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post Oct 14 2014, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 11:26 AM)
He is the Triune God.

God the father.
God Jesus Christ.
God Holy Spirit.
When I address them, I address them as Dear God not Dear Gods.

They are One God but Trinity. They are not lesser in power in comparison to each other.

Some people think the Ranking is like this.

1) God the father.
2) God Jesus Christ.
3) God Holy Spirit.

Actually No.

Actually to be honest 14-9-2015, no human being can explain this.

We Christian just accept it as it is.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God sent to dwell in all Believers.
The Bible says, He is the guarantee deposit that guarantees us Salvation in Heaven.
The Holy Spirit is a Teacher, who will guide us into God's truth.
God The father Speaks/communicate to us through his Spirit, The Holy Spirit.

That is why Christianity is relationship with God, it's not a religion.

To me religion is just repetitive rituals void of personal relationship with God.

Hope that helps.
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and the Holy Spirit is a gift for the believer/Christian who repented and baptized. Acts 2:38
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post Oct 14 2014, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 13 2014, 11:59 PM)
Just to add on top of what most Bible commenter says about Judas.

Judas never regarded Jesus as ..........a Saviour (Messiah), he only saw him as a teacher.

Meaning to say as one to follow after not as one who save Him, that is the problem.

It's also a hint why Many Christians are not transformed or repented towards God.
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Well, even the disciples did not know the real purpose of what Jesus was here for.
They saw Jesus as a future King that will liberate the Jews from Rome.

For example
35 Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Him, saying, “Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask.”

36 And He said to them, “What do you want Me to do for you?”

37 They said to Him, “Grant us that we may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on Your left, in Your glory.”

When Jesus was about to be crucified,
Mark 8
31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Peter Rebuked him because he could not imagine that Jesus will end up this way. His assumption has always been that Jesus was supposed to come down as an actual King.

I do not think that at the time when Jesus was here, the disciples had the holy spirit in them because Jesus clearly said that He will send the comforter after He departs. The fact is that because Jesus was with them, he somehow took some of the role of the holy spirit. For example, he protected Peter from Satan.
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail;

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 14 2014, 12:25 PM)
Well, even the disciples did not know the real purpose of what Jesus was here for.
They saw Jesus as a future King that will liberate the Jews from Rome.

For example
35 Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Him, saying, “Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask.”

36 And He said to them, “What do you want Me to do for you?”

37 They said to Him, “Grant us that we may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on Your left, in Your glory.”

When Jesus was about to be crucified,
Mark 8
31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Peter Rebuked him because he could not imagine that Jesus will end up this way. His assumption has always been that Jesus was supposed to come down as an actual King.

I do not think that at the time when Jesus was here, the disciples had the holy spirit in them because Jesus clearly said that He will send the comforter after He departs. The fact is that because Jesus was with them, he somehow took some of the role of the holy spirit. For example, he protected Peter from Satan.
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail;
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All the disciples were shielded from knowing God purpose for Jesus, except for Peter and John.

Peter's Name means Stone. He represents a type of Christian under Law.
John's Name means Grace. He represents a type of Christian under Grace.

The story is symbolic in Nature.

In Matthew 16, you can say that God is about to introduce Christ the Messiah to save his people from the covenant of the Law of the Old Testament.

Matthew 16:15-16 - "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

And in the next moment Peter Rebuked Jesus despite that divine revelation given. Why? Why a side by side comparison where Peter was given the revelation of who Jesus is suppose to be and Yet He rebuked Jesus from that purpose.

Because the Law cannot save anyone. Like I said, it is symbolic in nature. The Devil wants you to go back to the Law.

The Devil is so afraid that people will come to know Jesus as a Saviour, He doesn't mind people to know him as a Teacher, a Model to be followed after (Old Testament way - Law). Why?
Because he knows that if you see Jesus as a model to be followed after and not as a Savior, you will remain in your sins, unable to come out.

That is why when 14-9-2015 you say it's better to stay in obedience to be safe, you are in essence saying you got your Salvation because you obeyed. It becomes your work, pushing away Grace which is under the New Covenant, eternally secured.

