When mudslinging, slandering and accusations start flying everywhere it no longer becomes a discussion. It becomes a battle for pride and ego. Should also report a mod.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Jul 11 2014, 07:46 PM

hi all, im interested in becoming a christian. what should i read up on before doing so?

Bible Devotions with UW

Only 1 thing is needed



In the Middle Eastern culture, it is the norm for the women to be busy in the kitchen preparing food for guest of the house.
It would really look inappropriate for a female to be sitting with the guest. From the perspective of outsiders, it may seem....lazy.

There is a very powerful truth here that our Jesus want us to know. I'm sure we have read this passage many times but don't really understand the
significance of the story. There is a typology here why the Holy Spirit records for us to learn.

I want to ask you a question. Who do you think make Jesus look like God? Martha or Mary?

Martha symbolizes Christians who think they need to give to God, like God is in need and demanding something from you. So they are always working trying to please God.

Mary Symbolizes Christians who is in need and recognize God is the one who supplies.

Who do you think in essence of this story "worship" God?

In Genesis chapter 1 When God created the Heavens and Earth, He created all the seed bearing plants and told Adam you may FREELY eat......
Adam did not need to worry about providence, He just need to tend to the Garden, God is the one who cause all the plants to grow and bear fruit. Adam merely need to reach out pluck the fruit effortlessly.

At the Well of the Samaritan who met Jesus. Jesus said this words.
John 4:10 - Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."
Yes the focus is YOU would have asked Him not God asking you. Who is the one in need? Bear in mind in this story Jesus is the one who is hungry and tired. Think about it.

So back to the story of Mary and Martha, who do you think pleases God more?

The answer is Mary. Why?

Because Mary understood in essence, Here is the one who has unlimited power and resources. The One who fed the 5000 multitude not counting children and woman with 12 extra basketballs left.
The one who turned water into wine effortlessly. She recognize God is never in need but God is ever wanting to Give. She has chosen the good part and will not be taken away. In that sense, though not mentioned but I believe God is more pleased with Mary for she has chosen the "better" position which is the position of receiving. The one who is always trying to please God thinking God is in need does not realize, He has make God to be like one who need to take from you in order to be pleased. Nothing could be further from the truth.

When you come to God, understand that we are the one who is ever in need, not God. When you have this perspective, you in a way acknowledge that God is the one who is Almighty, God will honor you and say you have chosen the good part and will not be denied of it. When you read the entire Bible, you'll find that it's always God is the one who gives and bless, He wants to give, not take from us. Even in the most difficult passages that seem to make God is like demanding, if you see carefully and read under the lens of the Holy Spirit, you will usually find GRACE, that God wants to give more than you ask for. And that is the ONE thing that is needed.

God Bless.

The best to read is bible. but the easiest to watch is youtube. let's start with "reading" topic first.

Unlike al-quran, bible is translated to many languages and still considered bible, not "2nd class bible". Bible originally written in greek / aramaic (sorry forgot details but sure not written in english originally). Original writings and translation works both carry same truth, same authority.

I use english bible. Unfortunately, there are a lot of english bible. I use NIV because it's simple english. It's a matter of my preference, no string attached.

Here is the website:

https://www.biblegateway.com/

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Also, as part of your interest in becoming christian, you need to know that Christians are not 1 size fit all in term of teachings and understandings. Yes Jesus is God and Savior, but teaching and understandings are different topics.

There are groups of Christians. There are many factions / streams bearing Christian label. You can compare to moslem it has sunni / syiah. In Christian we called it denomination / movements etc... in short, not 1 size fit all.

I also part of a denomination / group / movements and I have Jesus as Savior. Every Christians should claim Jesus as Savior, but it does not means that all Christians agree with every other Christian, naturally because humans are different, also denomination clearly defines the border.

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Because of that differences, therefore following advises as per what i think good for you to start, but get ready that not everybody is agree with me.

Back to your interest to become christians, to fulfill your interest, reading bible is good but not easy. youtube is easier imho. then i suggest you find 2 keywords in google and youtube:
1. Joel Osteen.
2. joseph prince.

then you need to go to church, and find some community to build your faith. But here is a catch:
if you are malaysia muslim bumiputera, unfortunately, i think you should know that JAIS / JAIM prohibits muslim bumiputera to go to church. therefore imho your church gonna be overseas because you just cannot go to church in malaysia. That's what i know. cmiiw.

