The more i see the less attractiveness of this project.
Htc so huge n close....
And the ever non solving jam on old subang airport road.

IMO each development have different target market. For Panorama potential residents it is advisable that they have no need to use the subang airport hwy frequently as there are many other commercial/makan/govt places that can be reachable via the multiple access reoad around it. So it appeals more to PJ lang proper.

For Subang-centric ppl better invest in LOT15 which IMO is even much closer to the TNB pencawang utama (PU) than Panorama to the HT cable.

NKVE LDP FedWhy and Old Subang Airport roads constant jam during rush hours.....I seriously dunno how you can leave or reach home during these periods.

Latest view of the project which IMO is kinda slow compared to some other projects of the same vintage.

It's not unique to Panorama. This is a problem many city dwellers have to mitigate everyday. Take LOT15 you pet project, the roads surrounding it is jam packed as well all the way to Summit. Worst if you work in PJ and live at LOT15.

The only way to mitigate is to find the development where there are more access roads going in/out of it instead of stuck with a few "jalan mati sebatang" (as i wont to say) like Cantara as an example IMO.

fear not.....at least lot 15 panorama and cantara all have easy access to LRT.

what kills this project and LOT 15 is HTC/Power station.

Clearer pic of the foundation and now doing the main pillars....

Any idea what % of units sold?

Jam is not the biggest factor when it comes to home living. Panorama is definitely not a project for the non-muslim seeing that there is a full fledged mosque (not surau) in less than 300 meter... literally your front neighbor. In my opinion, I still felt that Panorama is designed for the Malays. High bumi discount (10% if I am not mistaken) and extremely close proximity to the mosque, it is like the absolute must buy if you are a Malay.

Lot 15 on the other hand seems more suitable for non-Malay. Low bumi discount (the lowest bumi discount can be given which is 5%), which would slows down the devaluation of the property for the non-Malays after 5 years. Plus, the nearest mosque for Lot 15 is definitely not "walking distance" friendly and most likely you would need to drive out.

This post has been edited by holypredator: Aug 17 2019, 12:03 AM

Then you are definitely not a candidate for investing in this project.

1) You see it is true that there are many ppl who want to live near a mosque that is within walking distance, so the potential for rental to that market is higher.

2) Even for ppl who may want to reside there they may not have your "phobia" of living near a mosque as this is the reality of life in Malaisia.

As long as we don't go about denigrate other ppl choices in property investment due to racist tendencies, self-superiority and self-interest (referring to brokers and agents) then there is calm as it will always be the buyers who will reap/suffer from their decision, NOT the commenter.

Hey man, I'm just pointing out the obvious, you need to chill out.

It is not racist, it is just reality of choice.

It is not a 'Phobia', a full fledged mosque within less than 300 meters distance is definitely something non-muslim wants to consider. My old house is within 300 meters of a Surau (not a mosque) and let's just say the sounds are quite clear given that it is just a Surau. If you can tolerate it and if you like that sort of thing, then by all means go ahead with your purchase decision. It is just a factor for consideration, just like living near a HTC but this actually affects you physically than mentally (perhaps you may want to refer 'Phobia' to HTC instead cause it is something that does not affect anyone physically nor has there been any evidence that it actually affects anyone living near HTC but it still affects some purchasers decision).

Again, it is just a factor for consideration.

I give you an example :

It is inconsiderate if you bought a property in Taiwan near a temple and then complain about the burning of prayer items and want the temple to stop doing their prayers despite knowing that there is a temple there before you purchase your property. However, I don't think anyone can label you as racist for knowing the fact that it will affect your livelihood and choose not to buy the property.

Overall, Panorama is a good choice for the Malays with close proximity to the Mosque and also high bumi discount, I'm not even saying "don't" buy Panorama but it is just better suited for a certain demographic because of certain factors involved.

This post has been edited by holypredator: Aug 18 2019, 11:06 AM

mosque is just English word for surau or muslim praying place.

its the minerats that determine its status.

No... Mosque is english for Masjid.

Masjid is typically bigger than Surau and their Minarets are mostly tower like & size.

If I am not mistaken they do friday prayers at Masjid only. Hence it is very convenient for muslim to buy Panorama.

High bumi discount and convenience to a Masjid, what is not to like?


Not saying non-muslim should not buy Panorama, it is just a few factors that non-muslim might want to consider before getting it especially if it is for own living.

This post has been edited by holypredator: Aug 18 2019, 06:48 PM

Then what is the english word for surau?

The number of minerat determine if the mosque is national, state, district or local.

Dont want to pretend i know everything. Best to check with your muslim friends.

Howver less minerats doesnt mean they are less loud.

Surau - smaller mosque. Not all mosque got minerat. Some surau got minerat. There are some requirement by state islamic council to make a place as a mosque or surau. For friday prayers, can say all mosque will have it but surau also have. If there is no mosque nearby, surau will be used for friday prayer, normally it is being used in KL cbd. You need to observe the location first, if the surau is used for friday prayer. Personally, I'd avoid any place of worship if it is very near. Every religion sure got their own assembly one, so I wont get myself near the traffic build up due to ppl parking everywhere.

This post has been edited by naqib0307: Aug 18 2019, 10:05 PM

So funny see this replied
Pls go to find out how many % of non Muslims staying at condo beside this project, before you comment mosque is main factor.

This bolded part is very true indeed. As long as there's no ample parking space for a place of worship, be prepared to face some traffic congestion.

As far as I know, a lot of blacks living in shang-villa.

I remember one of the forumer here also stated that shang-villa is mostly occupied by students/foreigners.

I'm not saying non-muslim would definitely reject the property because of that factor. I'm just saying it is one of the major factor that they will consider.

Like someone said, a full fledge mosque would normally means that the area would be quite jam during fridays and festive days. Hence it would be a good choice to live nearby so you don't have to worry about parking and could just walk there instead.

one thing I failed to comprehend...

Friday prayng time most owners will likely be at work....

why this bothering them in term of traffic?

Alot of black living Shang Villa?? And festive days and fridays would be cause the jam? You stayed there before? Pls go find out the fact before you comment anything, and pls also go find out how much value of Shang Villa now and how much Panaroma offered, the value always showed the fact, don't simply just make funny statements