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post Oct 14 2014, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 14 2014, 11:03 AM)
and the Holy Spirit is a gift for the believer/Christian who repented and baptized. Acts 2:38
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Yes correct and the word repented here means metanoeó in Greek which also means Change your mind.

Change your mind toward God. Knowing That God is for you and loves you and has completely forgives you of all sins.
That is real repentance. (Romans 2:4)

It is not this sorrow or remorseful regret of sin because that cannot change anyone. That's only temporal and outward show of change in front of the pulpit. People can cry a bucket of river. Once out of the pulpit and out of Church, Show time is over. People remain the same and they're not change. For example , back on Monday when a crazy car driver cut you in the wrong way, you reacted a knee jerk reaction with your hand (example lah) and you forgot you're a christian too late. There goes your sorrowful repentance down the drain.

Now I'm not trying to make light of this type of repentance but to me that is a fleshly type of repentance. I want people to truly change but according to scripture. Through the power of God's grace.

A Christian is truly repented when He is truly rested in God. Something for you guys to ponder.
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 13 2014, 11:59 PM)
Just to add on top of what most Bible commenter says about Judas.

Judas never regarded Jesus as ..........a Saviour (Messiah), he only saw him as a teacher.

Meaning to say as one to follow after not as one who save Him, that is the problem.

It's also a hint why Many Christians are not transformed or repented towards God.
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Dont understand this.

i would thought that there is more problem with discipleship when one only acknowledges the saviour but not the Lord part.

Many Christians actually IMO are only interessted in being saved but not interested to forgo their flesh and carnal characteristics and follow the Lord
in obedience. In acknowledging the Lordship means obedience.

Thats the reason of the warning in Matthew 7:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Its obedience to His will that draws us into His kingdom.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 10:26 AM)
He is the Triune God.

God the father.
God Jesus Christ.
God Holy Spirit.
When I address them, I address them as Dear God not Dear Gods.

They are One God but Trinity. They are not lesser in power in comparison to each other.

Some people think the Ranking is like this.

1) God the father.
2) God Jesus Christ.
3) God Holy Spirit.

Actually No.

Actually to be honest 14-9-2015, no human being can explain this.

We Christian just accept it as it is.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God sent to dwell in all Believers.
The Bible says, He is the guarantee deposit that guarantees us Salvation in Heaven.
The Holy Spirit is a Teacher, who will guide us into God's truth.
God The father Speaks/communicate to us through his Spirit, The Holy Spirit.

That is why Christianity is relationship with God, it's not a religion.

To me religion is just repetitive rituals void of personal relationship with God.

Hope that helps.
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Agree. Its one of the great mysteries of God.

Yes. The tri unity of God explains the relationship nature of God.
Otherwise there is no reasoning the term : God IS Love.
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post Oct 14 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 14 2014, 02:21 PM)
Dont understand this.

i would thought that there is more problem with discipleship when one only acknowledges the saviour but not the Lord part.

Many Christians actually IMO are only interessted in being saved but not interested to forgo their flesh and carnal characteristics and follow the Lord
in obedience. In acknowledging the Lordship means obedience.

Thats the reason of the warning in Matthew 7:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Its obedience to His will that draws us into His kingdom.
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You have to take discipleship one step at a time.

Obedience will come in naturally when the right type of Faith is cultivated.

And this Faith must be geared in teaching to know that God is very approachable.

You are right, many people is not interested to forgo that, that's why I'm all out to change that, through scripture. wink.gif

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post Oct 14 2014, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 02:30 PM)
You have to take discipleship one step at a time.

Obedience will come in naturally when the right type of Faith is cultivated.
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i understand that.

What you point out about people not accepting Him as saviour is the problem of transformation.
i would rather say that not accepting Him as Lord is the problem to discipleship which is trnsformation.

You dont have to obey Him as saviour. Whereas Lordship demands obedience, which leads to transformation.

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aiyo... when can i have abundance knowledge like both prophetzul & UW ? blush.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 14 2014, 02:37 PM)
i understand that.

