Introduction

Sugar Gliders are one of the sweetest pets to have. They are easy to care for, clean, affectionate, loyal, playful and not to mention, incredibly adorable.

Sugar gliders are tiny gliding opossums from Indonesia, New Guinea, New Zealand and Australia. Wild sugar gliders live in colonies of 6 to 15 animals in tree hollows or other nests made of vegetation. They spend daylight hours cuddling in their nest. Early evening and night will find them foraging for food and protecting their tree.

An adult sugar glider is about the size of a flying squirrel, approximately 5 to 7 inches long from tip of nose to base of tail. Adults in proper body condition weigh between 3 and 4 ounces. The tail is fluffy, often curls on the end and usually is longer than the body length.



A young sugar glider is silver-gray with a black stripe that starts just above the nose leather and extends over the forehead, down the neck and back and joins the black tail. A dark stripe also runs from the outside corner of the eye to the ear. Captive-raised sugar gliders remain this color throughout their lives. Wild sugar gliders are born this color but usually become stained cocoa brown from the vegetation and tree sap in their nests. Their new coats will come in silver-gray after shedding the old coat.

The sugar glider's belly is a soft white, meeting the gray exactly at the outside edge of the fully furred gliding membranes. This gives a unique scalloped effect when they are relaxed. The sugar glider has four fingers and an opposable thumb on its hands and feet. The thumbs on the rear feet are without claws. Toes and fingers have small pads that help the animal grasp food and branches. Each toe and finger ends in a sharp claw that can hook like Velcro to nonslick surfaces.

Sugar Gliders as Pets

Sugar gliders are, without a doubt, the true pocket pet. A tame sugar glider is delighted to be in physical contact with its owner's body. It will sit on your shoulder, ride in your hair or nap in your shirt pocket. It is an indescribably delicious sensation to feel this warm, living creature lightly move in your pocket as you surf the net, wash the dishes or fix the car.



You will fall in love with the sugar glider's attitude. This animal is not a pushover and cannot be trained to do anything with negative reinforcement. Isn't a shame that all pets do not have the sugar glider's degree of self confidence? Treated with kindness and love, your sugar glider will choose you as the most safe and desirable tree in the forest and treat you as an equal, somewhat larger, sugar glider.

You will love the sugar glider because it is such a unique adaptation of nature. A huge portion of its existence in the wild is spent in trees. Because of this habitat, the sugar glider developed the gliding membrane that allows it to travel from tree to tree without ever touching the ground in its entire life. Likewise, a sugar glider that is bonded to you will glide back to you, its one true and safe haven if placed on a stranger's shoulder or on top of your bookcase.

Properly fed and exercised, sugar gliders can live between 10 and 15 years in captivity. If you're looking for a charming, interesting pet, look no further than the sugar glider.

Housing

Adult gliders can tolerate a temperature range of 18°-31°C. At the low end of this range they definitely need warm bedding and a small enclosed space where they can cuddle to keep warm. You can use bird houses, coconut shells or any other thing that's suitable for the gliders to sleep in. It is better to use hiding places made of absorbant material like wood, fabric, etc. Absorbant materials keep humidity from building up inside, and also "breathe" so that moisture and smells don't build up. If you use materials such as plastic or glazed ceramic, your gliders will eventually take on a brownish tinge as their fur is stained by the trapped moisture, and they probably won't smell as nice as they should.




The cage should be at least 20" x 20" x 36".



Natural branches or rope perches for climbing are good additions to your cage, but make sure any branches you use are free of pesticides and are not from a plant that could be toxic. Fruit tree branches are good. If you can find the large size exercise wheel made for guinea pigs, your gliders might learn to use it for exercise, but be sure not to get the smaller hamster size, as gliders can get their long tails caught in those, causing some serious injuries.



Other decorations and toys that you can include for your gliders are bird swings, ladders, fake plants, vines and many others as long as they cannot harm your gliders.



Food dishes and water bottles made for birds can be used for gliders.



You can use woodshavings (NO CEDAR OR PINE!), newspaper, cloth and corn cob as the substrate at the bottom of the cage.



This post has been edited by smellyocheese: Aug 2 2006, 09:46 PM

Bonding and Socializing

The first day in a new home for your glider will be quite scary. Once you've brought home your glider, leave it in its cage for a day so that it can get familiar with his new home. Playing with the new glider immediately will cause stress so it's best to leave the glider alone for awhile. Keep the cage in a dark and quiet place. You can even place a cloth or a t-shirt over the cage so that the glider will feel more secure.



I personally find that the best way to bond with your glider is to keep it close to your body. During the day, keep them in your shirt pocket or in a pouch that you can hang from your neck. The glider will get accustomed to your smell. The breathing and warmth is also comforting to them. Bonding with a glider doesn't mean playing with the glider all the time. Gliders can get stressed when overplayed with. In the late evening or early morning (gliders are nocturnal meaning that they are active during the night), spend some time to socialise with your glider by letting it explore your body, hang it upside down and hand feed it.

Tame and bonded gliders can respond to their name and follow simple commands like "come here" or "let go" or "NO!" when commanded by their owners. They will also be very clingy and loyal towards their owners.