Josepth prince church is in singapore, so you can fly every weekend to singapore. you can fly airasia to indonesia medan if you live in penang / selangor.

if you are chinese / india race, then in malaysia I know only 2 churches:
1. http://dumc.my/
2. http://www.chc.org.my/

Other churches I have no ideas, perhaps members here can help you out.

last few days u were posting this, now u suddenly interested?
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=69147090

Dear de_luffy,

Sorry for the late reply [weekend is where real life intrudes ]. So I will be short.

I don't presume to know what on why people like to judge. I guess this is a big problem as even in Matthew 12:36 and 37 the Lord says, “I say to you that every idle word which men shall speak, they shall render account concerning it in the day of judgment; for by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be convicted.”

For me, we should never receive this word and apply to others . It is only for ourself . As ones who lived under the light of His judgement seat, we will render account for every idle word we speak. The Greek word for "idle" is argos, composed of two words: a meaning not, and ergon meaning work. An idle word is a non-working word, an inoperative word, having no positive function, useless, unprofitable, unfruitful, and barren. In the day of judgement those who speak such words will render account concerning every one of them. This warning indicates to us that we must learn to control and restrict our speaking.

Whether our words are just or not does not lies on our part. But we all have the attitude that to we seek to come to the full knowledge of the truth in the spirit of fellowship according to the divine revelation in the Bible.

We can also only practice generality with each other than the items of our faith [the things we believe in to be Christians: the Bible, God, Christ, the work of Christ, salvation, and the church]. Not by inquiring if they hold the same doctrinal views that we hold, or have had the same spiritual experiences; nor by seeing if their customs, manner of living, interests, and preferences tally with ours. We merely inquire, Are they indwelt by the Spirit of God or not? We cannot insist on oneness of opinions, or oneness of experience, or any other oneness among believers, except the oneness of the Spirit. That oneness there can be, and always must be, among the children of God.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 12 2014, 12:33 PM

You wonder.

hello guy im new here..anyone know church near cheras area.. if can pm me pls, really appreciate your help

Sorry Bro, not familiar with Cheras.

this is serious kopitiam

please leave kopitiam style taunting in the other kopitiam

So you are implying that my style right now is 'kopitiam' or someone told you that. Someone who is probably "influential"

Because if you read my previous post, it's definitely not 'kopitiam' style.

Now, I am just curious why are you actually posting this when I have not really been posting in days.

I am just wondering, are you actually friends with the people who actually reported me because it seems that there are lots of kopi thiam style posting in real life issues and nothing is being done.

Anyway, thanks. But if you have noticed, I have not been posting here for 3 days so arrrr, let's keep the obvious biasness to yourself because I know where you are coming from.

To the person who actually reported me all I have to say is you have really exposed yourself.

Well to be honest, I am outta here. I am not interested in posting actually and this is reflected by my inactivity in this thread. But I have to post this because there are a few "christians" here who seem to have an agenda. I do not even consider this a Christian thread at this point of time and to be honest, I would never have even posted here if not for this posting.

Thanks for exposing what you really are.

By the way admin. I think my reply is actually appropriate based on what he has written in the first place. Are you really sure my style is kopitiam style or do you want me to actually show you what kopitiam style writing is.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Jul 14 2014, 09:41 PM

i am only referring to that particular post

if you feel there are other kopitiam styled reports you deemed unsuitable in the thread, pls use the report button rather than taunt others. we will take action from there on

if you are unhappy with my directives, pls use the helpdesk forum to lodge complain to the admins

Well, I do not really see the kopitiamness in it.

Anyway, I know where you are coming from. I am not naive.

It's ok.

JESUS CHRIST BEING THE ONE WHO WAS CRUCIFIED

In 1 Corinthians 2:2 Paul said, "For I did not determine to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and this One crucified." Then in 2 Corinthians 4:7-11, he said, “But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us. We are pressed on every side but not constricted; unable to find a way out but not utterly without a way out; persecuted but not abandoned; cast down but not destroyed; always bearing about in the body the putting to death of Jesus that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. For we who are alive are always being delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh."

