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post Jul 10 2014, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2014, 11:17 AM)
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Purify Yourself
How are you guys? Sorry it's been awhile since I've share anything.
Just want to share something that God spoke to me recently.

I want to bring you to this passage.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

Upon first time reading, it sounds like and looks like we are too purify ourselves. But wait a minute, I'm sure many time we have understood the gospel, God washes us and sanctifies us by the blood of his son. (Hebrews 13:12). His son obedience to the Father all the way to the cross has made us righteous. (Romans 5:19), not our obedience, so how is it that this time we are able to purify ourselves? There is a problem here. If we can purify ourselves, it defeats the purpose why Jesus has to come. Think about it.

It was for this main reason, (why) Jesus had to come to be our savior simply because we cannot save ourselves. We can never clean our sins away, no matter what we do hence the meaning purify from everything that contaminates the body and spirit in the context of 2 Corinthians 7:1. God gave us the OT, for about 1500 years, He let us have our way, which is righteousness by works to let us know, we can't. Even the best of the OT, David a Man after God own's heart could not. He Sinned with Bathsheba and few other incidents.
See the problem with this theological believe is that when we believe we are able to purify ourselves it can dangerously turn to works for justification and righteousness. I asked God for an answer and He led me to 1 John 3:3. Praise be our God for his faithfulness and consistency. If you read the whole context of 1 John 3, you will begin to understand it is by Faith you are sanctified made pure in the context of 1 John 3:3 which also apply to all other scripture verse that talks about purify yourself, keep your self, walk in the light, etc.

And to drive the message Home, consider the following scripture verses below, none of it talks about purification by works or of ourselves but always by faith by the blood or by the spirit of God.
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p.s: text mostly in NIV unless stated otherwise.
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Did you even read 2 Corinthians 6 before you actually do a commentary ar.

Guess not.

The Bathsheba incident is actually a pretty bad example because David was actually intentionally sinning. He thought he could actually got away with that. It's not really an example of working towards perfection. If you are stating that this is an example of David trying to achieve perfection by following the law, you are actually deluded.

I do not actually know how you can come into the conclusion that David was trying to gain righteousness by following the law. In fact, he was actually commanded once by Jesus for actually "breaking the old testament law".

" “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?”"

You see, David "broke the law" because he understood God purpose and he knows that by eating the consecrated bread, he could fulfil his mission(Thus God's will)

Of course I am going to expect that you are going to play blind like you always do.

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post Jul 10 2014, 04:06 PM

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well,...what im going to write may not have much to do with this thread , anyway because this so called friend( got to know him from another guy)of mine used to bring up the subject of bible study to me. lately i met him at the kopitiam and i told him im presently unemployed. he wa quick to say he will help me becaues he works in a large firm and tell me to send him my resumes. and later after about a months ,i called him and email my resume but he just didnt reply me at all. im a bit frustrated here because a guy who talks so much about bible study to me ,talks about Jesus to me and when it comes to asking help from him - he just not that "bible-savvy-person" i used to know. Why is it like that ?
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post Jul 10 2014, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(aiyah @ Jul 10 2014, 04:06 PM)
well,...what im going to write may not have much to do with this thread , anyway because this so called friend( got to know him from another guy)of mine used to bring up the subject of bible study to me.  lately i met him at the kopitiam and i told him im presently unemployed. he wa quick to say he will  help me becaues he works in a large firm and tell me to send him my resumes. and later after about a months ,i called him and email my resume but he just didnt reply me at all. im a bit frustrated here because a guy who talks so much about bible study to me ,talks about Jesus to me and when it comes to asking help from him - he just not that "bible-savvy-person" i used to know. Why is it like that ?
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Yeah I agree, He should keep you posted on what's going on, if no opening or no jobs, should just inform you anyway rather than keep you in the dark, I mean that's what I would do anyway.
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 10 2014, 02:26 PM)
How's thing with everyone biggrin.gif ?
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Good. You watch World Cup? Brazil vs Germany? laugh.gif

I didn't see.
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post Jul 10 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jul 10 2014, 03:10 PM)
Did you even read 2 Corinthians 6 before you actually do a commentary ar.

Guess not.

The Bathsheba incident is actually a pretty bad example because David was actually intentionally sinning. He thought he could actually got away with that. It's not really an example of working towards perfection. If you are stating that this is an example of David trying to achieve perfection by following the law, you are actually deluded.

I do not actually know how you can come into the conclusion that David was trying to gain righteousness by following the law. In fact, he was actually commanded once by Jesus for actually "breaking the old testament law".

" “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?”"

You see, David "broke the law" because he understood God purpose and he knows that by eating the consecrated bread, he could fulfil his mission(Thus God's will)

Of course I am going to expect that you are going to play blind like you always do.
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Semua so misintepresed I don't know where to start or how to explain.

