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post Oct 14 2014, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Oct 14 2014, 04:18 PM)
to add what UW has written:

A minister named Yusak Tjipto or Yusak Cipto has shared that it's impossible for human to obey God without divine help. a grace is needed.
There are lengthy explanations from spiritual perspective, devil accusation, tounge and declaration, etc...

Whilest UW didn't give solution how to boast our own obedience, I have some prayer and insight:

According to YOUR grace given unto me, I will obey YOU even to the very ends of the earth.

This simple prayer, will declare enough protection (i.e. GOD's grace) whitest you do your spiritual journey to obey GOD till very end of the earth. Without blanket / protection. Forget it.
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Actually the lesson learned from these 2 types, it's better that you boast of God's love for you.
That will empower you better than we boasting our obedience.

You know why?

Our Love for God is never consistent. From Monday to Sunday, if you draw a chart, you will see what I say is true.
But God's Love for you is consistent. If you draw a Chart, it's 24/7 rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif Hallelujah!




QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Oct 14 2014, 04:23 PM)
Out of the 70/120 disciples, there were 12 in the inner circle, and out of the 12 there were 3 - Peter, James and John and out of the 3, there was - John (Grace).  John was the only apostle who was delivered from martydom and lived till a ripe old age.
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Yes, that too, missed out, thanks.
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post Oct 14 2014, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 04:25 PM)
Yes, very sad, that they don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Matthew 23:39 - For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

Jesus was waiting giving them chances after chances in the Bible.

He will restore Israel and be the Government as they expected. He is from the Line of David.

God is still giving them chance even now through us. To stir them in jealousy.
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I believe that God will restore the Kingdom of Israel.

Unfortunately most Christians do not believe that.
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post Oct 14 2014, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 14 2014, 04:31 PM)
I believe that God will restore the Kingdom of Israel.

Unfortunately most Christians do not believe that.
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oh you mean Israel replacement doctrine?

No lah. We can never replace Israel.

They are the first fruit of God, has been and will always be. We are the in grafted branch and because of their rebellion, Salvation is open to all gentiles (All of us).

God will restore them, don't worry.
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post Oct 14 2014, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 14 2014, 04:31 PM)
I believe that God will restore the Kingdom of Israel.

Unfortunately most Christians do not believe that.
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I believe that too... do you think israel independence 14 May 1948 meaning GOD already restore Kingdom of Israel ?
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post Oct 14 2014, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Oct 14 2014, 04:44 PM)
I believe that too... do you think israel independence 14 May 1948 meaning GOD already restore Kingdom of Israel ?
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Yes and No.

It shows that God is in the midst of fulfilling His promises.
But the Israel that is established is still in apostasy.
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post Oct 14 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 14 2014, 03:37 PM)
i understand that.

What you point out about people not accepting Him as saviour is the problem of transformation.
i would rather say that not accepting Him as Lord is the problem to discipleship which is trnsformation.

You dont have to obey Him as saviour. Whereas Lordship demands obedience, which leads to transformation.
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Salvation (soteria in Greek http://biblehub.com/greek/4991.htm ) is a rich, full word and means more than being saved from hell/death. Once we believe in Jesus and receive the Gift of Righteousness, we are not only saved, but become a New Creation in Christ. (2 Cor 5:16-17). No longer identified by our flesh and our sinful nature.

The issue today, is that many religious folks define obedience to outward/overt behaviour while in God's standards the Bible calls anything that is not of faith sin (Rom 14:23). We can only be righteous through the Gift of Righteousness, and the grace and the goodness of God will teach us to deny ungodliness (Titus 2:12).
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QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Oct 14 2014, 04:23 PM)
Out of the 70/120 disciples, there were 12 in the inner circle, and out of the 12 there were 3 - Peter, James and John and out of the 3, there was - John (Grace).  John was the only apostle who was delivered from martydom and lived till a ripe old age.
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Well I agree that Jesus did show some favour towards John.
Maybe it's just a way of demonstrating His Grace towards him.
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post Oct 14 2014, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 03:51 PM)
Don't misunderstand. I wasn't attacking your point, just giving you additional insight.
What gives you that idea anyway?
The Bible has many life application from multiple angle.
I'll tell you why I say Peter is a type of Christian under the Law.

Remember about Peter's denial of the Lord?

What happened?

Jesus said, all the disciples will fall away on account of Him (Matthew 26:21)
And Peter boasted "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." (Matthew 26:33)
And Peter said this in front of all the disciples!  biggrin.gif

That is like saying, God I will obey you! Even all these other disciples can't!

And we all now what happened next. He betrayed Jesus with cursing and swearing some more.

What is the lesson behind this?

He typifies the type of Believers today who boast of their own obedience to God.

Lord I will obey you even to the very ends of the earth. Be careful when you boast as such, you'll find it hard to complete it just like Peter.
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i dont see Peter as a type of Law. Whereas the pharisees are the lawful typology.

However i do see Pride. And Pride goes before a fall. God cannot use proud people. In many examples in scriptures God has to break His prophets down before He can use them eg Moses, Samson, Peter

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 04:29 PM)
Actually the lesson learned from these 2 types, it's better that you boast of God's love for you.
That will empower you better than we boasting our obedience.

You know why?

