If you read the verses carefully.

Nope.
When the Canaan Woman says that she was a dog, Jesus did not exactly correct her to say that she wrong. Jesus did not tell her that she was same as the Jews. Jesus only praised her for her beliefs.

The fact is that Jesus concur with her that indeed from a race perspective, yes she was inferior compared to the Jews. She acknowledge that she was inferior to the Jews. She acknowledged that she was only eating the scraps left by the Israel. She acknowledged that she was not the main focus.

Similarly the passage in Romans also showed really clearly that we are eating the leftovers from the Jews. It's because the natural branches were cut off that we were given the opportunity to be grafted in. This language should have given you the idea that no, the focus is not on us. It's on Israel.

Spiritually we are equal. But then from a national basis, the Jews as a whole have been the focus. That's not really hard to imagine.

Israel is not really a tiny insignificant nation if you think seriously about it.

The whole old testament talks about God dealings with Israel. Even Paul defends Israel saying that God never abaddoned His promises with Israel.

God spent so much effort with Israel. How can you say that it's insignificant, I really cannot understand how you can even conclude that Israel is insignificant in view of the scriptures I provided.

(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2014, 10:38 PM)
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
But spiritually we are all equal. Gal 6 says so.

However, Israel is special because God used this tiny insignificant nation to birth forth His Messianic purposes in His redemption plan of creation.
From Abraham right up to Armageddon

Vs 15 was referring to all believers.
But as I shown you. Vs 16 is not.

Paul would not have use them if he was referring to all believers.
He would have referred to us.

How can you read vs 15 and vs 16 and then make the assumption that vs 16 was referring to all believers?

Verse 12-13 was obviously referring to the opinion of the circumcised(The Jews). They feel that the gentiles should be circumcised.

Verse 14(KJV) says that Paul who is circumcised feels that those who are both Jews and Gentiles believers are brothers in Christ and there is no need for circumcision.

Verse 15 forms his theological basis

Verse 16 Paul praises those who are of verse 15.(Peace) He was asking for mercy for Israel in general because there are circumcised people within Israel who feels the need to force the gentiles into circumcision.

The promises and covenants to Israel are not only spiritual. They are also physical.
Ezekiel 20 talks about the gathering of all of the Israelites back into the land. Obviously as mentioned earlier, the Kingdom that Jesus set up will not just be based in Jerusalem. It will have a very Jewish flavour. It's not "international" as what you are trying to imply.

In fact reading Zechariah 12 as you told me to do so should already have given you a clue the amount of attention and protection that God shower towards Israel.

1 Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.

12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [1] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God," and in the New International Version's "even to the Israel of God." It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, as Marvin Vicent says, "The ὅσοι ['as many as'] will refer to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, and forming the true messianic community." (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180). So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, if it is not misunderstood. In any case, it seems clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase "as many as shall walk by this rule" (the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/gal6-16.html

Yes I agree. The thing is the church leaders got to right to demand where you went and why you haven't been attending cg. Yeah, one time when my friend didn't attend cg for 2 weeks because he had exam preparations the cg leader told us not to talk to him during hte cg meeting.

But when it came to asking them why the hospitality levels are not there, why is there is click circle of leaders while other people are left out? I kena lambasted by stupid leader saying that this is not a social club. WTH

The bible study at my church is minimal. They just randomly choose Romans or something like that, then have a class every sunday for 4 weeks. What kind of bible study is that? I signed up for one of the best bible studies in the world. Currently attending every week. The materials are excellent.

I think this thread has the longest writing in the entire forum..

I already have a bible study. Mine is an international one.

Once a week I attend with 500 other people. Well mostly old men.

err, i had that bible study before with a colleague.

then i accidentaly shared my complains about the big boss. You know what? He told the big boss about what i said, and then he got a promotion.

Look at the rule that Paul is referring to. What rule is this?

