
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0.25 is a lot.

I hear people scream after getting BLR-2.3% instead of BLR-2.4% (which is differed by 0.1%).

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post Jul 8 2014, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 8 2014, 01:05 PM)
Thanks.

But the increase of the BLR is still better than paying extra rental. The place than I'm renting now, increase rm250 after 3 years so it's about rm80/year.
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yeah, but you don't have to pay assessment, maintenance, etc. Things spoiled also you don't need to fix.

People who buy house forget a lot of thing need to fix.

For landed property, you also need to fix roof leaks that cost until RM50k if got attack from anai2.
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post Jul 8 2014, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(zenjet @ Jul 8 2014, 01:09 PM)
use PMT function and setup an amortization schedule in excel

tak payah kira susah susah ~

any changes can be modified in there ~ u can see the difference and total repayments ~
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Actually if increase 0.25% means...

Your interest rate last time is

BLR - 2.25%.

With BLR increase become

BLR - 2%.

Sound a lot for people with big sum and long repayment period.
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post Jul 8 2014, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ Jul 8 2014, 01:11 PM)
in terms of banks' decision to approve the loan it wont be affected much

case in point

900k loan for 30 years at 4% (assuming house price is 1 mil)
monthly repayment is 4297

at 4.25%
monthly repayment is 4427

difference is only rm130 per month..

but in terms of 30 years payment at an increased interest rate.. then it is indeed a lot...

my rm0.02
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with house price hitting RM700k for normal house, long term wise its a lot.
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post Jul 8 2014, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Metal White @ Jul 8 2014, 01:16 PM)
Banker call me last 2 days, offer BLR + 2.2% (personal name).

Last time 5 years ago, I bought property, the BLR - 1%.

Interest rate goes up and property price go up, as well.

Cannot afford to get 2nd house despite the rates so high now.
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I think your one is BR+2.2% (KLIBOR RATE) or maybe personal loan not home loan

Now still got BLR-2.45%

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post Jul 8 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 8 2014, 01:59 PM)
25 basic point is 0.25%.

100 basic point is 1%, this is jargon using in banking/finance section.
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Thanks for the info. Now I think 25 basis point is quite significance.

QUOTE(yeelong @ Jul 8 2014, 02:28 PM)
source confirmed only hike one time or will have subsequent hike on sept and nov?
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From the news, source said hike 2 time.

But I think probably just hike 1 time.
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post Jul 8 2014, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Jul 8 2014, 03:49 PM)
Interest rate is expected to rise, not confirm to rise. Just wait for another 48 hours, you will know the outcome.

if increase by .25%, for outstanding loan of 1mil, monthly instalment increase about rm100 - RM 150 per month depending on tenure of the loan. For people who can get 1mil loan, will it be a problem?

I bet there will be no rate increase in 2014.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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So rise 0.25% not an issue at all. rclxms.gif
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post Jul 9 2014, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 8 2014, 09:29 PM)
Then? Rent for the rest of ur life? Car also need maintenance ma.. Takkan u wanna take bus everyday meh?  biggrin.gif
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@hey_there Actually there's nothing wrong renting for the rest of lfe. You can't bring house to your coffin also. icon_idea.gif

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post Jul 10 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(CaptainCool @ Jul 10 2014, 01:53 PM)
so what's latest update on this?
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http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...emper-inflation

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Industrial output is also expected to be solid with a Reuters poll predicting growth in May picked up to 4.4 per cent from a year earlier. Factory output data is due at noon today.

The central bank’s rate decision is due at 6pm. — Reuters

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.ZKuq9VHl.dpuf


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