From Paul’s word we see that a Christian’s center is Christ, the One who was crucified. Christ is the life, and the cross is the way. We have received not only Christ but also His cross; we have received not merely a life but also a way. We have received Christ as our life, and we have also received the cross as our way.

These two items, however, are often neglected in the church today. Christians preach Christ, telling people that Christ is the Savior and life of man, yet in their daily lives very few of them really experience Christ as life. Today many people in the church know and speak the truth of Christ being our life, but the experience of having Christ as life in their daily living is rare.

We really have to look to God that we may definitely know in our experience what it is to have Christ as our life and to know what is the cross of Christ. Today there are innumerable Christians all over the world, yet among them we can hardly find one whose living and work testify that he is living in the cross and that he is walking on the path of the cross.

Bible Devotions with UW

Righteousness is a Gift



Good Morning,

You are already RIGHTEOUS. Let this affirmation by the word of God seeps through your spirit and soul, today.

But How you may ask? You know that you're not perfect. Sometimes you hear voices of condemnation saying you've done this wrong or that wrong.
Even though you've repented of your sins, you find yourself doing wrong again in the next few days it's like an endless cycle.

Hear what the voice of God says.

Romans 3:
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Verse 21 means that it used to be that you are righteous by your conduct (law of God) but NOW no more. A New type of righteousness is revealed.
Verse 22 means The New type of Righteousness is credited to you by your Faith. See the word GIVEN to you NOT Earned through Faith in Christ Jesus.
Verse 23 Reaffirms that NOBODY is righteous by his own conduct, ALL HAVE SIN.
Verse 24 Reaffirms one more time, you are justified by God's Grace.

The Righteousness of God is given to you as a GIFT. You cannot earn it, neither can you work for it. IT'S a GIFT to be received by Faith in the Son of God.
Just like birthday gifts given to you on your birthday, you receive it freely from the people who loves you.
In the same manner how you receive your birthday gift, this Gift of Righteousness is given to you FREELY from God who Loves you dearly.

Why is this important? When you know that you ARE Righteous by Faith, the promises of God will flow freely unhindered to you Life.
Start Reading your Bible and start claiming the promises of God and STAND ON IT. Know that in every passages that attached God's promise for protection, providence, Grace, etc meant for the Righteous, you already qualify for those promises by Faith. You don't need to run to this Man of God or that anointed person for answered prayers. God stands by you even if you don't feel like it. No. The Bible is very clear and comforting. THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL LIVE BY FAITH! (Romans 1:17, Galatians 2:16), not by effort or works or even your obedience.

Your spiritual life will not be easily shaken and you won't be an easy target for the Devil when you know this truth that Sets you Free.

You ARE RIGHTEOUS by Faith. Amen?

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 16 2014, 11:24 AM

harloo bro & sis,

i wonder if your guys consider catholic as christian?

some christian said they are cult.

I grow up in Lutheran church and went to catholic churches too when it was convenient. because i think we are all believer of Jesus Christ.

Please enlighten me, I am not convince what I found online

It goes to the cult territory when they pray exclusively to Mother Mary and all the patron saints.

There are some 'reformed Catholic' churches that maintain the way of worship, but pray correctly to only Jesus.

I think what makes one a Christian is that He/She believes in Christ Jesus and what makes
one a Disciple of Christ is one who follows after Him, regardless of denomination.

I think we shouldn't be too hard on people. Religion is really a problem that causes one to have the wrong kind of fire. (Romans 10:1-3)

I mean if God is more than gracious about reconciliation with his children, regardless of who you are (2 Corinthians 5:19), who are we to say Catholics are not Christians?

I rather be innocent and gentle with regards to what is malicious in the body of Christ rather than to condemn. (1 Corinthians 14:20)

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 16 2014, 05:48 PM

dbl

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 16 2014, 05:44 PM

ic ic

however, i remember one of the catholic sermon i went to, the Paderi was saying praying to "Mother Mary and all the patron saints" is kinda medium, similar to the woman who touch Jesus' cloak for healing. just for info...

what about the 6 additional books they have in their bible ?