There are 2 types of gliders in the market. Baby gliders and adult gliders. Many people are excited over the cheaper prices of adult gliders but they do not realise that most of the adult gliders sold are wild gliders that has not been tamed from young and can be very very difficult to tame. Instead of a pocket pet that snuggles up to you, you'll get a scratchy, crabby and bitey glider. When you're considering sugar gliders as pets, make sure that they are either tamed or babies. Babies bond much better with their owners and they are much easier to tame. Even if they do bite and scratch at first, it won't be painful.

It easy to carry gliders around even when you go out to public places. They will snuggle in their pouches or shirt pockets. Use pouches that are made out of breatheable fabric.




Must Sugar Gliders be Kept in a Pair?

There are many cases against keeping sugar gliders along due to their nature in living in a colony of gliders. Keeping gliders in at least a pair is recommended because many people cannot give half of their time to their gliders.

Gliders can die from loneliness so there is no way to keep a glider alone locked up in the cage for most of its life.

Gliders can certainly be kept alone if the owner is able to spend tons of time with the glider (we're talking about at least 12 hours). This is easier than it's been made out to be. Gliders kept singly will only require 1 hour of play-time but snuggling up to their owner, seeing them every hour or two, receiving strokes murmurs from their owners is what keeps the glider from being lonely. Being pocket pets, gliders can be brought to almost everywhere so they're easy enough to keep by your side for 12 hours or more.

Glider Scent

Male sugar gliders have a scent gland in the middle of the top of their head, which causes the typical bald spot in the center of the wide part of the black stripe there. Another gland is located in the middle of their chest. A third gland, an anal one, is shared by males and females alike. The females also have a scent gland in their pouch.



The male's forehead and chest glands are used in marking his territory and his mates with his scent. Gliders produce at least three distinct odors. One is a sweet, flowery smell; another I don't know how to describe, but it is not really offensive. It can get relatively strong at times, when they are breeding, but after a few days it dies away again. The third is a pungent smell that is produced by the anal gland when a glider is afraid.

Gliders use urine to mark their territory, so you will need to clean their cages and furnishings periodically. Otherwise though, they are very clean little animals

Glider Nutrition

In the wild Glider diet consists of insect and plant exudates such as nectar, pollen, tree sap, manna, honeydew and in some species fruit and seeds. Protein is supplied through the consumption of insects, moths, beetles, pollen and occasional small vertebrates. It is very difficult to duplicate this exact diet because the exact plants are not commonly availble in stores. However, there have been diets that have been used for several years that seam to provide all the nutritional value required for healthy gliders.

Gliders take variety food. The ideal diet for them would be a glider mix food (with various glider-safe ingredients), fruits/vegetables and pesticide free insects.



Many gliders in captivity suffer from malnutrition because there are not many staple food that are well-balanced in the market and many keepers are misinformed on what to feed gliders.

Best nutrition and most widely accepted foods

apple (and apple juice), banana, blueberry, cantaloupe, carrot, cherry, chicken (boiled without skin), coconut, cucumber, eggs (hard boiled or scrambled no added butter or oil), fig, grape, honey, honeydew, insects (farm raised to be used as food such as crickets and meal worms), kiwi, mandarins, mango, melon, papaya, Peach, pear, pineapple, plum, prune, raisin, raspberry, squash, strawberry, sweet potato (not cooked), wheat Germ


Good Foods but should not be used every day for long periods

beans, beets, broccoli, cauliflower, corn, cottage cheese, grapefruit, greens (mustard, kale, collard, celery, stalks, turnip), kale, nectar, oranges, parsley, peas, spinach, turnips, yogurt



Foods to avoid

caffeine (coffee, tea, soda, chocolate etc..), canned foods fruit or meat (most contain added salt and sugar), canned fruit, cheese May cause intestinal stoppage or "binding" leading to constipation, chives, chocolate It causes a toxic chemical reaction in most animals, fat (any food with high or added fat), Fire Fly (lightning bugs) or any other insect that was not farmed raised for food, fried foods, garlic, iceberg lettuce (non nutritional), insects that are wild caught, keels, milk, millet (or other very small seeds), nuts (possible exception of a uncooked, unsalted penult for very rare extra special treats), onions, phosphorus stay away from foods high in phosphorus. use a calcium that does not contain phosphorous., pinkys (although very nutritious we choose not to feed pinkies because of a few items that suggest feeding pinkies may increase the possibility of mothers eating their joeys.), pits (from fruit), processed meat, raw eggs, raw meat (except for live insects), rhubarb, salt (any food with added salt), scallions, sugar (foods with added sugar), sugar (refined sugar, table sugar), tofu / soy products (Even though tofu has been thought of as the perfect protein you may want to avoid this or use it very limited because of several recent articles which suggest "The facts are stated clearly - soy products in the diet of the studied animals is believed to have harmful effects on the body's digestive and reproductive systems."Why take the risk of Tofu when there are many other forms of protein

Reasons

1. Garlic, onions, scallions, chives, leeks, ramsons, (any member of the Allium genus).
These vegetables have been known to cause anemia in many domestic animal species.
Warning: Some baby foods contain onion or garlic powder. To be safe, always throughly scan the ingredients of prepared baby foods before purchase.

2. Millet
This popular item for birds is a definate no-no for Sugar Gliders. These small granules will likely cause intestinal impaction if too many are consumed.