What you point out about people not accepting Him as saviour is the problem of transformation.
i would rather say that not accepting Him as Lord is the problem to discipleship which is trnsformation.

You dont have to obey Him as saviour. Whereas Lordship demands obedience, which leads to transformation.
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The greatest commandment in the OT is to Love God with all our Heart, with all our Soul and Mind. (Calling Him Lord).
How is it that we still don't understand, despite thousands of years of being given the chance, through the Law and yet God declares there is NONE that is righteous. (Nobody could)
We are blind not to understand what that means.The Same trap that we still fall in today.

Unless you see Jesus as a Saviour, there will be no change.
Only God can save you or change you for that matter. And it's by the way of Faith.
You cannot change yourself, no matter how hard you try or how many times you call him Lord.

What did the Holy Spirit says about not hardening our Heart lest we repeat the same rebellion as the Israelite did?
Do you know why people fall away? The answer is in

Hebrew 3:12 - See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

It's not sinful wrong doings. (effort), The Bible calls Unbelieve as something sinful. And the context is, when you have a wrong type of Faith (unbelieve) you'll naturally turn away from God.

The meaning of Salvation is not just saving from Sin.
It's more than that. It encompass every area of our life.
And I really mean every area. The Gospel of Christ is complete Salvation.

Like I said Obedience will come in naturally when the Right type of Faith is cultivated.

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Oct 14 2014, 02:41 PM)
aiyo... when can i have abundance knowledge like both prophetzul & UW ?  blush.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 01:54 PM)
All the disciples were shielded from knowing God purpose for Jesus, except for Peter and John.

Peter's Name means Stone. He represents a type of Christian under Law.
John's Name means Grace. He represents a type of Christian under Grace.

The story is symbolic in Nature.

In Matthew 16, you can say that God is about to introduce Christ the Messiah to save his people from the covenant of the Law of the Old Testament.

Matthew 16:15-16 - "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

And in the next moment Peter Rebuked Jesus despite that divine revelation given. Why? Why a side by side comparison where Peter was given the revelation of who Jesus is suppose to be and Yet He rebuked Jesus from that purpose.

Because the Law cannot save anyone. Like I said, it is symbolic in nature. The Devil wants you to go back to the Law.

The Devil is so afraid that people will come to know Jesus as a Saviour, He doesn't mind people to know him as a Teacher, a Model to be followed after (Old Testament way - Law). Why?
Because he knows that if you see Jesus as a model to be followed after and not as a Savior, you will remain in your sins, unable to come out.

That is why when 14-9-2015 you say it's better to stay in obedience to be safe, you are in essence saying you got your Salvation because you obeyed. It becomes your work, pushing away Grace which is under the New Covenant, eternally secured.
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Your obsession with Law and Grace really amaze me.

All of your interpretations seem to be based on this.
In fact, so obsessed is your view on Law and Grace that you are willing to attack anyone who differs with you in this aspect.

The phrase which refers to peter as a stone is
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The rock talks about Christ.

Most likely Peter(Small stone) talks about him as part of the body of Christ and also perheps he will play an important role as a leader since he recognized Christ.

There is nothing that states that Peter was anyhow related to law or legalism. In fact, just looking at the character of Peter, you will find that he tends to be a little bit reckless. Which is very different from legalism. Recklessness is generally the opposite to legalism.

Yes, it was being revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ. But then for most jews at that time, their understanding of Christ is one that comes in and save them from the oppression of Rome. What Jesus was narrating was different from the understanding of Peter and most of the disciples out there.

The verse after that.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Shows very clearly shows that being Christ followers now but espacially during that time was not going to be easy. It's not about the physical kingdom. It's about a future kingdom.

Peter was just being reckless when he interrupted Jesus because he did not understand the purpose of Christ first coming
There are many prophecies that actually states that the Messiah will come and establish a Kingdom in Israel. But that will be fulfilled in the second coming.
The Jews were awaiting for such a messiah.

You are resorting to symbolism to over emphasize your theology. That's the wrong approach to things.

