how can i explain cell phone to primitive people ? sorry to say after 70 post with UW no matter i do i can't explain power to ... primitive people.

You are beautifully created in GOD's image... but still primitive.

I will pray to my heavenly father that HE will deal with you according to HIS grace about how much damage you have done here.

my second question on that article?

HI Bro, allow me to answer freely ok

Conditioning of Malaysia today, imho we need you to be filled outwardly in the Spirit of Power. it is abnormal to experience it occasionally ? any example ? smith wigglesworth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Wigglesworth

why abnormal ? cuz malaysia is so desperate condition today.

remember sophiera case we discuss during PM ? how to break free... how to help people to break free ? power.

There are 3 speak in tongue that i recalled:
1. your case aka speak in russian.
2. speak mumbling / gibbersih / something but somebody translate for the church.
3. speak like paul when he say i speak tongues more than all of you. Paul probably russian, prbably oso gibberish ... i don't know

i can't give the bible but i assume you know what i mean lah bro

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which one jospeh prince mostly talked about ? no 3.....
which speak of tongue build to be like smith wigglesworth ? .... no 3.
which one can help sophiera case ? ... no 3.


thanks for giving me time to answer u freeley

Mr Steve.

Sorry for stupid question. Did you trust me and UW ? ... in short, both me and UW don't recommend you to read that article... nor to trust it... nor to buy their opinion...

but trust me on this. legal and relationship perspective. I already put in post 2588...

I believe a person can fall away from grace when Only IF He rejects Christ as the messiah on purpose, that is the same effect as going back to the Law (Galatians 5:4 & Hebrews 10:26).

Rejecting purposely and willingly.

Then he condemns himself to eternal judgement.

But the main crust of the Gospel is never that.

God doesn't want that, else why would he sent His only begotten Son.

This is the thing I always emphasize.

But I also believe this, if that believer has fallen away as in backslided but still faintly believe that Jesus is his messiah, I believe God can still bring him back. But even if he passed on, this is something me and pehkay believes in, the person is saved but it's less rewarding for Him on Judgement day compared to other brethren.

Pehkay takes it one step further in believing He will be punished to be changed. I don't subscribe to that because for me that is not biblical.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 09:38 AM

I appreciate your advice and friendship but i would choose to trust the bible more

so you also believe in just initial salvation only and not initial salvation + progressive salvation + final salvation?

Bro, everybody is free and entitled to their opinion. We cannot forced anyone to bend to what I or you believe in.
Let them read the Bible & believe in that and Let God have his way and He will unite his children in his own time and will.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 09:42 AM

What are your thoughts?

At least the context of the chapter, to sin willfully here means to abandon one's own assembling together with the church (v25). The Hebrew believers had been instructed to abandon Judaism and remain under the new covenant. If they had still returned to Judaism, they would have abandoned their own assembling with the church. This would have constituted a willful sin in the eyes of God, in that it would have been committed after they had received the knowledge of the truth, after they had come to know that God had abandoned Judaism, which was formed according to the old covenant, and had initiated the new and living way of contacting God according to the new covenant.

A very classic arminianism article

I need to apologize to you and the rest of the Christians in here for the long rebuttal between myself and mr jul.

This is an old rivalry matter.

The thing is, If every Christians is like you, asking my opinion why I believe in such and such and even if you don't accept my explanation, and the conversation stops there, I'm totally fine with that because I believe every Christians is entitled to their own opinion.

After all this Christian Fellowship thread is suppose to be based like that. I wished there are more Christians like yourself, we have a lot more peaceful fellowship.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2014, 09:54 AM

arminianism ? sound cim

Yeah we can just do our part to share our own conviction and at the same time be open minded to listen to what other people's conviction are. And then compare and examine with the bible (Acts 17:11) to see if is true if in doubt. Yeah at the end of the day, we can't force another person to develop the same convictions. Perhaps certain people need own time to digest the thoughts. But even if that person is totally close minded, we also can't do anything but at least we have done our part.

Actually I realize that not all 'argument' is 'bad' here. The bad I would say are those keep counter-attack type. Some 'argument' is healthy imo. Stir up my thoughts to think about certain things and I realize and learn couple of stuff here too myself.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Oct 22 2014, 10:03 AM

Eh? You are not sure of what it is ?

You know John Wesley? Perhaps the clearest and boldest proponent of the Arminian view is John Wesley. An ardent foe of Calvinism, Wesley split with George Whitefield mainly over the issue of predestination.

Concerning the perseverance of the saints, Wesley asserts:

If a believer make shipwreck of the faith, he is no longer
a child of God. And then he may go to hell, yea, and certainly will, if he continues in unbelief….He who is a child
of God to-day, may be a child of the devil to-morrow.
(Wesley 297-298)

The founder of this view, Jacob Arminius is notable for his gentle approach even to controversy. Concerning the perseverance of the saints, he says honestly,

Though I here openly and ingenuously affirm, I never
taught that a true believer can either totally or finally fall
away from the faith, and perish; yet I will not conceal,
that there are passages of Scripture which seem to me to
wear this aspect; and those answers to them which I have
been permitted to see, are not of such a kind as to
approve themselves on all points to my understanding.
On the other hand, certain passages are produced for the
contrary doctrine [of unconditional perseverance] which
are worthy of much consideration.

Ya I heard of John Westley. He is the only who start Methodist church ma, right? I studied in that school last time in KL.

Pretty strong words from him le.

to be accurate it was George Whitefield who founded the Methodist church, John Wesley laid down the foundation, he was an Anglicans till his death.

Yup. He is the founder of the Methodist. Indeed it was strong words.

This is why he contributed or recovered the truth on sanctification.

He was profoundly influenced by the mystics of Madame Guyon and William Law to further recover the truth concerning sanctification, realizing a man is not only justified by faith, but also sanctified by faith.

John Wesley thought that sanctification was sinless perfection by methods. So, this is where the label Methodist came from.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 22 2014, 10:48 AM

Thanks for the appreciatioon ... i just wanna people be maximal in Christ... anyway to answer ur question:

i think i can assume what is initial salvation. is that OSAS ? I am a believer of OSAS Version DE1929... not OSAS... OSAS version DE1919 is like below

For people that believe OSAS, and never bother about bible, truth, relationship, etc... their house in heaven is ugly. their reward is 0.
For people that believe OSAS and have a loving heart to Jesus... their house is heaven is big, luxurious, and their reward is maximal.

what is loving heart to Jesus ? it's a long story. I assume you already know what is loving heart to Jesus.

some people simplify 0 reward as lost of salvation. Actually no. Lost salvation meaning go to hell, 0 reward mean go to heaven. But now you know the depth of 0 reward right

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i do not know progressive salvation + final salvation in your context. Perhaps you can help me what your thinking and i will try to help.. or at least UW always can help.

ah OOT little bit... just to disclose that De_Luffy is a brother ... i almost kena lambast by himself... piz broo...

just because i put anime pics on my profile does not means i am a girl, wondered where your mind goes to, this is kopitiam anything can be false though serious but still kopitiam lowyat.net exist to cater many type of fans

Right on.

Repentance is an act of faith, a response of a sinner before a Holy God.