3. Fruit Seeds
The seeds and pits of various fruits are sources of extremely potent toxins. To be safe, throughly check all food dishes before dinner-time to ensure you haven't mistakenly included any seeds, pits, stones, etc.

4. Nuts
With the exception of the occasional Brazil nut, avoid offering nuts. Nuts are high in fat and also oxalic acid, which interferes with calcium absorption. Nuts have also been linked to other health problems in Sugar Gliders.
Any benefits nuts have to offer can be derived from the rest of the diet, provided it is well-balanced.

5. Avocado
Although many Sugar Glider owners offer avocado flesh, this fruit is extremely high in fat and contains toxins known as cardiac glycosides. I recommend never offering this fruit to your gliders.

6. Citrus fruits (oranges, grapefruits, lemons, etc.)
Although offering citrus fruits on occasion will benefit your glider's health, overdoing it will result in diarrhea (which leads to dehydration and a host of other health problems).

7. Sunflower Seeds
Do not offer these seeds in excess. They are loaded with fat and may contribute to intestinal problems.

8. Peas, peanuts, and some plants belonging to the family Cruciferae (Brassicaceae) --- which include broccoli, kale, cauliflower, turnips, mustard, and Brussels sprouts --- have been known to repress the production of thyroid hormone in animals. Do not completely avoid offering these items (although peanuts should be avoided for other reasons as well); just limit your offering of them, and be aware of their potential interactions within the body.

9. Spinach, parsley, rhubarb, beets (and their greens), Swiss chard, mustard, kale, collards, celery stalks, turnip greens, many beans, and plants of the genus Rumex (sorrel, dock) contain oxalic acid, a chemical that binds with calcium and renders it unavailable to the body. (When offering leafy greens, try to stick with Romaine lettuce or other selections not listed above.)

10. Corn
This sweet vegetable is relished by most Sugar Gliders, but do not offer this as a staple, because it is loaded with phosphorous. An excess of this mineral in the diet may compromise proper calcium absorption. A few kernels or a small cob once and a while is fine.

11. Milk Products (yogurt, cottage cheese, etc.)
A Sugar Glider can tolertate lactose in its diet, but some individuals will be less tolerant than others. The keys are moderation and individual attention. Do not feed straight milk or overfeed lactose-rich foods. Observe what each of your gliders eats each night, and take note of how their bodies react to it. Even though it will be difficult to keep track of which gliders are producing which bowel movements, you can figure this out by close observation, or by temporarily separating an individual you suspect to be having a problem for a few hours.

Health Problems

Hind Leg Paralysis - caused by inadequate calcium absorption due to poor diet (low calcium, high phosphate, low Vitamin D) leads the glider's body to produce increased parathyroid hormone, which removes calcium from the bones It is one of the most prevalent dietary problems in gliders and is totally preventable in all cases except where a glider may have a genetic defect making the glider not able to metabolize calcium correctly. You will notice a glider back legs getting week and eventually the glider will be dragging himself by his front legs. This condition can successfully be treated if noticed early and immediately treatment is started. Your vet may want to (and should) rule out possible other causes by x-ray like broken bones.


Dehydration / Diarrhea - Dehydration is simply a symptom to many other illnesses. A glider can die in as little as 10 hours in a hot environment from dehydration. Diarrhea is another symptom of many other illnesses and is it self a cause of dehydration. By pulling up the skin at the glider's shoulders and observing if the skin stays up or goes down very slowly suggest strongly that the glider is dehydrated. Mild dehydration for a known cause (like empty water bottle) can be treated simply by providing fresh water.

Stress / Isolation / No Socialization - Gliders cannot handle stress very well unless they are well bonded and receive a lot of security and comfort from their owner or cage mate. Environment changes like going to a new home wear there are different sundering, different smells and most likely different food can all cause stress. New people, new cage mates, other animals, children, and different sounds are among just some of the things that can cause stress. While stress may not be the same as a virus it can however cause the gliders immune system to weaken opening up additional possible avenues of getting sick. Further Gliders are very social animals and without other gliders or humans to have a social interaction with they will end up being stressed or depresses. The lack of socialization can actually lead to manifest in physical symptoms and severer depression. Some symptoms of stress are sudden change in attitude or behavior, intestinal problems. Cage circling, biting, loss of hair, self-mutilation, and repeated cage movements over and over again. Although I have never seen it in any of my Gliders, apparently self-mutilation has increased quite a bit and become a big concern among several Glider owners.

This post has been edited by smellyocheese: Aug 2 2006, 10:48 PM

Joey Development (Seems like many have gliders in male-female pairs so this would come in handy)

Newborn Joeys- The trip into the pouch:

16 days after mating, sugar gliders birth up to 4 joeys at a time - 1-2 being most common, 3-4 being rare. When a joey is born, it is similar to a rodent baby. Joeys are born pink, naked (no fur), blind and deaf (the ears are fused to the head). Little pinhead sized black eyes are visible at this time.