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This is the Jewish expectations of the Messiah

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 14 2014, 03:33 PM)
Your obsession with Law and Grace really amaze me.

All of your interpretations seem to be based on this.
In fact, so obsessed is your view on Law and Grace that you are willing to attack anyone who differs with you in this aspect.

The phrase which refers to peter as a stone is
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The rock talks about Christ.

Most likely Peter(Small stone) talks about him as part of the body of Christ and also perheps he will play an important role as a leader since he recognized Christ.

There is nothing that states that Peter was anyhow related to law or legalism. In fact, just looking at the character of Peter, you will find that he tends to be a little bit reckless. Which is very different from legalism. Recklessness is generally the opposite to legalism.

Yes, it was being revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ. But then for most jews at that time, their understanding of Christ is one that comes in and save them from the oppression of Rome. What Jesus was narrating was different from the understanding of Peter and most of the disciples out there.

The verse after that.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Shows very clearly shows that being Christ followers now but espacially during that time was not going to be easy. It's not about the physical kingdom. It's about a future kingdom.

Peter was just being reckless when he interrupted Jesus because he did not understand the purpose of Christ first coming and also he could not
There are many prophecies that actually states that the Messiah will come and establish a Kingdom in Israel. But that will be fulfilled in the second coming.
The Jews were awaiting for such a messiah.

You are resorting to symbolism to over emphasize your theology. That's the wrong approach to things.
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Don't misunderstand. I wasn't attacking your point, just giving you additional insight.
What gives you that idea anyway?
The Bible has many life application from multiple angle.


I'll tell you why I say Peter is a type of Christian under the Law.

Remember about Peter's denial of the Lord?

What happened?

Jesus said, all the disciples will fall away on account of Him (Matthew 26:21)
And Peter boasted "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." (Matthew 26:33)
And Peter said this in front of all the disciples! biggrin.gif

That is like saying, God I will obey you! Even all these other disciples can't!

And we all now what happened next. He betrayed Jesus with cursing and swearing some more.

What is the lesson behind this?

He typifies the type of Believers today who boast of their own obedience to God.

Lord I will obey you even to the very ends of the earth. Be careful when you boast as such, you'll find it hard to complete it just like Peter.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 04:51 PM)
Don't misunderstand. I wasn't attacking your point, just giving you additional insight.
What gives you that idea anyway?
The Bible has many life application from multiple angle.
I'll tell you why I say Peter is a type of Christian under the Law.

Remember about Peter's denial of the Lord?

What happened?

Jesus said, all the disciples will fall away on account of Him (Matthew 26:21)
And Peter boasted "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." (Matthew 26:33)
And Peter said this in front of all the disciples!  biggrin.gif

That is like saying, God I will obey you! Even all these other disciples can't!

And we all now what happened next. He betrayed Jesus with cursing and swearing some more.

What is the lesson behind this?

He typifies the type of Believers today who boast of their own obedience to God.

Lord I will obey you even to the very ends of the earth. Be careful when you boast as such, you'll find it hard to complete it just like Peter.
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i also didn't know this peter's law insight hmm.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 03:51 PM)
Don't misunderstand. I wasn't attacking your point, just giving you additional insight.
What gives you that idea anyway?
The Bible has many life application from multiple angle.
I'll tell you why I say Peter is a type of Christian under the Law.

Remember about the Peter's denial of the Lord?

What happened?

Jesus said, all the disciples will fall away on account of Him (Matthew 26:21)
And Peter boasted "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." (Matthew 26:33)
And Peter said this in front of all the disciples!  biggrin.gif

That is like saying, God I will obey you! Even all these other disciples can't!

And we all now what happened next. He betrayed Jesus with cursing and swearing some more.

What is the lesson behind this?

He typifies the type of Believers today who boast of their own obedience to God.

Lord I will obey you even to the very ends of the earth. Be careful when you boast as such, you'll find it hard to complete it just like Peter.
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Well, it does not sound like obedience to me.

It's being over passionate. I really do not know how you can even come out with the idea that he was legalistic.

