Lets see

Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. 2 And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, b“This man receives sinners and eats with them.”


WE can see the type of people who make up the audience

None taken actually.

It's true that I don't practice tongue speaking but to be filled outwardly in the Spirit for power, yes, I occasionally experience this; Only when one day you see me speaking in Russian while being clothed with the Spirit, then you know I speak in tongue

Regarding your point, one is watered within by the flowing river of water of the life [Spirit] is when one is experiences the the Spirit in the word [pneuma]. Yet, this is subject to one's seeing of the inward revelation and his or her growth in life. In other words, I am "watered" and filled within when I saw the matter of the Jacob's experiences when presented to me. To others, it is just mere doctrine.

So, what touches you depends on your stage of the experience of life.

It is also not that I don't pray for physical things like housing, shelter .... but one day you will come to realize, asking all these things, what is it for? For your need? What is a place of stay for? How is finding a place to stay can correspond to what God wants to gain?

If is for your need. It's ok. We can tell the Lord that is what I need. I need this for myself. That is where our experience is. It's is OK We are different only when we are different. Otherwise it is hypocrisy.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 21 2014, 10:48 PM

I believe his message is based on Romans 8


26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

This is trilogy of "Lost" parables, namely the lost coin, lost sheep and lost(prodigal) son

To understand the significance of the opening statement in chapter 15, we must consider that the Jewish culture is a shame/honor-driven society that used shame/honor in a way that developed a sort of caste system, not unlike the Chinese. Virtually everything that is done in Jewish culture brings either shame or honor. The primary motivation for what and how things are done is based on seeking honor for oneself and avoiding shame. This was the central and all-consuming preoccupation of all Jewish interaction.
AND the teachers of the Law were exceedingly concerned with their outward prsentation and the notion that they were righteous creatures

Romans 8 does not necessitate the use of spiritual tongues. It can easily be the tongues of men.

However, Prince has shown himself to be a teacher wanting in exegesis. Acts 2 was clearly language of MEN.

The subject of repentance is on the coin and lost sheep.

But who is the Hero of the whole Parable?

Let me see.

1. God is the one who search
2. God is the one who left behind the 99
3. God is the one who found the lost one
4. God is the one who carried the lost one on the shoulder
5. God is the one who calls the neighbours and friends and ask them to rejoice with him (throw a party)


In all these what did the lost sheep or lost coin do in repentance?

All they did was to be consented to be found and to be carried by God. Let Him be the Saviour.

God is a gentleman, If you reject Him, He will oblige but if you consent for Him to carry you, He will.

Salvation is all about what God did as expounded by these 2 parables! And you think it's really about your obedience and your repentance that gives you Salvation?

God gave you Salvation because He is good! not because we are. What makes you think your obedience or repentance warrants it?

In these two parables, that of the lost coin and sheep, for the coin to be lost and sheep likewise is a shameful thing.

The 10 coins is a jewellery piece worn by brides. To lose this is a shameful event. While a shepherd losing a sheep is not good.

The teachers think themselves as righteous peoples while the sinners were unrighteous before God. So they thought. Jesus was turning His listeners’ understanding of things upside down. The Pharisees saw themselves as being the beloved of God and the “sinners” as refuse. Jesus uses the Pharisees’ prejudices against them, while encouraging the sinners with one clear message. That message is this: God has a tender, personal concern (“and when he finds it, he puts it on his shoulders,” v. 5). God has a joyous love for individuals who are lost (in sin) and are found (repent). Jesus makes it clear that the Pharisees, who thought they were close to God, were actually distant and those sinners and tax collectors were the ones God was seeking after.

Which He explain why; sometime we can pray the wrong prayer with underlying selfish motive in tongues of Man.

Praying in the Spirit is better because as in that verse explains, the Spirit prays according to the Will of God. And God listens according to his will.

That is the context.

This type of mis reading and interpretation oft gets you into trouble.

No way did i ever say obedience and repentance GIVES salvation. Its a RESPONSE before a HOLY GOD.

Likewise how do you its a tongue from the Spirit of God?

i have heard people mumbling the same stuff week in week out.

And how does praying in the Spirit a KEY to a Spirit led life? Prince has lots of reasoning(one of whcih is fundamentally wrong as pointed out)
including non biblical ones. In no way has he demonstrated from scriptures that tongues is a key.

What makes you think I'm not for repentance? Seriously in all my days in this forum?

Have you ever seen me encouraging people to sin?

Is your paranoia that gives me trouble not my interpretation.

wow you guys are determine

What did I just post Romans 8:26-27 for?

What makes me think?



Did i ever accuse of encouraging people to sin? See what i meant bout misread and mis interpret?

As in answering which part?

Spirit led life? I dont see that as key.

That's because you have problem acknowledging the answer to this question.

If Jesus Christ has cleansed the believer of all unrighteousness and sin, what does that makes him? Still a sinner?

You can't even open your mouth to say it.

So are you or are you not for confessing and repenting?

What makes a sinner, a sinner?

Unless you're telling me prayer is not important and isn't one of the key to a spirit filled life. Seriously!

Just answer my question and I'll tell you.

you refuse to answer, we'll go into another merry go round. Simple.

Didnt say prayer was not important.

Unless you cant get the jive after all i have written,

i dont believe that praying IN TONGUES is key to a Spirit led life.

You do have a way of mis interpreting ,,,,,,,,,,really. You tend to lend extended presumptions to what i wrote lots more than you should.