The mother will lick a path leading to the pouch so the baby can crawl in it. The fur is wet and licked down because the joey is sticky and will get caught and stuck in the dry fur where it will get cold, dry, get no food, and die. The mother will, of course, try to lick it out if it gets stuck, but that makes it worse. (I had this happen to me but thankfully my glider birthed them in my hands so I could help 'untangle' the joey and scoot it into pouch. She's a sweet, healthy joey now.) All they are capable of is crawling(barely tho- their legs are like little nubs). They're born live at about the size of a piece of uncooked rice and crawl into pouch; the whole process takes about 5 minutes for them to be completely in pouch and attached to the nipple. There they remain for another 2 months before they are developed enough to come out. Also, the mother is going to need more protein, so this is a good time to start feeding more.

It's very rare to see a joey born live and make the journey into the pouch. Few are lucky enough to catch it, some by just being around at the right time, others count the days after mating. Most joeys are born in the morning-noon, and I heard somewhere that gliders do not birth joeys at night. I dont know how true that is but with all of mine its held true.



If you do happen to see a joey born or know there is one in pouch and you have little or no experience with gliders, resist all temptation and DO NOT attempt to open that pouch and peek inside. It is possible to do this, but very dangerous if done the wrong way. The joey MUST stay attached to that nipple until it comes off on its own. Joeys jaws aren't developed enough to hold on by themselves. The nipple swells in the joeys mouth causing it to stay latched on, if knocked off it WILL die because it can't open its mouth and get back on.

Newborn Joeys- 5-7 days in pouch:

Disappearing Joeys- Dont freak out if you just saw your joey born but can't see it in the pouch days later. Sometimes first time glider mothers lose their joeys, but dont forget momma glider can hide it in the back of the pouch so it's most likely still there. They haven't done much growing at this age yet and you may not be able to see if for a couple more weeks. It really depends on how observant each glider owner is, and how much you notice about your gliders.

Newborn Joeys- 14 days in pouch:

Not many physical changes are noticeable, the size has just about doubled since birth now. Feet are starting to form on the little nubby legs and tail should be slightly more than a stump. Not much else. If the owner is in tune with their glider it's possible to feel a tiny lump by now. Gliders are still capable of hiding the joey in the back side of the pouch and it's very easy to miss still.

Joeys- 21 days in pouch:

Growth has started to get very rapid and the joey is almost big enough now where the lump is obvious and can't be hidden any longer. The head has grown larger and the eyes are bigger. Ears are still fused to the head, but are bigger and the feet should have little nubby looking toes. The tail still isn't as long as the joey itself yet. Overall size of the joey has increased quite a bit.

Joeys- 30-35 days in pouch:

By now the joey should be a completely visible lump and can no longer be hidden. If you don't see a lump then 1 of a few different things may have happened"
# Cannabalized
# Mothers first litter of joeys.
# The mother was lacking something in the diet.
# Something was wrong with the joey.
# Mother may have been stressed.
# In a trio or more situation females may eat each others joeys.
# Rejected
# Too young for the glider to be a mother and she may not have known what to do.

These are the most common that I know of.

Joeys- 40-50 days in pouch:

The tail should be as long as the joey by now and the toes have little nails on them. The nose looks too big for the head right now, and whiskers are growing. The eyes should be pretty large and have a layer of skin over them. Ears are still fused. The joey will look like a peanut from the outside of the pouch. The head and back give it that peanut shape. Inside the pouch, the joey should be large enough now that its insides can be seen fairly well through the transparent skin. Now is the best time to just sit with the female on her back and watch the joey move around, provides hours of entertainment. May even get lucky enough to see a foot or tail tip pop out of pouch occasionally.

Joeys- 60-63 days in pouch/ Out Of Pouch(OOP):



The joey should be coming OOP around this time. The jaw is developed enough where it can detach and get back on to eat.It can take up to a week for a joey to come fully out- meaning it's too big to fit back in the pouch.

There will be butts, tails, feet and everything hanging out of pouch. After a few days to a week the joey will be out of pouch and clinging to its momma. It just sticks its head into the pouch to nurse instead of the whole body being in there. When it comes OOP it should have a very fine layer of fur on it, the underside is all pink still, no fur. Ears are just starting to 'pop' out and with mine I've noticed that around 3-5 days after being fully OOP they start hearing. I don't know if that's just mine, though. The eyes are still closed but have enough skin over them now so it doesn't look like a big black dot anymore.



Since the female has two uteri and three vaginas it is possible for her to have two different aged joeys in pouch. It's possible for joeys to come OOP 2 days apart to 2 weeks apart. Dont panic and think one is 'ahead' of the other. This is completely normal. Joeys start making little 'fussing' noises about now, if the mother leaves the joey in the nest and the father happens to be out too, when that joey cries they will come running to its aide. They make excellent parents.

It's possible right now to be able to tell what sex the joey is. Handling is encouraged at this time, but start out slowly. Start at 2-3 minutes and work up to 5 a day, then 10 and so on.



Joeys- 7-15 days OOP:

Eyes should be opening and they should be able to hear by now. The fur is thicker on the shoulders and neck, but still very thin underneath. The teeth aren't very developed yet but there are tiny ones starting on the top jaw. The bottom 2 teeth aren't very long and it looks like a small lump on the gum.

The joey should be pretty vocal by now and riding on either of its parents backs when they go somewhere. The joey will not leave the nest alone and go exploring just yet. Joeys may 'jump' in your hands when held, I am not sure why but mine did that just when they were starting to sleep. This will go away around 30-45 days OOP.