Our Love for God is never consistent. From Monday to Sunday, if you draw a chart, you will see what I say is true.
But God's Love for you is consistent. If you draw a Chart, it's 24/7  rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif Hallelujah!
Yes, that too, missed out, thanks.
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ANYone want to boast? biggrin.gif


Gal 6

14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 05:18 PM)
maybe he meant, Peter was a legalistic jew. Jews at that time were very ritualisitc and adhere strictly to their customs.

Actually that passage is a teaching for many christians. This serves as a warning to those christian leaders who develop egoistical manners and boast that they are better than the rest. It also teaches christians about humility and to always check your heart at all times. You think you are doing very well, but think again.
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Nope. Nowhere in the Gospel did Peter display any sense of legalism.


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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 05:20 PM)
Err that wasn't the kingdom he was refering to.

Its the kingdom when all of God's people, Gentiles and Jews alike who accepted Jesus as savour that will unite with Father after the judgment day.
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Actually, I believe that Jesus will restore the actual Kingdom of Israel.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 14 2014, 05:24 PM)
ANYone want to boast?    biggrin.gif
Gal 6 

14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
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Yes that is correct,

God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ

Save here means except.

What is the Cross of Jesus Christ?

His Love to us. Boast of his love to us.


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post Oct 14 2014, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 05:18 PM)
.... Jews at that time were very ritualisitc and adhere strictly to their customs. ...

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2000 years eat only bread, and suddenly HE comes introducing pork chop... sure massive lahh rclxub.gif

i did not mean to insult our Christ but .... whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif ... Christ always correct one submit..submit... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 05:55 PM)
sorry, i cannot brain what you mean.

please clarify
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You wrote: Jews at that time were very ritualisitc and adhere strictly to their customs.

They are strict to their customs because for the last 2000 year (from Abraham to Jesus) they adhere to their law. Their tradition is from generation to generation from 2000 years. It's in their DNA already for more than ... 7 generations ?

If for the last 7 generation people restrain to eat only bread, then suddenly Jesus say what's matter is not what you eat, but what comes from you (e.g. your declaration). In essence Jesus say any food is okay lahh (i wrote pork chop ...)... sure... this is massive paradigm change ... it's a huge change to community... but Christ always correct one.

hope u understand... if not let me know again.. i am learning to write properly thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 05:57 PM)
You mean the present day Israel?

haha, that one is no where near the kingdom of God.
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Well, if you read what I say careful, I was saying that God will restore Israel in the future.

The current Israel is still in an apostate state but then what I believe is that in the future, when Christ comes,

He will establish his Kingdom around the current Israel.
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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 06:28 PM)
yeah la, thats what i say all along.

Sure or not, that he will restore the kingdom around the soil of Israel?

I thought Israel is a symbolic word for God's people like Church is for God's congregation rather than a building.
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Not really.
We are the spiritual Jews. But when Paul talks about Israel, he is talking about the actual Israel.
That's my understanding.
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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 06:28 PM)
yeah la, thats what i say all along.

Sure or not, that he will restore the kingdom around the soil of Israel?

I thought Israel is a symbolic word for God's people like Church is for God's congregation rather than a building.
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Physical Israel la maniakam123 rolleyes.gif Israel will be the power seat frm whr Christ notworthy.gif will rule during the 1000-yr millennial reign.
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post Oct 14 2014, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 06:32 PM)
Yes I understand.

But you must know, it is not easy for the Jews to change. Imagine when you have been raised in their customs and the thought engrain into your mind, suddenly a man comes and say he is the Son of God. You were expecting a conquerer with armies behind him but instead you see a sheperd with his team of followers who hail from tax collectors, sick, poor, fishermen, etc. Then he come to say that all your sacrifice rituals are no longer needed because he is the lamb of God sent by God to be sacrificed for your sin. Would you think if you were in the shoe of a jew, it be easy for you to accept?
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exactly... smile.gif that's why i wrote: sure massive lahh rclxub.gif

meaning, it is not easy for jew to accept all changes.

sure i need to brush up my writing skills lol...
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 14 2014, 04:01 PM)
Well, it does not sound like obedience to me.

It's being over passionate. I really do not know how you can even come out with the idea that he was legalistic.

That verse you are talking about was not talking about obedience. It was talking about forsaking Christ. Jesus was prophesizing that the disciples will leave him on the day he was crucified.
Peter being his usual passionate self said he will not forsake Christ.

I do not know how you can even interpret that verse from a legalistic view. You really need to take off your "legalistic" spectacles.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 14 2014, 05:20 PM)
i dont see Peter as a  type of Law.  Whereas the pharisees are the lawful typology.

However i do see Pride. And Pride goes before a fall.  God cannot use proud people. In many examples in scriptures God has to break His prophets down before He can use them  eg Moses, Samson, Peter
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I'm perfectly okay if you don't see what is being taught in that lesson, but for those who do, it will help in their spiritual life.

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Oct 14 2014, 06:45 PM)
Physical Israel la maniakam123  rolleyes.gif  Israel will be the power seat frm whr Christ  notworthy.gif  will rule during the 1000-yr millennial reign.
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QUOTE(General Fahmy @ Oct 14 2014, 07:08 PM)
who is that?

your good friend?
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