The rule is in vs 14. Boasting.... THAT is the rule.
If that is the rule, then the continuity of the sentence tells us that those who walk according to this rule ie ALL new creatures, peace be upon them and upon the Israel of God which encompasses ALL creatures.

A good read here on the subject on the language use.
Please do not be mistaken that i dont take Israel seriously. Far from that. In fact i have been serving in a Hebraic centered conference and promoting the Jewish Jesus.   

But one has to decipher what is and is not Jewish.  Rather i would put is what is God and not of God.

ALL traditions of  Israel is instituted by God as far as scripture goes by.
International means ALL nations of different colours and creeds.

Why is God doing this?  Not because Israel is important but

Deut 7

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

err, i had that bible study before with a colleague.

then i accidentaly shared my complains about the big boss. You know what? He told the big boss about what i said, and then he got a promotion.

friend, if you are to pray for the cg member next to you, you have to know him better. Right?

We all know Jesus is a compassionate Lord. Recall the miracle of 5 fish and 2 loaves? Jesus and his apostles were in a desolate area but thousands of people came to see them. The apostles wanted to shoo them away because they had no food to feed them. But Jesus showed concern for them, he decided to take whatever food they had and miraculously fed thousands of people.

If you have no heart for the brother/sister next to you in cell group, how in the world you can have heart and love for Jesus?

Just as the so-called brother who tell me off that cg is not a social club, just shows our hardened his heart was. I see zero kindness and compassion in him. He thinks he has Jesus love, but when he can misunderstand my statement to think that i came to cg to social social, I see no Jesus love in him just his own eg. But my assertion is as God's children why can't we be nice to each other.

Well look into this more carefully.

Anyway, just to let you know. I do not really trust the NIV.

Which version/translation you trust? Why don't trust NIV?

he thinks he is. He comes from a wierd church in Kajang where they don't believe in having a pastor, everyone in the church will come up front and preach for 10 minutes.

KJV or Geneva bible version

Well. Some of the translations are actually wrong.

oh KJV. Why you prefer KJV?

I have learn more about choosing a good translation from this book (Chapter 2). I will quote some content from the author here:

The sixty-six books of the Protestant Bible were originally written
in three different languages: Hebrew (most of the Old Testament),
Aramaic (a sister language to Hebrew used in half of Daniel and two
passages in Ezra), and Greek (all of the New Testament). We assume
that most of the readers of this book do not know these languages.
That means, therefore, that for you the basic tool for reading and
studying the Bible is a good English translation, or, as will be argued
in this chapter, several good English translations.

To read the whole chapter , here is the link - http://stockholmlife.se/wp-content/uploads...d_The_Bible.pdf

Yes, thats what I am looking for. I didn't say I was looking for social club, I was looking for my family!

I don't see anywhere wrong in opening some hospitality.

It goes a long way to foster stronger ties and grow matured christians.

Like the youth cell I attended when youth in cheras, it was big about 60 to70 people but they play a lot of politics and they are very clickish. They got like 12 leaders there, they think they really like Apostles, BAH ! Ptooi

But they act like jerks, they siphon people they don;t like there and obstracize them. They are very strict on the word, they go and buy books from Saddleback church and every week got video lessons. Ok, thats good. But hey, where is the fellowship?

I ask some of the leaders, and you know what? A jerk told me off that they too busy with church ministry to be friendly. He just making excuses. This dude goes to the same bible study every day, and he just pass by me without even acknowledging me. I wanted to pat him real hard on the back (an excuse to say hi) but indirectly I wanted to pat him so hard that he feel it ! Kapao !

I understand that christians are not perfect, we make mistakes and are fallen sinners but at least some form of kindness to reflect that you are a human being.

Well since I do not know Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic,
I have to then rely on accurate translation.

I think it is well documented that NIV is not accurate.

KJV is not the most accurate but then generally it is more reliable.
Basically in NIV, you can find passages whereby the entire meaning actually changes, that is how inaccurate it is.

For example which passage? Which documentation that NIV is not accurate?