At this age the joeys lke to be kept warm since they dont have much fur on them yet, they like sleeping in hands and being kept warm. Also, now is a good time to move the nest/pouch to the bottom of the cage in case a joey happens to wander out by accident.

Joeys- 25-30 days OOP:

The eyes should be completely open and the joey more adventurous. The ears are up and listening to everything. Fur should completely cover the underside. Scrotum/inside of pouch won't have much fur yet, but very shortly will be fully furred. Some joeys may even start practicing small jumps or hops, most will not tho. Teeth are big enough where biting will hurt and the joeys will start to chew fingers/nails now.

Joeys- 45 days OOP:

Most joeys, by now, are looking to explore and are showing thier personalities. They should be running around the cage with the parents and riding on backs less, now is a good time to try playing games with them that you might play with the parents. Not too rough, be gentle. Joeys should be starting to pick up food, mostly fruit, off the parent's dishes and taste it. They most likely won't try tasting the meat or eggs till later. Just the juices and fruit, maybe some veggies is all the joey will eat. At this age they do like baby cereal, don't overfeed, just a little for a nice treat to help get them started on solids. It helps to mix the cereal with some juice.

Joeys- 55-60 days OOP:

At around this time the joey will be completely weaned and able to live on its own. It should have a fully fluffed out tail by now and eating most solid foods that are fed to the parents. It will want to come out and run and play with the parents at night and the parents(most of them anyway) will wrestle and play rough with the joeys. I don't mean rough like biting them, but rolling around and hollering at each other. Before seperating from the parents be SURE the joey is eating on its own and make sure it 'pees' and 'poos' by itself. If it doesn't, then it isn't ready to be on its own yet. If not ready yet, it may be another week before the joey is ready to live on its own.

This post has been edited by smellyocheese: Aug 2 2006, 10:49 PM

To be updated later

This post has been edited by smellyocheese: Aug 2 2006, 10:49 PM

V2!!!!!

Wah.... good info... damn a lot of info hahaha... good job connie!!!

pics a bit too big to view ... can cut abit ar ... hihih.. sorry ..

nice good n full of info for beginners...

And those pictures are nice...good job!!

good info especially on joeys.

wow^_^
thumb up up n up for ya!!

aiks.. I'm late to grab the 1st post

good info over there, very suitable for ppl like me..

btw, in old thread, saw the SG eat the fresh born rat...
first time see them so fierce 1...

i saw some cruelness in sg part 1....
why one of forumer sent picture two gliders eating living baby mouse/rat...
what is your feeling if somebody sent picture a snake or a cat killing ,tearing and eatinga cute sugar glider alive!!!

wow eating sugar glider? They will having a very expensive meal.

I dont think the poster have any intention to insult anyone. That was my first time seeing SG can do such thing. Should beware on my baby. Dont let him turn into a predator. LOL

Oh, and the SG killed the snake. I guess they confused it with superworm. They thought it super mega worm!

But still SG comelll

This post has been edited by nira_110: Aug 5 2006, 11:32 AM

wah, imagine ur SG turn into predator, and confused ur finger with the mealworm, wat it goona then?

thanks everyone. I'll resize the pics later. will add more stuff later. (weekend I abit busy)

anyway, joeys are nutritious to gliders but it's a personal belief of many that it will up the chances of the gliders eating their own babies cuz after all, they look like pinkies when they're born.

but seeing how the gliders in the pics didn't eat their babies... so why not yeah?

but there are always alternatives.

the pictures were kinda disturbing too...

especially their eyes when eat that pinky thing, nvr ever fed them with that la, bring their carnival instint back again ler...

Gliders need protein in their diet. In the wild, they eat insects, bird eggs if they are lucky and sometimes baby birds.... well, you won't know for sure what they eat in the wild.

yalor, wild 1, we sure dunno la..
i mean home tamed 1, if feed them with those pinky stuff, see liao also scare la...
somemore from the last thread, the pic there show the pinky with blood and those SGs eatin them, omg

Ahahah.... all of you soft heart.... if you google glider diet, there is a breeder that gives live day old chicks to glider to eat. That is worst than a pinkie. You see, in the wild they can find their own food and when they need high protein they will hunt for live prey lah.... but tame, do we give them enough protein? Do they get enough calcium? Do they get enough nutrients? So many breeders in other countries try as much to create diets that are close to the wild diet. Offering pinkies or chicks is just a way for getting better protein into a glider's system. Gliders are not domesticated pets... they are still considered wild at heart.

oic, thnx for da info, btw, do u feed ur SG with those pinky??

1 more thing, i came accross this when i try to search info bout SG

Premium Manicure Manager Nail Trimmer With Comfort Stride Track


this thing will fit in the wodent wheels and guess wat, no more nail cutting process...
got this stuff in malaysia, o is just me that din notice bout it...

My glider still young loh.... I offer her mealworms for now. I actually gave a pinkie to my leopard gecko and tarantula before.... coz it is good for them... well, for SG, you don't need to give pinkies and chicks everyday, if you give cooked chicken, good enough. I would consider giving a live pinkie once a while when my glider older lah... of course need to breed mice first hahaha....

