Just curious. What do you guys think about psychiatry.
Thanks

in what term?

Do you think psychiatry is anti christian.

Just curious. What do you guys think about psychiatry.
Thanks

Erm .... it is just to treat the soul. Though historically, it has its issues and controversy. I think it is the same with Psychology though psychiatry deals more with mental disorder.
Well, .... it's good to know that you are a tripartite man (spirit, soul and body). Even if a Christian is strong in his/her spirit, a problem in their soul (psychologically) will still override any benefits in their experience of Christ. All three parts of our being needs to be proper and functioning (c.f. 1 Thes. 5:23) to be useful to the Lord and also to pursue Him.

We should not try to spiritualize things. If we have problems like depression or psychological problems, please, seek medical expertise. Because Satan will use the severely damaged and fallen soul to contemplate suicide (for example). No matter, how high or how deep your experience of Christ in your spirit, if the soul or the body is destroyed, your Christian life ends there.

Once their soul (psychology) is "treated", then the experience of the Lord's grace and the prayers of the believers (in the spirit) is needed to overcome the problem.

Bible Devotions with UW

How do you live the New Life?
I want to address to Christians who are struggling to live the new life that Christ has given you.

Sometimes in the course of our lives, we may slip here and there, falling short of the mark, God has set. You feel there's a distance from God, you feel condemn.
And sometimes Preachers enforce, you MUST do this and that and this, You MUST REPENT!, YOU MUST CONFESS, YOU MUST LOVE GOD, followup with a message of condemnation.
GOD WILL JUDGE every action and every words. They meant well but the focus is wrong because it hinges on the believer.

What does the Bible say?

Hebrews 12:2  - Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.........
1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 - May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it.

WHO IS the author and the finisher of our Faith? Jesus. WHO IS the one who sanctify us and keep our spirit, soul and body blameless? WHO WILL DO IT? Jesus.
Look at the 2 verses above. Anywhere in there, that says we are the one who need to exert the work to make ourselves righteous, living the new life? No.

Let me begin by saying the new life doesn't come through exerted will power of our own. It will only Fail if you do through that. (Romans 7:19)
"I must not sin, I must not sin, I must not sin, etc" It doesn't work through the flesh.

Consider these 2 chapters
Ephesians 4: 21-24
21 when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Colossians 3: 1-10
1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. 5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.b 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being [B]renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator[/B].

So here is the revelation. The new life comes through the change of mind. (Knowledge) Question. change of what mind? Answer: the knowledge in the image of it's creator (Colossians 3:10)
What do you mean? What is the knowledge in the image of it's creator? Answer: to Know that you are now in Christ. The more you see yourself in Christ, that Christ has removed your sins, made you whole, made you new, washed you, sanctified you, cleansed you and be convinced in the mind, YOU WILL CHANGE.

I'll leave you with this last verse for the day.

Romans 12:2 (KJV) - King James Bible
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I pray that this will help you in your spiritual life.

God Bless.

Then those people commit suicide macam mana?

Is this asking about salvation again?

Whoah I think you just need to step back a bit and stand on my shoe

Seriously, I don't know you or any of your stance. I just shared my opinion. This is just my opinion and not the group here [though why do you need to see if you are suitable here?? Are you a Christian? ]

Also, IMHO, your stance might have cause you assume that I made statement that I DO NOT make

Firstly, I did not say "feel that the bible itself is not able to treat the soul". There are quite a few verses, especially, the Spirit giving life to our mind and renews them.  But the condition requires as in Romans 8, to set our mind on the spirit. If our mind is in a bad condition, there is no need to say how one can experience the Spirit's life.

I know of some of controversy in psychiatric like you mentioned. I think we can make some judgement not to go for electrical shock. On the other extreme, if there is a real need for some treatment, we should not superstitiously say it is not Biblical or something.

But on the other hand, I also know those who benefited from the medication because he or she suffers from schizophrenia. Then he/she is "sober" enough to continue to experience the Lord.

Also, I didn't say that psychiatry books are more important than the Bible.  Personally, if you read my sharing from the Gospel of John, you will see the self-help books in general are useless.