It's not about eating the temple bread, it's murdering Uriah and making Bathsheba a widow to claim for himself.
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post Jul 10 2014, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 10 2014, 05:14 PM)
Semua so misintepresed I don't know where to start or how to explain.

It's not about eating the temple bread, it's murdering Uriah and making Bathsheba a widow to claim for himself.
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You obviously have a comprehension problem.

Why dun you reread what I wrote and then reply me again ok?

But then this is the state of Christianity today.

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post Jul 10 2014, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jul 10 2014, 05:23 PM)
You obviously have a comprehension problem.

Why dun you reread what I wrote and then reply me again ok?

But then this is the state of Christianity today.
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You know what's the beginning of a cult?
Believing everyone is wrong and they're right. Only them and the people who agree with them without question.

You come here and behave you're the only blessed righteous 10000000% attuned with God and only you exist in the entire world. With that attitude you wonder why people are ignoring you. From tak ignore also become ignore. Please think about it. If you still think you're right, please don't come buat kecoh in this thread.
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post Jul 10 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2014, 04:17 PM)
Good. You watch World Cup? Brazil vs Germany?  laugh.gif

I didn't see.
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Nah .... biggrin.gif

Most people miss it till the next day. They then replied, "I should have watch it".


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post Jul 10 2014, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 10 2014, 05:37 PM)
Nah .... biggrin.gif

Most people miss it till the next day. They then replied, "I should have watch it".
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I was awake and aduih. If brazil is like that, Malaysia should have entered.
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post Jul 10 2014, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 10 2014, 06:05 PM)
I was awake and aduih. If brazil is like that, Malaysia should have entered.
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i wanted to wake up and watch it but cannot get up at all despite i have 3 alarms ringing on my phone every 10 mins woke up at 6am only to found out that Brazil lost 1-7 to Germany sad.gif
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post Jul 11 2014, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 8 2014, 06:54 PM)
there is no church that teaching on prosperity, Joel Osteen and joseph Prince ministry does not teach about prosperity..............i wonder where you get the idea that this both ministry talk about prosperity all the time? sweat.gif
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ok thanks, i will find other way to get info

fyi: I think you have wrong impression about my post. My post is limited to finding a church, not discussing Joel Osteen / Joseph Prince teachings.

btw: why you wrote like this : i wonder where you get the idea that this both ministry talk about prosperity all the time? sweat.gif... this is your conclusion rite ? not mine hehehe :-)

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QUOTE(g r a p e k e y @ Jul 9 2014, 01:16 AM)
So you are looking for church leaders that encourage members to shower more $$ to him so that he'll pray to God to flow more $ to the members ah? lol

don't be blinded!
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I am not blind, and I am going to church but not "regular church goers". I have personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

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post Jul 11 2014, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 9 2014, 12:17 PM)
It's God's will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It's God's will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt.

Joel Osteen

God wants us to prosper financially, to have plenty of money, to fulfill the destiny He has laid out for us.

Joel Osteen

If you want to rear financial blessings, you have to sow financially.

Joel Osteen

You can be committed to Church but not committed to Christ, but you cannot be committed to Christ and not committed to church.

Joel Osteen

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Joel Osteen

Like Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen has some really great things to say. He is encouraging and the man is certainly happy. This should not be held against him.

The man is confused on theology. He has much of the same doctrinal misunderstandings as does Joyce Meyer. They come from the same tradition. His doctrine is difficult to discern for many because he won't talk about doctrine. He won't talk about theology. He quickly back pedals when asked hard questions, as seen here in an interview with Larry King.

In fairness, Joel published a letter of apology after this interview.

While I commend him for his humility and courage to publicly declare that he was wrong, this is just one of too many instances. He frequently misunderstands important matters of faith and doctrine when being interviewed. He repeatedly gets the Gospel wrong. And he does so when talking to millions.

If we take Joel at his word, our only conclusion is that he is either incapable or unwilling to understand and explain how the Gospel intersects with all of life.

We recently hosted Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible Answerman) at SMCC. He has some very helpful insights (here and here) into Joel Osteen's confused views of faith, doctrine and Scripture:

Joel Osteen and Prosperity Gospel

The Prosperity Gospel is much like all other religions in that it uses faith, it uses doing good things to leverage material blessings from God. Essentially, use God to get things from God.

"God has already done everything He's going to do. The ball is now in your court. If you want success, if you want wisdom, if you want to be prosperous and healthy, you're going to have to do more than meditate and believe; you must boldly declare words of faith and victory over yourself and your family" From Your Best Life Now, p.132

"If you are believing for your child to find God, go help somebody else's child to develop a relationship with God. If you're struggling financially, go out and help somebody who has less than you have ... f you want to reap financial blessings, you must sow financial seeds in the lives of others ... If you want to see healing and restoration come to your life, go out and help somebody else get well" From Your Best Life Now, pp. 224, 250-51

This is not the Gospel. This is a false Gospel. Joel teaches that we open ourselves to God to get more from God. He teaches that we use our words to speak into existence a better reality. This straight from the Word of Faith Movement. This is not what is taught throughout the New Testament. Consider what the Apostle Paul wrote. And remember that he wrote this while in prison.