Hmmmm.... never see that before... nail trimmer.... gives me an idea of lining the normal wheel with some fine sand paper. I think it will work too provided it is the fine sand paper which is safe on their paws.

beside from the wheel juz now, i also found few others...


Climb And Trim Nail Ladder

This is a BIG issue for humans owned by their suggies!
The Climb And Trim Nail Ladder provides a place for your glider to climb on to reach a favorite spot in their home and trimming those picky little nails at the same time.
This item also provides a very SAFE method to trimming nails without making them too short thus causing injury as not being able to climb as other products contain a warning about injury!
This item need no warning message as it is created by a top business in the pet industry and is used for many pets and is non toxic and safe!
It works as they climb up and down the ladder trimming them in a natural time frame.
The Trimming Ladder hangs on the side of any cage even at the top of a cage resting on a perch, as shown above!
It can also stand up on the bottom of the cage if your suggie is a bottom dweller.


JUMBO Sit And Snack Nail Trimming Station


The JUMBO Sit And Snack Nail Trimming Station provides a place for your glider to climb on and have a snack with the convenient snack cup that attaches in different positions on the Trimming Station.
Just add some Zoo Med Worms Or Crickets to the snack cup and they will gladly move back and fourth while having a nutritious snack and trimming those picky little nails at the same time.
This item also provides a very SAFE method to trimming nails without making them too short thus causing injury as not being able to climb as other products contain a warning about injury!

Wahhh... these products can't be found here... pity as these are great toys. Hmmm... I'm gonna try with sand paper and see how the effect is lol...

ok where can i get all those? i'm really having a very hard time trimming nails for my Phoebe

hope it will work, but i think better carefuly, use very fine sand paper, scare hurt their fingers...

haha, bulk order maybe??

added:
Here is the site where i found all those nail trimin thing..

This post has been edited by pinchboyz: Aug 5 2006, 05:59 PM

LOL.... I mentioned already to use fine sand paper mah hehehe.... anyway, this product is an idea from bird toys coz in US, they produce nail trimmers for parrots, very similar to the ones you posted.

Bulk? Gonna be damn costly... better find someone who is going there for holiday and maybe tumpang beli.... I think that is much better coz bulk you may need to order quite a number, plus shipping and currency... wah... pengsan later hehehh....

I wear glasses and cut their nails one by one. At first it is hard, now they are used to it. When I say "hand hand", they will lift both hands

u try with sand paper la...
let u become the first white mouse, then tell us all the result loo...
good idea??

damnn
how come urs so cute 1

Coz I always wake them up at 6pm when I reach home, and carry them around when I was cooking, washing, toilet poo poo'ing, hanging clothes, checking LYN, folding clothes, ironing clothes, mopping the floor, sweeping the floor, cleaning the dusts, etc etc..

Just now GongGong escaped from his cage. I chased liao siao somemore kena bite.

Actually wan to keep sugars but very expensive. LAst time ask the shop , need RM300++, sendiri breed one also need so expensive meh? lol. Me now also no time and no place to keep lar. So sad....

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Don't be surprise that glider eat pinkies. So a big warning to those who has hamsters with them. Mine almost atk my hamster when the hamster went near the cage. Also from time to time, when I'm feeding them, they saw my hamster biting the cage, they will hop to the cage. Scaring my hamster...

Now I have to place my hamsters' cage as high as possible in order to avoid incident happen.

As for nail trimming, I would not recommend using those things. Coz it might hurt your gliders' naked hands and feets. Those are sand paper and their hands and feets are quite soft. So... better don't...

I cut their nails on every 2 weeks schedule basis. I would not miss it coz if I miss the schedule, will mean pain to my body hahahaha...

we're not too concerned with Pie's nails because she doesn't really dig her nails into the skin when walking. but donny's nails are pretty sharp. we just use a nail file.

Nail file?

can get from Guardian or Watsons pharmacy. i'll go look for it later.

yesterday took out my Max to play. stayed still on my shoulder while i playing games, that is about 30-45 mins without moving man

then when i wanna put him back into the cage he doesn't want to

Yalor... same goes to Benben, he sits on my shoulder and watch TVB drama with me Never move somemore, only eyes move up and down looking at the ppl inside the box gua.

Sasa is a bit more active. Jump from my shoulder to jorineb's shoulder then jump back to mine.

same case like mine. My Phoebe would run around and she run damn fast 1. my hand also have to fast if not miss catching her

hey.. my mickey the one i adopt from satanduck is doing fine with my boboy...i call him mickey bcos he has a big pointy ears.. ehehe... no more crabing at me....


guys why dont u all list all ur suggies name n the cage display for others to see???

yeah, display the cage can a???
i wanna see how to setup....
so that i can copy copy a bit...

Hehehe... not yet set up cage yet loh.... now Kiah in small hamster cage... temporary only, waiting for her exo terra cage...

Today I successfully filed Kiah's nails down... now not pain liao hehehe...

At last!! I was looking for V2 for 2 days. Gong-Gong me, dunno how to find. Thanks Crazymouse !!

By the way, bout the nail thing. I've trim their nails but when they climb on my shirt they will fall off like no ballance, but if I don't trim they will stuck on my shirt cannot move at all. Dunno wat to do

And for the sandpaper, got poison or not? after they chew and eat then habis la...

my rufus just woke up. Today let him sleep on his pouch and on my bed. Eventhough i wasnt at home, he just slept all day. When i went back home saw him sleeping like that.

haiya like wan to tarik all the kaki....so damn cute.

