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QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 28 2014, 09:51 PM)
I never said it was a religion.

nope, there's the third type - those in denial, they think they doing a great service to god, play a lot of politics at church, all they care is their treasures in heaven but they don't give a crap about those "poor in spirit". In other words, they just use people for their own benefit.

I heard of stories of mistreatment and abuse of power.

I heard of stories of politics in church, where some of the leaders surround themselves with those people who are second generation members of the church, whereas those outsiders, they whack them with double standard requirements.

Yeah, I even heard of stories of one pastor who use a lot of money to build an unnecessary building for his church, drained the funds of the church and cause half the congregation to leave. I won't say whichchurch that is, but for sure, they didn't need that huge building.....which they only use like several times a year and it was very far away from the other satellite churches anyway.

The decision to build the building wasn't democratic. Most of those nominated into the committee was his gang members. As "yes men", of course they all approved it.

Then there's another story of a church in PJ, a church leader influence a sister to dump her boyfriend, because he misused his leadership influences to brainwash her into thinking the boyfriend wasn't godly enough. After they broke up, he made his move on her and it was successful.

I have a Christian friend, she got pregnant when she was 22 because she had pre-marital sex with a church worker who was in charge of the Audio equipment. The church sacked the church worker and they impose their decision that the marriage between my friend and the church worker wasn't feasible. Next, they forced her to give away her baby for adoption.

5 years later, she remarried, but changed to another church, she cried every day wondering how is the child she never known is doing now.

There are some church people who are very dogmatic...very selfish, very critical, only think about themselves.
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Yo Man,

I can understand where you're coming. How I solve this dissatisfaction is to pray for them and still love them.

Fighting fire with fire will only cause more burns that you ever hope to subside. Prayers works.

Well all this, if you are a Christian, otherwise just take it as knowledge.




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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 29 2014, 12:46 AM)
Hey guys, don't mind if I share this.

Why Christianity is not a religion?

Because the root word religion in classic Latin ("religio") means to bind.

In typology meaning one's ultimate aim or salvation is bound to the laws or doctrine of being save.

Here's a couple of excerpt

http://philippians1v21.wordpress.com/why-b...not-a-religion/

The way to be right with God in every religion is by earning your way.  It is based on works, not grace.  Christianity is different from every religion in this aspect: all other religions (including Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) state that you must earn the right to be reconciled with God.  It is by what you do in this life (good deeds or bad deeds) that determines your eternal destiny.  Christianity is completely different from this.  It is not religion.

http://www.christinyou.net/pages/Xnotrel.html

The Latin word from which the English word "religion" is derived means "to bind up." Jesus did not come to bind us up in rules and regulations or rituals of devotion, but to set us free to be man as God inended.
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christiani...lationship.aspx

With all the religions in the world, what makes Christianity different?
Christianity is not a set of rules that one must follow to gain acceptance or inclusion. The Apostle Paul himself said that we are saved by faith, not by works.
But so many Christians walk around with the mindset today that they must do something or continue to do something to maintain their identity as a Christian.
Think of Christianity more as a relationship, or marriage, if you well. As the Church, we are in fact called the bride of Christ throughout Scripture.
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thanks for sharing... but i already know that Christianity is a relationship with god biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(subimpact @ May 29 2014, 02:47 AM)
thanks for sharing... but i already know that Christianity is a relationship with god biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(subimpact @ May 29 2014, 12:07 AM)
yes please enlighten me when i read chapter 5 of crazy love by francis chan... he was refering to us christian as being either one of the type of christians im not trying to argue here but just sharing some light on how to imply verse in the bible reflecting to us. not just for the sake of reading the bible as theocraticly 
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Oh oh ... I didn't meant it that way ... but just to spur you on to consider more "gold mines" in seven local churches in Revelation. biggrin.gif

But I am not sure what you want me to enlighten on? Lukewarm? sweat.gif

Maybe I will start with Ephesus ....

Although the church in Ephesus had many virtues [Paul himself laboured there 3 years day and night; It also had Apollos, Aquila, Priscilla, Timothy, Tychicus, and others working in it ^^], it was degraded because it had left its first love. In Revelation 2:4 the Lord said, "I have this against you, that you have left your first love." The Greek word for "first" here is the same as the word translated "best" in Luke 15:22. Our first love toward the Lord must be the best love for Him. The church in Ephesus had left this best love toward the Lord. It became a formal church life.