Lastly, this thread is about sharing on the experiences of Christ for the building up of the church. It is not about psychiatry or a collection of like-minded people

Our spirit cannot be sick . That is the only place Satan cannot touch.

Our soul is another story. Since the fall, it is in terrible shape

I think the answer whether I am a Christian or not is pretty obvious.
And just because I am a Christian that does not mean that I need to take part in a forum just because it claims to be a Christian. (PS I think you are pretty much insulting me because you are claiming that I am not a christian even though from my post so far, it is pretty obvious that I am one. You would most likely deny this but then I know you are doing that because there is no reason for you to make that statement that you make.  Can you stop doing this because this is a Christian forum?)

I think as Christian if we cannot even agree on the most basic things, then whatever encouragement that you give to me will look to be shallow. Sorry to say this. That is why I need to see what the majority of the people think about this. Not just you. Because I am pretty sure that there are many others who would not have the same view as you but the thing is that if generally we are not agreeable in most things, I think the fellowship is pretty much useless.

I have already proven to you that psychiatry actually advocates electric shock treatment. If psychiatry was not dangerous, it would not have advocate this kind of treatment. The fact that you are not willing to investigate psychiatry on whether it is dangerous even though it advocates something dangerous, shows that you are not willing to accept whether psychiatry is dangerous.

Your assumption is that psychiatry will make a person's mind sober enough. Have you actually studied psychiatry enough to know this. Because my understanding is that for Schizhophrenia treatment, what the medication does is that it slows down neuron transmission. In other words, the person appear to be less agitated but in actual fact, he becomes less sensitive. He may appear sober, but he would not be able to understand what the pastors or even what his brothers and sisters are saying from a basic intellectual level much more a spiritual level.

I think you are saying that not following psychiatry is superstitious because psychiatry happens to be in the mainstream. I think saying that something is acceptable without FINDING OUT whether it is acceptable is superstitious. Dun you think so?

I never said that psychiatry is the main discussion topic. I am just using this topic to evaluate whether this forum is suitable for me. Because to me, if you are preaching Christianity but yet at the same time accept mainstream as the truth and do not QUESTION them, then to me, this is not real Christianity. Because I think we are supposed to be the light of the world and if we are not even willing to speak against lies but are even willing to accept those lies in the first place, then to me, the foundation is not firm in the first place and I think it will collapse over time.

No lah, ini spirit sick or soul sick.

But then again Catholics believe that is the surest way to go to hell. Then again, catholics got a lot of stuff wrong.

Seriously  I really think you need to reread what I post. I did not accuse you of anything.
Erm ... fellowship is the flow of the divine life. It is not to be agreeable. I meant, if you meet a vegetarian brother, we don't condemn him of his weak faith, but continue to fellowship with him. Unless it is sinful, divisive or worldly.
Then, don't go for psychiatry then. 
Again, I did not say that that not following psychiatry is superstitious. Whoah, it is really hard when you are making statements like this. I don't even know what you meant by mainstream? Whether one make a decision to get some help from psychological consultation is between him and the Lord and finding OUT whether it entails ... Really, you are putting words that I do not say.
Who say about one NOT making an informed decision?  <Sigh> Christianity is neither about NOT accepting mainstream as truth or question them ... bro, it is about God's purpose and the revelation of Himself. Once we see this, we will see the the world is against it.

Anyway, I am done responding on this.

Cheers!

It is actually the fastest way to hell for unbelievers. Then again, it is extremely RARE for one who touch his spirit when he/she believe in the Lord to. A strong salvation usually has a good foundation even if ones backslides.

Hypothetically, if he is saved [really touch the Lord, receive Him into him AND NOT A INHERITED/FAMILY RELIGION and commit suicide], he is still saved but DEFINITELY not a mature Christian. He will be punished dispensationally in the millennium.
LOL, still have to response to your salvation question ... my bad, sis.

If someone is punished, it means that this person still has sins. When a person has died in his sins, he is basically condemned.

A true Christian will still enter into heaven even though he has committed suicide. He may not be rewarded as much though but he will still enter heaven. Basically all his sins are forgiven and so there is nothing to be punished

Incredible. This is really getting to be an eyeopener