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Jealous!!! My GongGong still bite me

and where you gonna put the cage...?

I'm also waiting for donny's and pie's cages.

haha. good la. but her nails weren't too bad to begin with.
i have to file pie's nails also.

they seem to like the new food you gave me

try not to trim so much lor.. I think just filing would do.

sandpaper.. just use it supervised... should be alright.

I realize that male's nails are longer and sharper than female's nails.

This post has been edited by InfiniteVoid: Aug 7 2006, 10:03 AM

Just clipped Benben and Sasa's nails. Now they cannot climb properly
I dun wanna try using sandpaper since their hands is so soft. Try to make them hold a mealworm with one hand - distracted, then clip their nails. That works for me.

gerbils nails are sharp too... I was thinking of filing them but they wont hold still so its impossible.

best time to do their nails is when they're sleepy/sleeping.

how does nail file look like? If I go to watson and ask them, they will know ar?

And for the bedding, do u guyz still put the metal thing on top of the bedding or just leave the beddin for them to walk on it? (hope U guys understand wat I mean-dunno how to explain)

As for me, my babies cannot touch the bedding. Coz separated with the metal thing. Yes I know what you're talking about.

Reason is to prevent my babies from eating the bedding (i.e. Sugre's babies)

lol lucky u know wat I mean. I taught no 1 will giv me answer.. ur cage must be very big, cause mine if I put the metal thing also they can reach for the bedding (hamster cage) How old is ur babies?

nail file.



i don't use the metal bedding. when i was using the wood shavings the gliders sumtimes burrow in the woodshavings. no prob.

but I stopped using wood shavings because when everytime got ants I have to change the entire bedding. quite wasting so I just use newspaper and an old t-shirt/pillow case.

i read that most suitable for SG is like 3 feet cage??
small cage also work well with them?

Mine are adults ler My cage is 5ft x 2ft x 1ft... yeah.. quite big..

Hmm.. the metal thing I meant was the separator between the bedding and the cage thing wo.. how to say.. hmm..

Better dun use those small small cage lor.. they need more freedom to jump around. But dun simply buy cage la... if you find you dun have budget to buy a cage for your gliders then just use temporary hamster cage. When you save enough, then buy a big cage for them

5feet cage, damn big...
okok, thnx for da advice...
i will confirm on this thursday/friday see got go down kl onot..

Got place lah hahaha.... I never show you meh? HEhehehe.....

She so good.... today brought her to class... while doing marker drawings, she barked hahaha.... luckily soft soft. Aiyoh, so cute lah.....

They like the food? Hahah... not bad I guess when I simply put the left over stuff in.... well, I only left 1/3 of the container, gonna finish soon since Kiah takes 1 tablespoon a day now hehehe....

I cut before hamster and gerbil nails hehehe....

when they're young and only as a temporary enclosure it's fine.not forlongterm.

yeah. I know what you mean. I typed wrongly.

Late in saying this... but smellyocheese you did a great job wth the new thread. Very informative, I likey likey

Yes Sui Teng my babies eat the bedding at the bottom of their cage. But now that is not so worrisome. They make loads of noise at night, from their playing. When they are wrestling, one of them will fall and hit the bottom of the cage with a load "bam". Then when they run overzealously on the wheel they fly out and "bam" again. Then when they are on me and do their jumping to the cage or anywhere...they miss cue sometimes and land real hard. Will they break anything? They are so small....

I'm not exactly sure if they'll break anything.... but to be on the safe side, I'd suggest that you play with your babies at night so that they'll be tired out and won't be overly hyper when you're asleep.

My babies always climb to the highest part of the curtain, then glideeeee to the wall and goes *splat* then drop right down to the floor..

Hurt or not ar?

My MiuMiu also capable of doing such stunt but I won't allow her to do so. The highest place she can jump of is from my shoulder to my leg. When she fall flat on floor, my heart also follow her fall flat - ouch!

lol.. my girl also, everytime she fall on the floor she will lick her nose like saying "ouch-ouch" but then do again, like nothin happen

And for the cage, I think I need to buy a bigger cage already. The reason I ask U all regarding the bedding bcause when my baby poopee, the poop got stuck on the metal thing. It look so messy and also make my baby fur very dirty. They r gettin bigger so the poop also gettin bigger So, any recomment where I can get a big cage for good price?

My Benben also, jumped *splat* drop. Then look at me with a blur face, then climb the curtain and do it again

Get the from Pet Safari lor.. but they are using bird cage as SG cage, not cheap also.. around RM150 when I asked last time

For now I'm using chincilla's cage for my SG, that's why my cage is so big

Ha ha... So funny when they drop down, their face look so innocent. like want to hug them

By the way, how much did u pay for ur chinchilia cage?

Yalo.. when they drop that time they look at you and like asking you how come can drop haha... I bought the chincilla cage at a special price from a friend of mine Sorry ya cannot disclose here.

Mine like to climb to the top of my head before doing gliding stunts... not a very good experience for somebody with not much hair... but as far as their gliding go they seem to be getting better, i.e. less miscues/ended up landing on their belly.