Philippians 4:10-13 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pastor-rick-..._b_3790384.html
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ProphetJul,

You are right, your writings also correct, but I think my God, Jesus Christ, is NOT AGREEING with you in a lot of context.

Now malaysia need strong christian churches and people, and the basic factor is money and human resources. with money, you can fly a lot of intercessor teams from indonesia / overseas to pray, and lay hands, prayer circle on many orang asli houses, military brach, policy offices especially bukit aman, and many places, and also to curb / bind strongmans above military, military secret agents / unit khas, UMNO, pakatan rakyat, lawyers, lawmakers, and many faces that simply not 100% align with Christ perfect plans; last and not least, speak blessings to many leaders in malaysia from top level office / sultanese to local kings such as datuks / datins. Not to add that Christ is about to come for second time soon, so things does not act as catalyst for spreading the gospel / binding strong mans in malaysia are lesser priorities.

If you want to have demonstrate, i can ask pray or ask my team to pray that you or your team cannot login / reply to my thread and posting anything that does not constitute JESUS CHRIST perfect will. wanna start the demonstration ? let me know

in the mean time, BACK OFF AND STOP WRITING anything that hinder malaysia for Jesus.




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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 11 2014, 11:47 AM)
ProphetJul,

You are right, your writings also correct, but I think my God, Jesus Christ, is NOT AGREEING with you in a lot of context.

Now malaysia need strong christian churches and people, and the basic factor is money and human resources. with money, you can fly a lot of intercessor teams from indonesia / overseas to pray, and lay hands, prayer circle on many orang asli houses, military brach, policy offices especially bukit aman, and many places, and also to curb / bind strongmans above military, military secret agents / unit khas, UMNO, pakatan rakyat, lawyers, lawmakers, and many faces that simply not 100% align with Christ perfect plans; last and not least, speak blessings to many leaders in malaysia from top level office / sultanese to local kings such as datuks / datins. Not to add that Christ is about to come for second time soon, so things does not act as catalyst for spreading the gospel / binding strong mans in malaysia are lesser priorities.

If you want to have demonstrate, i can ask pray or ask my team to pray that you or your team cannot login / reply to my thread and posting anything that does not constitute JESUS CHRIST perfect will. wanna start the demonstration ? let me know

in the mean time, BACK OFF AND STOP WRITING anything that hinder malaysia for Jesus.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 10 2014, 05:28 PM)
You know what's the beginning of a cult?
Believing everyone is wrong and they're right. Only them and the people who agree with them without question.

You come here and behave you're the only blessed righteous 10000000% attuned with God and only you exist in the entire world. With that attitude you wonder why people are ignoring you. From tak ignore also become ignore. Please think about it. If you still think you're right, please don't come buat kecoh in this thread.
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I think a cult is also a group of people that ignores key passages.

As I said earlier, come back to me after you have read my post properly. It's not too difficult. Only a few sentences.

BTW, I do not really care if those 2 people ignore me. The fact that you actually took pehkey seriously even after I have exposed him a few posts ago shows that you are the one who should watch out because it seems that you are taking Christianity too seriously.

You see friend. You are more likely to be the one who is expressing cult like behavior here because you seem to have an obvious bias to other people's teaching and seem to defend other people no matter how wrong they are.

BTW, someone above was actually pretty much experssing cult like behavior and yet you are not exposing him.

Do you also belong to one of the cults?

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 11 2014, 12:07 PM)
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I havent start pray / asking God anyway...


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Eh? You exposed me in what?

You haven't even replied on the first post.

Neither can you justify your last stand on the parable of the ten virgins...

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post Jul 11 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 11 2014, 12:49 PM)
Eh? You exposed me in what?

You haven't even replied on the first post.

Neither can you justify your last stand on the parable of the ten virgins...

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oh. Another twisting again.

I see that you are replying after such a long time.

It's ok. Debating with you would be a waste of time anyway.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jul 11 2014, 03:12 PM)
oh. Another twisting again.

I see that you are replying after such a long time.

It's ok. Debating with you would be a waste of time anyway.
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Er... I am always posting in this thread. Not sure what are you talking about the long time.

Hoho ... I am standing here with nothing to hide. biggrin.gif

Here is your statement (How can I twist this? huh?)

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=68846468




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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 11 2014, 04:15 PM)
Er... I am always posting in this thread. Not sure what are you talking about the long time.

Hoho ... I am standing here with nothing to hide. biggrin.gif

Here is your statement (How can I twist this? huh?)

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=68846468
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Dear brother pehkay, i don't understand why people like to judge even on just words we posted? and i think the Jesus warned us before to his disciple right before his crucifixion, the Lord Jesus say, many will claim that they come in my name...........beware of them

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