This is the clear revelation of the source of the degradation of the church during the first century. We may work and labor for the Lord and we may be pure doctrinally and correct scripturally, yet not have the first love for the Lord.

A church can be zealous and active outwardly, having the pure faith and the proper judgment, yet gradually losing the love which is the source of life. From the world's view and even from one's own view, the church may be excellent and display no traces of decline.

But from the view of the Lord who searches the inward parts and the hearts, the source [unseen] is detected. Can a bridegroom be satisfied if a bride is faithful in all duties but cold in love? Can a person hungry for love be satisfied by good works and diligence? Can a love as great as Christ's be satisfied by cold activities and dry works that are empty of a burning love? The Lord is jealous of our love! Love demands love, and short of it, no outward diligence can compensate for its loss.

Also, the reason one continue labouring at the cost of losing the first love might be the work had become a habit or that the work might have retained a good name for them. But, we cannot deceive the Lord with vain outward appearances. wub.gif

It is by this love that we are the lampstand. If we lose this love, the Lord Jesus will remove the lampstand. This means that if we lose our love, we will lose the lampstand. So the more we love the Lord Jesus, the more we will be shining, and the more we will enjoy Him as the tree of life. To be the lampstand and to enjoy the Lord as the tree of life requires the best love toward the Lord, a love which surpasses all other things. We must have the first love, the best love, the most pure love toward the Lord Jesus. Then we will be the living lampstand, and we will be qualified to enjoy Him as the tree of life. Love, light, and life all go together. If we have the first love and the best love toward the Lord Jesus, we will be a shining lampstand, and we will enjoy the Lord Jesus as the tree of life.









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QUOTE(pehkay @ May 29 2014, 08:52 AM)
Oh oh ... I didn't meant it that way ... but just to spur you on to consider more "gold mines" in seven local churches in Revelation. biggrin.gif

But I am not sure what you want me to enlighten on? Lukewarm?  sweat.gif

Maybe I will start with Ephesus ....

Although the church in Ephesus had many virtues [Paul himself laboured there 3 years day and night; It also had Apollos, Aquila, Priscilla, Timothy, Tychicus, and others working in it ^^], it was degraded because it had left its first love. In Revelation 2:4 the Lord said, "I have this against you, that you have left your first love." The Greek word for "first" here is the same as the word translated "best" in Luke 15:22. Our first love toward the Lord must be the best love for Him. The church in Ephesus had left this best love toward the Lord. It became a formal church life.

This is the clear revelation of the source of the degradation of the church during the first century. We may work and labor for the Lord and we may be pure doctrinally and correct scripturally, yet not have the first love for the Lord.

A church can be zealous and active outwardly, having the pure faith and the proper judgment, yet gradually losing the love which is the source of life. From the world's view and even from one's own view, the church may be excellent and display no traces of decline.

But from the view of the Lord who searches the inward parts and the hearts, the source [unseen] is detected. Can a bridegroom be satisfied if a bride is faithful in all duties but cold in love? Can a person hungry for love be satisfied by good works and diligence? Can a love as great as Christ's be satisfied by cold activities and dry works that are empty of a burning love? The Lord is jealous of our love! Love demands love, and short of it, no outward diligence can compensate for its loss.

Also, the reason one continue labouring at the cost of losing the first love might be the work had become a habit or that the work might have retained a good name for them. But, we cannot deceive the Lord with vain outward appearances.  wub.gif

It is by this love that we are the lampstand. If we lose this love, the Lord Jesus will remove the lampstand. This means that if we lose our love, we will lose the lampstand. So the more we love the Lord Jesus, the more we will be shining, and the more we will enjoy Him as the tree of life. To be the lampstand and to enjoy the Lord as the tree of life requires the best love toward the Lord, a love which surpasses all other things. We must have the first love, the best love, the most pure love toward the Lord Jesus. Then we will be the living lampstand, and we will be qualified to enjoy Him as the tree of life. Love, light, and life all go together. If we have the first love and the best love toward the Lord Jesus, we will be a shining lampstand, and we will enjoy the Lord Jesus as the tree of life.
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amen , its very knowledgeable of you to show some "gold mines" for me... im didnt go to bible college so cant really point out stuff..so kudos to you bro/sis in christ. well we are all saved by grace . biggrin.gif and our love cant be compared to how god loves us.. we are just too insignificant sentient beings which yet still being loved by the alpha and omega . oh not to forget god see us through and through, he knows our past, present and future ....

QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 11:59 AM)
Lukewarm?

If you heard about City Harvest, those leaders aren't exactly lukewarm...they really believe what they are doing is for god's goodness.

A lot of areas are very grey...but i know when i can see whether a christian is a nice person or an ego maniac....is when i don't see any kindness in their hearts and they tend to be controlling, dominant, super dogmatic, political and try to judge other people without even giving benefit of the doubt.
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yes i've heard on city harvest, not being judgemental on their way... but its very rational to say that anything under the eyes of the lord without peace is just a seed of destruction.. i tend not to dwell into things that are so complex .. i prefer to keep it short, simple and understandable...that is what lacking in our brothers and sisters in faith as of today.. also refer to pehkay's quote above to see the exact thing happened during those times and what did happened in city harvest, there are more other undisclosed activities of such blasphemy happening around churches which is quite a wake up call for us to pray more.
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QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 11:56 AM)
If you think it does, then i suppose so.

not really a follower of your...err, i suppose religion or your beliefs.

But i can tell you, these people whether they are in office or your church, cause huge problems for people.

Yeah i got some frens who are christians, they tell me about these people...cause havoc and inconveniences in their lifes.

I won't judge whether these people will go to heaven or not, but i can judge them on the merit on whether i can trust them or they qualify as my friends.
I give you an example, there's a poster name Nemesis lah...he is quite active in the job career forum, apparently he is a PR in Australia lah. One poster created thread about the Malaysians who complain about our msian situation then go migrating.

So i commented that i know one friend who was my classmate...before he left, he attended my class reunion and boasted about how he and his family going to migrate to australia. He said it was god's divine and will, that his family go to australia to make a better life. Then i commented in that thread about this friend of mine...i said, my friend was disillusioning himself...because he was using god as an excuse. I mean, if a migrant want to migrate for the $$$, children education and better life, just be honest and say so lah..but don't bullshiit to us non christians that you are there because of god's divine blessing. A lot of christian friends of mine tell me that they would rather stay in msia because its the hot zone...because their god tell them to make disciples of all nations, to evangelise and to help those in need. So what purpose is for someone to migrate to australia to have make disciples of all nations? When he went over there, he didn't even bother to serve at church, and he only attend church to network with other PRs there. So he is literraly bullshiit to us by using god as an excuse and i don't like it at all.

Then this Nemises guy who is a christian, started to get butthurt when i posted that, he call me names and say i am a liar. I know this friend of mine for 10 years, and this nemises guy start to accuse me..what basis that nemises has?

THis nemises guy even try to curse me and wish me bad life...because he was so butthurt that he was using god as an excuse to migrate..i wasn't even talking about nemises because i don't know him but suddenly he came out to attack me.

So i tell you lah, these are the third type of chrisitans, the ego type...i thought christians are taught to be meek and kind...slap left cheek, offer right cheek but this nemises guy, i don't even talk about him, he start cursing me.
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Lot of Christian are still on a spiritual journey, different Christian different spiritual maturity.

Many times we meet those who are still stuck at the foundation basic, haven't move on to the next level living a life that's Christ Like.

Because like everyone else they carry some sort of emotional baggage unwilling to let go due to past hurts in life. It takes time for some people to be healed of their wounds.


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QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 01:44 PM)
that is why you guys should be ever more careful about these third type of christians...

i am not here to judge if they are genuinely christian or not..but one thing for sure, the decisions of something of these christians will hurt the rest.

they are everywhere, even in your own church. Some of them control ministries, and they really think what they are doing is so darn right, that they'll do anything to achieve it.

i got a close friend who works at a big local church, he tells me that his ministry is getting under resourced because one other ministry is witholding all the help...due to competition for resources.
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not hurt the rest but humanity itself on having a bad impression on Christians themself... its easier to find fault of others than to praise them.. its very human nature... like u see in our world today vatican is very deep trouble of all the bad news coming out to the media.. that is just like the slice of the icing cake...

please do note end time is very real and its kinda happening ... raping, murdering, kidnapping, and etc... are more prone as of today then if was during our forefathers days..


QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 29 2014, 02:30 PM)
Lot of Christian are still on a spiritual journey, different Christian different spiritual maturity.

Many times we meet those who are still stuck at the foundation basic, haven't move on to the next level living a life that's Christ Like.

Because like everyone else they carry some sort of emotional baggage unwilling to let go due to past hurts in life. It takes time for some people to be healed of their wounds.
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some even worst, thing to highly of them selves like the Pharisees ... eventually that is the beginning of their fall from grace..
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QUOTE(subimpact @ May 29 2014, 02:54 PM)
not hurt the rest but humanity itself on having a bad impression on Christians themself... its easier to find fault of others than to praise them.. its very human nature... like u see in our world today vatican is very deep trouble of all the bad news coming out to the media.. that is just like the slice of the icing cake...

please do note end time is very real and its kinda happening ... raping, murdering, kidnapping, and etc... are more prone as of today then if was during our forefathers days..
some even worst, thing to highly of them selves like the Pharisees ... eventually that is the beginning of their fall from grace..
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One thing that I do when I go to Church is to seek the Lord.

I don't go to Church looking at people, or even Pastors because I already know nobody is perfect.

In fact doing that may bring disappointments. When we have the right motive in going to Church, we will not be easily shaken by what we see.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 29 2014, 03:02 PM)
One thing that I do when I go to Church is to seek the Lord.

I don't go to Church looking at people, or even Pastors because I already know nobody is perfect.

In fact doing that may bring disappointments. When we have the right motive in going to Church, we will not be easily shaken by what we see.
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QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 03:56 PM)
its very easy to say not to find fault in others....but if you got non christian uncle and aunties, and one day they stumble upon you maybe smoking (hypothetically speaking lah), then you say to them, "oh should not blame me, look at the goodness of god through the bible, but not the actions of its followers".

Above i just give an example ah.

I am not saying i expect christians to be perfect all the time, i have christian friends who smoke, swear and even talk about pretty girls. But at least they are honest about their mistakes lah, they are genuine and they got what cantonese call, "Yee Hei"...meaning, when i call them up to chat or yum cha, they hang out, this i really respect them because they think it is worth to spend time with other non christians.

It is those super ego, christians that think they are above society, that I do not have respect. These jokers are dogmatic to the end but also hypocritical to the end. They never admit their mistake, always think everything they do is for god but actually they doing it for themself.
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every religion has flaws.... and im just pointing out Christian is actually not a religion if you dig deeper into it.... if your scenario above states and aims to fellow brethren, what more for the rest of other religion ... u can replace <christians> with any other religion and the outcome would be the same right?

a true believer , will not have that kinda flaws but with the love of god and grace they will be truly transform naturally.. yes it will take some time.. but slowly but surely..

no one is perfect bro... and we dont have the rights to whine of other people actions on how imperfect people are mis-using their religion..

super ego is considered like extremist ... example those suicide bombers , KKK and etc.. they have their own agenda and sinister plan for their own gain , not god... plainly simply put its just like how gov. is exploiting religion to their benefits ..

psalms 140 clearly states of this in our world / society today..

QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 04:02 PM)
on the contrary i know very mature christians who act like jerks.

i used to have this crazy dictator christian boss who is very active at church.

nobody in our dept likes him. there was one time during teambuilding, he wanted to forced a pregnant colleague to go for the outward bound school training.

he is put on so much controls that nobody in the co liked him but when it came to his own indiscretions of cheating figures, he didn't mind closing one eye.

In the end, one of the managers in the company collected enough evidence to force out this christian boss. He was adamant to the end...he never admit he was cheating the figures.
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how do u label a christian , christian... im really puzzle... being active in church doesnt make one to be a very holy pious Christian..... please be dont be the rest of the people mentality im sure u could do better thinking both ends of the scenario .... the only person that knows if he is a true believer is between god and oneself...

stereotyping people going churches consider being a Christian is just plain sad.