Last night Boris was up barking again. I wonder did he FINALLY realised his kids are gone?

This post has been edited by satanduck: Aug 8 2006, 02:00 PM

Boris is the "stupid" one izzit? So he FINALLY realized. Aduh
Or maybe they are at-it again

Yes Boris is the "slow" one. Sometimes I call him "Bo-Eng".

Thanks smellyocheese. I will take the same route as SuiTeng and play with them from the moment I get home from work. Maybe that will tire them out and keep them from doing Kamikaze jumps.

Their nails are killer though. Usually I can only take about 30 minutes of them crawling on me. When they grip upside down on the inside of my arm or leg, the only thing I can think about is : Ouch! Plus the scars on my arms and the small little holes are not exactly nice either.

Oh and the glider mix called Slurp. How do I get it? I am already making a mix for them that is said to be the safest and its well rounded.

Consists of:

Apple juice
Carrot juice
Wheat germ
Apple sauce
Yogurt
Oats
Broiled chicken
Wheatgerm

Can anybody tell me if this is ideal? I already bought the ingredients in bulk. So i better not waste it after I busted my wallet for it.

If you have busted your wallet to buy a mixer especially for them, you can blend in mealworms too

Trim their nails while they are sleeping. Then they can't grip that much, and doesn't hurt that much. I have red-dots on my hands too..

suiteng ...hows ur GongGong doing ?



satanduck..i still cant get a clearer shot to take pics of Mickey.. very fast runner.. but no more crabbing at me..hehehehehe im very happy now... eat alot sumemore.. he also want to molest my adult female.. kuikuikui... ...ermm sumore.. can u post ur cage pics ar..very very nice oooo...

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My GongGong still bite me.. wuaaaaa
His teeth quite sharp too. Pain pain
Still haven't get a chance to take his pic yet.. wait till I tame him enough. He have to get over the devil experience

Must be the calcium powder I've been giving them hahahaha

My cage ar... can lar but I recently added another coconut hut (its now their favourite hiding place...) and a couple of bells... will post the cage picture once I snap it

Better becareful of those tiny holes on the bell oh. Scare their nails got stuck and they might twist their hand/feet.

the mix doesn't have enough vitamin and calcium supplement. the chicken is sufficient for protein but not enough for you to lessen the feeding of insects.


don't blend in mealworms as the mix will go bad faster. basically don't blend in anything that's "fresh". Those dried mealworms are fine I suppose but kinda pointless. they're dried.

Ahhhh.... I still got free Slurp samples.... who at Cyberjaya want?

Me Me !!!! I'm in Putrajaya

lol. mine finish already. I made new batch la.

crazymouse...me want also....
me cyberjaya ..
want to try for my new babies.....
i think i got female twin...hehhee....

Wui Wui... Wats up?! Wat happen to all the ppl in here? Why today so quiet 1 ? All sleeping like SG ar?

hehe.. we have become one with our sugar gliders...

owh ya, DeeDee escaped from her cage today.. okay, not really escape lar.. my carelessness of leaving the cage door wide open..

din realise she was missing until I saw lil poop on the floor.. so searched my room for her.. couldn't find her... then took some tissue to pick up the poo poo when someone started crabbing.. teehee.. DeeDee crawled into the tissue box and fell asleep under the tissue papers..

aiseh.. must be more careful next time.. good thing Joey was fast asleep in the cage.

On the contrary, I think ur mix is perfect. Yoghurt is an extremely rich source of calcium - paragraph 6 http://www.pygmypets.com/sg8.htmlApple and carrots are excellent sources for vitamins. However, for the sake of taste, do vary fruits once in a while.

The broiled chicken is more than a sufficent source of protein. But considering it gets boring in taste after a while, u shud try live prey items like pinkies or cicak. Gliders dont tire of them. I've been keeping gliders for about two years now and they never get sick of the taste of blood and flesh.


They love cicaks... dont forget in the wild they naturally prey on any moving thing they can catch.

As for my glider diet here it is:-

3 times a week fruit slices with dog biscuits, sometimes with rasberry/strawberry jam.
3 times a week yoghurt with slices of fruits or dog biscuits.

And once or twice a week live prey.

Regards.

sry for askin, so if u feed them with live prey, r they still tat tamed, o ganas??

still tame. From my experience, it's a misconception that when u feed anythign with blood to pets they'll revert to their primal nature. Not so - at least in the case of my gliders. And as u can see they don't eat their children just because they eat live prey.

ok, thnx for da info

calcium and vitamin in yogurt and processed fruits varies in brands though. In Gerber applesauce for instance, has 75% vitamin C but 0% vitamin A. Regular canned applesauce may have as little as 7% vitamin C but 1% vitamin A but of course we don't use that because many in the market have added sugar and salt.

Many yogurt have calcium as little as 4%. Some may have up to 45%.

where u get the cicak ek.r u buy it from the shop or u catch it urself?

how much is the rough cost to rear these cute little animals? so interested~

Catch myself. I have alot of creatures that eat cicak. Most of them snakes. There is a technique to catching them that is much easier than rubber bands.

mind to tell us the skill of [cicak catchin] that u developed?

Ha ha. so cute!! Must becareful lor, last time mine also the same, forgot to close the door. Then suddenly came out, luckyly didn't step on him!!