That verse you are talking about was not talking about obedience. It was talking about forsaking Christ. Jesus was prophesizing that the disciples will leave him on the day he was crucified.
Peter being his usual passionate self said he will not forsake Christ.

I do not know how you can even interpret that verse from a legalistic view. You really need to take off your "legalistic" spectacles.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 14 2014, 03:58 PM)
i also didn't know this peter's law insight hmm.gif
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In contrast to Peter, the disciple John, Yohanan (Grace) often use this phrase.

The disciple whom Jesus love.

You'll find that is mentioned multiple times in his own gospel, the Book of John.

Now John did not boast of his Love to God. He typifies the type of Christians who boast of God's Love to Him! (The other way round)

And what happened?

Peter denied knowing the Lord 3 times with cursing and swearing but the Apostle John! Was the ONLY apostle found at the cross with Jesus Christ!

He was given that honor! To see the divine Cross! What a glorious honor and John was the only one who knew who betrayed Christ Jesus. HE was the quickest one to recognize who God is (John 21:7) and was the quickest one to reach the empty tomb. ( John 20:4)

So what is the lesson here?

When you boast of God's Love to you, you will have a quick perception of who God is, will be closer to God and honored by God much more than you boast of your own obedience.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 03:51 PM)
Don't misunderstand. I wasn't attacking your point, just giving you additional insight.
What gives you that idea anyway?
The Bible has many life application from multiple angle.
I'll tell you why I say Peter is a type of Christian under the Law.

Remember about Peter's denial of the Lord?

What happened?

Jesus said, all the disciples will fall away on account of Him (Matthew 26:21)
And Peter boasted "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will." (Matthew 26:33)
And Peter said this in front of all the disciples!  biggrin.gif

That is like saying, God I will obey you! Even all these other disciples can't!

And we all now what happened next. He betrayed Jesus with cursing and swearing some more.

What is the lesson behind this?

He typifies the type of Believers today who boast of their own obedience to God.

Lord I will obey you even to the very ends of the earth. Be careful when you boast as such, you'll find it hard to complete it just like Peter.
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to add what UW has written:

A minister named Yusak Tjipto or Yusak Cipto has shared that it's impossible for human to obey God without divine help. a grace is needed.
There are lengthy explanations from spiritual perspective, devil accusation, tounge and declaration, etc...

Whilest UW didn't give solution how to boast our own obedience, I have some prayer and insight:

According to YOUR grace given unto me, I will obey YOU even to the very ends of the earth.

This simple prayer, will declare enough protection (i.e. GOD's grace) whitest you do your spiritual journey to obey GOD till very end of the earth. Without blanket / protection. Forget it.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 14 2014, 05:09 PM)
In contrast to Peter, the disciple John, Yohanan (Grace) often use this phrase.

The disciple whom Jesus love.

You'll find that is mentioned multiple times in his own gospel, the Book of John.

Now John did not boast of his Love to God. He typifies the type of Christians who boast of God's Love to Him! (The other way round)

And what happened?

Peter denied knowing the Lord 3 times with cursing and swearing but the Apostle John! Was the ONLY apostle found at the cross with Jesus Christ!

He was given that honor! To see the divine Cross! What a glorious honor and John was the only one who knew who betrayed Christ Jesus. HE was the quickest one to recognize who God is (John 21:7) and was the quickest one to reach the empty tomb. ( John 20:4)

So what is the lesson here?

When you boast of God's Love to you, you will have a quick perception of who God is, will be closer to God and honored by God much more than you boast of your own obedience.
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Out of the 70/120 disciples, there were 12 in the inner circle, and out of the 12 there were 3 - Peter, James and John and out of the 3, there was - John (Grace). John was the only apostle who was delivered from martydom and lived till a ripe old age.

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 14 2014, 03:42 PM)
This is the Jewish expectations of the Messiah

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
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Yes, very sad, that they don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Matthew 23:39 - For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

Jesus was waiting giving them chances after chances in the Bible.

He will restore Israel and be the Government as they expected. He is from the Line of David.

God is still giving them chance even now through us. To stir them in jealousy.

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