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I was quite down recently, please holy spirit fulfill my life to worship you Jesus smile.gif

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 29 2014, 02:30 PM)
Lot of Christian are still on a spiritual journey, different Christian different spiritual maturity.

Many times we meet those who are still stuck at the foundation basic, haven't move on to the next level living a life that's Christ Like.

Because like everyone else they carry some sort of emotional baggage unwilling to let go due to past hurts in life. It takes time for some people to be healed of their wounds.
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may I know what the living that's Christ like?
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Maturity in God's eyes is measured by humility. If your church leader is bossing around he's not mature.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 29 2014, 03:02 PM)
One thing that I do when I go to Church is to seek the Lord.

I don't go to Church looking at people, or even Pastors because I already know nobody is perfect.

In fact doing that may bring disappointments. When we have the right motive in going to Church, we will not be easily shaken by what we see.
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my Pastor said if we believe in Jesus so we will not judged in judgement day, we will go to heaven automatically. May I know what will we do after we are in Heaven other than praising and singing?
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QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 04:02 PM)
on the contrary i know very mature christians who act like jerks.

i used to have this crazy dictator christian boss who is very active at church.

nobody in our dept likes him. there was one time during teambuilding, he wanted to forced a pregnant colleague to go for the outward bound school training.

he is put on so much controls that nobody in the co liked him but when it came to his own indiscretions of cheating figures, he didn't mind closing one eye.

In the end, one of the managers in the company collected enough evidence to force out this christian boss. He was adamant to the end...he never admit he was cheating the figures.
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how do u label a christian , christian... im really puzzle... being active in church doesnt make one to be a very holy pious Christian..... please be dont be the rest of the people mentality im sure u could do better thinking both ends of the scenario .... the only person that knows if he is a true believer is between god and oneself...

stereotyping people going churches consider being a Christian is just plain sad.

QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 04:14 PM)
everyone have flaws lah but its the ones who bulldoze other people are the ones who i believe are the third type of christians.

they not necessary have to kill somebody to be a super ego. i have personally witnessed a pastor force my friend to give away her baby for adoption because the pastorial leadership didn't think she was capable of being a mother. She was 22 for goodness sakes ! Her boyfriend who impregnated her was a church worker there, he got sacked for that action of course. But the church forbade them both to get married and to try to give the baby a real family life.

if we dun have the right to say anything, then when ISMA and perkosa make comments, we just keep quiet, is that what you are saying?
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those are thief , using our lord name in vain and tarnishing it... those people bulldozing aren't christian to begain with... they are more likely to be lukewarm and lost their way being carnal..

they can kill someone spirit / mind (manipulation) we are on thin lines sadly in our country ... saying that its all racial harmoy and all but the underlying truth its turning very awful as years goes by.. we do have rights, but how many people would actually fight for the truth ? malaysia attitude always over shadow us man..

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ May 29 2014, 04:14 PM)
I was quite down recently, please holy spirit fulfill my life to worship you Jesus smile.gif
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if u can read psalms.. very good book to motivate ya spirit
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if u can read psalms.. very good book to motivate ya spirit
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I need to calm myself bro.I think I am more like Ayub where I am so down now. How to make holy spirit come to me every day?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ May 29 2014, 04:29 PM)
I need to calm myself bro.I think I am more like Ayub where I am so down now. How to make holy spirit come to me every day?
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of coz one own strength is nearly impossible to achieve it .... you will know the better rest if you seek him ... he is alwiz there for you waiting patiently every forgiving ...


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QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 29 2014, 04:02 PM)
on the contrary i know very mature christians who act like jerks.

i used to have this crazy dictator christian boss who is very active at church.

nobody in our dept likes him. there was one time during teambuilding, he wanted to forced a pregnant colleague to go for the outward bound school training.

he is put on so much controls that nobody in the co liked him but when it came to his own indiscretions of cheating figures, he didn't mind closing one eye.

In the end, one of the managers in the company collected enough evidence to force out this christian boss. He was adamant to the end...he never admit he was cheating the figures.
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I think you don't understand what I mean by spiritual maturity.

It has nothing to do with positions.

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