hi everyone. im new here. this group is around the KV area no? Was wondering if there's a watsapp group and do you all get together every now and then for events and stuff? I would be quite interested to join if there is.

Hope this testimony is beneficial .... it is certainly for me.

...I can also tell you another story, that at a certain hour of a certain day in a certain month and certain year, God opened my eyes to see that Christ is my healing. This is something that cannot be repeated; it is something that cannot be quantified. Once is enough. It is not a thing that can be counted. It is a person, a personified healing. My healing is a person who is in me as my healing all the time. Praise the Lord that this is a fact. Having God heal me and having Him as my healing are two entirely different things. One is a thing; the other is a person.

Paul was not healed, but he received the healing. Can we see the difference between these two? Paul showed in 2 Corinthians 12 that he was not healed (v. 9). He did not receive the thing which we call healing. But with Paul, we see One who was his healing continually. His weakness remained with him, but his healing also remained with him. His weakness was chronic, but his healing was abiding. What is a healing? To us, a healing is the removal of something. No, healing is not a removal; healing is acquiring something. Healing is not the removal of weakness but the presence of strength.

When I first saw this matter, the light came very slowly because my mind was filled with things; everything around me was a thing. I did not realize that the Lord wanted to be my thing, and I did not know that healing was not a thing. I only knew that the Lord promised me something; I did not know that the Lord wanted to be my healing. I only knew about the Lord’s promise; I did not know about the Lord as my healing. One day I read Paul’s story in 2 Corinthians. It was very strange to me. It would have been an easy thing for the Lord to grant him the healing. Removing the thorn was as easy for the Lord as a doctor removing germs. But why did the Lord not heal Paul? I prayed about this, and while I was praying, the Lord showed me one thing. In 1923 Brother Weigh invited me to preach at a certain place. In order to get there, I had to take a little boat along the Min River. The boats often became stuck to the riverbed because the water was too shallow and the rocks were big. The boat owner often had to tug the boat along. While I was praying, this scene suddenly appeared in my mind. I said, "God, it would be easy for You to remove the rocks. Would it not be wonderful if You removed the rocks, and the boat floated on the water instead?" I read 2 Corinthians 12 and realized that this was exactly how Paul prayed. The water was too shallow, and the rocks were exposed conspicuously; Paul prayed that God would remove the rocks so that he could sail on the water once again. But God answered by saying that He would not remove the rocks. Instead, He caused the water level to rise. When the water rises, the boat can pass over the rocks. This is what God is doing. Our problem and our prayer are that we are only for a thing—healing. But His answer is for Him to be our healing. When He is present, we can glide over our problems. Paul’s weakness was still there; he did not use his own strength to fight it. If he fought with his own strength, he could only say that his own strength had tabernacled over him. But it was the power of Christ which tabernacled over him (v. 9). It was God who was working. There is a basic difference here. One is God giving me a thing, and the other is God Himself becoming my thing. God in me becomes the thing that I need. God Himself is that very thing.

(Watchman Nee)

Hi

Now only I know there is Christian fellowship in lowyat forum.

May God always be with you all

From the rising of the sun to the place where it sets, the name of the LORD is to be praised.
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Welcome.

Are you a pastor in this thread only or in reality too ?

Good to know you.

I'm from EMC , PJ.

oh no, I'm not a pastor.....yet. Though it did cross my mind.

Apologies to spacelion in advance, I'm not humiliating you. I feel that this is a very important topic to learn.

Mintak tolong Unknown warrior clarify it to other folks here. Is this the case of hand telling the foot that it's useless? I personally don't agree that money is useless considering my history. My old church practically couldn't support itself from the lack of funds. Sampai pastor almost cannot buy his food.

Is the true problem the reverse? Money is fuel, workers are the engines. Fuel without engine is no point, engine without fuel also cannot jalan. I have the impression that there's not enough fuel in some parts, too much fuel in others.

Any nice churches in Klang with a nice park opened to public to just sit and think?

hello fren

mods moved us to Serious /k just 2 wks back.

please give more detail on sit and think?

You mean this verse?

1 Corinthians 12:21 - the eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!"

In a way yes. Different believers are given different gifting and everyone is equally important to build the Church up and impact the nation.

Even giving is a gift. Not everyone can give. So every believer has their own role to play, in this sense, nobody is left out.

A nice quiet and inspiring place to just sit and think about life Some sort like those monasteries/ashrams up in the mountains for a short religious getaway to find inspiration.

hey guys, sorry if this is rather off topic
but can any of you recommend charities (preferable christian charities/missionaries) with very low administrative charges (cost of paying their staff salaries/support service/advertisements etc)

i looked at http://www.malaysiancare.org/
but their administrative charges are quite high when i looked at their financial report.

thanks in advance

But is your pastor the charity ? You are there to meet his needs, and then allocate the church funds to doing stuff. Not host extravagant parties and fund raising events that mirror what a secular charity would do.

I'm not going to judge your pastor based on his actions, but if he was that poor maybe he could have taken a job instead of trying to rely on the church to feed him. But hey, like I said, time is precious and most people are unwilling to sacrifice time to help others or oneself.

This post has been edited by spacelion: Jun 18 2014, 09:48 AM

Are you a Christian, bro?

Yes. Although I dont see the reasoning as to why you would question one's faith in this. What I said is applicable to almost every religion out there, people are too obsessed with giving money instead of time.

This post has been edited by spacelion: Jun 18 2014, 12:11 PM

Agree with him that, giving, is based on own willingness. And most important, its a gift between you and God

Well, in today's world, ppl thinking that "giving money" = doing God's work.
What I can say, Yes, we do give, but He will be more happy if we spend more time with Him. When we spend more time with Him, His works, glorify His name, we ourselves able to smile from the bottom of our heart.

As long you are a Godly man, man of faith with love and hope. that shall be the ultimate success in your life.